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Swadhyay -Untold Story - murder-fruad-deceits
Post by Violence in name of religion on Jun 17^th, 2006, 09:51am

"Es Khel mein him ho na ho garde sitare rahenge sada!"
Pankajbhai Trivedi was murdered burtally on 6/15/2006. His death sent a wake up call globally. A man of conviction Pankajbhai was bent upon exposing corruption and he was fully aware of the consequences. He chose to sacrifice his life. Let us hope his sacrifice shall not go in vein.

Pankajbai was a loyal Swadhayayee for decades and had contributed lacks of rupees. Dada used to call him "captain" .. all this changed when he dared to question financial mismanagement.

When Pankajbhai realized that Swadhyay had a different innercore than the outer wonderful organization. He started asking questions and appealing to authorities. This lead to threats and intimidation. Swadhyay responded by many cases filed against him in different location in Gujarat. High court threw all these out as nuisance suits and noted that Swadhyay abused judicial system to harrass him. Pankajbhai was going to continue his quest to expose the fraud.
That day Bharat Bhatt and Ghanshyam Chudasama decided to silence Pankajbhai for ever.
On the evening of June 15, 2006 eight Swadhyayees did the dirty job supported by Motabhai Bharat Bhatt. As the history will prove it - this was a big mistake. Pankajbhai's sacrifice sent a wake up call all over this world

Moment that shook the world and faith of thousands of Swadhyayees across the world:

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/13195/gujarat-nri-killed-parivar-suspect.html

Amadawad June 15 2006

Pankaj Trivedi was brutally murdered last night as he was returning from gym by four men. He was repeatedly hit by bats to death according to the eye witness.

Pankajbhai was a long time Swadhyay member.

Pankajbhai fell into disfavor by Swadhyay Privar, when he claimed that Swadhyay had collected more than 400 Crore rupees from USA and England for 2001 earthquake relief efforts and these funds were not used for that purpose.

Multiple cases were filed against him in different courts by Swadhyay. In about 20 cases high court had already ruled in his favor.

Pankajbhai had felt that his life was in danger and had requested protection from police. collector and chief minister but none was offered.

At this time police suspects that his murder is connected to this controversy. Did he pay the ultimate price to stand up for truth and justice?

Those of you who can read Gujarati can go to

and go to June 15, 2006 and June 17, 2006

Some articles in English

http://vmehta.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board=Religions&action=display&num=1141073979&start=0

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060618/48/654vi.html

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060618/48/655z7.html

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Abhiyan Cover Story July 1, 2006
Post by Dinesh Patel on Jun 17^th, 2006, 09:53am

Dear Vijaybhai,

I admire you for the noble work you have been doing relentlessly for the Indian community. Violence has no place in any religion and needs to be condemned by all members of the civilized society. It is a moral duty of all eductaed, intellctually honest people to make sure that the little or uneducated members of the society is not misguided and exploited in any organized religion. Please do all you can to make Indian community aware of this horrifying incident and urge people not to sway in emotions, BHAV but rather try to look at the FACT with an open mind.

Regards,
Dinesh

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Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Dinesh Patel on Jun 17^th, 2006, 09:57am

For those of you, who may not know Pankajbhai Trivedi, let me give you some background info. Pankajbhai was born and raised in Ahmedabad and associated with SWADHYAY for a very long time. He was a dedicated but alert and intelligent swadhyayi. When he saw swadhyay deviating from its original spiritual path, he could not keep it quiet and tried to stop the descent. Swadhyayis filed many cases against him in Gujarat High Court and he won them all. This was his fault, to fight for the truth.

Who is behind this brutal murder? We need full and fair investigation of Pankajbhai's murder and pray to Yogeshwar that his soul rest in peace in Heaven as he was fighting for the TRUTH, the "SAT", against corruption, Vyaktipuja and many other such deeds.

It is a sad moment for all religious people
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 17^th, 2006, 10:25am

I was shocked to hear the news about the murder of Pankajbhai Trivedi.

Any time a crime is committed under the name of religion or for mistaken reason of religion - the religion actually become weaker.

We would not know for some time as to who did it and what was the exact rationale behind it but let us hope that whether you show him as a trouble maker or as a man who stood for truth - we can all agree that resorting to violence to settle the score is WRONG.

May his soul rest in peace and God give strength to his family and friends to bear his loss.

There are others who have paid the price
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 17^th, 2006, 2:14pm

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British Citizen Vinoo Sachania went for a visit to India. On Jan 12th 2003 he was attacked by 4-6 men. First, at gun point he was blindfolded and taken to remote place and beaten. They fractured his both legs and arms and was seriously hurt. He underwent seven hours of emergency surgery.

Just like Pankajbhai Trivedi Vinoo Sachania also had questioned and criticised the alleged mismanagement of Swadhyay. Vinoo Sachania had notified the chief minister prior to this incidence, that his safety was at stake and inspite of that he suffered major injuries.

He also faxed chief minister, warning him that Pankajbhai was also at risk of same fate, but apparantly this did not save Panjakbhai Trivedi.

Other Swadhyayees who have been victims of violence are
1 Vinodbhai Sosani (Gajjar) 2. Satishbhai Patel 3. Haribhai Vaghasia 4. Industrialist Maehshbhai Shah 5. Rubhai Shah 6. Vinodbhai Viththalbhai Shah 7. Shankarbhai Thakkar 8. Satishbhai Rupani & his wife.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jun 17^th, 2006, 9:08pm

18/06/2006

It's very painful to bear the news of Pankajbhai's untimely death at the hands of the organisation supposed to make a man - a noble man and a society - a noble society for which we all laid our lives.

Since no action has been taken against previous attacks on Swadhyayees like Satish Rughani, Vinod Shah, Shankerbhai Thakkar, Hemrajbhai, Hitu Gandhi, Maheshbhai Shah etc. this murder might go un-punished. The faulth is of old Swadhyayees who do not have the courage to rise and press for punishment.

It is not only for fear of life, it is harassment by false police cases in rural India, intimidation and security of family members.

Probably the family members of Pankajbhai may also not press for going in to the roots of murder. The reasons would be same with one addition of time constraint for them.

My earnest appeal to the well placed and resourceful brothers and sisters would be to approach Homeland Securities of U.S.A. with whom a false complaint was lodged that Pankajbhai was associated with notorious Bin Laden. The Agency may please be persuaded to examine The Lady who is now in U.S.A. - who is behind the murder of Pankajbhai. I understand Pankajbhai was an U.S. citizen and probably a prime witness in investigation of false misleading letter forwarded to The Agency that Pankajbhai was a Bin Laden associate.

I have heard that some Swadhyayee U.S. doctor had made this false and mis-leading complaint to The Agency. He should also be examined by Homeland Securities.

Pankajbhai has been killed in India and the string puller is in U.S. now. Pankajbhai was an U.S. citizen. In all probabilities, The U.S. law may have the provision to try the accused of murder of an U.S. citizen in foreign land (India). So she must be examined and detained if there are sufficient grounds. If few of the vengeful Swadhyayees are examined there in U.S. by one or other U.S. citizens, the truth may come out. If not, at least it will prevent the vengeful Swadhyayees of U.S. from lodging futher complaints against one or other past dedicated Swadhyayee.

At the end, I once again appeal to the U.S. citizens to press for the investigation of Pankajbhai's murder through the U.S. investigating agencies. The appeals may also please be made to editors of various newspapers and magazines of U.S.

For a resident of India, it would be risky to engage private detectives for parallel investigation but an U.S. citizen, the risk of vengeful actions is minimal. Those who love Pankajbhai or abhor un-civilized killing and are resourceful should consider engaging private detectives and get the murder investigated.

I hope that my appeal will meet the right ears.

A Swadhyayee from India.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by An Observer on Jun 18^th, 2006, 1:16pm

If Swadhayay is indirectly (like Mafia or Don) is responsible for this brutal killing, it will be a dark day in its history and will be considered not fit for its purpose.
However, no one is guilty until proven and this also applies to Swadhaya. As of today - 18th June, the head of the Org. is in London & will be meeting the key workers tomorrow.
In India police will not solve this murder as the people in the high office normally are the pupets of the organizations who have muscle & wealth power.
As a result of this, the Indian press will not suceed either in getting to the truth of the matter or challenge openly the guilty.
My advise is that those who have families either in India or aborad should not become "Krantikaris" as after the death of the person the family pays the price. If you think about it, Mr Trivdi must be very bold to raise his head above the perapet & against the corrupt practicises in the organization but finally his family has paid the price becuase of his murder. Mr Sachania was very lucky to get away alive but his family went through a very difficulat time, as I understand.
So stop being "veers & Krantikaris & emotional fools about the Org and let the people like Judge Kaka, Hemraj, Mr Gandhi etc come forward and fight this game in the name of Krishan who made this play devine!
In my view they are the ultimate people responsible for proping up this ogrganization and they must pay the price and not the ordinary Swadhayees.
Why are they hiding and not coming forward?

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 18^th, 2006, 6:37pm

There is obviously a pattern of behavior that is happening here. What I don't understand is how the Swadhyay spin doctors are able to repeatedly absolve the swadhyay leadership of any blame by using such guileless tactics as characteric defamation. I hear that they are now claiming that Pankaj Trivedi had a "gambling problem" and was targeted by gangsters to whom he owed money. How ridiculous can you get?

I also think it is interesting that the leader of the movement decides to inexplicably extend her stay in the US for an extra week.....

Gotada no Swa - Adhyay
Post by Guest on Jun 19^th, 2006, 10:22pm

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Crores rupees swindled away from Earthquake funds
Crores rupees swindled under the name of Yogeswar Krushi
Dada was held hostage during his last few months of life by Didi

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Human on Jun 20^th, 2006, 2:35pm

I have lost all my faith in Swadhyay and Dada. I never paid any attention to Didi as I knew she just inherited the GADI without any merits or qualities.

Its you who have failed to understand this CHEATING on the name of GOD.

How much changes come by this swadhyay....A LOT, a free thinking god loving human being is transfromed in to a BLIND FOLLOWER and is exploited on the name of GOD. SWADHYAY tranfroms a NAR (Man) into NARADHAM (DEVIL).

I DONT EVEN FEEL PITY FOR BLIND FOLLOWERS LIKE YOU AS IT IS A BETRAYL TO GOD WHO GAVE YOU A LITTLE BRAIN TO USE.

The fact is Swadhyay' Garage is full of those vehilces like yourself which are abused, used and exploited but no one tries to repair it, because once it is repaired, I mean self-awakening, you will realize that SWADHYAY is a BIG FRAUD. SWADHYAY will only exploit you, but never repair you.

I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THIS CHEATING CALLED SWADHYAY AND I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT DADA HAS CHEATED ALL OF US FOR DECADES FOR HIS SELFISH MOTIVES AND HANDED OVER THE GADI TO THAT JADI.

YOU ARE A LIVING PROOF OF HOW POWERFUL BRAINWASHING CAN BE...JSUT READ YOUR COMMENTS, " Whatever negative things are there about DIDI in www.sawadhyayee.org , that may be absuletly wrong. If it may true, people dont care about it...."

ONLY BRAINDEAD BLIND FOLLOWERS ACCEPT DIDI. GOD NEVER WANTED GADI-PRATHS ESTABLISHMENT IN FIRST PLACE AND THAT IS WHY DADA HAD NO KIDS. DADA CHALLANGED GOD BY ADOPTING DIDI SO THAT HE CAN ESTBLISH GADI-PRATHA. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN NOT DEFEAT ALIGHTY GOD. GOD DID NOT GAVE ANY KIDS TO DIDI. NOW WHAT? SHE WILL WALK IN HER FATHER'S FOOTSTEPS AND ADOPT HIS NEPHEW AND HAND OVER THE GADI TO HIM.

YOU SAY, "Still I never lost anything by swadhyay....only got......" WAKE UP DEVIPUJAK, USE YOUR LITTLE BARIN FOR A CHNAGE. YOU LOST EVERYTHING MY FRIEND, YOU LOST YOUR SELF-CONFIDENCE, YOU LOST YOUR ABILITY TO THINK INDEPENDENTLY AND FREELY, YOU LOST SIGHT OF GOD AND NOW CONCENTRATING ON ATHALE FAMILY AND YOU HAVE BECOME WORSHIPER OF ATHVALE FAMILY. YOU HAVE LOST YOUR IDENTITY AS A BHAKT. THEY ARE NOW CONTROLLING YOUR FREE WILL AND USING YOU IN THEIR PROPAGANDA AND MARKETING.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Swadhyayi on Jun 21^st, 2006, 05:35am

Dear Devipujak,

Jay Yogeshwar.

Please don't waste your time with this idiots. If you are part of Swadhyay - feel free to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Swadhyay

These idiots don't deserve our time. Let them rot here.

Problem with these anti-Swadhyay idiots is that since they know how good Swadhyay is and that's why they can not go and join other alternates like Asharam Bapu, Swaminaryan etc. but at the same time they do not have intellect to understand that Swadhyay work is not going to run according to their whims and fancies.

To all Anti-Swadhyay folks:

Listen to this simple advice. If you think there is anything legal wrong - go and bang your head with police / court.

If you think you are smarter than Swadhyay - then first do something positive in the society and then try to teach us what is right and what is wrong. You idiots have no guts to do anything positive but all the time in the world to sing and dance to say this is not right, that is not right etc.

If you like Swadhyay, you come to Swadhyay. If you don't like Swadhyay - our exit door are always open for you to walk out.

Dear Swadhyyee

Can someone be a devout Swadhyayee and be against any fraud, deceit, violence and murder?

Can a good Swadhyayee be sad and mad about the brutal murder of Pankajbhai Trivedi, who was a devout memebr since 1972 and said to have contributed nearly 1.5 Lakh rupees ?

Can someone be a jagrut Swadhyayee who is willing to question not because he/she hates Swadhyay but because Swadhyay is so important to him or her.

I agree that we should not rush to judgement as to who was behind such a heinous act of barbarism and let the police do the job.

But at the same time the questions being raised by Pankajbhai about the accounting of funds raised for earthquake victims are valid ones - dont you agree?

No one has to rot here. People are expressing their views and concerns (right or wrong)

Frankly, I personally know many Swadhyayee for whom I have nothing but utter respect and admiration. But does that mean we keep our eyes closed and mouth shut where there is a pattern of violence against anyone who has questioned the current leadership?

Thank you.

Vijay Mehta

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Guest on Jun 21^st, 2006, 09:00am

Once again Swadhyay parivar is in news, not for any achievement but for a murder. It is a rule of nature that once a given religious sect gets stronger, the decay starts. Hindu relition is full of sects started by someone who finds imprefection in the way it is being preached or practised. So he takes the basic principles and adds few of his own and starts a new Sampraday.

Once the visionary leader is disabled or dies the followers do not have the same capacity. Simply being installed as a leader does not give one a capacity to lead the group. If it was possible to rule the world with sticks and guns then we could get dictators and gundas to run the Sampradays. However, leading the sampraday requires service without expectation and leadership by example. Respect can not be demanded but it is commanded. When we start worshiping a person and not the quality, it is the beginning of the end.
So all that remains is a large group of followres with no direction. These people may even commit crime at the behest of the leaders. And thus startd the downfall of Sampraday.
In organization such as this no dissent is tolerated. If any devotee dares to qustion for the sake of truth he is silenced by hook or crook. Pankaj Trivedi decided to follow the path of seeking the truth and the establishment did not tolerate the dissent.

Excellent article in Gujarati.

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060621/guj/supplement/leader.html[url][/url]

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Where are the 4523 Houses?
Post by Guest on Jun 21^st, 2006, 1:06pm

SWADHYAY PARIVAR DID NOT BUILD ANY HOUSES IN BHUJ. WHERE DID THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COLLECTED FROM FOLLOWERS GO huh

?

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060621/guj/gujarat/news12.html

huh

Where is the house?
Where are the houses?
Where are the 4523 Houses??

- Vijay Mehta

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Honerable Diwan did the honerable thing
Post by Guest on Jun 21^st, 2006, 2:46pm

In his resignation letter, Justice B.J. Diwan said, " SWADHYAY PARIVAR IS demonstrating " high living and plain thinking" instead of its original claim of " plain living and high thinking".

How true!

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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by NRI Swadhyayee on Jun 21^st, 2006, 8:25pm

To: Davi Jujak Yuwan,
I like your statements about your nighbours, community and changes in your life. I am a regular swadhyayee since last 15 years. You must keep faith and stay focused on the main priciples of swadhyay and always recite and focus on "Krishnam Vande Jagad Guru" until we meet our spiritual Goals.
For most of us Dada was our initial teacher and we are grateful for his efforts and actions. We do not know his past and initial motives but his actions lead us to a better understandings of Vedic dharma.
Since last several years I have read about the several painful incidents in swadhyay parivar. I knew that some main dedicated and honest workers like (Hemrajbhai, Radasbhai, Justice Diwan etc) left or were kicked out from swadhyay parivar trusts. I do not know why?
It is also fact that there were some violance and some X-swadhyees were badly injured. I am also confused why Dada did not stop such actions! May be he did not know or no one told him.
I am also concerned that improper use of swadhyay money funds or bad accounting may cuase a big blow to our parivar trust and faith! I do not know why swadhyay trusts should collect and keep large amount of money? Why Didi should travel lavish! After all we have to think and live with our common swadhyayees....
Well, these are my concerns but I am sure Lord Yogeshwar will help us and will give us a leader to clear the problems.
I just hope Mr. Trivedi's musrder will be investigated and will help to clear swadhyay parivar...

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by SWADHYAYEE from CANADA on Jun 21^st, 2006, 9:20pm

Swadhyay Spin - Bheekh and Bhav
Post by Swadhyayi on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 02:59am

Dear Vijay,

Let's get one fact clear. No one likes murder of Pankaj Trivedi - whether you are in Swadhyay or not in Swadhyay. However, if it is not proven that Didi or Swadhyay Parivar as an organization is behind this. Until the time the truth is out and proven in the court - one should keep mouth shut and let police do their job.

Yes - someone can be Jagrut Swadhyay because Swadhyay is so important to him/her. However, the method employed by M/s Pankaj Trivedi & few dozen others is not acceptable simply becasue it is illogical for them to expect that Swadhyay Parivar be run according to their whims and fancies. Everyone is entitled to express their view about Parivar matters (like all of us do) but if someone goes out of Parivar and then tries to destroy the Parivar, then he/she is not acceptable.

Pankaj Trivedi is on record to say that "I have seen a Dedh-Garoli falling in Doodh-Pak and it is my responsibility to spill this Doodh-Pak". Well - my question to such thinking is - (a) first of all there is no proof of any wrong doing - if there is any proof then prove it in the court and (b) why don't you go and create a better 'doodh-pak' and show us how better / smarter you are.

It is very easy to jump up and down to say this is wrong, that is wrong but difficult to do positive work over long period.

This is not to suggest - everything is perfect in Swadhyay. At the end of the day - we all human beings are imperfect. I myself think there are few things in Pariar which I think we can do better and I have expressed my feelings at all level. But I am not out to destroy Parivar. It is very easy to destroy something but difficult to build what Puj. Dadaji did painstakingly over last 50+ years.

As for accounting related issues - all trust funds are audited and returns are filed with Charity Commissioner (which anyone can obtain and see for him/herself). If there is anything legally wrong - complained should be filed with relevant authorities, proper investigations should be carried out and guilty be punished.

Compalints regarding misuse of Earthquake fund has been made in the past also, Charity Commissioner carried out invesitgations and nothing wrong was found.

To recycle same allegations again and again after 5 years does not make sense and suggest malise on the part of people doing so.

Swadhyay is the one of the few NGO in India that works despite never soliciting any kind of fund / donation. One can not donate ("Daan") to Swadhyay. However, if someone comes to Swadhyay for at least six months, understand Swadhyay philosophy and wants to contribute as his/her "Bhagwan No Bhaag" - he is welcome to contribute with clear understanding that this is "Bhaav-Samarpan" and not donation. There are plenty of other places in Society where one can donate.

Puj. Dadaji lived his life along the principle of "Ayachak vrat" (not to ask for help) and he has distilled same philosophy in all comunities and villages where Swadhyay work has taken its root. At the risk of sounding arrogant, let me say, other than Swadhay all NGOs need to ask for "Bheekh" (begging) to get their work going whereas Swadhyay never asks for any money.

So why the hell this noise about money?

Puj. Dadaji told again and again that Swadhyay is about relationship and it is about developing our mind, soul and brain. But sorry to say that despite this some people still forget that.

I don't think anyone is asking to keep your eyes shut. In fact one should keep his/her eyes wide open and decide what is right and what is wrong.

Once again let me repeat what I said - if you like Swadhyay you are welcome and if you don't like Swadhyay you are free to leave. If there is anything legally wrong - please raise with relevant authorities.

At the end of the day - Swadhyay will continue if and only if it follows the path laid down by Pujya Dadaji.

Everyone is important in Swadhyay Karya as it is a "Yagna" and yet no individual is indispensible in Swadhyay Karya.

You make some very good points.
No one should jump to conclusion as to who is behind the tragic murder of Panjakbhai.
I think it is better to work within the system to change it as much as possible.
Pankajbhai's murder has suddenly brought lime light to Swadhyay and I am sure it will lead to more transparent accounting.
Pankajbhai anticipated the violent end and he wrote to as many people as he could to forwarn them. He was not the only one but there are ten more people who have been victims of violence, including Vinoo Sachania. Only thing common among all these is .. they were very active swadhyay members few years ago and now they are questioning the operations of Swadhyay. Can this be just a co incidence?
I disagree with you about the Bheekh and Bhav concept. If you ask for donation to help earthquake victims that is not Bheekh or begging. I think you are using Bhav and Bheekh to justify the fact that you do not have to account for what happens to money.
Whether it is Bhav or Bheekh most prudent thing to do is to be transparent about where funds were used.
When parivar accumulates wealth does it belong to the masses or is it property of few in charge?

- Vijay Mehta

More spin from SP
Post by Swadhyayi on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 03:09am

Dear A-Swadhyayee from Canada,

Let me share some wisdom with you:

1. Incidents of beating up - there were 3 or 4 incidents happened. It has never been proved that Swadhyay Parivar was behind this. So keep your mouth shut until it is proved, OK?

2. Didi has been active in Swadhyay since 1980s and has not appeared overnight in Karya. If you don't know this - it shows that either you were not in Swadhyay or new in Swadhyay.

3. 100+ trusts - can you name all the trusts? What nonsense you are talking about?

4. Old Swadhyayees who were 25 to 45 years old in Karya and left - for every such person who left, I can name 20 or more who are in karya for equal long time and still there. So what's your point?

5. Giving Dada benefit of doubt etc. - I have simple suggestion for you. If you do not have trust or faith in Puj. Dada, do not go to Swadhyay. It is as simple as that. You are simply wasting your time. Go and join a Bhajan Mandali in your area - sorry to say this but Swadhyay is not for you.

On June 21st 9.20 PM Swadhyayi from Canada wrote...
"A Guru SHOULD BE JUDGED BY HIS ACTIONS AND NOT WORDS.

Yes, it is true that the incidents of beating up some swadhyayees happened in Dada's life time.

Yes, it is true that Dada kept followes in Dark and did not reveal his intention of GADI PRATHA establishment until later stage of his life.

Yes, it is true that Dada did not do anything to stop some nuisances like Vyaktipuja. Now parivar is indulging in to Vanshpuja...what a shame!

yes, it si true that Dada himself establsihed over 100 trusts and continued accumulating money in them and did not spend for human-upliftment.

Yes, it is true that almost all of the old swadhyayees, who spent anywhere between 25 to 45 years in SWADHYAY left swadhyay when Dada was alive but for Dada nothing was more important than his daughter,

MOST OF THE gurus LOVE TO BECOME GOD but refuse to become a true GURU.

I would love to give Dada a benefit of doubt, but looking at the facts I am helpless. "

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Independent Observer on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 7:44pm

I see a stiriking difference in posts by Didi-swadhyayi and people who question them and in all honesty, some of the the Didi swadhyayis are using very abusive language. This shows how any sampraday transforms an open minded person into an intolerant and blind follower. This is true for any sampraday in any religion.

Are you older than Vijaybhai and that is why started with "Vijay" and not "Vijaybhai"? Or you are simply mad at him because he started this thread?

Lets look at some of the comments "Swadhyayi" recently made on this forum. He stated and I quote, " However, the method employed by M/s Pankaj Trivedi & few dozen others is not acceptable simply becasue it is illogical for them to expect that Swadhyay Parivar be run according to their whims and fancies. "

So what he is saying is that any one who question or oppose something, by his absurd definiton becomes illogical and blind followers like him label it as "whims" and "Fancies". It is very clear to me who is illogical here. The fact is swadhyay does not allow any criticism or any questions. If you are not ready to become a blind follower, you do not belong in swadhyay.

His second argument for Pankajbhai goes like this: ") why don't you go and create a better 'doodh-pak' and show us how better / smarter you are." This person Swadhyayi seems to deliberately raise such stupid issues. As per his definition, if you are not a GURU or a LEADER, you can not question anything.

He also brags about "positive work" but the question is can he name few villages where the education level or standard of living of people has gone up due to swadhyay?

Can he tell us how mnay trusts swadhyay has and who are the trustees and how many crores of ruppes are there in these trusts collecting interest year after year?

He also stated that there are some things in swadhyay that he doesn't like. I hope he is talking about vyakti-puja, Vansh-puja, wealth accumulation, violent attacks, BRAINWASHING, MANIPULATION to name a few.

Can you tell us what percentage of earthquake donation was in fact used to provide raw materials to victims? Can you tell us IF swadhyay "BUILD" any houses for the earthquake victims? Why DAY's balance was up about 3 million US dollars in the year 2002, which is very unusual compared to previous years?

Can you tell why DAY stopped filing with I.R.S. after 2002?

Can you tell the current cash on hand DAY has?

He also talks about " BHAV-SAMARPAN" which is the same as donation ( by the way if you notice, swadhyay has always used very heavy words like " ASHMITA-JAGRUTI", "HUMAN-UPLIFTMENT", " APOURUSH-LAXMI (impersonal wealth", "BHAV-VRUDHDHI", " BHAV-FERI", "BHAKTI-FERI"(Pure marketing) to attract people and pull the crowd in. Once you are in, you are expected to do what they say, you are not allowed to ask any questions or oppose anything. The minute you do, they stop seeing "GOD" within you and start behaving in the same manner as this "Swadhyayi" is behaving.

Also they stop seeing "GOD" within you as soon as a new swadhyay kendra is established in your area as now they need to go somewhere else for marketing.

I know swadhayayis spend their own money when they go for "BHAV-FERI" (Marketing trip). Is this also true for DIDI? Who is paying for her first class trips all over the world every year?

He also stated arogantly, "other than Swadhay all NGOs need to ask for "Bheekh" (begging) to get their work going whereas Swadhyay never asks for any money."

Well this may be true, but the real question is what happens to this money? If money collected by bagging is used for needy people, it is indeed a noble humanatarian work. On the other hand, if money collected as " BAHV-SAMARPAN" ( I can't stop laughing at these words, sorry swadhyayi) is not used for the intended cause, it is cheating with the people.

Now I warn everybody to tighten your belts, BUCKLE UP as this is going to get very ugly if few of his posts are any indication. He seems to have extremely low tolerance for the truth.

India Tribune Article
Post by Texan Here on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 9:39pm

India Tribue has a detailed article on Pankajbhai trivedi's murder case titled "PARIVAR TOP BOSSES SUSPECTED." Aug 6, 2006

From News Dispatches Ahmedabad: A Non-Resident Indian of Ohio was murdered by four unidentified persons on June 15 evening just outside a club, police said. The victim identified as Pankaj Trivedi (43) was clubbed to death by the four assailants just after he stepped outside the Ellisbride Gymkhana, police said. Officials said that the watchman of the club could have witnessed the incident, as it was he who had raised an alarm about the attack. Police is on the lookout for the assailants and are probing the reasons behind the murder.

Officials said that preliminary probe revealed that the victim was a resident of the United States and was in town recently. �The victim had also feared for his life from some persons of a powerful religious sect. We are investigating the matter�, an official said. Meanwhile, on June 19, even four days after Pankaj Trivedi was murdered, the police were still groping in the dark. Seemingly restrained by the influence of the socio-spiritual organization involved, investigations seem to be going at a tardy pace and have been transferred to the CID (crime).

Now the focus is on five persons named by Trivedi in letters found from his car, but none has been questioned so far. According to police sources, Trivedi had written letters to the President, the Chief Minister, the State Home Minister, the director general of police and the Ahmedabad police commissioner, indicating that his life was under threat. �If any of my family members or myself is hurt or murdered, then the following people should be questioned,� wrote Trivedi in his letter to the President on November 10, 2005.

He named Dhanshree Talwalkar, alias �Didi�, Bharat Bhatt, a parivar member, Dhiren Joshi, Prashant Rawal, a retired sessions judge, and Manish Shaushali, a resident of Rajkot. �We have information that Trivedi in his letter to the President accused five persons, including Dhanshree Talwalkar alias Didi.

We would be interrogating the deceased�s family members, and action would be taken against anyone whose name would emerge,� said Ellisbridge police inspector, N.K. Rathod. When asked about the letters deputy commissioner of police (zone 1) A.K. Jadeja said, �We have not questioned anyone accused in the letters since the case is being investigated by the CID crime. However, we are investigating involvement of professional killers hired to murder Trivedi.� Preliminary post-mortem reports indicated that Trivedi was attacked thrice with a hard blunt weapon in the head.

Meanwhile, the cell phone number found in Trivedi�s car is from Jamnagar. Trivedi�s family members are to arrive in Ahmedabad soon for his funeral. �We would also be taking their statements and ask whether they suspect anyone,� Jadeja said.

Jagdish Shah, a close friend of Trivedi said on June 17 that even he has been receiving threat calls. �I had got three calls on my cell phones and two more on my land line numbers. The person on the line threatened me to be prepared for dire consequences,� says Shah. Shah has also applied for police protection at the Satellite police station. One more person, Pradeep Shah, associated with the organization, has also sought police protection.

Trivedi had also written a letter to the Resident Agent In-charge of US Secret Service based in Dayton, Ohio, seeking protection for himself and his family and addressed to Todd R. Bagby. Trivedi wrote: ��Seeking appropriate protection for me and my family from the leader and fanatic followers of �Devotional Association of Yogeshwar� also known as �Swadhyay�, whose unethical and illegal activities I have exposed.

The head of the organization is Jayashree Talwalkar a.k.a Didi.�� Trivedi further wrote: �On April 1, 2006, outside the Newark airport in New Jersey, four unknown people threatened me and asked me to stop all my activities related to exposing the unethical work of �Swadhyay� organization. This is one of the several incidents that myself and my family have faced in the US and India ever since I started asking questions openly about the motives and financial activities of this organization.� Claiming that he was also being falsely implicated, Trivedi wrote: �My biggest concern is that they have become so desperate now that the media has started to take notice of their unethical work that they might fabricate evidence against me and my family.

�One such incident happened last week. They had falsely written a letter to an unknown person under my name claiming that I had intentions of hurting President George Bush. Rightfully, concerned, Secret Service agents investigated me. While I gave you my full cooperation since I didn�t write that letter and have absolutely no political interest anywhere, my concern is that Didi and her followers are so powerful and well-connected that they will continue to do such things to harass me.

� Trivedi claimed in his letter that he was associated with the Swadhyay Parivar since 1972. �At that time, the main objective was to spread the philosophical aspect of Hindu religion.

