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« Reply #75 on: Feb 9th, 2009, 1:15pm »

Vijay - "What do you mean by Dr Ramnath is back in USA? She was sentenced to "six months imprisonment suspended for two years." Is she not already serving the sentence?"

The sentence is suspended for two years: ie: if she stays out of trouble and doesn't get arrested in the uk for ANY offence in the next two years, she will not have to go to prison. If she commits another crime in the UK, she will be sent to prison for 6 months. Hence why really the sentence is mere lip service as Dr Ramnath is back home in the States where the sentence does not apply to her, although the conviction may have bearing on her eligibility for a visa.

RB - the case of R v Ramnath is purely academic now as it is historical. People can argue that they dont believe the evidence showed x, y and z but the fact is that there was enough evidence to try Dr Ramnath for gross negligent manslaughter. The CPS would not have brought a prosecution if they did not consider the evidence would not have brought them a reasonable chance of obtaining a conviction.

For both legal and medical practitioners alike, however, the case does set a strong precedent for both professions. Out of this, let us hope that lessons can be learnt.

With regards to the tox reports, etc, these will have been held on the court file. Although considered "public documents", a person has to specifically request the documents and show grounding to retrieve them (as well as pay a fee). However, I fear that since a substantial period of time has now passed, there is the potential that these files will have been shredded as is custom in relation to file retention.

Once again, many thanks.

Thank you solicitor. - Vijay Mehta
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« Reply #76 on: Feb 9th, 2009, 2:23pm »

The message this sends out is to practice defensively. Do not take risks, and definitely stick with the "consensus view". Do not stick your neck out even though you may be sure that those around you may be incorrect or wrong. Just be "safe".

For the lawyers, who are not medically trained, I dont blame you for not truly understanding the dilemma and difficulties in this case. The coroner is not "all knowing", and even the pathologist is only giving his "opinion" of the facts. The case is most definitely in the grey area. Nobody will ever know what the patient ultimately died of.

We are breeding a generation of "defensive practitioners", to the great detriment of the patients.
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« Reply #77 on: Feb 9th, 2009, 2:28pm »

Now that it is all over, jury and judge has spoken and Dr. Ramnath (convicted) returns home. This may be over for many people but there are several issues that we as a society has to pay attention to.

1. Criminalizing medical practice in long run would be very detrimental. In every case where a medical practitioner is charged with manslaughter all the records should be published on internet for everyone to see and learn from it.

2. It may encourage a culture of cover up and discourage voluntary reporting of incidence because of the fear. In long run this may hamper medical progress.

3. Global Village: in Global economy if one nation takes much harsher view of medical errors compared to others it may influence the movement of physicians. Australia noted a significant decrease of supply of overseas physician after two Indian physician were ostracized.

4. Medical career is already a long and difficult road - a reason why western countries are not able to entice enough of local young men and women to the profession, and have to rely heavily on graduate from overseas schools. Now add the possibility that after all the hard work you may be defending your self against some large medical malpractice or criminal charges.

5. Medical practice is too complex. Just as in this case two prominent medical experts had opposite views on the cause of death. It is not uncommon in clinical practice for two well qualified physicians to disagree.

6. I think giving her a suspended sentence, the judge was fair to Dr. Ramnath in view of majority of jurors finding her guilty.

7. Bias based no race, religion or national origin is always a possibility. There is no way to judge if witness who go to the same church or have closer social identity may see things in different ways. While it may not be in this case but one has to accept this as a possibility.

8. I think all the overseas physicians in UK as well as those interested in long term integrity of medical care in UK need to use this incidence to develop definite guide lines and make sure enough protection exist for well meaning physicians who also make errors.

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I like to thank everyone specially the solicitor and D Grundy for their input.


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« Reply #78 on: Feb 19th, 2009, 02:30am »

I knew Priya; she was a warm and loving friend and devoted mother,wife and doctor.

I worked with her husband, who, long before all this happened, planned his move to the USA, so whatever people's opinions are about Priya's medical practice and general attitude to taking advice, please don't think she was in some way either running away, or devious in her return to America- I expect she wanted to be with her husband and children.I knew her eldest child- he was adorable, and 2 of my children are of a similar age- I can understand her children needing her near too.

It seems she made a mistake, a big mistake perhaps( I didn't know her at the time of the incident), but the trouble with the medical profession is that mistakes can have disastrous consequences. I think everyone( being human) has made mistakes at work.

I also really feel for the family of the lady who died- it must be hideously shocking to lose someone in this way.

I am concerned that ordinary people/society expects Drs to be perfect, in modern western society people go to the Dr expect a cure or fix for everything...but medicine is not all curing and Drs are real people.

I worked as a healthcare professional and often disagreed with colleagues- disciplines differ hugely in their approach- that is what forms rounded healthcare provision surely?


I wonder if this whole case is partly to do with society's expectations or society's litigiousness?

A saddening case all round.


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« Reply #79 on: Jun 5th, 2009, 3:00pm »

Just so that you are all aware, Priya Ramnath is now back in India as she was not granted entry back into America or allowed to stay here.
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« Reply #80 on: Jun 15th, 2009, 1:22pm »

I hope it is not true. why she would not she be allowed back in to USA? I don't know much about laws., Does not make sense. Is it reliable information? Is it because she got suspended sentence? Her husband is us citizen, probably does not matter if that's how law is !
Any how, I wish her and her family best. They have gone through a lot. They do need fresh start. There is no perfect place. Living anywhere USA or INDIA, there always would be some advnatages and some disadvantages. sd
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« Reply #81 on: Sep 4th, 2009, 05:31am »

Its really difficult to know what is real in this case, not having been right there and seen what has happened.

On one count, it would be terribly tragic to accuse someone who is a medical professional of killing a patient when I'm sure very few would ever have such intentions. Mistakes happen and can lead to dreadful consequences.
On the other hand, if strict laws are not applied, how would we control medical neglect which seem on the increase all the time?

Difficult fine line to be partial on.
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« Reply #82 on: Mar 12th, 2010, 2:44pm »

on Jun 5th, 2009, 3:00pm, Guest-NF wrote:
Just so that you are all aware, Priya Ramnath is now back in India as she was not granted entry back into America or allowed to stay here.


I doubt if that is true. Is she wanted to come here and practice back she would have been allowed to do so. If the Texas Medical Board felt after receiving the information from England they could hold a hearing to decide. The same way immigration can not simply cancel your visa but give you and opportunity to present your side of the story. I believe she felt with all the publicity she and her family may be better off and chose to go to India rather than forced to go.
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« Reply #83 on: Apr 28th, 2010, 9:55pm »

I know her very well.We lost in touch since she left Rockledge, Florida. I feel very sad about the whole thing.I hope they are doing ok now....
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