However, over the last five years, I found the organization has been collecting millions of dollars and not a penny spent on the cause for which the money was collected.

When I started asking questions, I was harassed,� Trivedi wrote, adding that �During my investigations I found: � * After 2001 Gujarat earthquake, Devotional Association of Yogeshwar collected about $4.2 million from people in the US. The founder�s niece claimed that they have built around 40,000 houses for the earthquake victims, but a UN report suggests that only about 10 per cent of the money collected was spent. * In the UK, the organization had collected about 310,097 pounds for that cause but only about 10 per cent of it was transferred to India. I have a letter from the government of Gujarat that this organization has not built any houses and have no �MoU� with it. *

They have forcefully closed �Bhavnigar Temple� in Ahmedabad, claiming that it is a property of the trust. However, the money to build temple was collected from people and government. I have registered a legal case against them to reopen the temple, in Ahmedabad Civil Sessions Division Court and the case No. is 567/ 2002. *

There are several complaints against me in various courts in Gujarat. On March 8, 2006, the High Court of Gujarat threw away all the cases against me and asked the followers to stop harassing me. �If anything happens to me or my family in India or the USA, Jayshree Talwalkar (aka Didi), her husband Niwas Talwalkar and their followers are responsible for that,� Trivedi wrote in the letter.

On June 16, a close friend of Trivedi, Jagdish Shah, said: �I am aware of that letter. Pankajbhai had spoken to me in that regard.� �Two months back, an attempt was made to attack Trivedi in Gondal. He had lodged a complaint with the police there,� Shah said. According to Shah, �Pankajbhai had also informed the Chief Minister Narendra Modi, Minister of State for Home Amit Shah and Law Minister Ashok Bhatt about the irregularities done by Swadhyay members in using foreign funds for the earthquake. He had also expressed fear that he and his family are facing threat to life.� Swadhyay members could not be contacted despite repeated attempts. Meanwhile, the police are clueless about the absconding accused. Police said that while they were investigating the rivalry angle in Swadhyay, nobody had lodged a complaint in this regard. �So we are keeping the investigation open,� police said.

This is India Tribune article from August 2006. Since than we have Bharat Bhatt, Ghanshayam Chudasama and several others long time Swadhyayees are charged with murder of Pankajbhai. This crime was not committed for any personal gain but on behalf of Swadhyay. NRI Swadhyayees are lost as to why such things happen under the name of religion? Didi might get an oppertunity to explain to us during her upcoming visit to Chicago. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 9:59pm

First a motabhai says he took sleeping pills, but then admits to talking to Didi 15-30 minutes after the murder? How the hell did he find out so fast and what the hell is going on here?

Trying to have an open dialogue with other swadhyayis in my area has been tremendously frustrating.... conversations repeat like broken records.... "Nobody's grief was more than Didi's grief"......Swadhyay is like a garage w/ all types of cars".... "Pankaj Trivedi had gambling problems, that's why he was killed" ...... When did we stop thinking for ourselves and start regurgitating word for word everything we hear from our motabhais?

What disturbs me the most is that there is an underlying tacit belief that all the opponents of Swadhyay actually deserved what they had coming to them? Including murder!

Swadhyayi...I think that if we have faith in our organization, we have got to be more open to criticism, especially from an intellectual viewpoint. We have to stop attacking and questioning the committment of those that dare to question. Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean you don't care...

Pankaj Trivedi apparently had legitimate evidence suggesting monetary fraud within the organization. does anyone out there have any idea what he was driving at? We should all examine this further instead of pushing it under the rug...

Vijay...simply throwing out words like Gadi Prada, etc doesn't really make you sound very intelligent, in fact, it makes you sound like a fanatic.....let's cut the crap and start having a real debate...

I think the real question here is....if you enjoy and benefit from what a religious organization has to offer, but disagree with the leadership and way things are run, are you doing yourself and your soul a disservice by still being associated with it? Think about this in a context outside of Swadhyay....The Roman Catholic church has murdered hundreds and thousands (for an example, look up the Spanish Inquisition) and had priests molesting young boys, but yet provides millions of people with moral direction and solace....

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by You better believe it on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 10:17pm

I believe there is a big difference between "spirituality" and " DHARMIKTA". If you study Hindu religion, you will notice that Sampradays do not nurture true YOGIS or SADHAKS. For example, Narsimh Mehta, Mirabai, Eknath, Tukaram, etc etc were successsful in their spiritual jorney and what is common between them all? They did not belong to any sampradaya.

Now this is not a mere coincident. The enviroment in sampradays is filled with all the nuisances such as GADI-PRATHA, VYAKTI-PUJA, VANSH-PUJA, MONEY, POWER, VIOLENCE etc. This is why it is extremely diffcult, I would say almost impossible to achieve GOD in an organized religion.

Mr. Unbelievable seems to be OK with GADI-PRATHA but the real problem with GADI-PRATHA is that merits, credentials are not required to inherit the GADI. The followers automatically become puppet of whoever inherit the GADI and instead of worshiping GOD, blind followers start worshiping GURU and his FAMILY. Instead of developing virtues, they develope BLIND FAITH.

Is this spirituality all about? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

This is a very important issue and we can discuss it some other time.

Vyakti Puja
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 10:34pm

Never said I was a supporter of Gadi pooja, vyakti pooja, etc.....

Vivekananda was a great soul...guess what? he had a guru, as did many others.... enlightenment without assistance is unbelievably rare...some that did it are now worshipped...Jesus, Mahavir, Buddha...

The need for organized religion is an age old debate which I can guarantee you has no chance of being resolved in this forum...

Vijay...if you are on your way to enlightenment, more power to you....though the amount of time you spend on the computer knocking Swadhyay doesn't really jive w/ truth seeking...

Guru's are very important but there is a difference between Guru and Govind. The former is a human being who may not be perfect in every which way. While Govind is perfect one.

I disagree with you, I have not knocked Swadhyay. As a matter of fact I am impressed with hundreds of Swadhyayees I know personally, including Sudhaben Aassar, who passed away a year ago. I have met so many young men and women in this country whose solid character has lot do to with Swadhyay.

The issue to me is what Pankajbhai died for. Do people have right to expect that a Bhav given with the intention of helping earthquake victims is used for that purpose?

Back in 2001 Red Cross collected lot more funds for 911 victims then they needed (they did not go begging for it, but people voluntarily donated) When I sent my check they returned stating that they no longer needed funds for 911, rather than using it for any other purpose.

Thank you. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by You better believe it on Jun 22^nd, 2006, 10:49pm

Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jun 23^rd, 2006, 2:41pm

June 22, 2006

Will You Help Pankaj Trivedi who is killed in India?

In short, what Pandurang Shashtri Athavale collected as donations in the name of God for spread of thoughts of Srimad Bhagwad Geeta was not utilised for the purpose. These donations in the form of securities and bank investments amounted to Rupees two hundred crores. Further, the flow of donations in crores of rupees used to come regularly.

What was considered to be Devdravya was treated as personal wealth of Pandurang Shashtri during the last days of his life. He removed all neutral nearly 70 trustees from about 100 charitable trusts formed by him. His adopted daughter Jayshree Talwalkar and her husband were replaced as trustees which gave full control of The Devdravya to them.

This was objected by devoted followers who had laid their lives for strengthening of the movement or organisation. Further, the trusts had property worth Rupees five hundred crores. Donations worth nearly Rupees 400 crores were collected from NRIs of U.S. and U.K. for constructing houses for earth quake effected people but the same was not utilised for the purpose but was pocketed.

NRI Pankaj Trivedi started asking for accounts of Earth Quake Relief funds. He further filed an application before appropriate Indian Court for throwing open a temple (Bhav Nirjar) for members of public which was closed by Jayshree Talwalkar.

In retaliation, Pankaj Trivedi and other dedicated Swadhyayees were attacked and assaulted at the hands of ignorant new Swadhyayees. such actions gave bad name to the organisation. So number of false criminal cases under various Indian Penal Code sections were filed against Pankaj Trivedi and old dedicated Swadhyayees in rural India. The strategy was to compel these people to come to rural India where they would be killed by mobs. For the malice purpose, utter false inciting stories were fed to the masses.

Pankaj Trivedi filed writ petition against 22 identical cases and The High Court at Ahmedabad, India ruled that all the cases were fabricated and The Court observed that the language of all complaints by different ignorant Swadhyayees were word to word matching in 22 cases filed miles away to each other. The High Court at Ahmedabad quashed all the criminal complaints against Pankaj Trivedi and other old dedicated Swadhyayees at one go. The other side approached to The Supreme Court of India who also dismissed all the complaints, sealing doors for malicious desires of complainants to send Pankaj Trivedi and other dedicated old Swadhyayees to jail.

Pankaj Trivedi has been killed on 15th Night at Ahmedabad in India. According to a local news-paper Pankaj Trivedi had donated Rupees one and half crore to Pandurang Shashtri.

Indians who will fight for the cause of getting the murderers punished might meet the same fate. False criminal cases will also be filed against them which empower corrupt police officials to arrest and hammer them in lock-ups also make them vulnerable for fatal assaults at the hands of mobs. The slow judiciary cost heavy against whom the cases are filed and finish them financially.

Pankaj Trivedi when came to U.S. about three months ago had to face the grilling by Home Security Agency as a letter in Urdu with his photo along with the photo of Bin Laden was forwarded to Home Security Agency stating that Pankaj Trivedi was a threat to The President of U.S.A. He was found to be innocent and The Home Security Agency was to go in detail of the fabricated letter with false information about Pankaj Trivedi. Pankaj Trivedi would have been prime witness in un-earthing of this fraud.

He should have been killed by his enemies to protect themselves from legal actions of not utilising donations for the purpose and forwarding a fabricated letter to Home Security Agency.

May I urge the NRIs to give enough publicity and persuade Home Security to investigate and find out the persons behind The Urdu letter who are most likely killers of Pankaj Trivedi.

Let's do some justice to a brave and noble man who invited his death for a cause of justice.

A Swadhyayee.

Post Pankajbhai Strategy
Post by An Observer on Jun 25^th, 2006, 1:55pm

This plot reminds me of a novel: The Murder, She wrote.......
As I know, matters published in the news papers or magazines like "Arpar", "Chitralekha" etc is seen by this Organization as news of the day. Next day the new story shows up and the newspaper/Megazine becomes nothing but rubbish to be used by the shopkeeper to wrap things.

Nothing much is acieved........except for a publicity for the day and the story will be forgotten.

OK, so should this Organization be allowed to remain in its presnt form? I think not.

The Swadhyay will take a great relief now that Mr Trivedi has been brutly removed from the scene. By such a brutal killing 'Didi' has sent a message to others that 'she' is inviciable and that another Trivedi is not born to challenge her corrupt & autocratic power. If there were to be another Trevidi, 'she' can finish him too.

Now, what next?

To be sucessful, there must be a stratagy. I do not know whether Ms Trivedi & others have any 'post' event (after murder) strategy to make J Talwalker realise that she is wrong.

I have a 5 poiint plan:

(1) Hire a professional Barister of excellent high reputation from Delhi/Culcutta (as I am not sure whether Mumbai has any such lawyers!- sorry Mumbai) and obtain a 'stay order' on all the Trusts & finances on Pariwar until the matter is resolved to its ownership i.e. - the ulitmate communities from where it came from.

(2) Take messages to all the villages & towns where this Pariwar has centers. Educate the people that: yes go to the centeres but do not take part in any activities which generates wealth in the name of GOD. God does not need wealth. Because Bhagvat Gits says that: everything in this Universer belongs to me i..e Krishna & not to us. This is why when we die, we go empty handed! Make them realise that this is a business in the name of God & they are palying with your own emotions (as we Gujus are emotional fools!). Their time & money spent for this Priwar will not help their families and there is no justification when done by neglecting the families.

(3) Educate them that they do not let anyone misuse their trust and that to treat this Pariwar, an Organization. Your true Pariwar is your own family. In this Pariwar, you are needed so long as you are able to toil on their agriculture fields or do 'Bhav Pheris' and give your money. To justify this argument, devise a test formula & let me test this out for themselves. For examle, suggest that they ask a question to the "head" (so called Motabhai) about the finances and check for the reaction and after effect! Ask for a finance loan! and see what happens. Ask for transperency.

(4) Educate them that they do not attend mass rallys/programmes which is not for the benfits of the individuals but its merely a showcase for the Pariwar to demonstrate its muscle power to the society & satisfy "her" as well "her" henchmens ego!

(5) Ask the Indian + overseas chartiy commissions to investigate the purpose of the mass wealth accumulated and how it is intend to be spent for the benefit of the masses.

This is not exclusive but are my thoughts. I am sure many people will have similar thinking. Bring as many strong workable ideas/thoughts together and start impelmenting them.

Mr Trevid's life must not be allowed to go waste!

First of all this is almost two years since the death of Pankajbhai and instead of becoming a story on old newspaper this is reverberating across the globe. The new generation is tech savvy and they are going thru the net to collect the information. This has caused the biggest counter shock to Didi. I do not think that this story will ever be forgotten.

Your suggestions are great. Eventually, Ex Swadhyayees would develope enough courage to come out from shadow and take the leadership.

- Vijay Mehta

Evidence leads to Rajkot
Post by MahadevPatel on Jun 25^th, 2006, 6:55pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1678843.cms
GANDHINAGAR: The key to solving the mystery surrounding the murder of NRI businessman Pankaj Trivedi could be in Saurashtra.

TOI sources in the state home ministry said on Sunday that "a major breakthrough in the murder case will be achieved soon, as the police are working on some significant leads in the case".

Several teams of city police are camping in Saurashtra to probe the murder that, cops say, is rooted in his legal tangle with some members of a socio-spiritual group, Swadhyay Parivar.

Trivedi was clubbed to death by four unidentified assailants on the evening of June 15. The police are now focusing on tracking the activities of some of the Swadhyay Parivar members,who hail from Saurashtra's fishermen community.

The sources said the assailants may have travelled to Ahmedabad from Saurashtra. NK Rathod, inspector at Ellisbridge police station, is a part of a five-member team sent to Rajkot to conduct this probe.

"We are probing similar attacks that took place on Swadhyay Parivar members who had sided with Trivedi in the dispute,"said Rathod.

In October 2003, one of Trivedi's associates, Vinu Sachaniya of Pardih in Jamnagar was beaten up by assailants who followed a modus operandi similar to that adopted by Trivedi's killers - they came armed with baseball bats and sticks in a Maruti van.

This, along with two other cases of assault on Trivedi's associates in Rajkot city - also dating back to 2003 - are being probed by Ahmedabad city police.

"In most of these cases, the real culprits had remained in the background. Questioning these people has finally begun to expose the real faces behind this murder and the legal dispute that links Trivedi and the Swadhyay Parivar,"said a highly placed police source.

(Inputs: Vikram Rautela in Ahmedabad)

This article clearly shows who murdered Pankajbhai and under whose instruction.

Let us hope that eventual killer (person with two 'D's in her name instead of 1 as in 'D' gang) is arrested and tried and punished.

God works in mysterious way. This might be the time to punish people who attacked innocent swadhayees fighting for truth. - Vijay Mehta

To Parivar is increasing..
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 26^th, 2006, 07:48am

" But, the result is different............in this 5 year........Swadhyay increases double..........

about 3000 - Yuva kendra.....today it is 27000.....
about 4000 Yogeshwar krushi...today it is about 10000/-
today more than 10 lac Yuvan speaks on GITA ever year..."
- Parivar is increasing

If those growth numbers are accurate as you are stating it is truely impressive. I am not sure thuough what is your source of that numbers.
But one thing is sure .. even that growth can not be sustained unless the the bhakts can be assured that they are worshipping the right Bhagwan.
So, commitment to non-violence, transparent accounting, use of money for the upliftment of poor etc. are essential ingradients of continued succes.
I have really not met anyone who is bent upon destryoing Swadhyay. But seems like Pankajbhai and others believed in Swadhyay, they dedicated their Tan -Man and Dhan for Swadhyay. And that is the reason they are risking everything to see changes in Swadhyay.

I am sure time will tell what impact Pankajbhai's sacrifice would have on Swadhyay and other religions in India. But I have a feeling that Pankajbhai did not die in vein.

We live in new enviornment where even the devotees will expect justice and accountability. Gone are the days when a strong religion can silence anyone raising questions.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 26^th, 2006, 11:24am

Let us put pressure on authorities
Post by Hemant shah on Jun 26^th, 2006, 12:17pm

An appeal to Mr. Vijaybhai Mehta and other prominent community leaders and organizations........

It has been 11 days after Shri Pankajbhai's brutal murder. Despite of Late Pankajbhai's letters to President, Cheif minister of Gujarat, Home Minister of India, Police superitendent clearly stating risk of his life and even providing names of people to hold responsible in case he is killed, Gujarat police is still shooting in dark and "going slow" on investigations. Not a good sign.......

As a community leader, you should write a letter to Chief Minister Narendra Modi, President of India, Prime Minister of India and demand a thorough, prompt and impartial probe into the gruesome murder.

Chief Minister's Office
Block No 1, 5th Floor, New Sachivalaya,
Gandhinagar 382 010,
Gujarat, INDIA.
E-mail of Hon'ble Chief Minister: cm@gujaratindia.com
Tel: +91-79-23232611 to 18 (O)
Fax:+91-79-23222101

Good Suggestion. Do you have the contact information for the Prime Minister and the President?

It is concerning to know that after this many days authorities seem to be lost in this case.

This is also a sad commentary about the news media in Gujarat. Independent news media that is willing to do investigative reporting and keeping populace informed is crucial to democracy. Now that this story is catching attention suddenly media is busy printing all sorts of stories. While the fact is, most of this information was public knowledge for quite some time. Where was the media then? - Vijay Mehta

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by rajubhai on Jun 27^th, 2006, 12:11am

In the early years,I knew that all religeous sact are same and there is always a curruption and malpractices and power game behind and inside the tample.
So I did not follow any so called religeon.
However I found Dada's way of delivering the pravachan on gita and upanishad, something different ,which led me to follow by tan,man and dhan and with a clear understanding and base on bhakti.
I thought that this is THE work.
Now came the turning point around 1999-2000,when we found great disparity between pravachan and actual behaviour in the families.The pariwar could exert pressure among the families to join them but this is difficult to explain which led to division of family system in order to creat new family. that is a highly sofisticated cult, but the language of pariwar is so sweet that you do not percieve that in the begining.
I can say that all the religeon are same and full of money and power game besides preaching. Krishna is just great even after 5000 years,undisputed...long live VEDIC CULTURE....

Manish Savsani in slammer
Post by Hemant Shah on Jun 27^th, 2006, 08:51am

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Ahmedabad/articleshow/msid-1686424,curpg-2.cms

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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Vijay Shah on Jun 27^th, 2006, 3:12pm

Puj. Dadaji lived his life along the principle of "Ayachak vrat" (not to ask for help) ............ he did not need to ask for help what he did was pre-planed schemes where he made millions of Rupees .........he fooled innocent farmers BY DOING SO CALLED YOGESHWAR KRUSHI he asked them to give a peice of land in name of god and made them work hard day and night........whatever was grown in that farm they sold and deposited money into Dada's account later handed over to DIDI .......... I am sorry to say here once again that after praticing swadhyay for so many years he could not live the MOH for his so called daughter, what can he and you accept from his followers.

Swadhay all NGOs need to ask for "Bheekh" (begging) to get their work going whereas Swadhyay never asks for any money. Its true that swadhyayee never asked for money for so called BHEEKH but what what they did was took properties for lease from government and poor farmers and sold it. The best example is land in Bhavnirjar (Ahmedabad) Gujarat. The lease already expired in 2002 and the land today is estimated worth RS 600 - 800 Crore. Is Money important or Swadhyay (self study) to DIDI and her followers huh

Shame on them!

I hope you now understand swadhyayee money making schemes........... open your eyes and ask your inner soul will u still follow this so called DIDI or help expose her scandles

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Sanjay Sharma on Jun 27^th, 2006, 3:55pm

Ravi asked "How many of you think that NRI Pankaj Trivedi was killed by members associated with swadhyay parivar?? Will the Swadhyay give back the government land in Bhavnirjar (Ahmedabad) Gujarat The lease already expired in 2002 and the land today is estimated worth RS 600 - 800 Crore. Is Money important or Swadhyay (self study) to DIDI and her followers"

My answer " If they wanted to give away the land back to Government they would have done so in 2002 when the lease expired. Now, what will happen is DIDI will distribute RS 200-300 Crore between Police men, News paper reporters and politician. Still she will have RS 400 - 500 Crore for herself and the chanting of "Jay Yogeshwar" will cointinue as usual. GOD give me a Brake!.

Predicting the future.....
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27^th, 2006, 4:38pm

Good Job Ravi, Darshan and everyone,

I think message is clear. You really do not need much of middle men or women to do Karma Yoga. If every devout Swadhyayee uses 5-10% of time and energy for upliftment of humanity the impact can be tremendous.
I think Bhagwan no Bhag (God's Share) was a buzz phrase to take money away from people without accountability.

I don't know if they will give land back or not. But, I would predict that "party is over!"

1. People will think twice before just handing over the money. Number of new recruits will go down, fund collection will dwindle.
2. News media would do lot of asking as to how much wealth is accumulated already. And how much actual help has been given to poor and victims of earthquake.
3. Politicians will also realize that being seen with the leaders of Swadhyay is a liability not an asset, so they will change the party.
4. And if we are lucky and some corrupt leaders are removed, Swadhyay will emerge as a much stronger, transperant and focused organization.
Pankajbhai will be remembered as a "fearless Krantikar that laid down his life on line for principle."
5. And, all the arch enemies of Pankajbhai would wish that if they could turn back clock, they would have never wished death on Pankajbhai. Brahm Hatya will prove very costly.

Breaking News: Manish Savsani is arrested
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27^th, 2006, 5:13pm

Police have arrested Manish Savsani of Rajkot for the violent attack on Vinoobhai Sachania in Jamnagar. Vinoobhai was also injured by four men with baseball bat in October 2003, when he was in Jamnagar. Manishbhai is Motabhai for seven districts near Rajkot and very high ranking person in Swadhyay organization.

More than 1500 Swadhyayee's waited outside the hospital where Manish was being treated for dizziness and weakness. ( Doctors say he had fear phobia)

Police believes that all these people did not just appear but they were called by telephone.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1686424.cms
AHMEDABAD/RAJKOT: Manish Savsani, one of the prime suspects in the sensational murder of NRI, Pankaj Trivedi earlier this month, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon by the Ahmedabad police, from a private nursing home in Rajkot.

Savsani � a prominent member of Swadhyay parivar and based in Rajkot � was arrested after being discharged from Madhuram hospital in Rajkot, on Tuesday afternoon even as a crowd collected to protest his arrest.

Savsani was hospitalised on Sunday afternoon, after he reportedly complained of chest pain. He was earlier 'grilled' by Ahmedabad police, for two days, in connection with Trivedi murder, "We have arrested Savsani to probe into his involvement in the criminal assault on a Londonbased NRI and former parivar member, Vinu Sanchania in 2003," additional commissioner of police, PK Jha said.

Police sources said that investigations in the Jamnagar case are now being handled by the Ahmedabad police, which claims to have enough evidence of Savsani's involvement in Trivedi's murder.

Savsani's arrest followed the Ahmedabad commissionerate's recent decision to order re-investigation in the yet 'undetected' cases of assault on Swadhyay Parivar members earlier after Trivedi's murder on June 15.

Savsani was one of the 30 persons, Trivedi had suspected could get him killed as per his letters to top officials. Trivedi had also requested that the letters be considered as his 'dying declaration.'

According to the police, Sanchania was brutally assaulted by some unidentified goons in Jamnagar in October 2003 when he was in India for his father's last rites.

Four other persons were also injured in the incident. Savsani was the prime accused in this case. The goons in this case too had come in a Maruti van and used baseball bat as the assault weapon.

Akila also carried an article on June 17, 2006.

Yuva Kare Swal Didi Jawab De
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27^th, 2006, 5:21pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060628/guj/gujarat/news2.html

Yuva Kare Swal Tuzko
Didi Jawab De...
June 28, 2006
Young men and women of Swadhyay are curious to discuss the current crisis. They are being told not to watch the TV or read the news but just focus on Swadhyay. Once again arrogance over open discussion and explanation.

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Modern Mahabharat
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27^th, 2006, 5:37pm

Interesting and funny article in Gujarati.
Pankajbhai as "Abhimanyu" who was able to solve six circles of intimidation, lawsuits etc but lost to Koot Niti by the gang of 9 people including motabhai Bharat Bhatt.
Guess who is uncompromising "Duryodhan" loving every square centimeter of land and leading all his people to downfall?

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 27^th, 2006, 10:37pm

Vijay,

Thank you for updating us with the latest story from the gujarati news services. Please continue updating and translating into English for those of us non Gujaratis...it seems like the Gujarati newspapers are more current than their English language counterparts.

It is true that at least in the US, it seems that any questioning of motives by Swadhyayees leads to the standard dismissals and urging to stay true to "dada's thoughts."

It is true, I have trouble getting detail information in English media. While most of young Swadhyayees I know are also interested in learning the whole truth. - Vijay Mehta

Confession of an ex Swadhyayee
Post by Open minded Citizen on Jun 28^th, 2006, 02:58am

Bhai,

Believe me - I was stronger swadhyayee than you... Pandurang Shastri came at my place twice, at my village thrice... I was very close to him, I was vibrant worker of Vayastha Sanchalan and I was also thinking like you...

But today, I have gone in details - I studied Jayshree's work, Pandurang's motivation... They have just used us and taken lots of money by different type of activities...

Swadhyay's main point of view was excellent but they haven't walk on same road... they have just cheated all of us by their strong talkie narrations.

I was knowing this Pankajbhai also - he was the strongest swadhyayee in Pandurang's karya.

He has given his whole life for so called swadhyaya. But as he has raised his voice against odds, he has been killed by this organization...

Don't believe in Vyakti puja... believe in serious and sencire work for samaj... believe in your soul... first make your soul clean and neutral - otherwise after some years you will join us - am sure - this is worst and corrupted organization.... they are just using you - your friend and others for their money oriented motivation...

If you want to notice - go and ask how much money there in their account? Ask for daily cost jobsheet...? You will be thrown out... or you can be killed also...

Be careful and shut your mouth if you want to continue this idiot swadhyaya...

Only then you can survive... Just take positive thoughts of swadhyaya - and run out of it...

your well wisher

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Makwana on Jun 28^th, 2006, 1:44pm

Fully agree with this person. Long live Jayshree.. Talab ke magermachh ki jay ho. People now know that opposing swadhyay means you r opposing your life. Think about your family as who will take care of them if you die tomotrrow like Pankaj T?

BTW, should we kill Manish swanani as otherwise he could speak out few names and could cause trouble for swadhyay leaders? Not sure. Let me ask Jayshree.

I think government shoud provide extra portection to Manishbhai and specially if he comes out after reemand time is over. The last thing we need is more bloodshed - Vijay Mehta

Brahm Samaj Speaks up..
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28^th, 2006, 3:16pm

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Mahant Shree Gopalnandjee, President of Gujarat region All India Sadhu Samaj has appealed to all the leaders to look into fraud and mismanagement allegations and find the culprit behind Pankajbhai's murder.

I think as other religious leader realize that such acts not only hurt one sect of religion but people start losing faith in others too. All leaders in government and police are urged to get to the root of all the allegation. Otherwise this can spread like cancer in our society to destroy us all - Gopalanandjee.

Father invests Son collects ....
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28^th, 2006, 3:41pm

In Gujarati..
http://www.akilanews.com/daily/page/page11.pdf

Manishbhai's dad was a physician and served Swadhyay for more than 20 years. But he lived in the same old house during that time. Manishbhai became a Motabhai 5 years ago. About the same time his prosperity skyrocketed and he tore down old building and replaced with Shandar three story building. Who says Prabhukrupa does not pay

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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Article in English on Jun 28^th, 2006, 6:30pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1688870.cms

RAJKOT: Manish Savsani alias Motabhai, one of the prime suspects in the sensational murder of NRI Pankaj Trivedi earlier this month in Ahmedabad, was produced in the Jamnagar court on Wednesday, in connection with an attempt to murder case registered in Jamnagar three years ago.

He was sent to nine days� police remand. Savsani was arrested on Tuesday afternoon by the Ahmedabad police from a private nursing home in Rajkot.

A London-based member of the Swadhyay Parivar, Vinu Sachania, had lodged a complaint with the Jamnagar police in 2003, naming Savsani as one of the four persons who had attacked him. The investigation, however, was left incomplete then.

Sources indicate that cases pertaining to the Swadhyay Parivar are now being reopened, including the Vinu Sachania case. Police sources said that there is a similarity in the attacks on Pankaj Trivedi and Vinu Sachania and it is important to gather the names of the co-accused in the Sachania case, as well as other details.

Vinu Sachania had donated Rs 2 crore to the Swadhyay Parivar for the rehabilitation of earthquake-affected people in Kutch.

Sources indicate that Sachania began making inquiries, when he had doubts whether the money was being utilised properly and this became a point of dispute.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by ROHIT on Jun 28^th, 2006, 7:00pm

Dear Narendrabhai Modi,

Hope this email finds you in good spirit.

Before, I start let me just say this, I am also a long time swadhyayi. That doesn't give me any right to defend any organization or people who are suspected for a brutal murder.

If you had not entered politics with Swami Vivekanada's ideals in your heart, I probably won't be writing this email to you.

At present, you are passing through most important, most critical time as a Chief Minister of Gujarat. The whole conutry, not just Gujarat is watching evrey step you take. In fact, the world is eagerly watching for the outcome of Mr. Pankajbhai Trivedi's murder case. You can write your own destiny by not let any politician interfere with the investigation and prove to the country that you are indeed performing your " RAJDHARMA" like Great King Bharat. Your integrity, your honesty is at stake and this murder case can in fact lead you to the highest position of Prime Minister of India one day.

I am deeply hurt and disturbed by some of the comments your ministers, Mr. Chhatrasinh Mori, Purushottam Rupala etc made in public in favor of Swadhyay.
I am sure you realize how appropriate it is to openly favor a religious organization suspected in this murder.

How can we Gujaratis then expect a fair and impartial investigation from this administration? They owe an apology to the people of Gujarat immedaitely and you need to take strong disciplinary actions against them to set an example.

These ministers are openly recommending renewing the land on which Bhav-Nirzar is built. Narendrabhai, we live in 21st century and this type of favoratism will only guarentee political damage to you personally and to BJP as a whole.

These ministers are not assets to your administration, they are your liablity.

If you believe in GOD, which I am sure you do, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT RENEWING LEASE to SWADHYAY.

I can not wait until you not only refuse to renew the land, but take back the land Government of Gujarat has sold to SWADHYAY at half the market value.

When the whole world is fighting terrorism, Spiritual terrorism has no place in Gandhiji's Gujarat.

Let me remind you one more thing; any one who will fight for the cause of getting the murderers punished will probably might meet the same fate. False criminal cases will also be filed against them which empower corrupt police officials to arrest and hammer them in lock-ups also make them vulnerable for fatal assaults at the hands of mobs. The slow judiciary cost heavy against whom the cases are filed and finish them financially.

If government of Gujarat had arrested criminals who assualted an N.R.I. Mr. Vinoobhai Sachania, the life of Mr. Pankajbhai would have been saved.

Would you let this ugly dance of violence continue? I hope not.

If you do, who will dare to visit Gujarat? Do you think after murder of an N.R.I, any N.R.I will even think about visiting Gujarat now a days?

One last thing, I do not like your automatic one line reply stating " Chief Minister have received your email and we acknoledge the receipt."

I expect you to take some time as I did and reply yourself.

Let's do some justice to a brave and noble man who invited his death for a cause of justice.

A true Swadhyayi.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Satyapriya on Jun 28^th, 2006, 7:25pm

From the EYEs of an independent observer....
Wow! So much ignorance and blind following prevail and that in 21st century! Those who cannot see the entire politics for Money & Power being played - on The Swadhyay front are truly naive undecided

I sincerely believe Mr. Trivedi lost his life for a good cause will surely be remembered for time to come by people who are aware and activists on similar fronts�
Any one of you read George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' one of the greatest satire of our time... if not please read this small book and get enlightened! It describes what happens to the closed autocratic societies. Swadhyay Organization is one such cult or for that matter any other like Koresh's or J. Jone's cult and many more whose blind followers who refuse to see things as they are eventually doom with their self-proclaimed, egoistic, arrogant, deluded leader in this case it would be DiDi...
Wake up smell the coffee before it gets too late...

E Mail of most of Gujarati Samaj ...
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 28^th, 2006, 7:36pm

Here are the emails to most of Gujarati samaj's in USA

bsou@bsou.org,admin@brahminsamaj.org,
dadhich@dadhich.com,brahminsgroup@yahoogroups.com,
brahminsgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com,
appiusforum@yahoo.com,
contact@audichyasamaj.com,info@rajtechnologies.com,
contact@shuklaanil.com,cm@gujaratindia.com,
yptripathi@hotmail.com,Secretary@bardai.org.uk,KUM PATEL@JUNO.COM,shahbps@yahoo.com,Nnagin@aol.com,
cps@patidar.net,Clpss2@juno.com,
sangankar@earthlink.net,
Chetal_patel@dell.com,NSPatel@Home.com,
Star22k@flash.net,tradeone@earthlink.net,
gsnyweb@hotmail.com,Chetal1000@aol.com,
ngandhi@kenan.com,shaharvind@aol.com,
tapadia@mindspring.com,raju@connectexpress.com,
rajbera@hotmail.com,mathiyausa@arthouse.com,
hnpanchal@hotmail.com,akt@skilling.com,
mahendra@phse.com,smitaap@massmed.org,
feedbackGSNO@hotmail.com

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Jagrut Swadhyayees are showing signs of awakening
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28^th, 2006, 10:24pm

Reported by Sandesh:
There is a sizable decrease in the number of regular Swadhyayees in Amdawad area. Jivarajpark Kendra that used to have more than 350 attendance is now recording only 60-70 people. In Ghatalo diya Kendra where more than 600 Swadhyayees used to attend is now recording 100-150 Swadhyayees. In addition Yuva Kendro, Mahila Kendro and Bal Sansthan Kendro is recording 50% decrease.

Jagruti - Effect on Kendras in USA
Post by Bharat Jani USA on Jun 28^th, 2006, 10:39pm

Some kendras slated to be closed

Reading, PA
Lancaster, PA
Toms River, NJ
Rockland, NY

Please let us know status of others....

Dada's Arthisarjan and Didi is not there!
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28^th, 2006, 11:43pm

Didi may not be present at the Arthi Visharjan for Dada.
20,000 Swadhyayee from Maharastra and 1400 Swadhyayees from outside country had joined locals for this week long event to go to villeges and do charitable work.

Missing at this time is next in command and adopted daughter - Didi. Whereabouts of Didi and wheather she will join the event is anyone's guess.

If Didi had nothing to do with the murder why is she not attending this important event?

Hai Hai Yeah Majboori,
Yeah Police Aur Yeah Doori!

How much believe in media news.......
Post by Amdavadi on Jun 29^th, 2006, 12:27am

Dear Mr. Uncle,

Nowdays, whatever comes in all major newspaper in Ahmedabad pained to all swadhyay Parivar. Everybody knows what is truth. We swadhyayee knows about swadhayay activities, it's aim, why it is for us.
Hi Amdawadi,

First of all let me make it clear... I am not against Swadhyay. I have nothing but admiration for more than 100 Swadhyayees I know personally.
The difference between you and me is this.. I think it is wrong if funds were collected for earthquake and used for some bank account. That is Chori.
I believe if someone hurt Vinoobhai or killed Pankajbhai to help Swadhyay that is Dadagiri.
When you steal from Bhagawan no Bhag for lavish life style and expensive jewllary.. that is the sin of highest degree.
This can not go on indefinitely. that is why long and loyal members of Swadhyay decided to expose the racket.
This has been less than 15 days and lots of young men and women I know are asking questions.
Yes, they do have lakhs of followers and lots of resources. Yes they have made a lot of progress in number of schools etc. But, remember when you have to do Adharm to hide your shortfalls.. that means it is time for change.
Just by saying that newspaper is wrong is like sticking your head in the sand and saying that sun has not come out.
So wake up and see the reality.
Motabhai Manishbhai is in remand. And as the time goes more answers has will have to be answered about crores of dollars and ruees and how they are being used.

Once again in Geeta great & powerful team of Guru Dronacharya, Bhism Pitamah, Karna etc lost to the Dharma and Truth.
Most of people in Swadhyay go there because they believe that their money and effort is being used for upliftment of poor people. When they find out otherwise they may find different ways to help poor.
Aage Aage Dekho Hota Hain Kya.

By the way, I noticed your colorful language, is that representative of Swadhyay?

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Raju Guide on Jun 29^th, 2006, 05:24am

Dear Vijaybhai,

These, "Nalayak", "Harami", "Luchcho" and other colourful words were very favourite to Pujya DADA.
Millions of us have heard them time and again. Now, they are used in day to day course when a Swathyayi has to express displeasure against any one.

Raju Guide

who is Kaurava and Pandava...
Post by Amdavadi on Jun 29^th, 2006, 07:27am

Dear Ravi,

If you believe Swadhyayee are Kaurav and his opposer are Pandava......
Let's see, How many 'Axohini sena' was there, 18....
Now, what is the ratio of the 'axohini sena' between Pandva and Kaurava.....
When you compare this to swadhyayee.....how many pandava sena as compare to Swadhyayee...it's about 0.005 %. and Kaurava is 99.995 %.
But in Mahabharat, there were no big difference between sena......you know........
So whatever you compare this with Mahabharat is absuletly wrong.............this can not be compare with mahabharat due to number of people between two.
This can be compare to Rishi and 'Rakshsha'.
Few Rakshsha were enguange to throw bone in Yagna.
Then after what was happen you know that....Rakshsha was destroyed by God......
Now you can think....in which category you are.......
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In Amdavad, I never heard that any 'Sampradaya' like, Swaminarayan, Brahmsamaj, comes in 'Vaghari', 'Harijan'.
I think you have not knowledge about this , what they do ?

I think it is wonderful that Swadhyay goes to Harijan, Vaghri and other groups to preach the religion.
Vast majority of people who are dedicated to Swadhyay are not really dedicated to one person - be it Dada or Didi. They are dedicated to the cause. Cause of justice, humanity, karma yoga, spirituality etc. So even if a person was treated as God if they realize that "Emperor has no clothes" they would suddenly move away from the panth.
I can understand how hard it must be for many of them to see the current controversy. They trusted the leaders and organization. They did not ask questions because of faith, not becaue of stupidity.
So, when the mismanagement, corruption, chori, dadagiri etc becomes clear to them, in a short time the numbers can change.
Let me ask you this, do you think it would be ok for anyone to keep the money collected for earthquake? If any organization did that would you still have full faith in it?
Fall of many great organizations has occured when faithfuls were mistaken as being stupid.
Aage aage dekhiye hota hain kya!

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 29^th, 2006, 07:31am

AS IT IS SAID SATYAMEVA JAYATE (TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS)...... MAY GOD BLESS MR PANKAJ TRIVEDI'S SOUL AND GUJARAT GOVERNMENT HONOUR HIM AS GUJARAT RATNA AWARD. HE IS MY TRUE HERO.... "VIR BANVU CHE MARA VIR BANVU CHE...... DUSHMAN NA VINDHI NAKHEE AA TIR BANVU CHE.... " LOTS OF PEOPLE SING THIS SONG IN SWADHYAY BUT ONLY A NOBLE PERSON LIKE PANKAJ TRIVEDI REALLY PRATICED IT IN HIS LIFE... HE FOUGHT HIS OWN LIKE ARJUN DID IN GITA. THANKS GOD FOR BEING WITH HIM.... WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER HIM.

- REAL SWADHYAYI RAVI PATEL........ RAVI_PATEL_USA@YAHOO.COM

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 29^th, 2006, 07:37am

DEAR AHMEDABADI,

I AM WITH RISHI "PANKAJ TRIVEDI", ALL THE RISHI'S WERE BRAHMIN SO IS HE. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE BROTHER....
MARA BHAI, BHAGWAAN BADHANU BHALU KAREE....

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 29^th, 2006, 07:50am

I THANK VIJAY UNCLE AND OUR CHIEF MINISTER OF GUJARAT MR NARENDRA MODI FOR THIS FAIR TRIAL AND NOT INTERFERING IN BETWEEN POLICE INVESTIGATION. WITHOUT THEIR HELP IT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN POSSIBLE FOR AHMEDABAD POLICE TO REACH AT THE BASE OF THE TRUTH. EAGER TO HEAR THE NAMES OF PEOPLE INVOLVED..... DIDIJI, AAB KYA HOGA AAPKA huh

KAHA HAIN AAP??

RAVI PATEL
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 29^th, 2006, 08:49am

didi will come out one day and she will prove her innocence. Currently she has gone underground and discussing few points with top level people on how to deal with situation.
BTW, she needs some money for her next visit to USA. Anyone ready to contribute? anything is fine.. allah ke naam pe de de baba, swadhyay ke naam pe de de..
kuchh bhi de per de.. woh kya kahte hai
"LAV" SAMARP cry

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jun 29^th, 2006, 09:09am

I have some cash available. If soneone let me know her address, I can wire transfer $$ to her.

Re: "Pankaj Trivedi Scholarship"
Post by An Observer on Jun 29^th, 2006, 09:37am

I think every penny from Mrs. Talwalkar should be confiscated and spent towards "Pankaj Trivedi Scholarship" for highr -College- education to the children of those Chamars, Vaghris, Harijans and Machhimars, so that they will not easily fall prey to another "Pandurang".

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 29^th, 2006, 09:41am

MR. Makwana,

Why don't you give your every penny to your Didi and then ask for money to tother people.

Make sure you find here address and send money to her.

Re: "Allah ke naam pe de de price"
Post by An Observer on Jun 29^th, 2006, 09:47am

"Allah ke naam pe"
Mr. Makwana is absolutely right. Lord Krishna stands for truth, and will not help her. Now she will have to resort to Allah. And by wearing burkhah she will be able to hide her face too.

Aar Paar Magazine gives Swadhyay due coverage
Post by Guest on Jun 29^th, 2006, 10:43am

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Murder linked to high level Swadhyayees
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jun 29^th, 2006, 12:19pm

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It is official!

Ahemadabad Police have declared on TV that murder of Pankajbhai was an organized crime and members of Swadhyay Parivar were involved.

In 'D' gang organized crime hencemen are called 'Bhai' and in 'Didi' gang henchmen are called 'Motabhai'.

'Didi' gang is more dangerous to society as they loot people for money in name of God.

Pankajbhai, this is some closure for people like us who are truly grieved by your untimely death. Full closure will come when punishment is given to everybody involved in your murder.
- Vijay Mehta

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1690383.cms
The Times of India:
AHMEDABAD: Investigations into the murder of a US-based non-resident Indian (NRI) here this month have led police to suspect some members of an influential socio-religious sect were behind the crime, an official said on Thursday.

"It is clear that Pankaj Trivedi's murder was not a case of personal rivalry, but it was an organised act with definite motive," Additional Commissioner of Police PK Jha told reporters.

"The motive behind the murder is clear and we have narrowed down the list of suspects. Several of them are associated with the Swadhyaya Parivar," said Jha.

The Swadhyaya Parivar is a socio-religious movement founded by late Pandurang Shashtri Athavale in the 1980s. It has a wide following in many parts of the country, especially Maharashtra and Gujarat, and abroad.

However, after the death of its founder, the sect has fragmented with a breakaway faction accusing the sect's new chief, Athawale's daughter Jayashree Didi, as she is popularly known, of financial irregularities.

According to the police official, the murder could be the result of the infighting in the sect, as Trivedi was one of those senior Parivar members who had alleged corruption in the sect
The victim had also sought police protection when he visited the country last year, fearing an attack from some members of the sect.

Following his murder in the city June 15, police reopened a case relating to the attack on Vinu Sanchania, a Britain-based NRI and Parivar member, in January 2003 in Jamnagar, about 400 km from here.

A Rajkot-based businessman Manish Savsani was arrested this week in connection with the Jamnagar attack and sent in nine-day police remand.

The attackers in both cases had used baseball bats, leading police to suspect a link between them.

While Jha refused to divulge the names of the suspects, he said: "We are close to making some arrests but we are gathering evidence."

He said police did not have ample evidence against Jayashree Didi but did not rule out the possibility of interrogating her.

Police have announced a reward of Rs.1,00,000 for providing clues to resolve the murder mystery.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MAHESH on Jun 29^th, 2006, 12:31pm

Any smart person will look back and easily see how big words were used by Pandurang Shashtriji to impress educated mass and bring them in Swadhyay for his own selfish motives.

Some people have already gave a list here and I would like to add few more Buzz words used by Athvale and her daughter to fool people.

BHAV-GEET....to Praise Athvale and his fmaily
BHAV-FERI....It is in fact LAV-FERI
BHAV-VRUDHDHI
BHAV-SAMARPAN....You should read LAV-SAMARPAN
BHAV-NIRZAR
BHAV-PRASANGS..Fabricated stories to play with follower's emotions

ASHMITA-JAGRUTI
HUMAN-UPLIFTMENT
APOURUSH-LAXI
TIRTHRAJ MILAN
ASHITI VANDANA
ARCHIRAYAN

All of these so called Gurus select Gujarat for their "BUSINESS OF SELLING GOD" as we Gujaratis are so BHAVUK (Emotinal), God-loving and trust any one very easily (Naive). On top of these " qualities" we are financially better off than most of the country.

A perfect recipe for Religious con artists............

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by An Observer on Jun 29^th, 2006, 1:18pm

I think if police would effectively find the guilty, and legal system would give severe punishment, it will be a warning signal to other Gurus too.
No spiritual leader, these days, seems to be living a simple honest, and exemplary life.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 29^th, 2006, 2:09pm

on Jun 29^th, 2006, 10:43am, Guest-Guest wrote:

When i think She is Right now in Pakistn and hiding herself ...because whenever terrorist wink

made big big mistake ..they go to pakistan and hide overhtere....

So might be she doing same thing

wow, didi in burkha? She will hide her face for sure but how she will hide her mota sharir (badan) huh

anybody to help Jayshree out? I think she is on a crash diet course for next 1 year so that when she comes out, nobody will recognise her and she will not be caught in murder case.
good news is she was 157 kg and in now she is down to 155kg just in 2 days. grin

Re: A Jawan on the Front?
Post by An Observer on Jun 29^th, 2006, 4:14pm

I heard lately that Pandurang's feet were amputated. Was he a Jawan injured on war-front? Or.......was it God's wish...
verdict.....or grace?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by PIYUSH on Jun 29^th, 2006, 4:53pm

Good Point...If a person ran all his life selflessly for other people, GOD is not that cruel or injust to take away legs which ran reluntlessly for human-upliftment.

Another thing is that GOD does not want or approve GADI-PRATHA establishment and hence did not give any kids to Shashtriji.

Well, Shashtriji challanged GOD by adopting his niece so he can establish a GADI-PRATHA.

Its like a game of chess.....Now it was GOD's turn to make move. He did not give any Kids to Didi either.

Now it is Didi's turn to make a move........

And you know what her next move would be. She would pass on the GADI to his nephew who is may be 10 years old now.

They are out there to outsmart GOD.............

Swadhyay in Youtube
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 29^th, 2006, 5:05pm

Please click this link and see several news clips of Panjajbhai's Murder and other shenanigans under the name of Swadhyay

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Swadhyay&search_type=&aq=f

Some important links are:

Swadhyay in news. Listen to Pankajbhai as he articulated the fraud and deceit being carried out under the banner of religion.
He may be murdered but his voice will be with us for ever.

Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 1

Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 2

Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 3

Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 4

Maheshbhai Shah, a prominent leader and ex swadhyayee speaks about Swadhyay

Maheshbhai Shah and Satish Patel is brutally attacked for speaking up and you hear about all the Swadhyay Gundas who were arrested

Maheshbhai Shah and Satishbhai Patel attack - Vinoo Sachania speaks up and later on he is the victim of Swadhyay Gunda/ Motabhai Manish Savsani of Rajkot

Swadhyay did not even leave Krishna alone by copy writing the idol

S.K. Joshi speaks about Yogeswar copyright mess - This is not business but religion

Raily for getting Krishna out of lock up against Swadhyay - but who is listening?

More news about Yogeswar copyright

Didi's ranting in Connecticut on May 25, 2006
Post by Geust on Jun 29^th, 2006, 6:06pm

Look at this... did what she saying now...She is right now NY and so many program going on south india...like dada's " Asti visrjan"...and i am still not understand what she doing here in NY...

On May 25, 2006 Didi addressed a group of Swadhyayees in Connecticut. Pankajbhai had personally talked to several swadhyayees in this area about the fraud and deceit. Pankajbhai left for India on May 22, 2006. Here are the main points Didi made. Someone actually have a audio recording of her speech and we would greatly appreciate if they can forward us a copy at vijayvip@aol.com.

If a crow is eating the yogart do we simply watch it? We need to scare him away. We believe that whatever Dada says that only happens. Our job is to do whatever Dada believed in. Right now we are working for jungle dwellers. How much work we are doing? No one has any idea. We have built so many houses for those jungle dwellers � even than you guys keep asking questions, your emails keep on coming (note how she uses Dada as the cover and instead of answering the questions about earthquake she talks about the Vanvasi- jungle dwellers). It is easy to send the email or express your concerns if you got the guts come in front of me and ask � I am sitting right here. (notice here she is using the technique to scare the audience into submission. Everyone knew the fate of Maheshbhai, Satishbhai and Vinoo Sachania.)

Anyone who has guts come in front of me and speak. There ten people were asking or here three people asking what kind of baseless allegations are these? If you have questions you ask here. This is the forum. Dada�s work is done in Dada�s style (this is the key Dada had invented the way of talking about how much work was being done without producing any objective data to substantiate it. Basically if he was God you had to take his word for it. Now Dada�s name could be used as cover)

You guys are stuck on earthquake money, earthquake money! Hell with your American money. In our town people are talking that one day this dollar is going to fall. One day one Rupee will be worth 35 dollars. Then come to India and we will give you money. (Wow she is being very generous � offering to give money only problem is only when the �one Rupee is worth 35 Dollars!)

Did we ask for money? (in reference to earthquake donations) Who asked you to send for money? We were not starving without your money. Even than you sent us the money (thank God she acknowledges that we did send the money) � Dada sent us the money not the people!!! (see how she converted the money by US Swadhyayees into Dada�s wealth in just one second?) Even then you keep singing the same tune ( what happened to earthquake funds? She is obviously irritated by this same question over and over. Why doesn�t she simply answer it?)

Do you know how much we are working? (If you were working so hard you would not be so fat!!!) Don�t send any cent now. Do you know how many houses we have built? (No, that is what we have been trying to find out for years!) How many engineers are working? One hundred and fifty engineers are coming. They are sending us emails. They built roads, colleges. Those who worked we bow down to them. I have explained to the village people what a big deal it is for us when NRI come and how much they have worked. We have to throw at Gujarat Government�s face that we give so much but Government has no idea. Dada is doing all these but he has never asked you for a penny. Dada has never begged for money � directly or indirectly. (Dada had stolen money by indirectly collecting for social activities)

Wearing nice clothes or asking for money to build temples etc he has never done. He has built relationships and then he has done it. In order to keep Dada�s experiment going we need to shed blood. Is it not a big achievement that in Sabarkantha those jungledwellers now have houses? It is not a great achievement? Even then you keep asking about Earthquake funds?? Take your money. (She just told them to take it, but did not actually give any money!)

(Any one with common sense can see through this rant. She keeps changing the subject from earthquake money to other activities. Keep bringing Dada in the speech to deflect any logical discussion. She is obviously angry and rattled. No wonder when Pankajbhai is murdered 21 days later she is on the phone from London to Amadawad with Bhart Bhatt and others for 30 minutes within minutes of murder.)

Swadhyay pariwar behind this murder
Post by Raju Guide on Jun 29^th, 2006, 6:46pm

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Vinoo Sachania's letter to CM part 1
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 29^th, 2006, 7:05pm

A detail letter from Vinoo Sachania to the Chief Minister.. must read, explains why he was beaten up - Vijay Mehta

http://news.indiainfo.com/publicopinion/ahmedabad-swadhyay.htm

Namaste
Shri Narendrabhai Modi
Chief Minister of Gujarat

I read the news from 'Sambhaav Metro' about Swadhyay's Bhavnirjar's lease.

The Sambhaav published very good news about Didi's aim. I congratulate the Editor of Sambhaav because people need to dare for this. Behind the curtain Dada,Tai,Didi and her husband are not honest that I strongly believe that.
I must say that this land is not used according its own lease's aim. According to my knowledge Pandurang did not mention anything about the purpose of this lease during the three days Temple Pranparitistha Utsav in April, 1979. You can ask Didi for a video or audio about this program.
Swadhyay's Pandurang, Jayshree Didi, her husband and Tai were and are not honest with Gujarati people. They have made a lot of money and property from Gujarati people and therefore I am requesting you please save our money and property because you are the Soldier of five crores Gujarati people. The poor people need, hospitals, schools, Ahmedabad needs gardens, parks more leisure facilities for children and elderly people as well.
Please do not renew leases again.

A. Brief summary of some of the EVENTS.
In June 2000, Dada declared that; "Though up to now I was saying that Swadhyay work is God's work, I am now asserting that I am the owner of Swadhyay work, this is my ownership." No religious person or saint has ever proclaimed himself to be the owner of any religious or cultural activity which he might have started. In the case of Swadhyay activity, the work was started by Dada but was spread with the time, money and energy of 200,000 workers.

Dada appointed his adopted daughter Dhanashree Talwalkar or Jayshree, known as Didi (his brother's daughter) as the successor to his ownership of Swadhyay activity in June 2000, thus contradicting his own preaching. For many years in his lectures he had condemned the traditional methods of "Gadee Pratha", where a Guru hands over the leadership of his organisation to his son or daughter. In 1991-92, he had declared among his followers that he would not like any person to take over the leadership of Swadhyaya Parivar after him, but it would be guided by Amnaay, (which means constitution) which was prepared by Dada himself. As the sole successor to Swadhyay activity, Didi abrogated the Constitution of Swadhyay.

Two love letters written in 1995-96, first of which was written by one Ajay Joshi (a Swadhyayee closely associated with Didi) to Didi and the other written by Didi to Ajay Joshi became public in December 2000. Both Ajay Joshi and Didi are married (not to each other) for over twenty years. Dada and Didi were flabbergasted and, not knowing what to do, took steps reminiscent of the adage; 'king can do no wrong' and adopted offensive attitude. Didi and Ajay Joshi both admitted that they had written the aforesaid letters but the purpose was to write a drama about the message of Swadhyaya. One can see the letters on the web site; www.swadhyayee.org and decide if they have anything to do with the message of Swadhyaya!

In order to defend Didi, Dada started vilifying senior dedicated workers, who had been with Dada for 30 to 50 years stating that these senior workers had resorted to character assassination of Didi as they wanted power, prestige and money. Since both of them had good control over Swadhyayees, they directly or obliquely instigated their followers to resort to violence, advocated ostracisation of these workers and directed their followers not to read any explanations which they may receive from these workers or others. On such instigation, several people were beaten up in India and were hospitalised and immobilised for months.

On reports being published in Newspapers and Magazines, journalists and editors were threatened of dire consequences through telephone calls. In respect to Chitralekha, a Gujarati weekly, about a dozen suits were filed in different parts of Maharashtra so that the journalists and editors have to run about to defend themselves. Similarly, several false criminal complaints have been filed against former senior swadhyayees in about a dozen courts in Gujarat with a view to harassing them and to force them to appear in different courts in distant places.

Former Chief Justice of Gujarat High Court, B J Diwan gave an interview to a Gujarati Daily, 'Gujarat Samachar' and aired his views on accumulation of wealth in swadhyay trusts and on the manner of working of Didi. He too was summoned by Dada. He was also indirectly threatened.

B. Regarding collection and accumulation of money

Dada and Didi exhorted people to donate a portion of their income for God's work on the basis that when a man toils to earn his livelihood, he is not alone in doing so but God, who resides in him, is also working with him and therefore everyone should share his income with God. The amounts collected in this manner in India would be about Rupees 10 crores a year. The amount spent for God's work by the receiving trusts is only in lakhs per year.

Dada and Didi enthused local people to donate money to cover expenses of local Swadhyay centres and (on the ground that if there is accumulation at each centre there could be bickering amongst local people) required surplus at the end of each year to be donated to Swadhyay trusts designated by them. In this manner, in effect, hundreds of centres in India became collecting centres for donations to Swadhyay activity. Through such collections, Swadhyay trusts got about Rupees 2 crores per year.

By not distributing to farmers interest accrued on their deposits with Madhavi Raksha Sankalpa (MRS), (a trust in which farmers are supposed to deposit Yogeshwar Krushis' earnings,) MRS increased the amount of its corpus from Rs.1000 to about Rs.8 to 10 crores, all of which money truly belongs to poor farmers.

Although farmers and others look after Shreedarshanams and Vrukshamandirs, all the proceeds of these two projects are credited to trust account and no amount is spent for the needy farmers who look after of these two projects.

About Rupees two crores per year were earned by sale of firecrackers during Diwali Festivals. No excise duty, octroi duty, sales tax or income tax is said to be paid in respect to this business.

Artisans, small shopkeepers and farmers are encouraged to give their efficiency (service) to create wealth, all earnings of which are credited to trust account and no amount is known to be spent on needy persons who have earned this income.

While Dada & Didi require every swadhyayee to spend out of his income for travelling, stay and other expenses while on swadhyay work Dada & Didi for themselves and their spouses have been charging such expenses as also medical, telephone and car expenses to Shraddha Trust although in their own right they have annual income of millions of rupees and assets worth crores of rupees.

C. Exaggerations and misguiding statements often made by Dada and Didi and/or Swadhyay workers. The nature and extent of such statements can be gauged from the following:

In respect to application for Templeton Award, Press Notes issued suggest that 100,000 villages in India have been economically and spiritually completely transformed by Swadhyay activity. The reality is that there would not be a single village of this sort. Giving benefit of doubt, if at all there are any such villages these cannot be more than handful against the claim of 100,000.

It was claimed by Swadhyay Parivar that, during January 2001 earthquake in Kutch, it had built 40,000 houses. Later the claim was reduced to building 6000 houses. The reality is that only building material worth about Rs 3 to 4 thousand has been distributed or paid for in respect to 4538 houses at a total cost of about Rs 1.75 to 2 crores. It is believed that the amount collected in USA, Canada and UK in the name of Kutch earthquake relief is likely to be Rs 10 crores.

It was claimed by Dada that he was the only representative of Hindu religion at the Second World Religious Conference held in Japan in 1954 and was twice elected Chairman of the Round Table Conference. The facts are that this was a small conference organised by a society established in the name of ANANAI-KYO, a local Japanese religious organisation where only twenty people from six countries represented their sects. As for his being elected Chairman at the Conference, the official report of the society on the conference suggests that Dada had left Japan before the Round Table Conference had commenced! Dada also claimed that a well-known philosopher called Dr Compton from America was very impressed by him during the conference and invited him to deliver lectures in America offering large sums of money. The official report suggests that no one called Dr Compton attended the conference!

Didi attended a prayer meeting at Vatican in relation to people who lost their lives in the attack on Twin Towers on September 11. It was claimed that she was specially invited for the occasion and was the only representative of Hindu Religion, which indeed she was not. Further, while it was claimed that she got very special treatment from the Pope, in reality she was one of a large number of delegates and had no special status offered to her. Also a word was spread that the Pope had requested her to organise the youth activities of the Catholics but this propaganda was soon withdrawn when a journalist reported that the camera caught Didi dozing when the Pope was delivering his lecture!

Continued part 2

Vinoo Sachania's letter to CM part II
Post by Baburao Shinde on Jun 29^th, 2006, 10:55pm

continued Part II
Dada and Didi had encouraged swadhyayees to compose and sing songs apparently in praise of God and Swadhyay work which also praised Dada as an incarnation of God or God himself. Didi has also endeavoured to project Dada as God. Swadhyayees are also made to believe that Didi is a Devi and everyone should accept her as such and must not question anything she says. Dada asked some Swadhyayees to write songs praising Didi!

Vinoo Sachania

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jun 29^th, 2006, 11:10pm

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jun 29^th, 2006, 11:34pm

It has been about two years since Shashtriji died and Jayshree is still busy with ASTHI-VISARJAN........THIS IS A BIG JOKE! fOR HOW LONG HER DRAMA OF ASHTI-VISARJAN continue?

I remember Shashtriji saying in one of his pravachan that after a person is dead, his body turns in to phosphorous and ashes and its value is no more than a matchis stick ( to lit a fire)..Then why these big shows years after he died?

Also. what happend to hsi teachings....
" Na Vak Pani Padau, Na Chopasth Payu,
Chidananda Rupam, Shivoham shivoham.........

Talk is cheap.

wink

Why Swadhyay Parivar not speak.....
Post by Software Engineer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 01:03am

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Satish Rughani Attack
Post by Software engineer no Dado on Jun 30^th, 2006, 01:47am

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Learn how to respect
Post by Software Engineer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 05:47am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 07:32am

Re: Why Swadhyay Parivar not speak.....
Post by Harware Engg on Jun 30^th, 2006, 08:51am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Tapori on Jun 30^th, 2006, 08:55am

Swadhyay definitely connected to Murder - police
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:06am

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Within 14 days of murder police concluded that it was connected to Swadhyay parivar and there was no personal issue between Pankajbhai and his assailants. Jagrut Swadhyayees take a note, does this sound like philosophical organization? Trivedi's murder does have Parivar link, say police

Attack wasn�t personal, it was due to the tussle between Trivedi and Parivar members, say cops; haven�t ruled out interrogation of Jayshree
FOURTEEN days after NRI Pankaj Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a club in the heart of the city, the police said that the murder was ''not personal" and that it had ''a Swadhyay Parivar link.''

Addressing a press conference, Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said: ''The motive behind Trivedi's murder is clear. The attack on him was not due to personal reasons. It followed a tussle between Trivedi and the members of the Swadhyay Parivar, which was a result of the happenings within the organisation (of which Trivedi was a part since 1972).''

Claiming that the police were close to cracking the case, he said the police had evidence that (as claimed by Trivedi in his letter) there has been misappropriation or misuse of funds within the Parivar.

Trivedi had, in a letter written to the US Secret Service, sought protection for himself and his family, and alleged that he was being targeted by members of the Parivar at the behest of both Jayshree Didi and her husband.

Trivedi had sought protection from members of the Parivar for allegedly speaking out about financial irregularities and misappropriation of funds. He had alleged that crores of rupees collected as donations from US and Britain for rehabilitation of Gujarat earthquake victims had not been utilised properly.

Jayshree Talwalkar is yet to be questioned in connection with the case. "The list of suspects does contain the name of several people associated with Swadhyay Parivar," Jha said, adding that Jayshree was not on the list.

When asked why she had not been quizzed, he said: ''At present, we do not have any evidence to interrogate her. However, we are not ruling out the possibility (of interrogating her).''

''We have narrowed down on the list of suspects who were behind the killing,'' police said.

Till now, only one arrest has been made in connection with the murder: Manish Savshani, the head of Swadhyay Parivar's Rajkot unit, was picked up by Ahmedabad police on Tuesday.

Savshani, also a Swadhyay Parivar member, was arrested after the police reopened the case of the attack on London-based Parivar member Vinu Sanchania in Jamnagar in January 2003.

Police are also investigating the phone records of some of the suspects, Jha said.

During the interrogation of Bharat Bhatt, the head of the Parivar in Ahmedabad, it had come to light that Jayshree had rung him up from London just 30 minutes after Trivedi was killed.

Cellphone records of Ramnik Patel from Veraval, another Swadhyay Parivar member who spoke to Savshani on the night of the murder, are also being probed. ''The call was made at the odd hour of 2.30 in the night. Savshani doesn't have a convincing explanation,'' Jha said.

''Now, it is common knowledge that organised attacks were carried out against Trivedi and his friends and similarly court cases were filed against them in an organised manner," Jha said.

Speaking about the similarities in the Sanchania and the Trivedi case, he said: ''The two cases might be different but are linked by the fact that they were a conspiracy against the victims.'' The victims had alleged misappropriation of funds.

Meanwhile, the investigating officer in the murder case has been changed. Ellisbridge Senior Police Inspector N K Rathod has been replaced by Vidhi Gohil, a traffic department officer who was investigating officer in the 2003 Vinu Sanchania murder case.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:11am

Jayshree's puppets in India is now complaining to the collector for "Harrassment" by media...... grin

These folks are in their fantasy world.......... laugh

Hey kids, go fly a kite instead.............. cheesy

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:22am

We see that Swadhyay image is plummetting very fast. Many centers in UK, USA and India are closing down. What are these people going to do? They are so much used to the Sunday gatherings and religious preachinig that it would be difficult for them to stay home.
Would they all be joining the Swaminarayan Group after all? .

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:33am

on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:22am, Guest-An Observer wrote:

We see that Swadhyay image is plummetting very fast. Many centers in UK, USA and India are closing down. What are these people going to do? They are so much used to the Sunday gatherings and religious preachinig that it would be difficult for them to stay home.
Would they all be joining the Swaminarayan Group after all? .

Just joking here....
I am starting a religious group. They can join me. Details will be given later. But I wil ask for only 5% of thier income. You know, there is lot of competition in every business. I will also offer a free DVD of my pravchan so that they can see it again and again at home.

Jai Makwana baba!

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by JANI on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:39am

Don't forget to visit this site for more proof of Jayshree's Gorakh Dhandha.

www.swadhyayee.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP/

Also, I was going thru some messages on

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP/message/1300

and was so disgusted to read this message posted by Jayshree's chamcha...unbelievable.

How dare these goons even talk about "God is within you", " Same God is running your heart", " Ashmita-Jagruti", "Human-Upliftment"?

No remorse, No guilty Conscious.....

These people are seasoned liars and manipulators. This particular puppet Herambuster is acting like Jayshree's Public Relations Officer.

Read this meassge from one of Jayshree's puppet:

--- In SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP@yahoogroups.com, herambuster

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:33am

on Jun 29^th, 2006, 1:18pm, Guest-An Observer wrote:

I think if police would effectively find the guilty, and legal system would give severe punishment, it will be a warning signal to other Gurus too.
No spiritual leader, these days, seems to be living a simple honest, and exemplary life.

I hope so. Swadhyay has money and power to save thier motabhais and moti leader. Money works in india and unfortunately swadhyay has it (Thanks to all blind follwers including past swadhyayis). You are paying for your mistake. You (all past and present) swadhyayis are responsible for Pankaj Trivedi's death.

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by the irish robin hood on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:41am

on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:33am, Guest-M Makwana wrote:

. You are paying for your mistake. You (all past and present) swadhyayis are responsible for Pankaj Trivedi's death.

yes just as all cars users are helping destroy the ozone layer. and all men are responsible for rape. Good to see narrow minded thoughts out in the open. Did you operate a gas chamber around 1939 to 1945.

Re: Next Option
Post by An Observer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:45am

Mr. Irish Robbin Hood- Poster of #129.

We wish people do not use offending language on this site. They should state facts and their honest opinions. Yes, some humours like that of Makwana is admissible.

As you said
"The develpoment of this saga will have ripples that will be felt by Hindu sects all over this world. Wether we want Hinduism to be known for infighting is up to all of us."
I disagree. The ripples will be felt by Jayshree, and the blind followers of Pandurang, like "Devipujak Yuvan" and "Amdavadi" who will naver wake up.
I've heard other people considering options. And in Gujarat and Mumbai Swaminarayan is the only best option. Even here in UK and USA, people who do not know English, Chinmaya Mission is out o fthere reach.
As far as I know, the doors of Swaminarayan Group are open to all including Aghri, Vaghri, Machhi and others.
Use your "vision", my friend.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Damn Sect on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:47am

I believe,

Irish Robin Hood = Herambuster= HIRDIP= Trueswadhyayi1=Nilesh

laugh

What a speech by Didi?
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:01am

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Partially translated....
On 25th May Didi was addressing Swadhyayee in Connecticut. Apprantly Pankajbhai had talked to several of them about the mismanagement of funds and he had left for India just three days before this event. Some of the main things she said ....

We have to watch out, what do we have to watch out? If Kagdo is eating Dahi do we watch it or do we make him fly away?Are we going to allow him to eat Dahi? We believe that whatever Dada has said it will happen. It is our duty to accomplish what Dada believed in. We are currently working with people living in jungle but people do not know. What do we do people do not know. How many houses did we build for them is the questions you guys keep asking. Your e mails do not stop. It is easy to send email and get it off your chest. But if you HAVE GUTS COME IN FRONT OF ME. I AM SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU!
IF ANYONE HAS GUTS THEN COME IN FRONT OF ME AND SPEAK, IF YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO COME AND ASK GO AHEAD AND DO THAT I AM READY TO ANSWER! Dada's work can be done in Dada's way. WHOSOEVER GETS WHATEVER IDEAS... YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT EARTHQUAKE FUNDS, EARTHQUAKE FUNDS? HELL WITH YOUR AMERICAN MONEY. PEOPLE IN OUR VILLAGES ARE TALKING THAT ONE DAY THIS DOLLAR WILL FALL. ONE DAY ONE RUPEE WILL BE WORTH 35 DOLLARS, THEN YOU COME TO INDIA WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU. WHO ASKED YOU TO SEND MONEY FOR EARTHQUAKE. WE ARE NOT STARVING, STILL YOU SENT THE MONEY. DADA HAS SENT THE MONEY NOT PEOPLE, BUT YOU STILL SING THE SAME TUNE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WE DO? DON'T SEND A SINGLE PENNY. How many engineers are working? 150 engineers are coming. We have built roads, colleges, houses, Those who worked we salute them. ...............
IN ORDER TO SAVE DADA'S EXPERIMENTS WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO SHED THE BLOOD. IS IT NOT A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE BUILT HOUSES FOR ABORIGINES NEAR SABARMATI? STILL YOU KEEP ASKING ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE MONEY... TAKE BACK YOUR MONEY!!- Vijay Mehta

Pankaj Bhai Trivedi We salute you. You did pour your blood to save the IDEAS on which DADA first started swadhyay Movement.... We will follow you......

DIDI - Khoon ki Pyasi huh

or want to turn swadhyay movement into Al-Qaeda style Movement huh

Didi give me a Break!!! NICE STATEMENT FROM A LEADER OF SO CALLED PEACEFUL MOVEMENT.... DEKHO AAGEE AAGEE HOTA HAIN KYA.

GOD Bless Pankaj bhai's aatma..... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP/message/2349
Within 14 days of murder police concluded that it was connected to Swadhyay parivar and there was no personal issue between Pankajbhai and his assailants. Jagrut Swadhyayees take a note, does this sound like philosophical organization? Trivedi's murder does have Parivar link, say police

Attack wasn�t personal, it was due to the tussle between Trivedi and Parivar members, say cops; haven�t ruled out interrogation of Jayshree
FOURTEEN days after NRI Pankaj Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a club in the heart of the city, the police said that the murder was ''not personal" and that it had ''a Swadhyay Parivar link.''

Addressing a press conference, Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said: ''The motive behind Trivedi's murder is clear. The attack on him was not due to personal reasons. It followed a tussle between Trivedi and the members of the Swadhyay Parivar, which was a result of the happenings within the organisation (of which Trivedi was a part since 1972).''

Claiming that the police were close to cracking the case, he said the police had evidence that (as claimed by Trivedi in his letter) there has been misappropriation or misuse of funds within the Parivar.

Trivedi had, in a letter written to the US Secret Service, sought protection for himself and his family, and alleged that he was being targeted by members of the Parivar at the behest of both Jayshree Didi and her husband.

Trivedi had sought protection from members of the Parivar for allegedly speaking out about financial irregularities and misappropriation of funds. He had alleged that crores of rupees collected as donations from US and Britain for rehabilitation of Gujarat earthquake victims had not been utilised properly.

Jayshree Talwalkar is yet to be questioned in connection with the case. "The list of suspects does contain the name of several people associated with Swadhyay Parivar," Jha said, adding that Jayshree was not on the list.

When asked why she had not been quizzed, he said: ''At present, we do not have any evidence to interrogate her. However, we are not ruling out the possibility (of interrogating her).''

''We have narrowed down on the list of suspects who were behind the killing,'' police said.

Till now, only one arrest has been made in connection with the murder: Manish Savshani, the head of Swadhyay Parivar's Rajkot unit, was picked up by Ahmedabad police on Tuesday.

Savshani, also a Swadhyay Parivar member, was arrested after the police reopened the case of the attack on London-based Parivar member Vinu Sanchania in Jamnagar in January 2003.

Police are also investigating the phone records of some of the suspects, Jha said.

During the interrogation of Bharat Bhatt, the head of the Parivar in Ahmedabad, it had come to light that Jayshree had rung him up from London just 30 minutes after Trivedi was killed.

Cellphone records of Ramnik Patel from Veraval, another Swadhyay Parivar member who spoke to Savshani on the night of the murder, are also being probed. ''The call was made at the odd hour of 2.30 in the night. Savshani doesn't have a convincing explanation,'' Jha said.

''Now, it is common knowledge that organised attacks were carried out against Trivedi and his friends and similarly court cases were filed against them in an organised manner," Jha said.

Speaking about the similarities in the Sanchania and the Trivedi case, he said: ''The two cases might be different but are linked by the fact that they were a conspiracy against the victims.'' The victims had alleged misappropriation of funds.

Meanwhile, the investigating officer in the murder case has been changed. Ellisbridge Senior Police Inspector N K Rathod has been replaced by Vidhi Gohil, a traffic department officer who was investigating officer in the 2003 Vinu Sanchania murder case.

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:06am

on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:41am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:

Do not misunderstand. Who made dada and didi so big and and who made them god? Who were doing thier marketing? Not me for sure.

Re: Next Option
Post by the irish robin hood on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:08am

Mr. Irish Robbin Hood- Poster of #129.

I've heard other people considering options. And in Gujarat and Mumbai Swaminarayan is the only best option.

thats a pretty bold statement to make. The swamis im sure have their own backyard piled up with dirty linen. No Sect is immune to the lure of money and power. A shameful state of affairs.

The hindi relgion divided falls, but united may have a chance of survival in a fast paced ever changing world. Too many sects to many idiots in control. Dont know what the answer is, but what we have now has flaws, as have been made evident in the last few weeks, regardless of which sect or group was or is involved

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:16am

Thanks, Ravi Patel for posting from Divya Bhaskar.

I heard that on the east coast of USA, some Motabhais are requesting Jayshree to keep quiet -meaning the more you speak, the more you lose- and she is asking them to shut up.
Here, in the post #135, she said "dhool pade tamara Americana paisama. Bhukampna paisanu shun, Lo lai jao"
Is she sincerely ready to return every penny? Does she mean what she speaks?
I have read that Pandurang hardly spoke truth about money.

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by the irish robin hood on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:19am

Do not misunderstand. Who made dada and didi so big and and who made them god? Who were doing thier marketing? Not me for sure. [/quote]

Well thats a pretty naive and simplistic way of taring people with a very broad brush. The statment holds no merit and is very much what you would expect from a buffon on a gossip show.

Im pretty sure the people on this forum can rise above that and disect the facts from the juvinile fiction and petty mud slinging.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:25am

Swadhyay leaders never speak truth. So do u think Jayshree will return money? Very optimistic! I think she will stay in NY or somewhere in USA for another few months and will come back to India in October/November as winter start in november in USA.

By the way what is Suvrat (little future GOd) doing now a days? Is he staying in India or visiting USA with Jayshree?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:36am

Here, in the post #135, she said "dhool pade tamara Americana paisama. Bhukampna paisanu shun, Lo lai jao"

HOW IS DIDI GOING TO PAY BACK THE AMERICANS huh

SHE ALREADY SPEND THE MONEY ON BUILDING NEW HOUSES IN KUTCH huh

HA HA HA HA
IF SHE DOES NOT LIKE AMERICANS WHAT'S SHE STILL DOING HERE huh

ONLY STUPID INDIAN IN AMERICA WHO DONT CARE FOR THEIR OWN DIDI AND BHAI'S GO AFTER THIS STUPID DIDI.....

Is she sincerely ready to return every penny? Does she mean what she speaks? DID DIDI OR HER HUBBY EVER WORK huh

KOI KAR TO KARO MERI DIDI

I have read that Pandurang hardly spoke truth about money. DADA amaara eva sav ne gaame teva, dada nu to ek... SEE MORE ABOUT DADA HERE.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dru8y_Nrpc&search=SWADHYAY

IF YOU HAVE MORE VIDEOS PLEASE EMAIL IT TO ME AT ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KIRIT on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:39am

DADA amaara eva, sauv ne Chettare teva,
dada nu to ek vachan, do bad be bad oh my son.........
rolleyes

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayi on Jun 30^th, 2006, 12:10pm

Is there any official swadhyay (yuva kendra or motabhai created) website where they allow public discussion, where anyone can go and discuss huh

or its only for pre brain washed people doing "didi ki jay" "dada ki jai" like Heard of Sheeps.... who ever becomes LION or knows true meaning of GITA is killed huh

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KIRIT on Jun 30^th, 2006, 12:16pm

This is for Jayshree's fanatic blind supporters.......

Khali Aankh Lal Lal

Nathi Dimag Ma Kei Maal

Aevi Raste Razadati Yuvani Dithi

Aaje Swadhyay ni Padti ni nisani dithi..........

shocked

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 1:57pm

Only Eyes are not red, but even baseball bat is red too with people's blood! Jayshree mange khoon.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MANOJ on Jun 30^th, 2006, 2:10pm

Papa (Athvale) Kahte the Bada Nam Karegi......

Beti Hamari Aisa Kam Karegi..................

kiss

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30^th, 2006, 2:17pm

I can sense that Gujarat Government or their Police is not making any progress or they don't want to make any progress.

I expect everyone to write to Chief Minister Narendra Modi and President of India.

Narendra Modi may have blocked annonymous emils as mine bounced back few times.

Please print this section and mail to Narendra Modi at this address:

Chief Minister's Office

Block No 1, 5th Floor, New Sachivalaya,

Gandhinagar 382 010,

Gujarat, INDIA.

E-mail of Hon'ble Chief Minister: cm@gujaratindia.com

Tel: +91-79-23232611 to 18 (O)

Fax:+91-79-23222101

Dear Narendrabhai,

Hope this email finds you in good spirit.

Before, I start let me just say this, I am also a long time swadhyayi. That doesn't give me any right to defend any organization or people who are suspected for a brutal murder.

If you had not entered politics with Swami Vivekanada's ideals in your heart, I probably won't be writing this email to you.

At present, you are passing through most important, most critical time as a Chief Minister of Gujarat. The whole conutry, not just Gujarat is watching evrey step you take. In fact, the world is eagerly watching
for the outcome of Mr. Pankajbhai Trivedi's murder case. You can write your own destiny by not let any politician interfere with the investigation and prove to the country that you are indeed performing your " RAJDHARMA" like Great King Bharat. Your integrity, your honesty is at stake and this murder case can in fact lead you to the highest position of Prime Minister of India one day.

I am deeply hurt and disturbed by some of the comments your ministers, Mr. Chhatrasinh Mori, Purushottam Rupala etc made in public in favor of
Swadhyay.

I am sure you realize how appropriate it is to openly favor a religious organization suspected in this murder.

How can we Gujaratis then expect a fair and impartial investigation
from this administration? They owe an apology to the people of Gujarat
immedaitely and you need to take strong disciplinary actions against them
to set an example.

These ministers are openly recommending renewing the land on which
Bhav-Nirzar is built. Narendrabhai, we live in 21st century and this type
of favoratism will only guarentee political damage to you personally and
to BJP as a whole.

These ministers are not assets to your administration, they are your
liablity.

If you believe in GOD, which I am sure you do, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT
RENEWING LEASE to SWADHYAY.

I can not wait until you not only refuse to renew the land, but take
back the land Government of Gujarat has sold to SWADHYAY at half the
market value.

When the whole world is fighting terrorism, Spiritual terrorism has no
place in Gandhiji's Gujarat.

Let me remind you one more thing; any one who will fight for the cause
of getting the murderers punished will probably might meet the same
fate. False criminal cases will also be filed against them which empower
corrupt police officials to arrest and hammer them in lock-ups also make
them vulnerable for fatal assaults at the hands of mobs. The slow
judiciary cost heavy against whom the cases are filed and finish them
financially.

If government of Gujarat had arrested criminals who assualted an N.R.I.
Mr. Vinoobhai Sachania, the life of Mr. Pankajbhai would have been
saved.

Would you let this ugly dance of violence continue? I hope not.

If you do, who will dare to visit Gujarat? Do you think after murder of
an N.R.I, any N.R.I will even think about visiting Gujarat now a days?

One last thing, I do not like your automatic one line reply stating "
Chief Minister have received your email and we acknoledge the receipt."

I expect you to take some time as I did and reply yourself.

Let's do some justice to a brave and noble man who invited his death
for a cause of justice.

A Swadhyayi.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Tandel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 2:46pm

Progress in police invesigation is very slow on Pankaj Trivedi's suiside case. our didi will survive once again. Ram rakhe aane kaun chakhe.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 2:54pm

didi is clean and she is not invloved. All bhai's are not involved too. We are all inocent.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHATT on Jun 30^th, 2006, 3:34pm

And Jayshree doesn't have any money either..she is bankrupt, she is a very honest person, very spiritual lady with aclean heart and clear conscious............Ha Ha laugh

Hey guys, are you on drug or something huh

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by ARJUN on Jun 30^th, 2006, 3:42pm

Bhai Tandel and Ramnik,

The game is over now. I wish we can continue fooling swadhyayis and make them believe that she is innocent but it will be extrmely difficult task.

What can I say, more than half of my relatives don't believe me....poor me sad

Pap Taru Parkash Jayshree ben
Adharm Taro Sambhar Re...

Tane Jail man Java Nahi dau...

Aem Arjun kahe chhe ji........

Jetla Matha na Var, O kubja Jayshree
Jetla Matha na var re...

Aetla juthana to me chalavya......

Tara baap ne Avatar to mein banavyo.....
Meetingo man Brainwashing to Mein karyu....

Aem Arjun kahe chhe ji...........

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mahesh on Jun 30^th, 2006, 3:53pm

didi travels to USA and UK evey year in 1st class. She uses her own money. she does not take money from swadhyay fund.

She believes in simple life style. I do not know how she makes money for her living or how pandurang was making money but they both did undergo few medical operation in usa. They used thier own money.

They believe in what they say "Mafat nu laish nahi"

Didi is currently workingin NY for her return ticket to India. Lets see when she comes back. Didi, we are waiting for you. Aa grin

p jaldo se baher aao aur darshan de do. Sab swadhyayi kafi ootsuk hai aapke darshan ke liye.

Zalak dikhla ja.... ek baar aa ja aa ja aa ja
Didar ko tarse aankhiya...

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 3:58pm

Arjunbhai,

We are working so hard in all " PRAYOGS for PAISA" for Didi in Gujarat and sending her Crores of rupees every year, then Why she registered all the TRUSTS including "Sharadhdha" Trust in Maharashtra and not in Gujarat?

Don't you think this is unfair?

I was so much brainwashed that I couldn't even committ a sin of "thinking" and "rationalizing" ....

Thanks to Pankjabhai who gave his life to open up my eyes..........

Long live Pankajbhai...........

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 3:59pm

I repeat Didi is innocent. cry

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mahadev Mangela on Jun 30^th, 2006, 4:06pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060701/guj/gujarat/news1_02.html

didi, u r safe. Please come back. Who will do Asthi visargan of Pandurang? Please come back. yu will not be arrested or questioned.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 4:14pm

Didi is Durga....
Puppets badha Munga.............

Didi is Jagdamba....
Aena Atyacharo van thambhya...............

Didi is Bhavani..............
Paper man Vancho aeni Kahani...........

Didi is Kali.............
Chal Hat samethi Sali....................

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hero on Jun 30^th, 2006, 5:00pm

Didi is hathi
Hathi sabka saathi

Re: Manish Savsani in Jail
Post by Secret Satelite on Jun 30^th, 2006, 5:43pm

At dinner time the guard brings dinner for Manish, and
starts eating from the plate sitting outside. Manish is watching it helplessly. After finishing 2/3 of it the guard gives it to Manish.

Guard: 'Enjoy your dinner.'
Manish: 'Only this much. What did you consume from it?'
Guard: 'Bhagwan no Bhaag'
Manish: 'But you are not God'
Guard: 'Ahum Brahmasmi".

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30^th, 2006, 5:59pm

on Jun 30^th, 2006, 5:00pm, Guest-Hero wrote:

Didi is hathi
Hathi sabka saathi

di di amri evi,
hathi na bacha jevi,

di di nu to ek vachn
____________ huh

?

Fill this blank....

Re: Manish Savsani in Jail
Post by mangela on Jun 30^th, 2006, 6:41pm

I

Re: Jagrut Pariwar
Post by An Observer on Jun 30^th, 2006, 6:58pm

We accessed to Jagrut Pariwar thru www.swadhyayee.org, and were really surprized and sad to find the rotten times going on internally in Swadhyay Pariwar. We, as common Swadhyayees, were kept in total dark. Pandurang acted virtually like Idi Amin, and Jayshree a senseless, worthless and useless American teenager. Some Motabhais have really swallowed thier pride and had to act as stupid slaves.
Whille reading the whole of it, we strongly feel that it should be published in a book form as soon as possible and distributed to general public. It will generate a solid support from public. Hit when the iron is hot.
With modern digital printing facility, it is fast and easy.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Harish on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:05pm

dollor lav sterling lav bahu lav dhan (money)

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Question on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:06pm

Does any1 know where is Jaydhree hiding? She has gone quiet.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:08pm

R

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by ARJUN on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:15pm

Jayshree Uvach:

Aapne aa karya ( meaning cheating) Dada ae bataveli padhdhat pramane (total dictatorship) Ja Karvanu Chhe.

Aapne aa karya ne biji pedhi ( two generations) sudhi lae jabau chhe ( So that her nephew Suvrat can become GADIPATI).

Why Athvale did not emphasize on Yogas and mediatation? These are in fact TRUE ways to achieve GOD.

Now you see, he was only interested in creating his image as an "AVATAR" ( Thanks to his chamchas) and collect money from poor followers.

Guru thai nathi re besi rahevu ARJUN mare...
AVATAR thai ne chhe pujavu............

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MAHADEV MANGELA on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:17pm

Jayshree is so desparate to continue " BAP NO DHANDHO" which is "PAP NO DHANDHO"..........

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:18pm

That is why I say that you all swadhyayis (present and past) are responsible for Pankaj's death.
Now it is too late.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by R Singh on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:19pm

I

Was Shivkumar Joshi also a victim of Swadhyay?
Post by Vijay Chohan on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:39pm

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Babulnath Mandir's trustee and manager of mandir had died under very suspicious circumstances, There were lot of rumors about cause of his death being brian hemmorhage or heart attack or something else.
One person on condition of not being quoted said that Shivkumar was right hand man for Didi. And his death did not occur due to natural causes. But Gaodevi police officer Parulker went to the location and decided that death was due to natural causes. After that his body was creamated at Chandanwadi Samshan. Many members of Parivar and trusteees of mandir were present to pay last respect.

Shivkumar Joshi was coming out of bathroom after taking a shower and it was said that he slipped and fell which caused brain hemmorhage. He started bleeding fron nose and became unconscious.

Two three years ago when Hawala fraud came in news it was being traced to Babulnath Tekri. At that time Shivkumar was very much worried and he was suffering from blood pressure. The rumor in temple is that his death had to do with Hawala fraud and Swadhyay Pariwar.

For some reasong there was no post mortem examination of his body.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Vijay Chohan on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:40pm

Article in Gujarati.. It is suspected that within a short time one of the member of Amadawad police department was the one to inform Didi about the murder. As it turns out later this news will turn out to be correct...Ghanshyam Chudasama, didi's body guard in Gujarat and asst to police chief in Allisbridge area was that man.

http://bombaysamachar.com/new/details.asp?newsid=32056#headlines

amdavaad police informed harramkhor jayshree

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by nikita on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:49pm

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:49pm

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ram Kothari on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:51pm

I

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by aarparcom on Jun 30^th, 2006, 7:57pm

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 30^th, 2006, 8:24pm

Dear Nikita,

Here is what you said "one last question, I know that swadhyay scandal first came out in 2001 or so. What this past swadhyayis were doing till that time? They were not oppsosing it because they were part of swadhyay and they were toohaving some vested interest? "

According to my understanding there are good people in swadhyay movement, we cannot blame all swadhyayi for the mistake of their leader. There are people who joined swadhyay for upliftment of Human race, bringing people closer etc..... who ever tried to say TRUTH was enemy of swadhyay, thus enemy of GOD.... Now, as of today we all know the truth about swadhyay wrong doing, how they played with human emotions.... within my own family there are like 30-40 members who dont wanna discuss this with me. I ask why?? they dont have any answer for it .... so we cannot blame every swadhyayi for what their leaders have done. If you know or have any friends or relatives going to swadhyay... just ask them this simple questions and try to get their reaction, post it here!

Q : why did DADA who always spoke about SWADHYAY (self-study) and simple life, could not evaluate himself or his bhagwaan within nor could he leave MOH (affection) for her daghter?? When we already were doing good with "jay shree krishna", what was the reason to introduce "jay yogeshwar" which all swadhyayee say is the KRISHNA BHAGWAN.

Q. If DIDI was not after money then why dint she give back the Swadhyay leased land at Bhavnirjer, Gujarat Ahmedabad to Government once the leased expired in 2002??

Q. "Yogeshwar-Krushi" what happaned to the land that was taken from poor villagers and Adivasis in the name of "Bhagwaan no Bhag"??

Q. what kind of VIR are you if you cannot fight against injustice?? As explained in GITA Arjun fought his own when Shree Krishna explained him that they were not in the side of truth, evey though they were most respected amoung all like Bhishma, Kripacharya and Guru Dron. God gave us this example in GITA because he knew that there will be a day when a person has to fight against his own....

Q. Ask them to let you know one thing that DADA taught them that their Parents, Teachers or Grand Parent dint tell them.

Q. Is swadhyay learing Slokas in GITA or singing them when you get togeather huh

According to me swadhyay is "Beyond Gita", we all know since childhood what Gita is ... what Ramayana is... but now what huh

Do we have guts to hear truth, evaluate truth, and act accordingly!

Q. Is there any Swadhyay official website or yuva kendra discussion group where the REAL swadhyayi could come and express his thinking huh

or only choosen invited?? what a joke.

I REQUEST EVERYONE READING THIS DISCUSSION TO ASK THIS QUESTION TO SO CALLED SWADHYAYI, WHO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND TRY TO CONVERT YOU INTO IT. I AM BORN SWADHYAYI, AND I'LL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE TRUTH, I KNOW I WONT HAVE 100000 OF PEOPLE WITH ME AS ARJUN DINT TOO IN MAHABHARATA BUT MY GOD WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY KRISHNA WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY YOGESHWAR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME.

DIL NI WAATO.... SEE VIDEO HERE... AND LET THE WORLD KNOW THE TRUTH....

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NILESH on Jun 30^th, 2006, 8:31pm

Nikita,

Let me try to answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge and ability.

When Dada was alive. almost everyone respected him and no one even doubted his motives or intentions. After all he was by far much smarter and cunning than the followers.

He disguised followers by pretending that he didn't care for money. He also cleverly hide his intentions of GADI-PRATHA establishment until the year 2001-2002. Dada's few handful puppets though did started to project her but the mass were unaware of his intentions.

When he officially established GADI-PRATHA, many of his close disciples were disapponied as Dada always maintained that after him, AMNAI, the constitution of swadhyay will be followed and not one person will control the wealth and power.

When he announced that Didi will take over, these intelligent and alert people started to ask themselves, " May be there is lot more than we think". So they started digging deeper and were shocked to find out about crores of rupees and many other things.

Even some of his close disciples were aware of Dada's weakness of running after name and fame but they were not allowed to question anything.

If you have watched MAHABHARAT serial, you may know that DHRUTRASHTRA, father of DURYODHAN did the same thing, he was blind for his love for his son, PUTRA-MOHA.
Dada's actions are no different than DHRUTRASHTRA.

To the bset of my knowledge, Dada did not work in his life, neither did Didi.

When you ask any of the KHOTABHAIS, all you will hear that her in-laws are cery wealthy but will never give you any specific details about her husband and how he became so wealthy.

If poor swadhyayis are paying from their hard earned money when they go for LAV-FERI (marketing trips) , is Didi paying from her own money for the worldwide trips few times a year in FIRST-CLASS, especially when it is very hot in summer in India?

The bottom line is that She is a dictator like Sadam Hussein, has no spiritual inclination what so ever. Her knowledge on Vedas and Upnishads is also extremely shallow. Watch her lecture sometime and you will be convinced that she is not only rude and aroogant but she is stupid too.

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:08pm

'Rakshak is Bhakshak'

Where will this end?

We can not trust Religious leaders(Didi and Dada)

We can not trust Police ( Ahemadabad Police own man Ghanshyamsinh is involved in murder)

We can not trust Ruling Party( Their own MLA, MP, Minister openly supports Didi, the killer)

Do Narendra Modi have guts to find the truth and punish Didi or may be Didi have his skeletons in her cupboard?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by AJAY JOSHI on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:39pm

would you please leave my darling Jayshree alone huh

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by AMIT on Jun 30^th, 2006, 10:42pm

Three monkeys of swadhyay:

First monkey with eyes closed.............I will not see TRUTH

Second monkey with lips sealed.......I will not speak TRUTH

Third monkey with ears closed............I will not hear TRUTH

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mrs Sawnani on Jun 30^th, 2006, 11:58pm

Manish Sawnani is innocent. He is not well .help him...
cry

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayee on Jul 1^st, 2006, 12:41am

Forth Monkey is DIDI ..........see what she says..

Do bad.

Re: 'Fargati' from Swadhyaya
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 1^st, 2006, 06:11am

The first time I became convinced of the involvement of the Swadhyayis in the senseless and brutal murder of Shri Pankajbhai Trivedi, I took removed the pictures of Pandurang Shastri from the walls of my home.

If the responsible person/s are not punished in near future, I am going to remove the set of other three pictures.

I vow to dedicate myself to educate the each and every person I have known through Swadhyay about the misdeeds of Pandurang Shastri 'aani' company. In fact, I already converted one family. We are now doing our own 'Bhavferi'.

You can also do likewise, if you like.

You can equip yourself by understanding the philosophy of Ayn Rand. It would do you good if you read the monologue of Howard Rourke where he describes the spirit of man in The Fountainhead. The long narrative of John Galt in Atlas Shrugged would aid you in fighting the established evils of the society: government and organized religion.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Didi on Jul 1^st, 2006, 06:27am

Mara Vhala Bhaio,

Tame Ghanu badhun kahyun.

Aapghaat karvaanaaj vichaaro aavechhe.

Koi dhaankniman paani bhari ne aape to hamnaaj hun aapghaat kari lavun. Have hun saav tevi naffat nathi rahi. Saachuj maanjo.

Didi

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 1^st, 2006, 07:09am

on Jun 30^th, 2006, 09:22am, Guest-An Observer wrote:

Go One, Go All!!!!!

www.oshoworld.com

Every discourse is free. Hindi or English, take your pick. Pandurang would seem so 'fikka'.

Instead of Srimad Bhagwad Gita, true Swadhyayi needs to understand Ashtavakra Gita.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by amita on Jul 1^st, 2006, 09:30am

on Jul 1^st, 2006, 12:41am, Guest-swadhyayee wrote:

Forth Monkey is DIDI ..........see what she says..

Do bad.

This is an insult. You have insulted a monkey here. Arrre bhai, woh bhi to ek prani hai. Baksh to monkey ko.
Jayshree is rakshah (a big fat rakshah)

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 1^st, 2006, 09:50am

I was surprized to read the love-letters of Jayshree and Ajay- both married persons...but more so ...I was appalled to read the mentioning of .........some Kusumben and some Mudrika .....with Pandurang!
Is it true? If so, that is the last stroke on the camel's back.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by kalia on Jul 1^st, 2006, 09:55am

Too early to celebrate.
Witch Jayshree is still free and not in india. She has money and power and she can do anything.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Houston Calling on Jul 1^st, 2006, 10:33am

Does anyone know if fat lady had an account in SWISS BANK?

We need to find out where she is hiding money and her big fat body.

I believe her puppets are also getting a cut otherwise who would defend her after this murder and try to brainwash Bhola Gujaratis that She is still ADARNIYA and INNOCENT?

ADARNIYA........MY FOOT.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 1^st, 2006, 10:42am

Didi's right hand man Shivkumar Joshi suddenly died in very strange and suspicious circumstances per media reports. His name was apperaed in HAVALA Scandle few years ago and was liivng under stress.
Read Akial News.

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This is just a tip of an iceburg..............

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Secret Satelite on Jul 1^st, 2006, 11:13am

Does anyone know if there is any " Ajay Joshi " for this "Neel" on the east coast of USA?

Dada's health in final years
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1^st, 2006, 12:23pm

What I think people are neglecting to take into consideration is Dada's overall health and mental status in the last few years of his life.....

When I met him in person about a year before he died, I was shocked to see how senile and child like he had become. He would start crying at the drop of a hat, was drooling over himself, spitting up food, etc...

My theory is that Dada did try to pre-emptively protect the reputation of swadhyay by creating the "Amnai (sp?)". I think that Didi had a very strong hand in keeping him alive through his illnesses. That way, she could manipulate him in his childlike existence into doing and saying whatever she planted into his head...

Some posters here are mad that he did nothing to stop Didi.....I don't think he had the mental capacity for it...

Does anyone else out there have any experiences with Dada during his last few years of his life? If so, please speak up.....

I think that is most likely explanation. In his last few years he may not have been all there and that may be the reason, Didi and company may have been able to hijack the organization. With Dada commanding so much respect inner group may have kept quiet with dire consequences. If Dada wanted to use this for his personal wealth hewould not have drafted constitution and put honest people in charge of trusts. The change in direction may coincide with failing health. I wish other swadhyayee would speak up and tell us what they know. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1^st, 2006, 12:28pm

Also, it is quite obvious that one person is posting using a bunch of different names.

You're not fooling anyone, so please stop the charade, and post what you want to say in one message.

Your identity is protected, so say what you want.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Good Gujarati on Jul 1^st, 2006, 12:37pm

Dear Mr Modi,

Please see this video and be your own Judge.

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

I have been in USA for last 11 years and been watching and hearing a lot good about u and your work. I have been involved with Swadhyay Movement since 1990 and now after death of Respected Pankajbhai Trivedi I know the truth of DADA and DIDI. I was always in wrong impression that the Land at at Bhavnirjer was owned by dadaji its the same with yogeshwar Krishi scandal. Even if DIDI does not be proven guilty in Mr Pankaj Trivedi's murder (and am sure she will not 100%) as I see everyone quite including you speaking TRUTH. Dont forget ALL eyes are on you ..... open your GITA and read it again.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 1^st, 2006, 1:14pm

Mr. Unbelievable,

Let me keep the record staright...Why Dada did not forcefully implement Swadhyay's ACHARSAMHITA, AMNAI which he crafted with the help of other dedicated swadhyayis?

Why did he hide his affection, love for his daughter and his intentions of GADI-PRATHA establishment?

Weren't crores of rupees accumulated and so many trusts
created while he was healthy and young?

It is very likely that in very early days, I am talking about 50s, his intention was not to cheat people and make money but as money started coming in, as a human being, he could not resist the temptation of money.

Dada was well aware that his daughter had no credentials to lead a spiritual organization, then why did he handover the GADI to her?

Dada's weakness was to run after name and fame...check out his records from TIRTHRAJ-MILAN to ASHITI-VANDANA.

Dada was one of the most hypocratic and selfish religious leader in recent history.

sad

Rs 200 thousand crore taken from Gujarat
Post by Guest on Jul 1^st, 2006, 1:23pm

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According to a secret report to Government of Gujarat 200 thousand crore Rupees from Gujarat has been transferred to Mumbai trusts. According to Bharat Bhatt (Motabhai of Gujarat who was arrested for Pankajbhai's Murder) Didi can get anything done from Narendrabhai Modi.

Ghanshyam Didi's muscle man
Post by M Makwana on Jul 1^st, 2006, 1:45pm

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How did virus enter the Swadhyay Program
Post by Niraj on Jul 1^st, 2006, 1:47pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Didi on Jul 1^st, 2006, 1:49pm

cry

Have tame badha mane maf kari do,,,,,, huh

hu have tame ke chho tem karish....ane aa swadhyay nu to mane khabr nathi ke su thase pan je chale chhe te ne chalva do

tamari pyari
DIDI

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 1^st, 2006, 4:29pm

on Jul 1^st, 2006, 1:47pm, Guest-Niraj wrote:

It is easy to say but difficult yo believe on what u say. Look at the history of swadhyay. Whose photo is next to lord krishna? It is bcos Pandu wanted to become god. It was a long term planning by smart pandu

Do not defend pandurang.
1> Why he was travelling to usa almost every year? Whose money was used? Who paid for his medical operations in usa?
2> Why he did not oppose his bday celebrations throught his life? How much money was spent on thses celebration?
There r many questions... please answer this 2 b4 defending him? He was not a saint. He liked name and fame.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 1^st, 2006, 5:32pm

Dear Mr. Makwana,

Who defends Pandurang? The really knowledgable Motabhais and inner circle people are keeping away from this website. They are either afraid to speak , or are ordered by Jayshree to keep quiet.
On attending last Sunday's Swadhyay we found that they are acting as if nothing has happened.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by AJAY JOSHI on Jul 1^st, 2006, 5:56pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1^st, 2006, 6:06pm

Makwana,

I'm not saying Dada was immune from the corruption of power money and fame......but all allegations from both sides must be balanced by facts....we have to remember that we don't know the behind the scene activities behind stuff we eventually see.

my problem with the current swadhyay administration is that the facts are being suppressed by circular logic and in Pankaj Trivedi and Mr. Sachania's case, physical intimidation.

Dada, in the last years of his life, was not capable of counting to 10, let alone enforcing any of his previous decisions.

I want to know to what extent his and Didi's interaction was w/ Ramdas, Hemraj, et al in the final years. I wish one of these guys would write a memoir already (or maybe they have, but are waiting to publish it for fear of death).

To answer one of your questions, the wealthier motabhais of the USA apparently covered his medical expenses (my friend's father is a big motabhai). I don't know the answer to the second question.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by True Swadhyayi on Jul 1^st, 2006, 6:09pm

By now we all know that Personal Assistant to Investigating police officer A.K.Jadeja, Mr. Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama has close contacts with Swadhyayi Motabhais and had made several phone calls to them and also to Didi right after Pankjabhai�s murder. Gujarat Government or their Police is not making any progress or they don't want to make any progress. So many contradictory statements had been issued in last 14 days.

Now police is stating that Manish Savsani is not proving any helpful info. So what is next? No evidences found and case closed huh

If all other people listed by Pankajbhai were called for interrogation, why not Jayshree? Come on guys, this tells it all.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1^st, 2006, 6:41pm

Nirmal Nayano thi Nirakha jo
Gundi Santayi Didi name.........

rolleyes

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1^st, 2006, 9:05pm

Didi could not become a Mother so decided to become a "Godmother"...........

shocked

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1^st, 2006, 9:29pm

Suresh (or whatever your name is)...

Let's try to keep the conversation on this thread a little more of an intellectual discussion of facts....

while some of your posts are quite humorous, it tends to take away from the seriousness of the subject matter...what do you think Vijay?
I agree it it tempting to get into name calling or making fun of people. But, let us remember Pankaj Trivedi sacrificed his life for exposing corruption and sending a wake up call to others to ask for accountibility. By making false allegation or making fun of Didi etc we may be turning people away. I wish some great swadhyayee would join the discussion and enlighten us. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M makwana on Jul 1^st, 2006, 9:53pm

My 3rd question is why his photo was kept next to GOD? This was done when he was in good health. Why did not he oppose?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Babulnath Temple on Jul 1^st, 2006, 9:57pm

Why Tai disappeared from Mumbai on Sunday after death of Shivkumar Joshi on Friday?

Did she fear needle of suspicion would come on her?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1^st, 2006, 9:58pm

Dear Unbelievable,

The FACTS surrounding Pankajbhai's brutal murder, doesn't require a rocket-scientist to figure out who is behind this crime.

You talk about intellectual discussion, I have done lot more than that in last 15 days for your information. I have written to Chief Minister, Prime Minister, President of India and many other authorities and made several phone calls as well. Have you done anything to bring killers to Justice?

Again, after working so hard, we need some humor once in a while. Hope you understand that.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1^st, 2006, 10:10pm

This swadhyay started as "God's work" but transformed into "God Mother's work".....

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Jayshree will never be caught on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 06:54am

Possible Reasons:

1. She helped BJP Politicians laundered money using her trusts.
2. She is giving regular payments to BJP Government. She can do all her crimes freely in Gujarat but never in Maharashtra.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 07:15am

I talked to some of my friends and relatives and this is what they have to say about Dadaji "He started this movement for upliftmet of poor and farmers. When he started he use to walk miles and sometimes on bicycle in order to bring lots of people into the movement as he himself did not have enough money to commute"....... This proves that dadaji was from a middle class family like us (I mean like a nonmal middle class indian) other then teaching he did not do any real work in his life. suppose he made at most Rs 100,000 a year and worked as a teacher for say 10 years... and not spend a single paisa on himsef as he was very simple living, he would have saved Rs 10,00,000...... any thing more then that with this family is CHORI from people ......

If they really and only cared for poor and farmers ... what and why do they take frequent trips to Foreign countries?? Is swadhyay doing anything right now helping poor farmers who are dying in Gujarat and Mahashtra huh

As far as my conscious effort my GOD within tells me to support and do SWADHYAY with and for Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, they have all the wealth in this world but want to spend rest of life helping poor and diseased in poor country. I consider them Real Swadhyayi and my Guru then GURU"S who instead of helping poors in india spend 40% of their time in UK or USA. what do you think huh

Swadhyay is not about how much you know GITA and the verses, its about Beyond GITA. What if Arjun never faught against injustice after hearing "Gita sandesh" from Krishna bhagwaan huh

Open your eyes and listen to your heart as it is said Bhagwaan is within you not in the temple, time has come to comunicate with your bhagwaan and tell the truth.

I'm hurting so deeply,
Doesn't anybody understand?
Out of all these people,
Not a one will hold my hand.

Doesn't anybody care
About how much I've lost?
Is anybody out there--
Someone that I can trust?

My heart is loudly crying,
But no one can hear,
'Cause no one is trying
To remove what I fear.

They turn their faces away,
Trying not to see my pain.
There is so much they could say,
But they always refrain.

Can anybody hear me?
Does anyone know
A place where I'll be free?
A refuge where I can go?

Take me away from all the sorrow
To a quiet placee--
A refuge until tomorrow
I can rest in God's embrace.

Jai shree Krishna and Jay Yogeshwar...

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You have Broken My trust on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 07:29am

Dear Didi,

How can I trust someone if that someone has broken my trust,
My heart is empty,
Its cold as ice,
As it reach to break,
It leaks out of water,
That water drips and slips away,
That trust,
That moment,
All within those you have broken,
I may not trust you or your friends but that don�t mean we can�t be friends,
Just friends without that trust,
You have to work your trust with me,
You have to make me understand why should I ever trust you again,
You have to repair that broken trust,
You have to work hard,
That don�t mean be hateful towards me,
Just show me that I can trust you once more.

Is this what every TRUE Swadhyayi is asking himself?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Right Man on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 07:37am

She hasn't broke your trust....
She did it with all swdhyai people....Because of i am also swadhyayi from usa...
You right

Luchhi didi

Swadhyay behind the murder
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 08:11am

Dear,

Police Commisoner P K Jha said "swadhyay Parivar is after Killing of Pankaj Bhai Trivedi", I hope he is not transfered from this case or given presure from politicians .... God Give him strength to fight for Truth..
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Motabhai on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 08:44am

Come on Guys! Don't despair.

Writng & reading all these negetive comments will not bring "RAM RAJYA" - the ultimate dream of Dada.

Look, what did the Western Govt said when so many innocent civilains died in the present Iraq war. They claimed as :"collatral damage", meaning some one has to die for a good cause.

To achieve this dream Swadhaya, the politicians, the police, other religious Orgs and the remaining institutions will have to work together and work hard to make this dream a reality and come true.

Didi is working towards this dream.

So guys, stop wasting your time on your computers and go out and campaing for the common goal of "RAM RAJYA".

One day, 'Our Bharat', 'your Bharat', 'my Bharat' will be be philosophically & religiously prosperous.

There will be full employment therefore no shortage of Roti (must read Keyns theory on Economics), no shortage of housing, no shortage of clothes and Mera Desh Bharat will be a crime free society. This is the sort of intellectual society we are trying to create therefore do not lament on loss of one colleteral damage.

Think positive and be positive.

Dad has always said not be be intelectually bankcrupt!

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Narayan on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 09:20am

Respone to motabhai
Dear Bhai (Gunda) First tell us where is jayshree? Then do your bakwaas. Jayshree is a witch and hiding in usa.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by simple man on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 10:29am

Did any one paid any attention to three phone numbers from USA published in Gujarati newspapers which Dhanshree used to Call Bharat Bhatt and others? From the area code you can tell that one was from Virginia, one was from California and one was from Chicago area.

These phone numbers MUST be cell numbers as she called using these three numbers in an hour time frame and it is impossible to reach California from Virginia in an hour.

Meaning these three persons were with Dhanshree when the calls were made.

Any comments?

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gujju Boy on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 10:39am

This is from an email I received few months back from someone. I do not know this person, but it really made me think and realize how people had been cheated in the name of God.

Why emphasis ONLY ON MARKETING and not on YOGA, meditation and concentration?

Swadhyaees are told that Bhakti-feri is for their own development and is not meant for marketing of Swadhyay, then:

1) Why only cities or towns with significant Indian (and mainly Gujarati) population are identified and targeted for Bhakti-feri by motabhais?

2) Why visit the same towns, same people over and over again until swadhyay KENDRA is established?

3) Marketing is the clear goal here then why lie to the followers?

4) This is not God’s work but it is Sampraday’s Marketing. 5) Don’t you agree that you should be honest to your fellow swadhyaees upfront ABOUT YOUR INTENTION OF MARKETING?

6) Why followers are not allowed to select the towns for bhaktiferi?

7) Why very small and remote towns with only two or three Indian families are not RANDOMLY selected for Bhakti-feri? Why not visit Non-Hindu families?

8) Do you continue to go to see Bhagvan Na Deekra in these areas regularly, once Swadhyay Kendra is established?

9) Is beating up swadhyayis and likely killing per media reports, results of " Human-Upliftment", "Ashmita-Jagruti", "Bhav-Vrudhdhi" and "Intellectual love towards God and his creations like Pankajbhai Trivedi?

Please share your views on this topic.

cry

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Independent Thinker on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 10:58am

Guet Motabhai wrote,

"Writng & reading all these negetive comments will not bring "RAM RAJYA" - the ultimate dream of Dada."

Oh puppetbhai a.k.a Khotabhai, the beating and killing will only bring " GUNDA-RAJ" a.k.a "Didi-Raj".

"Look, what did the Western Govt said when so many innocent civilains died in the present Iraq war. They claimed as :"collatral damage", meaning some one has to die for a good cause."

Indirect admission of Pankajbhai's murder? Thank you Khotabhai.

"To achieve this dream Swadhaya, the politicians, the police, other religious Orgs and the remaining institutions will have to work together and work hard to make this dream a reality and come true."

Aren't they already working together to save Dhanshree? Ministers like Chhatrasinh Mori, Purushottam Rupala, Bharat Pandya, even a P.A. Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama to investigating police officer, A.K. Jadea?

"Didi is working towards this dream."

Not only is she working but she has achieved her goal of becoming Billionarie by cheating blind followers like yourself.

"One day, 'Our Bharat', 'your Bharat', 'my Bharat' will be be philosophically & religiously prosperous."

A SOUND PHILOSOPHY MUST BE INTERNANLY COHERENT and should not reamin a mere Eutopian Concept.

Hollow philosophy is no help to poor people who lost their land, money to the wicked duo of " Father and daughter".
Yes, it is true that both Father and daughter have become FINANCIALLY PROSEPOROUS.....ONLY DHAN-VRUDHDHI and NO BHAV-VRUDHDHI.

"There will be full employment therefore no shortage of Roti (must read Keyns theory on Economics), no shortage of housing, no shortage of clothes and Mera Desh Bharat will be a crime free society. This is the sort of intellectual society we are trying to create therefore do not lament on loss of one colleteral damage."

When Didi is taking away people's land, money their self-esteem, their Ashmita, how dare you make such comment?

"Think positive and be positive."

You should be first honest to yourself, admit that you are braindead, blind supporter of a sinner and need to join a mental instituion immediately.

I have yet to meet someone who is brainwashed and realize and admit that he is brianwashed.

Interestingly, all of the brainwashed people vigorously defend their manipulators.

"Dada has always said not be be intelectually bankcrupt."

Are you listening to him? If you were, you won't be making such false and silly remarks here.

Remember, A BHAKT should be DAKSHA per Dada and apparantly, you are completely ignoring your Guru's advice.

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by tinu on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 11:07am

Jayshree is smat and current gone underground. She knows there is trouble for her right now and wisely decided to stay quiet. Smat move!

Swadhyay has become politics now.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by CULT TEST on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 11:13am

The Cult Test
Questions 1 to 100
by A. Orange

1. The Guru is always right.
2. You are always wrong.
3. No Exit.
5. Cult-speak.
6. Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
7. Irrationality.
8. Suspension of disbelief.
9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions...
10. Personal attacks on critics.
11. Insistence that the cult is THE ONLY WAY.
12. The cult and its members are special.
13. Induction of guilt, and the use of guilt to manipulate cult members.
14. Unquestionable Dogma, Sacred Science, and Infallible Ideology.
15. Indoctrination of members.
16. Appeals to "holy" or "wise" authorities.
17. Instant Community.
18. Instant Intimacy.
19. Surrender To The Cult.
20. Giggly wonderfulness and starry-eyed faith.
21. Personal testimonies of earlier converts.
22. The cult is self-absorbed.
23. Dual Purposes, Hidden Agendas, and Ulterior Motives.
24. Aggressive Recruiting.
25. Deceptive Recruiting.
26. No Humor.
27. You Can't Tell The Truth.
28. Cloning -- You become a clone of the cult leader or other elder cult members.
29. You must change your beliefs to conform to the group's beliefs.
30. The End Justifies The Means.
31. Dishonesty, Deceit, Denial, Falsification, and Rewriting History.
32. Different Levels of Truth.
33. Newcomers can't think right.
34. The Cult Implants Phobias.
35. The Cult is Money-Grubbing.
36. Confession Sessions.
37. A System of Punishments and Rewards.
38. An Impossible Superhuman Model of Perfection.
39. Mentoring.
40. Intrusiveness.
41. Disturbed Guru, Mentally Ill Leader.
42. Disturbed Members, Mentally Ill Followers.
43. Create a sense of powerlessness, covert fear, guilt, and dependency.
44. Dispensed existence
45. Ideology Over Experience, Observation, and Logic
46. Keep them unaware that there is an agenda to change them
47. Thought-Stopping Language. Thought-terminating clichés and slogans.
48. Mystical Manipulation
49. The guru or the group demands ultra-loyalty and total committment.
50. Demands for Total Faith and Total Trust
51. Members Get No Respect. They Get Abused.
52. Inconsistency. Contradictory Messages
53. Hierarchical, Authoritarian Power Structure, and Social Castes
54. Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists
55. Belief equals truth
56. Use of double-binds
57. The cult leader is not held accountable for his actions.
58. Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around.
59. The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.
60. Dispensed truth and social definition of reality
61. The Guru Is Extra-Special.
62. Flexible, shifting morality
63. Separatism
64. Inability to tolerate criticism
65. A Charismatic Leader
66. Calls to Obliterate Self
67. Don't Trust Your Own Mind.
68. Don't Feel Your Feelings.
69. The cult takes over the individual's decision-making process.
70. You Owe The Group.
71. We Have The Panacea.
72. Progressive Indoctrination and Progressive Commitments
73. Magical, Mystical, Unexplainable Workings
74. Trance-Inducing Practices
75. New Identity -- Redefinition of Self -- Revision of Personal History
76. Membership Rivalry
77. True Believers
78. Scapegoating and Excommunication
79. Promised Powers or Knowledge
80. It's a con. You don't get the promised goodies.
81. Hypocrisy
82. Denial of the truth. Reversal of reality. Rationalization and Denial.
83. Seeing Through Tinted Lenses
84. You can't make it without the cult.
85. Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider
86. The cult wants to own you.
87. Channelling or other occult, unchallengeable, sources of information.
88. They Make You Dependent On The Group.
89. Demands For Compliance With The Group
90. Newcomers Need Fixing.
91. Use of the Cognitive Dissonance Technique.
92. Grandiose existence. Bombastic, Grandiose Claims.
93. Black And White Thinking
94. The use of heavy-duty mind control and rapid conversion techniques.
95. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who leaves the cult.
96. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who criticizes the cult.
97. Appropriation of all of the members' worldly wealth.
98. Making cult members work long hours for free.
99. Total immersion and total isolation.

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Post by PLEASE ACT FAST on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 11:15am

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Post by Laxman on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 2:01pm

Response to Guju boy
your question are difficylt to reply. Nobody can reply to them. PLease ask easy questions and withing swadhyay bounday. Please praise pandurang and JAyshree in youe post. It is grin

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Attempt to intimidate the media
Post by GUEST on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 2:19pm

Read today's Akila for news. Some suspicious people visited Chitralekha offices and their movements were so suspicious that Chitralekha complained to Home Minister of Gujarat and Police protection was given to Chitralekha's Rajkot, Ahmedabad andd Baroda offices. (Does this sound like religious or spiritual organization?)

Read Akila.

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Post by Ramdin on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 6:12pm

Jayshree has reached India!

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Post by Unbelievable on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 6:23pm

Now let's see how justice pans out...

Remember all, no one is above their own karma. You can run from it, but will never escape it. What goes around, comes around.

If Didi is behind this, she will have to pay in her own way, either this lifetime or next.

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Post by tinu on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 8:02pm

Response to
"Remember all, no one is above their own karma. You can run from it, but will never escape it. What goes around, comes around.

If Didi is behind this, she will have to pay in her own way, either this lifetime or next."

Who has seen next life man? Justice has to be done in this life only. Lets see.

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Post by Justice ASAP on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 8:48pm

It all depends upon the police dept. and Narendrabhai.
The culprits-attackers of Akshardham got the verdict after 4 years. Hope we do not have to wait so long.

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Post by Guest on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 10:23pm

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 04:28am

on Jul 2^nd, 2006, 10:23pm, Guest-Guest wrote:

If all other people listed by Pankajbhai were called for interrogation, why not Jayshree? Come on guys, this tells it all.

Can you fix your record please. it keeps repeating itself and is getting old. cry

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 04:31am

Response to simple man
Yes you are a simple man. If people were convicted on phone records. Well then what a terrible world we all live in. Cold hard facts are what bring criminals to justice. Not gossip. Gossip only tars people. At the moment much of what is being reported is gossip.

Well nothing has happened ? has it, well not untill the law carry out their investigation and find the four men or women responsible.

So why would you expect people to make a statement or raise an issue when there is not one to raise. Let the police do their job.

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 05:45am

the land which is given for the use of krushi. Is this land then dontated to swads in legal terms to Swads over a period of time. If so is there any proof of this. As this raises an interesting point in regards to intentions.

As an orgainzation they would have no need for this land to be put into their names if the intentions were noble and honest.

Are the Crops sold on for profits at market prices or below market prices. Who pays for the seeds and tools and the cost of distribtuion ?

Do they sell crops that yeild the most amount of profits or just those that are benifical ?.

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Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 05:49am

So, the Swadhyayis now keep their psuedo names matching the terrorists. The author of the last 4 messages is one such.

There is a news item in Gujarat Samachar on line.

Read it.

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060703/guj/gujarat/news3.html

True, terrorists do not have religion or family.

Swadhyay today has nothing to do with religion and it is a group of like minded slaves of one couple and an adopted daughter. ( a couple who borrows a child does ot make a family)

Raju Guide

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Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 06:08am

See?

Read Amdavad na Samachar.

Some corrupt Khotabhai must have given this information to Sandesh that she is in Rameshwaram.

http://www.sandesh.com/

But Divya Bhaskar has different information.

http://www.indiapress.org/gen/news.php/_Divya_Bhaskar/400x60/0

Swadhyayi slaves also do not anything to do with Truth.
And, the first Bodh Vachan a child learns in a typical Swadhyay Kendra is "Satyam Vad"

Are they so gutless that they cannot reveal where she is hiding?

Raju Guide

Didi Enjoying London Vacation while Gunda in Jail
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 06:24am

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Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 06:35am

There is ample amount of information in the newspapers and tabloids as what low levels the leadership of the Swadhyais has achieved.

Some achievement!

Raju

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Post by Your Loving DiDi on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 08:19am

Dear Swadhyayi,

I�m sorry for not being there
I�m sorry for never seeming to care
I�m sorry if you thought I never loved you
For that is surely not true
I�m sorry for always stealing your land
I�m sorry for not believing in you
I�m sorry that we never talked
It seemed as if we were just a couple of strangers wouldn�t you say?
I�m sorry for being hard on you even when you Know the Truth
I�m sorry for running away when I saw you crying
I�m sorry for leaving you in the dark
Without a light to find your way
I�m sorry for all that I�ve done to you
I�m sorry for never seeing you through
I�m sorry for putting you down
This is for everything I�ve done to you
I'm sorry you never knew the truth and the truth is I cheated You.

I'M SORRY FOR TEACHING YOU VERSES FROM GITA,
BUT NEVER LET THEM PASS BEYOND MY EGO.

DONT READ NEWS BECAUSE THEY LIE.

YOUR TRUE DIDI.

by Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

We have been listning GITA SANDESH and chanting its VERSES for almost 5000-6000 years, now is the time to think BEYOND GITA and start MAHABHARAT against the CORRUPTS.

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Post by Vijay Sharma on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 08:36am

Dear Ravi bhai,

Thanks for the poem... here are my view on it

Dear Swadhyayi,

I�m sorry for not being there (am enjoying in UK and USA)
I�m sorry for never seeming to care (you care more for your dada's aasti visarjan)
I�m sorry if you thought I never loved you
For that is surely not true (I love $$ more)
I�m sorry for always stealing your land (bhavnirzer and yogeshwar krishi)
I�m sorry for not believing in you
I�m sorry that we never talked (you only listen to my talk, no questions asked)
It seemed as if we were just a couple of strangers wouldn�t you say? (how many of you know didi personally??)
I�m sorry for being hard on you even when you Know the Truth (innocent until proven guilty by law, i got enough money to but law)
I�m sorry for running away when I saw you crying
I�m sorry for leaving you in the dark (having fun in posh banglows in USA)
Without a light to find your way
I�m sorry for all that I�ve done to you
I�m sorry for never seeing you through
I�m sorry for putting you down
This is for everything I�ve done to you
I'm sorry you never knew the truth and the truth is I always cheated You.

I'M SORRY FOR TEACHING YOU VERSES FROM GITA,
BUT NEVER LET THEM PASS BEYOND MY EGO. (never let any swadhyayi express himself freely, always rejected any emails or good ideas that were not of any good for me and my REAL Family)

DONT READ NEWS BECAUSE THEY LIE. (only read when they talk good about swadhyay parivar)

YOUR TRUE DIDI.

-Vijay Sharma, Mumbai, India.

Actions are stronger then words, so OH SWADHYAYI look at the actions not the words of our corrupted so called leaders.

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:08am

Pankajbhai and his family would be so proud of the above. Its what they would have wanted. rolleyes

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Post by Laxman on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:28am

Swadhyay leaders have shown thier true colors. Manish Swanani is in jail. Lets see what will happen next? Jayshree has also reached India and so far kept quiet. Only one dog is barking here to defend swadhyay.

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:38am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:28am, Guest-Laxman wrote:

Swadhyay leaders have shown thier true colors. Manish Swanani is in jail. Lets see what will happen next? Jayshree has also reached India and so far kept quiet. Only one dog is barking here to defend swadhyay.

Do you even understand how the law works huh

?? If guilty I hope the people who did this hang. But its innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law.

Unless you want to live like animals with no civil sense. That may be the case with some of the jumped up trigger happy people on this forum. Who seem to have forgotn that a person has died. And are simply using his death to further an agenda.

You might as well piss on his ashes with that klind of behaviour. Im feel sorry for his family if they come across people like that.

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Post by Ramesh on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:39am

Why his Pandurang's photo is kept next to GOD? This was done when he was in good health. Why did not he oppose?

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:42am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:35am, Guest-Narayan wrote:

Nobody from swadhyay will answer these questions. They are difficult to answer. Not even Irish robin hood will answer this questions. But he will come up with something stupid and irrelevant.

Im not swadhyay, I would never wear the badge of an orginzed religion.

Listen pal, why dont you walk into your nearest kendra on sunday and ask these questions. Get someone to tape you and see what happens

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:44am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:39am, Guest-Ramesh wrote:

Why his Pandurang's photo is kept next to GOD? This was done when he was in good health. Why did not he oppose?

I keep my wifes photo next to god on my desk. she doesnt oppose. So whats your problem. Whose photos do you keep next to you ?

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Post by Narayan on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:47am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:42am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:

right, and then I will be killed like pankaj trivedi... grin

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:49am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:47am, Guest-Narayan wrote:

right, and then I will be killed like pankaj trivedi... grin

Well then that would be a good thing, as it will prove that you are right.

But go ahead ask those questions and see what sort of answers you get? What would happen. Im sure there will be some sort of response. It would help clear up a lot of matters and help things move further on.

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Post by Narayan on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 09:54am

Could you answer those questions? Let me know. Please say yes or no. If you can not answer them, please do not bother to reply. I will ask some1 else from swadhyay.

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Post by An Observer on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:04am

Mr. Irish Robin Hood,
You said that
"Im not swadhyay, I would never wear the badge of an orginzed religion.
Listen pal, why dont you walk into your nearest kendra on sunday and ask these questions. Get someone to tape you and see what happens "

If U R not a swadhyayee, that means you have not been cheated, nor robbed by our "lady Rbbing Hood" , or have never felt helplessness in front of a stupid mass. You hve not felt the real heat. My dear friend, I do not know on what ground you are arguing and wasting time.
We know Jayshree and Pandurang very well.

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:10am

looking for impartial jusitce is never a waste of time not when a person has died and left a berverd family.

It may be what you think buddy, but not me.

as I have stated let justice be done though the heavens fall.

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Post by Narayan on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:14am

Jayshree's trip to USA and UK every year.
We all know that she travels in 1st class. Who pay for her expense?

Jayshree believes in "Mafat nu laish nahi"
It menas she pays for these trips from her pocket and she does not have any source of income except for swadhyay business.

This is another question for swadhyayis. Lets see.

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Post by Narayan on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:20am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:17am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:

you really should stop asking stupid questions and use that brain which I know you have, casue you seem quite clever and ask some proper questions.

A Child could answer your question.

Dear robin bhai, Please answer my question if you know the answer else please do not post your reply. This is my request dear.... (I know you do not have answer but you wil reply here for sure)

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Post by Ajay D on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:21am

Has any one seen my Darling "Neel" lately?

I haven't seen her or talked to her since June 14th and I can not live without her as you all know.

Please let me know if you guys know her where abouts as we need her for our street play " Tumhari Amrita" ...

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Post by aarpar on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:22am

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20245/pdf/c1.pdf

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Post by Saptak on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:23am

Jayshree is so desparate to continue " BAP NO DHANDHO" which is "PAP NO DHANDHO"..........

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Post by Jha on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:27am

Dear,

Police Commisoner P K Jha said "swadhyay Parivar is after Killing of Pankaj Bhai Trivedi", I hope he is not transfered from this case or given presure from politicians .... God Give him strength to fight for Truth..

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060702/guj/gujarat/news1_02.html

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Post by Dhanshree on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 10:28am

Mara Vhala Bhaio,

Tame Ghanu badhun kahyun.

Aapghaat karvaanaaj vichaaro aavechhe.

Koi dhaankniman paani bhari ne aape to hamnaaj hun aapghaat kari lavun. Have hun saav tevi naffat nathi rahi. Saachuj maanjo.

Didi

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Post by Subbu on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:04am

Jayshree is in Tamilnadu for throwing pandurang's bones in water

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:11am

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:04am, Guest-Subbu wrote:

Jayshree is in Tamilnadu for throwing pandurang's bones in water

well some of the dogs on this group will go chasing them then

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Post by Shiv on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:15am

It seems dogs also refused to eat them as they 2 years old.

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Post by In GOD We Trust on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:18am

Q 1: why did DADA who always spoke about SWADHYAY (self-study) and simple life, could not evaluate himself or his bhagwaan within nor could he leave MOH (affection) for his daghter?? When we already were doing good with "jay shree krishna", what was the reason to introduce "jay yogeshwar" which all swadhyayee say is the KRISHNA BHAGWAN. Is Swadhyay all about Branding??

BHAV-GEET....to Praise Athvale and his fmaily

BHAV-FERI....what bhav did you show at this feri?? hera-feri!!

BHAV-VRUDHDHI

BHAV-SAMARPAN....samarpan your MOH (affection)

BHAV-NIRZAR... scheme for free government land worth RS 600-800 Crore

BHAV-PRASANGS..Fabricated stories to play with follower's emotions

SWADHYAY-KRISHI... free land from poor farmers and adivasi's

Q 2. If DIDI was not after money then why dint she give back the Swadhyay leased land at Bhavnirjer, Gujarat Ahmedabad to Government once the leased expired in 2002?? Whats she doing in USA and UK, if you want to help poor (villagers and adivasis) look for them were they are. Get a free SWADHYAY lesson from Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Q 3. "Yogeshwar-Krushi" what happaned to the land that was taken from poor villagers and Adivasis in the name of "Bhagwaan no Bhag"??

Q 4. what kind of VIR are you if you cannot fight against injustice?? As explained in GITA Arjun fought his own when Shree Krishna explained him that they were not in the side of truth, evey though they were most respected amoung all like Bhishma, Kripacharya and Guru Dron. God gave us this example in GITA because he knew that there will be a day when a person has to fight against his own, some whom he trusted and respected a lot....

Q 5. Ask them to let you know one thing that DADA taught them that their Parents, Teachers or Grand Parent dint tell them to do. Did they respected or listened to them, even a 10th standard sanskrit books says the same thing ....

Q 6. Is learning Slokas from GITA or singing them when you get togeather called swadhyay movement? According to me swadhyay is "Beyond Gita", we all know since childhood what Gita is ... what Ramayana is... but now what! Do we have guts to hear truth, evaluate truth, and act accordingly! Dont follow someone blindy or u'll also end up in Afghanistan or Iraq God have given u heart and Brain use it sometimes.

Q 7. Is there any Swadhyay official website or yuva kendra discussion group where a REAL swadhyayi could come and express his thinking or only choosen invited?? what a joke!

I REQUEST EVERYONE READING THIS DISCUSSION TO ASK THIS QUESTION TO SO CALLED SWADHYAYI, WHO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND TRY TO CONVERT YOU INTO IT. I AM BORN SWADHYAYI, AND I'LL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE TRUTH, I KNOW I WONT HAVE 100000 OF PEOPLE WITH ME AS ARJUN DINT TOO IN MAHABHARATA BUT MY GOD WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY KRISHNA WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY YOGESHWAR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME.

My Answer to all your questions : In GOD we trust, My god is my stupid DIDI.... I'll only listen to her you asshole

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Post by motabhai on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:30am

Q 2. If DIDI was not after money then why dint she give back the Swadhyay leased land at Bhavnirjer, Gujarat Ahmedabad to Government once the leased expired in 2002?? Whats she doing in USA and UK, if you want to help poor (villagers and adivasis) look for them were they are. Get a free SWADHYAY lesson from Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Answer: Let me try. This belong to swadhyay. Takat hoy to aavo ane lai jao Bhave nirzer. It belongs to Jayshree. Amari Didi . Do not take panga with D gang , otherwise you know what happened to Pankaj T.

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Post by vasant shah on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:35am

we are not taught to answer your qestions in swadhyay, nor to ask any questions. what we are taught is to do karma.

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Post by Mangela on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:45am

good news for swadhyay.
Manish swanani case is still going on and nothing has come out so far. Lets celebrate our victory. Long live Manish S. You are our hero. Police caught even when you were not well and finally you have won. satya ni jeet thay chhe. Pankaj T. paid for his mistakes of talking against swadhyay. We swadhyay believe in piece .. I mean peace.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Didi on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 12:52pm

I will be 50 this 12th July. please celebrate my bday and swadhyay will sponser all expense. Please do celebrate my birthday.

kiss

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Motabhai on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 1:06pm

Readers,

This time please do not get electronically (oops! emotionally) charged up - sorry no Physics language!

Just step back and allow your mind to ponder!

I accept that our DIDI is spiritually bankrupct (like Duryodhna!) but not intelectually.

Therefore, I urge you to support her judgement, trust her guts & work hard with her to spread the message of Lord Krishna.

Its all about spiritual development - 'vikas'.

I can assure you: " you are in the right company".

What happened to those who supported Duryodhan 5000yrs back? They all perished, including my favourite charecter: Lord Bhisma.

This is mordern times and not classical period.

Today you support our DID and will sail through your "BHAVSAGAR".

Then, this was Lord Krishna's promise to Arjuna, I promise you this today.

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Post by Guest on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 1:14pm

Pandit Ko Purab (East) Bhalo,

Gyani (Spiritually Intelligent) Ko Punjab,

Karm Kandi (doing rituals) ko Dakhkhan (South) Bhalo,

Dhongi (Hypocrates) Ko GUJARAT............

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Post by Nilesh from Singapore on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 1:18pm

I want to state the most basic of all facts about
brainwashing:

IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MAN, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BRAINWASHED AND REALIZED, OR BELIEVED, THAT HE HAD BEEN BRAINWASHED....

Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" . . .or have been transformed in miraculous ways...

By Dick Sutphen.

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Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 1:18pm

Nothing wrong done by didi so far. God bless her.

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Post by weight watcher on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 1:21pm

Jayshree will be 50 this year. He next goal is to bring down her weight to 50 Kg (are baba weight of entire body and not the weight of gold ornaments she wears)

anybody to help her?

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Jan Mohmaad on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 1:32pm

swadhyay is the best thing happened to hindu religion. In our islam also we believe in killing ppl (those who oppose) and swadhyay doing the same thing. Swadhyay following foot steps of Islam

Pankaj T. deserved what he got.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gaand Sungar on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 2:13pm

Islam is the ONLY way!
So is Judaism!
And Roman Catholicism too!
And Mormonism
And Swami Narayan!!

Who cares if a religion claims they are the only way. Do what makes you happy. If people are happy in the daily activities behind Swadhyay, who cares if Didi flies first class (can you imagine her squeezing her "assets" into a coach seat? Have pity people)

If every religion whose leadership committed sin had to shut down, we wouldn't have many religions now, would we?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 2:16pm

The swadhyay Parivar's motto is the brotherhood of all under the fatherhood of God. who is god huh

Didi and dada. If Didi is evil dadaji was her father.

satyameva jayate ..... Am sorry to say such things about you dadaji, but pray god to rest your soul in peace. Ma dadaji ni hamesha respect kari hati, pun aamni chokri aa sabit kari didhu ka aa logo paisa na bhukya hata.... dadaji na marya 2 varas thai gaya ana haji hasti visarjan nu natak huh

?? shu aa che gita no sandesh??

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 2:21pm

"Ever since the Parivar's early days, 60 years ago, Dadaji had taken an ayachak vrata, the "not-asking vow," that he would never solicit any money, directly or indirectly, from any individual, institution or government. He has not only maintained it for himself, but his millions of followers have kept the same principle,"

wow dadaji wow.... this was your ayachak vrata huh

fooling farmers and adivasis and who leased the Bhavnarjer land huh

was that dadaji doing murti stapna at bhavnarjer? or his clone.

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 2:35pm

I have got 1000's of emails from people like me. Here is what One of the national-level coordinators of swadhyay movement�who, again, did not want to be named�told me, "We do not classify ourselves as a religious organization. The Parivar (literally, "family") is based on the concept of an extended family, and we are bound by a spirit of selfless love and service to fellow humans, like a family of millions. It is God-centered work, and work for others is rendered in the spirit of service to the God. We have no titles, no hierarchy, but only responsibility of coordination." Although led by principles culled from Upanishads and the Gita, they do not restrict themselves to Hindus.

I have asked swadhyayi's and got the sam answer.... but if its not a religious organization whats GOD (yai yogeshwar) and GITA doing there?? My answer is the "FRAME is SAME only the picture changed."

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by samir patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 2:47pm

Dear Ravi..."the FRAME is SAME only the picture changed." can you explain in detail

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by good karma on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 2:51pm

who says Pankaj Trivedi is killed huh

Tis is start not the end.

Firstly, Pankaj Trivedi can not die! he was having great soul, very strong soul and he will remain with us until we will not get Swadhyay down.

Unfortunately, yes!! swadhyay is Pandurang Shashtri's own money making business. There is nothing wrong, if you spend everything after Lord Krishna but Pandurang had done business on Shri Krishna's name for own profit. All swadhyayees are equal Paapi as Pandurang.

Pandurang Shashtri, so called Dada explained Shri Bhagwat Gita to everyone badly, he changed the whole meaning of it. In Bhagwat Gita, it is said that 'you can not even think to be like Supreme Lord Shri Krishna, and that is biggest offense.' Pandurang Shashtri made his place with supreme lord and all blind followers accepted him with supreme personallity. Remember, everyone is equal Akarmas.

Pandurang started with the help of God and then he became God. so ridiculous.

Please read Shri Bhagwat Gita - As It is, I have learned a lot out of it. Don't spend your human life, be Shri Krishna consious. Don't run after Yogas or Yoga masters like Ramdev as I know what is Ashtang Yoga. I can say one thing, all time best Yogi is Shri Sankat Mochan Hanuman Ji. Now, think why?

Lord Krishna told that there is nothing wrong to kill all 6 kinds of atatayees, Swadhyay is one of them. KILL THEM.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 3:09pm

..."the FRAME is SAME only the picture changed." ....

Pandurang started with the help of God and then he became God. so ridiculous.

This is what i meant, when I was a kid my grandmother use to bring different bagwaans photo and place them on the wall. You name any bhagwaan ad you will him/her in her collection. 21 years ago an new picture was added to the collection, was called yogeshwar.. what i saw was as time passed the picture was given different make over. The 1st photo we received was of yogeshwar bhagwaan, shanker bhagwaan, parvat and ganesh. After few years instead of yogeshwar bhagwaan we got picture of our DADAJI... and lately a photo frame that says "My family" with one slot empty to place your family picture there... other 3 slots are pre-occupied by Didi, dadaji and tai. Maan na Maan main tera Mehmaan.... long live dadaji.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MAHADEV MAGELA on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:03pm

Gujarat police is looking for me and had sent my pictures to Tamilnadu and Kerala Government to arrest me and send me back to Ahmedabad.

Please help me..hide me...I can not grow a long beard in a day..I need a plastic surgery ASAP.

Read AKILA....

http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html

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Police Raid Gunda Swadhyayee's Homes
Post by MAHESH on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:06pm

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Gujarat police is questioning everyone who filed false defamation cases agaianst Pankajbhai and also those who were suspected for attacking other swadhyayis like Vinoo Sachania, Satish Rughani, etc.

Interesting two of them went in hiding and when police reached their houses, they were locked and these people are no where to be found.

Read Gujarat Samachar..

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060704/guj/gujarat/news1.html

shocked

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:12pm

"The Truth has Emerged"

"Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again, - -
The eternal years of God are hers;
But Error, wounded, writhes in pain,
And dies among his worshippers."

Truth has a way of asserting itself despite all attempts to
obscure it. Distortion only serves to derail it for a time. No
matter to what lengths we humans may go to obfuscate facts or
delude our fellows, truth has a way of squeezing
out through the cracks, eventually.

But the danger is that at some point it may no longer matter. The
danger is that damage is done before the truth is widely realized.
The reality is that, sometimes, it is easier to ignore
uncomfortable facts and go along with whatever distortion is
currently in vogue. We see a lot of this today in every religion and
every sampradyas. I see a lot of it -- more than I would ever have
believed -- in this hateful organization, so called PARIVAR.

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Krishna in a copy right mess
Post by Tradmark of GOD Scandle on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:19pm

Local resident (motabhai) filed a complaint that Yogeshwar was being installed at a local temple in violation of the Copyright Act.
Krishna idol in copyright mess
Replica of �original� Krishna idol in police custody for violating copyright, probe under way

Posted online: Monday, December 06, 2004 at 0136 hours IST

JALGAON, DECEMBER 5: According to Hindu mythology, Lord Krishna was born in a prison but divine powers facilitated his liberation. But that was satyug. In post-WTO kalyug, an idol of Krishna is in police custody for the past four months. Reason: It has violated the Copyright Act.

The three-feet-high idol was confiscated by the Jilhapeth police in Jalgaon on August 18 after a local resident filed a complaint that it was being installed at a local temple in violation of the Copyright Act.

According to the FIR filed by Kishor Pralhad Khadse, the Sadvichar Darshan Trust, an outfit of the Swadhyay Parivar, has a copyright over the idol�s design and the trustee of a local temple, Sudhakar Kashinath Joshi, had made a copy.

��The idol looks similar to that of the copyrighted idol, but we need opinions from experts on whether it is an exact replica of the original,�� inspector D.S. Gadekar from Jilhapeth police station said. ��We are awaiting technical advice and investigating the case. No person has been arrested, but a case registered under Sections 14, 45, 48, 51 and 63 of the Copyright Act is being investigated.��

The accused in the case was working with the Swadhyay Parivar, which has a copyright over the idols�s design, before he decided to go his own way. He is now a trustee of the Sant Dyaneshwar Mandir Trust at Pratap Nagar, Jalgaon and has filed an application to demand the idol back for installation at the temple. The case is pending in court and is scheduled for hearing on January 31, 2005.

��Our trust resolved to establish an idol of Yogeshwar ShriKrishna in our temple way back in 1978 but there was delay for want of funds,�� Joshi said. ��Our idol looks similar to the original idol at Swadhyay Parivar�s Tatvadnyan Vidhyapeeth but there are vital dissimilarities � like our idol has the right foot forward, is standing on a lotus and has one peathingy
feather in the crown, while the original idol has the left foot forward, is standing on the globe and sports three peathingy
feathers.��

DSP Pravin Salunke said the matter had also been referred to some experts in Delhi for opinion on the alleged violation of the Act. He said a chargesheet would be submitted to the court after the conclusion of investigations.
Dadaji always said "There is no GOD, I have created one to fool you all"

God Bless dadaji's soul........... God is he in heaven or Hell??

Jay Yogeshwar...

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by JITU on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:19pm

True terminilogy for SWADHYAY:

D.A.Y = Didi�s Army of Yesmen;

BSK(Bal Sanskar Kendra) = Baby Sitting Kendra.

BAHV-VRUDHDHI = DHAN VRUDHDHI for Athvale family

BHAV-SAMARPAN = LAV- SAMARPAN

BHAV-FERI = LAV-FERI

ACHAR SAMHITA = LACHAR SAMHITA

JAY YOGESHWAR = JAY BHOGESHWAR

GEETA-TRAI = DIDI-TRAI

MANUSHYA GAURAV DIN = MANUSHYA ADHAPATAN DIN

and last but not the least....

MAR MARTO JA, HADKA BHANGTO JA..VAKILO TAIYAR CHHE.

rolleyes

Mahadev Mangle - Gunda chief
Post by Export me to jail on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:31pm

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Gujarat Police looking for

"Mahadev Mangela"

Mahadev Mangela once settled all disputes with his fist. Today, he says: "From wanting to hurt, I've turned to healing. Now I realize the other is not the other, he is my brother." The vehicle for his transformation is the Swadhyaya philosophy, which preaches the concept of the God within as the source of kinship between all mankind.

Through this noble philosophy, Mahadevbhai has flowered into an orator, poet, administrator and leader. He is also a key lieutenant of Swadhyaya. However, the most revolutionary change for this son of illiterate fisher folk has been his conversion to a priest, well versed with the Vedic rites for marriage, birth and death.

On the threshold of his first bhakti pheri (devotional tour) to South Africa, he says: "Dadaji (founder Pandurang S. Athawale) made me export quality."

Mahadev Mangela Export quality product from Dadaji.

http://www.lifepositive.com/Mind/personal-growth/transformation/transformation2-article.asp#man

Mahadev Mangela, former strongman speaks to Suma Varughese

Nature has wrought Mahadev Mangela in imposing lines. His burly physique, well-cut features, massive dome of the head are stamped with power, resolute will, and driving purpose. A man destined to make a mark, for good or for bad. In Mangela's case, both. A former dada (strongman) who settled all disputes with his fist, today, at the age of 45 he is a mellow blend of strength and gentleness.

"From wanting to hurt or hit, I have turned to healing. I never used to love people, but now I realize that the other is not other, he is my brother. Divine brother." On his arrival in Mumbai, India, in 1975 for a job as a bank clerk, Mangela came into contact with the group and its founder, Pandurang Shastri Athavale. Behind him lay a backdrop of conflict and the assertion of might.

Born to a family of illiterate fisherfolk in Udwada, India, Mangela financed his way through school by working in a hotel at a monthly salary of Rs 5 and a bonus of Rs7. His standard response to injustice and exploitation of others was to resort to violence. As an ace cricketer, unfavourable calls on the field would provoke him to uproot the stumps and pulverize the umpire. His teachers and later, lecturers, were also victims of this rough and ready logic, as indeed, were his eight brothers.

"I would beat up anyone who said anything against my mother," he laughs, white teeth gleaming against his brown face. Come election time, the village head would be who Mahadevbhai (as he is known) insisted upon, and woe betide the opponents. "I was so arrogant! People sighed with relief when I left," he recalls. "Dadaji (as Athavale is customarily known) has Karl Marx ki kranti (Karl Marx's revolution) and Himalayan shanti (peace)," he rhapsodises.

In a nutshell, the philosophy has converted the Bhagavad Gita into a socially transforming force by using its concept of an indwelling God to weld relationships between people regardless of caste, community and class. The presence of divinity is cited as cause for respect for the self and for others. This redemptive, noble philosophy has motivated 80,000 villages to live in peace and harmony, and has transformed millions of individuals, among whom Mahadevbhai is a striking example. "I changed from bill ki baat to dil ki baat (money-centered to heart-centered)," he says.

His modest one-bed-room apartment in the the distant Mumbai suburb of Vasai, where he lives with his wife, Kusumbhai, and daughter, Gita is clean and neat, but austerely furnished. "Earlier, I was ambitious. I too aspired for a fan, a sofa set. Through Dadaji, I discovered that the meaning of Home is harmony; and that O is for obedience, not ornaments, M is for man, not money, E is for emotion, not ego. Today my priorities have changed. For money, man converts his blood into water, and then uses that money to reconvert it into blood!"

Mahadevbhai has flowered into an orator, poet, administrator and leader. He heads the fishing community, whose membership runs into lakhs, and which forms one of the dominant groups in the movement. However, the most revolutionary of all changes has been his conversion to a priest�well-versed with the Vedic rites for marriage, birth and death.

Arguing that the sacred thread was not only for Brahmins, Dadaji initiated 200 fisherman into priesthood after giving them a one-month-long course in the Vedas. Mahadevbhai breaks into a mellifluous flow of Sanskrit slokas (verses) to illustrate his proficiency in the language. "Were it not for Dadaji I would have been at most a bank manager. Today, I can achieve anything in any field." Poised on the threshold of his first bhakti pheri (devotional tour) abroad, to South Africa, he quips: "Dadaji made me export quality."

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dadajis Stories on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 4:49pm

Dadaji's burnished, terrifying, masterfully crafted stories ...

can you please convert this news in english for me Vijay Uncle?? Please

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_05.asp

Re: Make a documentary
Post by An Observer on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:18pm

When I went to swadhyayee.org site, and read all the details under the heading of Welcome to Jagrut Pariwar,
it is very surprizing, strange, and unbelievable at the outset, which has depicted Pandurang as an expert villain.
I do not think many people will read it in detail like me. If this be true, I think the best way to make common people "Jagrut", would be for Mahesh Shah to prepare a documentary on it.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Make a documentary on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:25pm

Good Idea about making documentry, something like 'FAHRENHEIT 9/11' by Michael Moore. I am ready are you??

email me at
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Make a documentary on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:30pm

Excellent Idea..I am all for it and ready to help in any way I can. Lets do it.

Also, if you guys have not seen a bollywood movie " JADUGAR" I highly recommend that you rent it and watch. It is all about swadhyay type scandle and they do use the name "Yogeshwar" in the movie.

Star cast is: Amitabh Bachchan, Amrish Puri and Jaya Prada.

It was produced may be 15-20 years ago.

MUST SEE MOVIE.

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MY HERO SWAMI SATCHIDANANDJI on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:37pm

Since Gujarat police is still groping in dark for some strange reasons, prominent leaders for Gujarat had called a " CHINTAN-SABHA" on July 5th in Ahmedabad to discuss Pankajbhai Trivedi's murder case,and other issues such as massive corruption and Didi's "DADA"GIRI.

My true hero, Swami SATCHIDANANDJI will lead this meeting and provide guidance on how to move forward on these issues so the killers can be brought to Justics ASAP and protect BHAVUK Gujaratis from Religious CON ARTISTS.

Way to GO SWAMI SATCHIDANANDJI!

LONG LIVE PANKAJBHAI.........

LONG LIVE SWAMIJI............ laugh

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MY HERO SWAMI SATCHIDANANDJI on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:39pm

Read more about this "CHINTAN-SABHA" in Divya Bahskar.

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_13.asp

shocked

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:43pm

More LIES to project an ordinary man Athvale as Swami Vivekanada.

Swami Vivekananda was for NACHIKETAS and ATHVALE was for MAHADEV MAGELA....NACHE KAHETA...Ha Ha
Read Divya Bhaskar for more details:

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_05.asp

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SHAMELESS LEADERS on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:50pm

THIS IS SO DISGUSTING.........

Some Swadhyay Leaders from US are in India and they are attaending meeting s with swadhyayis and telling them Pankajbhai's murder is indeed a good thing happened to Swadhyay.

These rascals have no guilt, no remorse, no humanity.

The same rascals preach about "Intellectual Love towards God and his Creations", " God is with in you" , " Brotherhood of mankind under Fatherhood of God".........

Unbelievable.........

cry

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SHAMLESS LEADERS on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:50pm

Read Divya Bhaskar for more details on their desparate attaempts to save face.

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_10.asp

Breaking News: Two detained ... More to follow
Post by LATEST NEWS FROM RAJKOT on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:59pm

Two detained for attack on editor by �Parivar supporters� Assaulted in �05 for publishing e-mail sent by Sanchania against �Didi�. Express News Service

Rajkot, July 3: WHILE the Rajkot head of Swadhyay Parivar, Manish Savshani, is in custody of Ahmedabad Police, two more persons from Rajkot district were detained on Monday for in a case of attack on the editor of an eveninger on May 5, 2005, allegedly by Swadhyay Parivar supporters.
Raju Shah, editor of Saurashtra Aajtak, was reportedly attacked by three men for publishing an e-mail sent by Vinu Sanchania against Dhanshree alias Jayshree Talwalkar (aka Didi).
�We have detained two persons from Paddhari in connection with attack on Rajkot resident Raju Shah,� said Ahmedabad DCP A K Jadeja.
In the mail, Sanchania had criticised Talwalkar for raising funds in the name of Parivar. After Shah lodged a complaint with Malaviyanagar police, three persons were arrested and immediately released on bail. Police, however, did not reveal the names of those arrested on Monday. Savshani, a Rajkot industrialist was arrested in connection with attack on Sanchania, a London-based NRI, at Jamnagar in January 2003.
Sanchania was allegedly attacked after he raised question against raising of funds and its handling by the Parivar. The case of Sanchania was reopened last week following striking similarities between his assault case and the murder of Pankaj Trivedi, a former swadhyaee and NRI.
The Ahmedabad police arrested Savshani after they found evidences against him in the Sanchania attack case. Savshani is also a prime suspect in Trivedi murder case.

Click on this link:

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=191142

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 6:31pm

Please watch Video Clip 4 on Akilanews.com

The Trusties of Rastriya School disallowed holding of Swadhyaya Kendra, which was being held since last 20 years.

The reason? The current conflict.

Many more Instiuttions will disallow Swadhyaya using their property.

Slowly but surely people are waking up to the misdeeds of Father and Daughter.

Raju

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 6:46pm

Thanks Raju Bhai,

Here is the link to video, click on it.

http://akilanews.com/0307/vedio/clip4.html

Thanks God, be my guide and give me strength to fight this modern day Duryodhan.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Leaders from USA In India
Post by Re 321 on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 6:58pm

If you know the names of those Swadhyay leaders, do not hesitate in disclosing them here.
They will have hard time returning and showing their faces to the Gujarati public.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 7:52pm

I don;t have an exact count but I have heard that one guy is a Doctor and another one is very close to Athvale and Didi.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 8:22pm

on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 5:30pm, Guest-Make a documentary wrote:

Excellent Idea..I am all for it and ready to help in any way I can. Lets do it.

Also, if you guys have not seen a bollywood movie " JADUGAR" I highly recommend that you rent it and watch. It is all about swadhyay type scandle and they do use the name "Yogeshwar" in the movie.

Star cast is: Amitabh Bachchan, Amrish Puri and Jaya Prada.

It was produced may be 15-20 years ago.

MUST SEE MOVIE.

wink

I have seen the movie. The only difference is amrish puri was cheating on small village people and pandurang targeted more wealthy and educated people. smart move

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MY SINCERE REQUEST on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 8:38pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dr Amit Barot Darshan Patel on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 9:53pm

Beside Pankajbhai and ShivKumar Joshi deaths, Death of Surendra Patel in Virginia shall be investigated by FBI too as he died under mysterious conditions.

Dr. Amit Barot is also from Virginia and Darshan Patel from California is rumored to be behind book in Urdu about Pankajbhai's ties with Bin Laden and threat to President Bush.

Surendra Patel is the person who assisted in abortion of top boss when she became pregnant from illicit affair.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Simple Man on Jul 3^rd, 2006, 11:51pm

Did any one paid any attention to three phone numbers from USA published in Gujarati newspapers which Dhanshree used to Call Bharat Bhatt and others? From the area code you can tell that one was from Virginia, one was from California and one was from Chicago area. Divyabhaskar published the following phone number on 6/26/2006 edition.

757-271-3563
805-459-672_
847-675-3637

These phone numbers MUST be cell numbers as she called using these three numbers in an hour time frame and it is impossible to reach California from Virginia in an hour.

Meaning these three persons were with Dhanshree when the calls were made.

Any comments?

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Sunil on Jul 4^th, 2006, 01:59am

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Dadaji & Swadhyay Concepts
Post by Read this on Jul 4^th, 2006, 03:24am

Pandurang Shastri Vaijnath Athavale (1920-2003, affectionately known as dadaji, meaning elder brother) A philosopher and social reformer who created the Swadhyay movement in India. Swadhyay is the incorporation of the message of the Bhagavad Gita in one's life.

Youth
Athavale was born on 19th October 1920 in the village of Roha near Mumbai. His grandfather was a renowned scholar and brahmin in the area and regularly, against the public opinion, visited untouchables to explain to them the thoughts of the Bhagavad Gita. Once when he returned, the young Athavale, then aged five, saw him take a bath. Athavale was surprised and posed the question that if in the Bhagavad Gita the Lord exclaims that God exists within all human hearts then how can anyone including the so-called 'untouchables' be considered inferior to anyone else? It is this thought that triggered Athavale's mind.

When Athavale was twelve years old, his grandfather Laxman Rao set up an independent course of study for the young boy with individual tuition. Thus Athavale was taught in a system very similar to that of the Tapovan system of ancient India. In 1942 he started to give discourses at the Shrimad Bhagavad Gita Pathshala, a Vedic centre set up by his father.

Swadhyay
It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into Swadhyay. (Discuss)
The Swadhyay (self-study) movement started in the 1950s in Mumbai. Athavale was influenced when he was invited in 1954 to the Second World Religious Conference in Japan. Here he explicated on the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita and linked them to modern life. He discussed the idea of an in-dwelling God and contended that the ego is a gift from God and thus rather than being removed should be sublimed with God.

When Athavale was speaking on the Gita and its application to modern life, he was asked whether there was a single village in India practising the ideals of the Gita. Athavale could not answer this question. This is what made him ever more determined to return to India to rejuvenate the ancient concept of Swadhyay. At the conference, Athavale met Arthur Holly Compton, the 1927 winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics. Impressed by Athavale, Compton invited the young man to the United States and suggested that the concepts of the Gita could solve their problems. Athavale politely declined and suggested that he would rather put the ideas to use in India before the West.

Swadhyay literally means the study, knowledge, and discovery of the self. According to proponents, it is a 'journey to work out a unity in a multiverse of cultures and worldviews, of harmonizing the self with a network of relationships, of creating and maintaining vital connections between self, society, and God, of knowing and enriching human action with sacredness'. The understanding of an indwelling God imbibed into Swadhyayees by Athavale is claimed to motivate them towards true expression of devotion (Bhakti). The concept of devotion has two important aspects in Swadhyay: one of self exploration, with a view to becoming closer to God (Bhav Bhakti), and an active and creative principle of devotion to promote communal good (Kruti Bhakti). Athavale taught that through a series of practical steps and programmes, the awareness that the self is the abode of the Divine would be facilitated.

Per Athavale, "In human society, there are many kinds of barriers such as caste, color, status, religion etc. that separate man from man. What is the way to unite the human race in spite of these barriers? The differences do exist from person to person. But there is a common factor which binds all of us. Our Creator is one and our Operator is one. This is the only factor which can unite the human race in spite of multitude of differences. Today, crude hedonism and materialism are on the ascent. As a result of these isms, modern man is becoming heartless. Human life without noble feelings and higher sentiments is dry, dull and mechanical. The consciousness of God within will promote self-respect and respect for the whole of humanity and creation. The essence of devotion is an understanding of nearness of God. In conclusion, I would like to assert that Devotion to God is a force for the individual, a force for social harmony and a force for international unity."

Athavale's thoughts have about five million followers, mainly in Gujarat, Maharashtra and other parts of India. There are also some Swadhyayees in the United Kingdom, the USA, Canada, and in the Middle East. The Iranian Majid Rehnema called Swadhyay a 'silent yet singing revolution'. On a recently concluded (December 31, 2004) elocution competition on Geeta, 1.45 millions youth of age 16 through 30 of different religion took part. The speakers were from 16 states of India as well as Canada, USA, UK, East and South Africa, Middle East, New Zealand and Australia spanning five subcontinents and in 12 languages - English, Gujarati, Marathi, Hindi, Sanskrit, Bangla, Oriya, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Konkani and Nepali. Forty-five percent of the participants were female.

Athavale has introduced educational institutions, developed wealth redistribution measures and social welfare projects. Over 100,000 villages are now actively practising Swadhyay. Athavale has shown that individual transformation eventually can lead to wider social change. Devotion, he says, can be turned into a social force. "Since God is with us and within us, he is a partner in all our transactions. Naturally, he has his share..." God's part of our wealth, Athavale suggests, can be redistributed among the poor and needy.

Athavale presented the idea of "Yogeshwar Krishi" ('divine farming') to the farming community. In this social experiment, each family contributes to the purchase of a plot of land. Thereafter each person subsequently, one day a month, works for its cultivation. Seen as God's plot, the income thus generated is called "impersonal wealth" and belongs to no one but God. The wealth is consecrated in the local temple (called Amritalayam) and later disbursed to those in need as prasad or divine blessings. Swadhyay emphasizes "graceful giving" where 'the help to the needy family's house is taken in the middle of the night so that others may not know that the family concerned has received help from the community'.

Swadhyay says its activities differ from social development projects due to the incorporation of bhakti, or devotion to God, in its work. Swadhyayees believe that no human being is superior or inferior to any other. When wealthy Swadhyayees participate in movement activities, they do not look upon poorer Swadhyayees as 'the other person' in need of public assistance, but as brothers and sisters, as children of the same Creator.

Athavale has also set up a range of educational institutions. In the Bal Sanskar Kendras, children are instilled with a love of Indian culture and values through stories and tales, and in the Tatvajnana Vidyapeeth (philosophical university) at Thane students are taught Indian and western philosophy, comparative religion, logic, Sanskrit, Vedic rites and rituals. Athavale has also taught Sanskrit in the form of verses to illiterate villagers and trained many people of all castes in the Vedic rites of priesthood.

In recognition of his rejuvenation of the Vedic concepts of knowledge, devotion and action, Athavale received the Magsaysay award in 1996 and the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion in 1997. The government of India has rewarded Athavale with the second highest civic honour, Padma Vibhushan, in 1998.

References
Raj Krishan Srivastava, Vital Connections: Self, Society, God: Perspectives on Swadhyaya
http://www.swadhyay.org/
http://www.dadaji.net
http://www.factbites.com/topics/Pandurang-Shastri-Athavale
http://www.rmaf.org.ph/Awardees/Biography/BiographyAthavalePan.htm BIOGRAPHY of Pandurang Shastri Athavale The Ramon Magsaysay Foundation
http://www.templetonprize.org/bios_recent.html By John Templeton Foundation
http://www.templetonprize.org/news_athavale.html By John Templeton Foundation
http://www.lifepositive.com/Spirit/new-age-catalysts/athavale/athavale-shastri.asp An article by a well known writer Suma Varughese
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/06/29/news_pf/NorthPinellas/Hindu_movement_cultiv.shtml By WAVENEY ANN MOORE, Times Staff Writer � St. Petersburg Times, published June 29, 2002

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Post by Gita on Jul 4^th, 2006, 03:33am

The Bhagavad Gita describes the mind as turbulent and obstinate. 'The Chariot of the Body': The five horses represent the five senses (tongue, eyes, nose, ears and skin). The rein symbolises the mind, the driver is the intelligence while the passenger is the spirit soul.
Artwork � courtesy of The Bhaktivedanta Book TrustThe discourse on the Bhagavad Gita begins before the start of the climactic battle at Kurukshetra. It begins with the pandava prince Arjuna, as he becomes filled with doubt on the battlefield. Realising that his enemies are his own relatives, beloved friends, and revered teachers, he turns to his charioteer and guide, Sri Krishna (an avatar of Sri Vishnu), for advice.

Krishna counsels Arjuna, beginning with the tenet that the human Soul is immortal, and human death on the battlefield is just the shedding of the body, but the soul is permanent. Krishna goes on to expound on the yogic paths of devotion, action, meditation and knowledge. Fundamentally, the Bhagavad Gita proposes that true enlightenment comes from growing beyond identification with the Ego, the little Self, and that one must identify with the Truth of the immortal Self, (the soul or Atman), the ultimate Divine Consciousness. Through detachment from the personal Ego, the Yogi, or follower of a particular path of Yoga, is able to transcend his mortality and attachment from the material world, and see the Infinite (the Brahman).

To demonstrate the infinity of the unknowable Brahman, Krishna grants Arjuna the boon of cosmic vision (albeit temporary), and allows the prince to see Him in all his Divine Glory. He reveals that He is fundamentally both the ultimate essence of Being in the universe, and also its material body. This is called the Vishvarupa/Viratrupa.

Gita refers to the war as Dharma Yuddha, meaning just war. In chapter 4, verse 7, it clearly states that God takes incarnation to establish righteousness in the world.

The Scripture of Yoga
The Gita addresses the discord between the senses and the intuition of cosmic unity. It speaks of the Yoga of equanimity, a detached outlook. The term Yoga covers a wide range of meanings, but in the context of the Bhagavad Gita, describes a unified outlook, serenity of mind, skill in action, and the ability to stay attuned to the glory of the Self (Atman), which is of the same essence as the basis of Being (Brahman). According to Krishna, the root of all suffering and discord is the agitation of the mind caused by desire. The only way to douse the flame of desire is by stilling the mind through discipline of the senses and the intellect.

However, abstinence from action is regarded as being just as detrimental as extreme indulgence. According to the Bhagavad Gita, the goal of life is to free the mind and intellect from their complexities, and to focus them on the glory of the Self, by dedicating one's actions to the divine. This goal can be achieved through the Yogas of meditation, action, devotion and knowledge. The Gita describes the best Yogi as one who constantly comtemplates God.

Krishna summarizes the Yogas through eighteen chapters. There are four kinds of Yoga - Raja Yoga or Psycho-Physical Meditation, Bhakti Yoga or Devotion, Karma Yoga or Selfless Action, and Jnana Yoga or Self Transcending Knowledge.

While each path differs, their fundamental goal is the same - to realize Brahman (the Divine Essence ) as being the only truth, that the body is temporal, and that the Supreme Soul (Paramatman) is infinite. Yoga's aim (nirvana or moksha) is to escape from the cycle of reincarnation through realization of oneness with the ultimate reality. There are three stages to self-realisation enunciated from the Bhagavad Gita:

1. Brahman - The impersonal universal energy
2. Paramatma - The Supreme Soul sitting in the heart of every living entity.
3. Bhagavan - God as a personality, with a transcendental form.

Here are some quotations from Krishna that make up history's first real yoga text and give comprehensive definitions of the four principle yogas:

On The Goal Of Yoga
" And whoever, at the time of death, quits his body, remembering Me (Krishna) alone, at once attains My (Krishna's- Transcendental) nature. Of this there is no doubt."[1]

On Bhakti Yoga
Put simply, Bhakti Yoga is Service in Love and Devotion to God (Krishna in the context of the Bhagavad Gita).

"I consider the Yogi-devotee - who lovingly contemplates on Me with supreme faith, and whose mind is ever absorbed in Me - to be the best of all the Yogis". [2] "After attaining Me, the great souls do not incur rebirth in this miserable transitory world, because they have attained the highest perfection." [3] "... those who, renouncing all actions in Me, and regarding Me as the Supreme, worship Me... For those whose thoughts have entered into Me, I am soon the deliverer from the ocean of death and transmigration, Arjuna. Keep your mind on Me alone, your intellect on Me. Thus you shall dwell in Me hereafter." [4] "And he who serves Me with the yoga of unswerving devotion, transcending these qualities [binary opposites, like good and evil, pain and pleasure] is ready for liberation in Brahman." [5] "Fix your mind on Me, be devoted to Me, offer service to Me, bow down to Me, and you shall certainly reach Me. I promise you because you are My very dear friend." [6] "Setting aside all meritorious deeds (Dharma), just surrender completely to My will (with firm faith and loving contemplation). I shall liberate you from all sins. Do not fear." [7]

On Karma Yoga
Karma Yoga is essentially Acting, or doing one's duties in life as per his/her dharma, or duty, without concern of results - a sort of constant sacrifice of action to the Supreme. It is action done without thought of gain. In a more modern interpretation, it can be viewed as duty bound deeds done without letting the nature of the result affecting ones actions. It is said that the results can be of 3 types - as aimed for, opposite of what is aimed for, or a mixture of these. If one can perform his duties (as prescribed in the Vedas) without any anticipation of the result of his actions, he is bound to succeed. It includes, but is not limited to, dedication of one's chosen profession and its perfection to God. It is also visible in community and social service, since they are inherently done without thought of personal gain.

Example: If one is playing tennis on the tennis court, his duty is to play as well as he can. If he is a Karma Yogi, the loss of a few points will not hamper his enthusiasm and energy for the rest of the game, but if he is not, then he will start getting tense, nervous, self-conscious, etc. and is then bound to make mistakes and lose anyway. This is a simple example of Karma Yoga for a layman.

Krishna advocates Nishkam Karma Yoga (the Yoga of Selfless Action) as the ideal path to realize the Truth. Allocated work done without expectations, motives, or thinking about its outcomes tends to purify one's mind and gradually makes an individual fit to see the value of reason and the benefits of renouncing the work itself. These concepts are vividly described in the following verses:

"To action alone hast thou a right and never at all to its fruits; let not the fruits of action be thy motive; neither let there be in thee any attachment to inaction" -- verse 47, Chapter 2-Samkhya theory and Yoga practise, The Bhagavadgita - Radhakrishnan
"Fixed in yoga, do thy work, O Winner of wealth(Arjuna), abandoning attachment, with an even mind in success and failure, for evenness of mind is called yoga" -- verse 48, Chapter 2-Samkhya theory and Yoga practise, The Bhagavadgita - Radhakrishnan
"With the body, with the mind, with the intellect, even merely with the senses, the Yogis perform action toward self-purification, having abandoned attachment. He who is disciplined in Yoga, having abandoned the fruit of action, attains steady peace..." [8]
In order to achieve true liberation, it is important to control all mental desires and tendencies to enjoy and sense pleasures. The following verses illustrate this:

Verses 62,63, chapter 2- Samkhya theory and Yoga practise', The Bhagavadgita - Radhakrishnan'
"When a man dwells in his mind on the object of sense, attachment to them is produced. From attachment springs desire and from desire comes anger."
"From anger arises bewilderment, from bewilderment loss of memory; and from loss of memory, the destruction of intelligence and from the destruction of intelligence he perishes"
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On Jnana Yoga
Jnana Yoga is a process of learning to discriminate between what is real and what is not, what is eternal and what is not. Through a steady advancement in realization of the distinction between Real and the Unreal, the Eternal and the Temporal, one develops into a Jnana Yogi. This is essentially a path to God through knowledge and discrimination, and has been described as being the "shortest, and steepest" path to God - the most difficult one.

"When he perceives the various states of being as resting in the One, and from That alone spreading out, then he attains Brahman. / They who know, through the eye of knowledge, the distinction between the field and the knower of the field, as well as the liberation of beings from material nature, go to the Supreme." [9].

On Raja Yoga
Raja Yoga is the stilling of the mind and body through meditating techniques, geared at realizing one's true nature. This practice was later described by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras.

" To practice yoga, one should go to a secluded place and should lay kusa grass on the ground and then cover it with a deerskin and a soft cloth. The seat should be neither too high nor too low and should be situated in a sacred place. The yogi should then sit on it very firmly and practice yoga to purify the heart by controlling his mind, senses and activities and f

Breaking News: 4 arrested are they fall guys?
Post by The killer of Pankaj Trivedi on Jul 4^th, 2006, 06:07am

Gujarat Police arrested 4 swadhyayi in connection of Pankaj Trivedi's murder.... Looking for Didi now??

More news on the way.....

Todays Discussion.......... whay Dadaji created "Yogeshwar" ?? Was it one of the biggest religious scandal ever?? Trademark of god? see my video for more... commiming soon

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

Dear Readers ... please write to Templeton Foundation and tell them the truth about Dadaji.. was he really worth it creating his fabricated social work stories?

http://www.templeton.org/

info@templeton.org

Looks like progress is being made. Let us hope police is able to get out of these guys as to who was behind them. Now with all the publicity government will seriously look into alegation of money mismangement.
Krantikari Pankajbhai's sacrifice should not go in vein.- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 4^th, 2006, 06:38am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Lok Shikshak Award on Jul 4^th, 2006, 06:59am

And Didi created another award for herself.......she was the 1st and the last to get it..... ha ha ha haaaaaaa

By the blessings of Rev. Pandurang Shastri & Rev. Mrs Nirmala Tai, you are also doing like them, the invaluable work of awakening the masses & educating them untiringly. Therefore the FIRST 'Lok Shikshak Award' instituted in the memory of venerable Apte Guruji is being bestowed on you.

Dada ana Didi na bhou awards pun malya......

http://www.swadhyay.org/oldsite/lokshikshak.htm

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 4^th, 2006, 07:32am

It looks like the Gujarat Police is doing a good job. We congratulate and wish them speedy results.
Hope Mr. Mody and legal court will work fast too.
IOn Swaminarayan case it tok four years for the verdict.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 4^th, 2006, 07:51am

Fearlessness is result of faith in oneself and faith in God....

- Rev. Dadaji

Can there be better example then Krantikari Pankajbhai.

Pankajbhai a true swadhyayi.......

He was NRI but always fought for what he thought was injustice to his mother land (gujarat and poor farmers and uneducated masses) and gave his life for it, wasnt he fearless? I have seen and heard stories about people who forget their own (brother, sister and family) after comming to USA. Some even apart with their own (DADA, bhai and didi) in the name or search of universal brotherhood. I would say try to know your own brother and sister 1st, communicate with them, help them when needy, then move forward. How many of us have guts to leave our loving dollars, go back home and fight for the truth or give a share of it to our family back in india?? Do swadhyay and reply...... Hoffer has managed to answer the age old question of how mass movements work. We wonder how people can blindly follow mass, impersonal movements involving thousands, even millions of people. This book's relevance is seen today with the rise of terrorism and suicide bombers. It could also be said the same for swadhyayi who murdered Pankaj Trivedi.

Here is the link to book....

"The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060916125/103-8411002-1298268?v=glance&n=283155

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

Swadhyayi "Dada"giri back in 1995
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 4^th, 2006, 09:09am

Mr. S. K Joshi from Jalgaon reports that back in 1995 several men entered his household and threatened in front of all the women in family" Stop talking bad about Swadhyay or else we shall raper your daughter in law in front of you"
This is disgusting...
Gujarati Article...
http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060704/guj/national/anu.html

Raju

Swadhyayi "Dada"giri goes back to 1995
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 4^th, 2006, 09:18am

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Professor S K Joshi from Gurgaon described what happened to his family under the name of Swadhyay and Yogeswar.

In 1995 Dada - Pandurang Shastri sent few gundas to his house. These gundas asked enitire family to be in one room and than threatened that if your father in law (Prof S. K. Joshi) do not stop talking bad about Swadhyay we shall rape you in front of your father in law and husband. Read the entire article and you will realize that using the physical force to shut the opposition was not invented by Didi but she inherited from the Dada!

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KHASTRIYA SAMMELAN on Jul 4^th, 2006, 09:26am

Ok.........so now we know who killed Krantikari Pankajbhai Trivedi.

Most the people arraested for this murder are KHASTRIYA.

We also know about Didi's KHASTRIYA SAMMELANS.

An old timer Swadhyay Leader who was very close to Mr. Athvale commented few years ago, " You guys won't believe me but only time will tell why Mr. Athvale had been pampering Agharis, Vagharis, Sagaris (Sagarputra) and other militant communtieis like KHASTRIYA.

Now we know.........

huh

Didi put swadhyay on every headline
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 4^th, 2006, 09:30am

Akila Headline July 4, 2006

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by This is what GITA teaches on Jul 4^th, 2006, 11:21am

Dadaji always said "jaroor padee to sara kaam maa ja daakhal karta hoi aamna chup pun karva joyye"

What Didi said few days back is "every sadhyayi should be ready to defend dadaji's thought with his own blood"

If we compare the Killers of Mr Pankaj Trivedi to Mohammad Atta and gang who bomed World Trade Center in New York, then Dadaji and Didi are no less then Osama Bin Ladin and Al-Zahari.

Ravi Patel will speak on his new video more about this.....

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

May be he meant Mara kamama Not Sara Kamama !

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dear Vijaybhai on Jul 4^th, 2006, 12:45pm

Please post the pictures from Akila of people who were arrested so we have a record for future generation and will always remind next generation about this brutal murder in the name of God.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An observer on Jul 4^th, 2006, 4:43pm

As per latest news, Mr Mahesh Shah is now fearful of his life.

After this messy event and negetive publicity, Swadhaya + Didi will not repeat their mistake.

So, what is in their armery?

Another murdre? I dont' think so.

Adarniya Didi is now more vigillant. She will not go for this type of crime.

She will make sure to teach a lesson by not KILLING but I think she will adopt a policy whereby the person is made disabled for life.

This is much easier option then taking a life!

I therefore warn all including Mr Shah, that she will do all she can but not KILL. She will MAKE SURE THAT those who oppose her are in hospital for whole of their life paralised or wheel chair bound.

Remeber, she is inteligent but not intelectual. She is crook but not stupid.

Mr Shah and the rest should now target all the cities & towns and make their case against Swadhaya and campaing for stopping Swadhaya taking place every Sunday or whenever.

This Org is now is irresponsible and does not deserve to operate in its present form and definately not under its present leadership.

Has any thought of.......reciprocating??........um.........??

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gaand Sungar on Jul 4^th, 2006, 4:52pm

I'm fine with swadhyay operating on the grassroots level the way it does...

Upper management has got to go...

I agree. I feel that swadhyay as a movement is a nobel one, the grass root members are genuinely interested in upliftment. But, there are those who are in power and willing to abuse it, there are those who are blind followers and would resort to anything - these are the ones needs to be thrown out. So for less than 1% of people who might be responsible for current situation the other 99% need to wake up. So all those who love Swadhyay needs to get into constructive criticism and try to change it. I have a feeling that it may be already under way - just we may not know it. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gaand Sungar on Jul 4^th, 2006, 4:55pm

Can someone translate the gujarati articles into English when they post it? Would make life easier for many.
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Five arrested for Gujarat NRI's murder
Wednesday July 5 2006 00:00 IST
IANS

AHMEDABAD: Police here have arrested five men accused of killing US-based Gujarati NRI Pankaj Trivedi, apparently due to a dispute within a social organisation he was associated with.

Three of the accused are from Saurashtra - Mansinh Vadher from Junagadh district, Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot and Bhupatsinh Jadeja from Jamnagar - while Hiteshsinh Chudasama and Daxesh Shah are from Ahmedabad.

Trivedi, a 43-year-old professional from Cincinnati, was closely associated with the Swadhyaya movement - inspired by the late Pandurang Shastri Athawale - and was involved in the legal battle between two factions of the movement, police said.

Deputy Commissioner Of Police P.K. Jha told reporters: "We had doubts about Chandrasinh Jadeja due to his criminal record and his association with the Swadhyaya movement. We traced him through his mobile phone and got the names of the others from him."

Police said Trivedi died after was hit on the head with a baseball bat outside the Ellis Bridge Gymkhana in the upscale Law Garden neighbourhood June 15.

"Although they all switched off their mobile phones, somehow Chandrasinh's phone got activated for 15 seconds near the spot just a few minutes after the murder," he added.

Police arrested the five after a prolonged investigation, Jha said.

The phone call Chandrasinh received just after the murder was from Padadhri in Saurashtra, "hence the conspiracy could have been hatched in Saurashtra."

Jha said the accused told the police that they had planned to kill Trivedi six months ago and were closely following his movements in Gujarat.

When asked about the possible involvement of Swadhyaya movement's senior members, Jha said: "We are yet to interrogate them fully. We cannot say who is behind the murder right now."

Trivedi, who was part of the Parivar since 1972, had claimed that millions of dollars, collected as overseas donations for rehabilitation of the 2001 Gujarat earthquake victims, were misused during the last five years.

Chandrasinh Jadeja, however, denied that he killed Trivedi. He blamed the media for its negative projection of the sect.

It is very hard to translate from Gujarati to English. We should look for English version and post the link. - Vijay Mehta

Police know who done it - but who wanted it?
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 4^th, 2006, 7:09pm

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Police say they know whodunnit, now hunt for who wanted it done

NRI MURDER : 5 Swadhyay Parivar members arrested, cellphone records provided vital clues; hands behind murder held, now we�ll focus on brains: Additional CP.
Express News Service

Ahmedabad, July 4: CRACKING the high-profile NRI murder case, the Ahmedabad police arrested five Swadhyay Parivar members on Tuesday. The five, allegedly, hatched the conspiracy to kill former Swadhyay member Pankaj Trivedi about two months ago as he had been leading an anti-Swadhyay campaign, hurting their sentiments.

The police arrested Chandrasinh Jadeja (40) from Rozia village in Paddhari taluka of Rajkot district, Bhupatsinh Jadeja (40) from Rajkot, Hiteshsinh Chudasama (30) from Bhavna Tenament in Vasna, Ahmedabad and Daxesh Shah (31) from Maninagar, Ahmedabad. Later, they also arrested Mansinh Vadher (35) from Rajkot.

Announcing the arrests at a press conference, Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said, ��The five have confessed that they clubbed Trivedi to death. As we have arrested the hands behind the murder, our investigation will now focus on the brains behind it.� However, Chandrasinh � who was also present there � denied his involvement in the case. He said, ��The media and the police have created a false picture about me. So, I do not want to talk to them.��

When asked if the police were contemplating on interrogating the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Jayshree Talwalkar aka �Didi�, he said that she would not be questioned at this juncture. Taking note of the similarities between Trivedi�s murder and attacks on others opposing Talwalkar, the police are studying these cases as well.

Deputy Commissioner of Police A K Jadeja said, ��Hiteshsinh runs a catering business under the name of Girish Caterers. Daxesh is a cotton trader. Bhupatsinh works in a factory, Mansinh is a farm labourer while Chandrasinh, a farmer, also runs a pan shop. The five had met each other at a festival organised by the Swadhyay Parivar a few months ago. There, they conspired to kill Trivedi.��

Friends of Pankaj Trivedi said the accused are unknown to them. ��They must have joined the Parivar about five years ago,�� said a friend.

On how the police cracked the case, Jha said the police had collected records of all cellphone calls made around the Ellisbridge Gymkhana, the crime scene, within two hours of the murder.

��We felt the murderers must have studied Trivedi�s daily schedule. As Trivedi had stayed inside Ellisbridge Gymkhana for an hour-and-half, they must have waited for him outside and could have remained in contact with each other,�� Jha said.

On how they zoomed in on Chandrasinh, investigating officer D V Gohil said, ��When Trivedi was sent to Gondal jail in connection with one of the many cases lodged against him by Swadhyay members, he was befriended by Gondal MLA Jayrajsinh Jadeja who was there in connection with a murder case. Being member of the same community, Chandrasinh had approached Jayrajsinh, and warned him against supporting Trivedi. Moreover, former Swadhyay member Satish Rugani was attacked in October 2001. Though Chandrasinh was involved in the attack, Rugani never named him in the complaint out of fear. So we decided to check his phone records.��

The records provided a major breakthrough. Jha said, ��On the day of the murder, all the accused had switched off their cellphones and were using landline phones to contact each other. After the murder was executed, Chandrasinh�s phone got switched on accidentally and he received a phone call. This got registered by the mobile tower and proved his presence in Ahmedabad on June 15.��

The police called Chandrasinh Jadeja for interrogation in the Rugani attack case. ��He told us he came to Ahmedabad two months ago. But when we showed him the phone records, he confessed the crime and named Hiteshsinh, Daxesh, Bhupatsinh and Mansinh as his accomplices.��

During the interrogation, Hiteshsinh said they had killed Pankaj Trivedi as he was harming the reputation of Swadhyay Parivar.

After Trivedi�s arrival from the US, Hiteshsinh and Daxesh kept a watch on his movements. ��On June 15, they waited outside the gymkhana for Trivedi to appear. ��When Trivedi was busy opening his car, Mansinh and Bhupatsinh attacked him with an iron pipe and a baseball bat, and killed him.��

Dr Rajesh Parikh, a Swadhyay member who was named by Trivedi in his letters to various authorities, refused to comment on the arrests. ��I do not want to come in confrontation with media and my answer will not change,�� he said. However, a close friend of Trivedi�s, Dr Narayan Sheth showed his unhappiness with the pace at which the investigation took place. ��I hope and pray these are the real culprits,�� he said.

Manish Savshani: he was the red herring
THROUGHOUT the investigation in NRI murder case, the focus was on Manish Savshani who was recently arrested for his alleged involvement in an atatck on London-based NRI and former Swadhyay member Vinu Sanchania at Jamnagar in January 2003. It was assumed that police were also probing his involvement in Trivedi�s murder. But Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said, ��It was a ploy to throw the real culprits off guard and let them believe they are not under suspicion.�� Savshani is in police remand till July 7.

The killers� modus operandi
HITESHSINH Chudasama and Chandrasinh Jadeja met during the Bhavlakshi Samaroh organised by the Swadhyay Parivar at Bhav Nirzar in April. Chandrasinh told Hitesh that NRI Pankaj Trivedi needed to be taught a lesson for defaming the organisation and its head Jayshree Talwalkar. There, they hatched the plan to kill Trivedi and sought the help of Daxesh, who was Hitesh�s friend.

When Trivedi arrived from the US, Hitesh and Daxesh watched his movements and recced the areas he visited at least thrice.

Finally, on June 15, Chandrasinh told Hitesh he was coming to Ahmedabad along with Bhupatsinh Jadeja and Mansinh Vadher. They met near Jodhpur Crossroads at 3 pm. Around 5 pm, Trivedi passed by and they five followed him on the motorcycles belonging to Hitesh and Daxesh.

Losing Trivedi in traffic, they went straight to the Ellisbridge Gymkhana, behind Gujarat College, and waited for Trivedi. The NRI, who had gone to meet his lawyer to discuss a case, arrived at the Gymkhana at 6.15 pm. An hour-and-half later, Trivedi came out. When he was opening his car, the Mansinh and Bhupatsinh attacked him with an iron pipe and a baseball bat. The bat was found at the crime scene. The iron pipe is yet to be recovered. After killing Trivedi, they sped towards the ST depot at Geeta Mandir. Chandrasinh, Mansinh and Bhupat went to Rajkot while Hitesh and Daxesh returned to their homes here.

Five Swadhyayee held for NRI Murder
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 4^th, 2006, 7:10pm

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Five held in NRI murder case

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All are members of a parivar and have "confessed" to their crime

AHMEDABAD: The Ahmedabad police on Tuesday arrested five persons allegedly involved in the murder of a non-resident Indian and Swadhyaya Parivar activist Pankaj Trivedi.

Joint Police Commissioner P.K. Jha said the accused were members of the Parivar and had "confessed" to their crime.

Clubbed to death

Trivedi was clubbed to death outside the Ellisbridge Gymkhana Club here on the evening of June 15. Some of the accused, who had also reportedly made statements to the media, allegedly said they killed Trivedi because he was "damaging India's Vedic culture and the Swadhyaya Parivar."

Trivedi lived in the United States and was an active member of the Parivar group there. He came here on a business visit when he was murdered.

The police said that some "top brass" of the Parivar were in contact with one of the accused, Chandrasinh Jadeja, and used to visit his house at Paddhari in Rajkot district.

Chandrasinh Jadeja allegedly confessed to the crime and also named his accomplices as Mansinh Vadher, also of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Jadeja of Jamnagar and Hitesh Chudasma and Dakshesh Shah, both of Ahmedabad. All four were later picked up by the police.

Chandrasinh Jadeja was initially questioned in connection with the assault on another Parivar activist, Vinu Sanchania, in Jamnagar three years ago.

Letter to Narendra Modi

The police suspected the Swadhyaya Parivar's involvement because of a letter written by Trivedi to Chief Minister Narendra Modi, saying he was being hunted by the Parivar because he was "exposing" the "shady deals" of the outfit's top brass. He also reportedly named about 30 top leaders, expressing apprehension about their "intention" to murder him.

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Post by BHAVIN on Jul 4^th, 2006, 7:10pm

AHMEDABAD: Five members of the Swadhaya Parivar, a social organisation, were on Tuesday arrested for allegedly killing Non-Resident Indian Pankaj Trivedi, a senior police official said.

Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a private club in Ellisbridge locality here on June 15.

"The five accused are hard-core Swadhaya Parivar members and were arrested from Ahmedabad, Rajkot, Junagadh and Jamnagar districts of the state by different police teams," Additional Police Commissioner PK Jha told reporters here.

Those arrested have been identified as Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot, Mansinh Arjan Vadher (Junagadh), Bhupendrasinh Jadeja (Jamnagar), Hitesh Chudasama and Dakshesh Shah of Ahmedabad city, Jha said.

Jha added "now as we have arrested the hands behind (Trivedi's) murder, our investigation will now focus on the brains behind it."

When asked if the police were contemplating interrogating the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Jayshree Tawalkar aka 'Didi', he said that she would not be questioned at this juncture.

"Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot was one of the first to be arrested, as his mobile phone record showed that he was in close proximity to the scene of the crime on June 15," Jha said.

"Though all the accused had kept their mobiles switched off on the day of the crime in a planned manner Chandrasinh's phone somehow was switched on for a few seconds," Jha said adding mobiles were switched off so that their movements could not be traced.

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Post by SWADHYAY members arrested on Jul 4^th, 2006, 7:16pm

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AHMEDABAD: Five members of the Swadhaya Parivar, a social organisation, were on Tuesday arrested for allegedly killing Non-Resident Indian Pankaj Trivedi, a senior police official said.

Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a private club in Ellisbridge locality here on June 15.

"The five accused are hard-core Swadhaya Parivar members and were arrested from Ahmedabad, Rajkot, Junagadh and Jamnagar districts of the state by different police teams," Additional Police Commissioner PK Jha told reporters here.

Those arrested have been identified as Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot, Mansinh Arjan Vadher (Junagadh), Bhupendrasinh Jadeja (Jamnagar), Hitesh Chudasama and Dakshesh Shah of Ahmedabad city, Jha said.

Jha added "now as we have arrested the hands behind (Trivedi's) murder, our investigation will now focus on the brains behind it."

When asked if the police were contemplating interrogating the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Jayshree Tawalkar aka 'Didi', he said that she would not be questioned at this juncture.

"Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot was one of the first to be arrested, as his mobile phone record showed that he was in close proximity to the scene of the crime on June 15," Jha said.

"Though all the accused had kept their mobiles switched off on the day of the crime in a planned manner Chandrasinh's phone somehow was switched on for a few seconds," Jha said adding mobiles were switched off so that their movements could not be traced.

His interrogation led to the arrest of four others who had come on motorcycles and had beaten Trivedi to death with a metal-pipe and base-ball bat, Jha said, adding the accused had been plotting the NRI's murder for the last six months.

"The accused had been tracking the movements and daily routine of the NRI since the last several months," he said.

On the day of the murder, three members of the gang first assembled in Rajkot, then they took a bus to Ahmedabad where the two accused from the city had provided the local support, Jha said.

"The accused have no feeling of guilt. In their confessional statements they have said they killed Trivedi because the NRI had acted against the interest of the Parivar," Jha said.

Police said it had also recovered a letter from the NRI's car which he had written to Ohio-based 'US Secret Service Agency' seeking 'protection' for himself and his family from 'members of the Swadhaya Parivar'.

Trivedi's letter also alleged that members of the Parivar were targeting him for speaking out about 'financial irregularities and misappropriation of funds' within the organisation.

He also claimed that crores of rupees collected as donations by the Parivar from United States and United Kingdom for relief-work for rehabilitation of Gujarat earthquake victims of 2001 had not been utilised properly.

Swadhyay - Dada's Prayog
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Post by SWAMIJI on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:37pm

Galileo � Great Mind
Einstein - Extraordinary Mind
Bill Gates � Brilliant Mind
Dhanshree Talwalkar � NEVER MIND....................

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by My Family Picture on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:39pm

Dear Ravibhai,

You mentioned in your #304 message the following:
"...... and lately a photo frame that says "My family" with one slot empty to place your family picture there... other 3 slots are pre-occupied by Didi, dadaji and tai. Maan na Maan main tera Mehmaan.... long live dadaji. "

Is it possible to show us such a frame here. I want to show this to my grown up children finally remove the Swadhyay impressons from their minds.

Raju

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Buddha on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:39pm

To live a pure unselfish life, one must count nothing as one's own in the midst of abundance..� Buddha

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MORALITY on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:41pm

There's a hole in the moral ozone and it's getting bigger.
- Michael Josephson

Here the hole in moral ozone is as big as the size of the present
leader!

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MKGANDHI on Jul 4^th, 2006, 9:47pm

I do not believe...that an individual may gain spiritually while those who surround him suffer. I believe in advaita, I believe in the essential unity of man and for that matter, of all that lives. Therefore, I believe that if one man gains spiritually, the whole world gains with him and if one man falls the whole world falls to that extent." - Mahatma Gandhi

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayee1001 on Jul 5^th, 2006, 12:40am

05/07/2006.

I have hurriedly read posts upto page 3.

I would like to clear some concepts.

Bhav-Samarpan was intended to meet the expense of a Center/Kendra. The moral value behind was why should someone else bear the expense of my listening thoughts of Geeta?

Bhav-Samarpan always used to exceed the cost of Kendra. Number of expenses incurred by Swadhyayees for Kendras were not re-imbursed by Motabhais as rules were such or so was interpreted by Motabhais. The excess was sent to Vimal-Jyoti (Later Nirmal Niketan).

Excess charity is always dangerous principle became operative in Swadhyay. No Motabhai ever tried to see that Bhav-Samarpan was a token amount. I think, I tried to tell The Swadhyayees. I am sure most of The Motabhais would not be knowing this. I used to suggest The Swadhyayees to go to Dada for their share of Bhagwan. I told them Dada would understand your feeling and take it for better use and you will get Ashirwad from Dada.

Dada told people with family should accumulate for their ten years' needs where as Dada accumulated Rupees two hundred crores worth of securities. Did not use the same. Had he used the same, Swadhyay would have grown many folds.

Devipujak should know that people from villages and suppressed castes fail to foresee the traps. They have always been cheated by foxes. Still there need to be one or two generations for Devipujaks to understand the need of values in Swadhyay and loss of values in Swadhyay.

Most of the present followers do not know the situation 50 years back and accepted Values for Swadhyay so they do not find loss of Values. They believe what Didi says and most of them do not make out that Didi tells absolute lies. How would they understand lies Dada told by Dada?

Dada after the problems started in Pathshala told from Vyaspith that those who allege Didi's character are "Aat-Tayees" and they should be killed. It's no sin to kill Aat-tayees.

For understanding the meaning of Aat-Tayees, one must have study of Geeta. Aat-Tayees are those who kill, rape others and burn houses. Where did Dada get the meaning given by him for the word "Aat-Tayee"? Dada gave his own meaning to incite The Swadhyayees to resort to violence - like killing Swadhyayees who were in foundation and supported even Dada's personal and family needs.

Was anyone else alleged in Swadhyay earlier like Didi was alleged? Did Dada take this stand for anyone else? Should Dada not feel Didi and a common Swadhyayee at par?

Do the people who support Didi know that at Dada's level, Dada should exhibit Shthit-Pragnata. When Dada used to incite Swadhyayees, Swadhyayees were told Dada had Vyatha. How could Dada who was expected to be Sthit-Pragna or Sant loose cool?

Would Devi-Pujak at his age and his caste fellow understand this wrong in spiritual work?

I have my doubts that these video pravachans giving wrong meanings of Geeta and which incited present day Swadhyayees to kill other Swadhyayees and such action would not be a sin along with video pravachans where Dada vowed certain values of Swadhyay would be in circulation today.

Does the present generation of Swadhyayee understand the need of character in personal, social and religious life? Do they understand that people with poor character can't concentrate in good work, would be dis-honest in the financial affairs of organisation's funds?

If you go by Dada's own wordings, Dada hailed from a village. Do they know the poor income of a Village Brahmin? Do they know that Swadhyay's growth took place after 1970 when Bhav-Milan samaroh had taken place. Do they know that prior to 1970, from 1956 onwards, these old Swadhyayees like Hemrajbhai, Ramdasbhai etc. went in to villages and brought the villagers to Swadhyay? Who beared the expense of Bhav-Milan Samaroh? Who did the organisational work? Do they know anything about Bhav-Milan Samaroh? Are they aware of any such event? Do they know how big was it and how many days were spent for preparations, how much old Swadhyayees would have contributed for this event?

Do the present day Swadhyayee know that years back no body knew Dada and Swadhyayees? - Strangers - Swadhayees in Bhakti-Pheri were not trusted by villagers and Dada had to clear that Swadhyayees will not ask for Lot (Flour), Note or Vote to gain entry in villagers' houses and gain their confidence to bring them to Kendras?

Do they know that Didi funded a candidate in election to get favour of renewal of lease? Do they know that Didi through a national leader of BJP threatened present Chief Minister of Gujarat - Shri Narendra Mody that Shri Narendra Mody will have to sit home if she signalled Swadhyayees not to vote for BJP? Is this not a breach of vow and promise of Dada to The Society at large?

Do they know that Dada accepted all money as representative of God and the donations accepted were Dev-Dravya which he declared to be his property and gave it to Didi? Do they know that ordinary people who find it difficult to survive even has to pay income-tax and no incometax was paid for this receipts of Dada? Do they know that Dada suggested Vardhaks in Shibir to pay share of God instead of incometax?

Do they know that there were nearly 70 neutral trustees in approximately 100 trusts? Do they know that Dada used to obtain blank resignation letters from all trustees? Do they know that Dada sent tough men to trustees to obtain resignation and made the trustee to speak to Dada in presence of tough men in front of the trustee?

Do they know that Dada/Didi through Swadhyayees did not allow to study Geeta together after they left Dada for his wrongs? Do they know that tough men/anti-social elements were sent to study circles? Do they know that so called Swadhyayees threatened decent old Swadhyayee sisters that they would be un-dressed if they ventured taking any Swadhyay Kendra after these old Swadhyayee sisters left Dada?

Do they know that mob of thousands of Swadhyayees tried to kill Hemrajbhai, Pankajbhai, Maheshbhai etc. who had gone to Ahmedabad to promote Swajan after these people left Dada?

What do they expect old Swadhyayees to do?

Swadhyayee 1001.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5^th, 2006, 05:41am

Dear,

I'll try to bring the picture of that photo frame ASAP, but here is you should not belive what media says http://swadhyay.org/mediaNotes/medianotes.htm

When media writes good about Swadhyay movement its constructive and the copies of that is posted on their website to fool the blind followers and when it tries to bring Didi's and Dada's scandal's on surface its a lie huh

Didi tried her best to keep so called swadhyayi away from media so her real truth is not known by them. I told myself the day Pankaj Trivedi was killed, that if killers are not caught I'll never belive in GOD. But now I Love him more and not everyone in system is Corrupt. I thought this murder would be covered too ........... but finally what Pankaj Trivedi belived in and fought for is out there.... God Bless His Soul and I salute all Honest Police Personal who bought the killers to Justice... Bhagwaan Tamne ana tamara Parivar na Hamesha Khus Rakhee. Please try Bring the Master Mind behind this murder under the shadow of Justice.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

NOTE: Swadhyay has always been and will be a great movement in future, but instead of following someone blindly... we must also start a 30 minute discussion after every Kendra where a individual can ask the questiona and a Motabhai or others in that Kendra can reply. GITA is also a answer to Arjun's Questions. Dont we all have few questions that need to be answered?? Discussion will bring openness and creativeness to our swadhyay movement.
I agree, I think Swadhyay will come out of this as a much stronger movement, empowered and able to function at each individual kendra and doing much more than before.
It is hard to get rid of slavery of Masters ( I guess it becomes a way of life) But thanks to sacrifice of Pankajbhai and let us not forget many others who put their life on line and suffered consequences. Arjun is within us and Krishna is also within us our ultimate goal should be getting rid of training wheels.
Every Kendra can post their video clips on you tube and the best ones can be watched by all. I would suggest the title of your project :True Swadhyayee - Those who had courage to rescue Swadhyay!"- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5^th, 2006, 06:01am

Thought of the Day.....

"A Human without Ambition is a swadhyayee and a Person with one is Dadaji"

-Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

I am making a Documentary, with title "Pankaj Trivedi - A True swadhyayee" If you have material or someone have known Mr Trivedi Personally Please email me. I want email of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi's son or his Phone #.

I think your new movement should have few basic principles added to the good concepts from current Swadhyay.
1. Each individual soul is capable of attaining Nirvana.
2. We do not need control of Gurus. They are to guide and not rule.
3. As the name suggest the goal is self upliftment.
4. Full accounting and transparancy - any one may question accounting. Money and power corrupts.
5. Anekantwad (Differing views but shared values) There may be different way of looking at the same situation.
6. Under no circumstances we condon violence, intimidation or murder, rape, etc. True Dharma never needs support of Adharm.
7. Wherever like minded people get to gather we have a Kendra and we are not in competition with anyone, no recruitment or no war. If the concept is powerful and if there is a feeling of a true pariwar, people will come.
8. Documentary you make just like Michael Moor's 911 should be bold in exploring facts. But make sure it is not aimed at particular group of persons but particular kind of Bhrastachars. Remember if we get rid of few people now, new Khtoabhais and new Bhogeswar Poojaris will be born. (The Evil also has a way to "Sambhawami Yuge Yuge" )- Vijay Mehta

My Family Picture Frame
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 5^th, 2006, 08:20am

Thank you Ravibhai,

Yes, please get that picture frame for me.

My kids do not read media notes, etc. They understand everything going on, but still want to give a benefit of doubt. When they see that picture frame, we will be home for good.

Raju

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5^th, 2006, 09:12am

Dear Rajubhai,

I am in pennsylvania and the picture frame is at my Masa/Masi's home in New Jersey, I'll try my best to get picture of it when I am in NJ. I guess you or or kids will come accross it very soon if you are an active member of swadhyay. My Masa is very active member of swadhyay movement and got the frame from India few months back.

NOTE: Swadhyay has always been and will be a great movement in future, but instead of following someone blindly... we must also start a 30 minute discussion after every Kendra where a individual can ask the questiona and a Motabhai or others in that Kendra can reply. GITA is also a answer to Arjun's Questions. Dont we all have few questions that need to be answered?? Discussion will bring openness and creativeness to our swadhyay movement.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 5^th, 2006, 09:23am

Last Sunday I visited (not truly attended) Swadhyay center. After knowing all facts thru media, I could not concentrate, since I could not believe what Pandurang was telling. It all seemed "vahiyaat".
While returning home, I tried to recapitulate what was said during the lecture, but nothing could I recollect. It is really a waste of time to listen to a guy after reading his "X-ray".
What should people like me do? There are thousands of us. You cannot stop the flow on Sunday. Should we form a new group and study and discuss ourselves like in Chinmaya Mission? We can, but how about our senior parents? Most of them are used to listening only.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5^th, 2006, 09:40am

Dear,

Again we dont want to go and join any another mission or be fooled by a new guru. We need to continue the swadhyay and let feerless swadhyayee speak up, express their ideas ... We dont want swadhyay or any other movement to be business of one family but a family of all.

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A picture like this will always remind us of the good teaching of Dadaji.

God bless us All

Jay Shree Krishna "Jay yogeshwar"

didi
Post by Guest on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:22am

Can anybody explain swadhyay organization structure from the lowest to highest?

Also anybody knows about Didi's where about? Where she is now a days?

Thanks

Re: didi
Post by Neeraj on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:35am

on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:22am, Guest-Guest wrote:

Can anybody explain swadhyay organization structure from the lowest to highest?

Also anybody knows about Didi's where about? Where she is now a days?

Thanks

As far as i know, she was in tamilnadu few days back.
Woh apne baap ki haddiyan pani main phenkne gayi thi.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 5^th, 2006, 1:09pm

on Jul 5^th, 2006, 09:23am, Guest-An Observer wrote:

Last Sunday I visited (not truly attended) Swadhyay center. After knowing all facts thru media, I could not concentrate, since I could not believe what Pandurang was telling. It all seemed "vahiyaat".
While returning home, I tried to recapitulate what was said during the lecture, but nothing could I recollect. It is really a waste of time to listen to a guy after reading his "X-ray".
What should people like me do? There are thousands of us. You cannot stop the flow on Sunday. Should we form a new group and study and discuss ourselves like in Chinmaya Mission? We can, but how about our senior parents? Most of them are used to listening only.

I felt the same.
No need to go anywhere or belong to any one.
I listened entire Srimad Bhagwat on Hare Krasna websites. I am listening regualarly to the Hindi and English discourses of OSHO. All these are free of cost.
There are free websites where you could read and/or listen to good books. I am keeping myself spiritually satisfied. Now, I know something more. Try for starters the MAHA GITA on www.oshoworld.com on Hindia discourses. If you prefer Srimad Bhagwat Gita, then OSHO has spoken on Krishna and Gita as well.

Raju

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhayayee on Jul 5^th, 2006, 1:15pm

NOTE: Swadhyay has always been and will be a great movement in future, but instead of following someone blindly... we must also start a 30 minute discussion after every Kendra where a individual can ask the questiona and a Motabhai or others in that Kendra can reply. GITA is also a answer to Arjun's Questions. Dont we all have few questions that need to be answered?? Discussion will bring openness and creativeness to our swadhyay movement

Ravi Patel wrote above-

I can assure you this is not possible.

In local Kendras no discussions are encouraged. The atmosphere is, you listen & go.

Even in the car park if you try to make a discussion, people are frigthend and will not want to talk to you.

Let me know if you succed in your Kendra as per your suggestion.

Do not hesitate to share your views.

I guarantee that you will be boycoted by the rest of the people in your Kendra.

Good Luck!

Congratulations Junagadh Police for good work
Post by Guest on Jul 5^th, 2006, 1:22pm

Look at This now What they have find out

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Thanks
Guest

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ashok on Jul 5^th, 2006, 2:16pm

People in USA shall ask question to all motabhais who have gone for asthi-Visarjan Circus.

Did you go for your father or mother�s asthi-visarjan?

God works in its own way.

By killing Pankajbhai, Didi have done Visarjan of her for sure. Now she shall be punished so in future heirs of other sect do not take people for a ride.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Amit on Jul 5^th, 2006, 2:21pm

Five swadhyayis remanded to police custody in Pankaj Trivedi case

2006-07-05 22:39:11

Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Five swadhyayis arrested by city police in connection with the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi have been remanded to police custody for ten days. Police had arrested them yesterday for the murder of Trivedi near Ellisbridge Gymkhana on June 15. Police had also recovered base ball and iron sticks from these persons.

These persons are Mansing Arjan Vadera of Junagadh, Chandrasinh Manubha Jadeja of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Narubha Jadeja of Jamnagar and Dakshesh Hasmukhlal Shah and Hitesh Singh Ramesh Singh Chudasma both from Ahmedabad.

Meanwhile, during the day Mahesh Shah, a strong critic of the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Didi, held a press conference in which he claimed that Didi incited her loyalists through provocative speeches to silence her critics. Shah has been saying that he would also be eliminated like Pankaj Trivedi.

Police is likely to arrest some more persons in connection with the murder of Trivedi. Accused claim that they murdered Trivedi for the cause of Parivar, a multi billion rupee voluntary organization.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 5^th, 2006, 2:42pm

Those 5 arrested may have confessed their crime but be warned!
They will never say who is behind this plot.

They will take the burden of responsiblity to save DID!

I think its too early to get excited all about this.

Didi will never get exposed.

Extreme hard work is required to expose this woman, which will not be easy.

So long she has the power of wealth & muscle, its hard nut to crack.

Epecially people in A'bad & Saurashtra will have to work very hard to make ordinary people realise the true color of this so called Org who works for the betterment of the society.

I think its time for all religious leaders like Shri Rameshbhai Oza, Shri Muraibapu and the top nothces to help expoe this Org.

Without the help & support of such high profles, its not going to be easy.

Sorry to sound so negetive but I am a realistic.

Also, Templeton must be brought to their senses that how they have been duped by this Org.

Has anyone considered doing this.

Mr Ravi Patel, I think you can take on this challenge, as Templton is based in USA & you may be familiar with the USA laws etc.

I think best way to expose real culprit is to smoke them out. Start putting pressure on financial management of organization and they will expose themselves. After all all this 12 assults and one murder plus God knows what was done for one reason and one reason only, MONEY. (Laxmi Devi not Yogeswar) - Vijay Mehta

Wow!! Swami Satchdanand Speaks up
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 5^th, 2006, 3:09pm

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In what may be the most defining moment of this saga, Swami Satchchidanand spoke up. While addressing a public forum full of Chintansheel people in Amdawad he was brutally honest. Here is the partial translation.

"You have already commited Brahm Hatya now you migth be ready for Sanyasi Hatya. Is Swadhyay a Gunda Parivar? Pankaj Trivedi sacrificed his life for the truth and justice. If he had bowed downed he were alive today. You have already killed a brahmin now come and kill a Sanyasi. I have come here to die. I want to ask Swadhyayees, is this what you have lerned from Geeta? One day your violence will kill you.

Those people who have been caught so far are like blank piece of papers. Actual culprits are different. Police needs to get to the root of this evil. These people are threatening the government that be careful or you shall lose vote bank! How can we tolerate this? This is tigress in the skin of a cow. This is pure religious terrorism and religious Mafia. It is my appeal to police and government to unite against such Gundaraaj.
This situation may also exist in many Sampraday's, my mission is spirituality free of sampradays.
Only crime Pankajbhai commited was to ask for accounting of charity funds.

Many people try to stop me to come to this Sabha. They told me Swami don't get involved. I am 75 year old and rather than developing a cancer and dieing in bed I would choose to die with two to three sticks (for a worthy cause).
Gandhi and Sardar were produced by this land and they shook the British Raj, in comparison to that these people are chicken!

Pankajbhai is the first one to sacrifice him self on the path of Truth. If on Tuesday they had not caught five killers, I was going to declare "fast until death" in today's Sabha.

This event is such that I would prefer to die than to watch it helplessly. Pankajbhai had pleaded with the government for protection but none was offered. Now it is time government does repenting. No one had the courage to consol the widow who lost her husband for truth. If you can not speak due to greed that may be forgivable but if you could not open your mouth due to fear that is Cowardice. I am confident that Gujarat police will get to the root of this.
He(Pankajbhai) said that once Dada handed over the leadership to Didi than one by one real Swadhyayees like Haribhai Kothari, Dahyabhai Jani, Ravajibhai Amin etc were thrown out like flies. This kind of weakness is not uncommon in many Sadhus. Turn over the collected wealth to niece or nephew. As they get older many Sadhus lose their moral conviction, therefor it may be better if they don't live too long. (Referring to possible change in Dada's attitude in final days)
In our meeting to day, many promnent citizens and several prominent Swadhyayees were present. NRI Maheshbhai told the audience that he was raised in Dada's lap. In last five years there have been five attacks. I am publicily announcing that next is my turn.
We are not against the most of the activities of Swadhyay (which are good). But we are against the religious terrorism. People are scared and confused under the name of religion.
Just like Bin Laden was responsible for the attack on world trade center, Didi is responsible for the murder of Pankaj Trivedi. And we demand that proper actions be taken against her.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 5^th, 2006, 3:21pm

I agree with the comment of Dr. Mehta that we should put more pressure on exposing and disposing the controlled wealth of the Pariwar. It is the finance that can bring those "stupid muscles" to do such a heinous act. It will be the strength of finance that will deter even the top politicians to take proper action. Once the Govt confiscates it, she is powerless and may end her own life.

But anyway, as of today, our Gujarat Police deserves credit and praise for bringing those culprits to justice.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Templeton Award on Jul 5^th, 2006, 3:48pm

Betty M Unterberger, a retired History professor at Texas A and M University nominated Mr. Athvale for Templeton award for "Progress in Religion".

We now know what kind of progress was made....from MANAV to DANAV.

I believe she lives in College Station Texas.

She was told by Swadhyay leadership at the time of nomination that thousands of villages benefitted from this movement and the their standrad of living has gobe up due to swadhyay...a false claim.

She was going to write an autobiography of Mr. Athvale but no sure if she is still doing it after these murder case and opther published scandals.

Her email address is:

bettymu@tamu.edu

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Rajiv Suratwala on Jul 5^th, 2006, 5:38pm

Nice to see Swami Sachhidanand speaking against Jayshree. Hopefully message will reach faster to common man in India. Lets hope for the best.

Dada Uwach!!!
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 5^th, 2006, 5:53pm

In a lame attempt to justify what is going on. AT this time, five Swadhyayees close to Didi are in Jail, they have already confessed the crime of murder. Many ex swadhyayees were assulted just because they opened their mouth. All the fingers are being pointed at Khotabhai's and Didi. Didi is not showing up for Arthi Visharjan of her Reverand Guru, God and Dad.
The spin doctor of Swadhyay posts this interesting article written by DADA. (Jesing Dodia of Advi)
How many of us are stupid enough to think that didi is like Ram or Krishna or Vashishtha and being defamed because she are too good to be true? They must have no fear of one day God might ask them, "what were you thinking?"
Do they really believe this?
What ever happened to all Swadhyayees just focusing on Swadhyay?
Sorry people who can not read Gujarati, we shall try to locate English translation. But, I seriously doubt if any other news paper will be stupid enough to print this garbage.
Shame on you Akila after doing phenomenal job so far, why are you slipping?
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5^th, 2006, 6:23pm

I am glad to see that progress has been made in this case. Thanks to all for translating into English.

I fear that this progress will be short lived. They will trace this back to a motabhai (on the level of a Rajesh Parikh), who will claim full responsibility for masterminding the operation, stating that Didi never knew or supported what he did. It will end there.

There is no way Didi will be implicated, unless a group of motabhais speak out against her, or she herself confesses.

I am hoping that the likes of Hemraj, Ramdas, Mahesh would write a memoir detailing their experiences with Swadhyay from beginning to end. Maybe they already have written one...but are waiting till they die to publish it.

This work is too good and too powerful to end like this.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 5^th, 2006, 6:31pm

DEAR VIJAYBHAI.

This is not what Akila is writing, its what Dadaji has said in past (its a paragraph from his book) to defend himself and fool the poor and uneducated masses. Its how he brain washed them, comparing himself with Ram and Krishna and who ever opposed him or whatever he is doing is a Devil (Raksas)

ThanKs
-Ravi Patel
I agree with you Ravi, but just because Jesing sends it to Akila, they did not need to print it.
Overall Akila deserves an award for bold journalism and I was sad to see they post it without any comments what so ever. - Vijay Mehta

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dear Vijaybhai and RAVI on Jul 5^th, 2006, 7:16pm

I have done lots of homework in last few years on "what can be done to stop this cheating in the name of God" but I do not want to discuss it here.

Can we discuss it offline?
Yes,
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Vijayvip@aol.com- Vijay Mehta

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5^th, 2006, 8:23pm

Why I personally think that some big head might be involved in killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, is because they have collectively filed numerous complaints/cases against him. who inspired them to do so!. Police should get hold of all invoilved in filing false cases against Mr. Pankaj Trivedi in different courts all over india, research them (people and charges) in detail. The Judges involved should atleast give them few years in jail so that they get to learn a good leason and no one does the same in future. I would like Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court B. J. Diwan to say and get involved too.

Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court
B. J. Diwan, a close former colleague of Dada and member of one of
the trusts, told recently to the Gujarati media that "they have Rs
200 crore in trust accounts and Rs 500 crores in immovable property
account, which is now claimed by Dada himself as his own, and not of
God as he used to tell earlier.
This was almost 5-6 years ago.... Why is Mr. Diwan quite now a days

READ MORE.....

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2002/08/1954.shtml

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GUJARAT FACES ANOTHER BOUT OF VIOLENCE
By Batuk Vora 02/08/2002 At 17:39

Now is the turn of 'Spiritual Terrorists'

Ahmedabad: All those who have not yet fully fathomed the root cause
of the communal carnage in Gujarat that shook whole of India for as
long as three months, feel dumbfounded again while witnessing a sort
of "spiritual terrorism", this time launched allegedly by Dada
(Pandurang Athvale) and his dynastic successor Didi's followers
within Swadhyay Parivar against the dissidents, comprising most of
the Dada's 'old and pioneer' disciples.

Both the groups have filed police complaint at Ahmedabad against each
other alleging threats, violent intrusion, beating up and fear of
murder. Late night's incident on July 27 at Ahmedabad, when a few
dissidents, visitors from Mumbai, were roughed up, beaten and abused
while they were waiting for more supporters to come from North
Gujarat for a meeting.

"This has once again brought out their tactic of spiritual terror and
fascist method commanded from Parivar's present managers from Dada's
official headquarters, Nirmal Niketan at Mumbai," according to a
leading Swadhyay rebel Mahesh Shah, an industrialist, who had to go
underground following a vulgar and violent attack on him and some of
his colleagues. Didi is also now an accused in above police complaint.

A command issued from the headquarters was "Didi and now even Dada
want all members to close their minds and just do what they preach.
No religious song to be sung of anybody else, no worshipping of any
other idol, no attention to any other godly figure than that of Dada.
This is their command," Shah told this writer. He further said that
"so far they have not killed anybody but they certainly want to badly
hurt us and terrorize our families so that we do not raise our voice."

Pandurang Athvale is a Magsaysay and Templeton awards winner carrying
on his Swadhyay bhakti movement since more than 50 years in both
Gujarat and Maharashtra. Hundreds of simple farmers have donated part
of their cultivable land and its all products to Yogeshwar Bhagvan as
per Dada's ordain. One senior former colleague not willing to be
identified, told that Dada himself was now determined to corner all
the wealth and encouraging Didi to spread such a terror. Chronology
of such 'spiritual terror', as related to this writer by several of
those dissidents besides Mahesh Shah, run as follows:

"I have a thousand young chaps similar to LTTE fighters; They would
jump from the tall terrace of Oberoi Hotel here if I command and
would finish anyone without blinking their eyes if I command 'God
would never forgive such traitors'- these words did not come from any
Islamic Jihadi or terrorist but from Jayshree Talvalkar 'Didi,'
adopted daughter (Dada's brother's sibling) as quoted by Chitralekha,
a monthly magazine from Mumbai- July 8.

Following this Ahmedabad based Justice B.J.Diwan resigned and 13
other trustees, including Mahesh Shah, were kicked out from trusts.
Later, Diwan's resignation was rejected by other trustees (Mumbai's
Samkalin Daily- June 25). Diwan told the press that he was shocked to
hear Dada saying that all the trust wealth "belongs to me now."

Following phone threats and mail threats given to Ahmedabad based
Pankaj Trivedi and Mumbai based old colleagues of Dada like Hemraj
Ashar, Ramdas and Jagdish Shah, physical attacks started with beating
up of Dada?s old disciple Satish Jagjivan Rudhani at Rajkot by seven
people last October. Rebels told that Satish was actually close to
Dada and once taken to Japan with him on his trip. Associated for 21
years with Swadhyay Parivar, Satish was beaten up, according to
Rajkot daily Fulchhab and Sanj Samachar, by a gang of 8 Swadhyay
faithfuls from nearby Padadhari town by intruding in his bungalow and
beating him up mercilessly in naked condition in front of his wife by
pulling out the towel while the latter came out from the bathroom
"They were shouting at him 'why did you utter a word against Dada' "

Later in December 2001, Ahmedabad based Pankaj Trivedi received a
most abusive letter of threat to his life. The letter also mentioned
that his wife and daughter would be raped if he ever spoke against
Dada or Didi. Trivedi filed a police complaint against one Bakabhai
Patel.

Mahesh Rawal, a local follower attended a meeting called by the
dissidents on July 26 at Ahmedabad. Next morning, his house was
surrounded by 25 white-sari clad Swadhyay faithful ladies, carrying
placards as 'traitor' and 'turncoat' and spreading terror by shouting
slogans in his neighborhood.

One Devesh Pandit tried to convene a meeting of at his place in
Chicago, USA, and invited around 250 members for that purpose. But a
faithful of Dada Arjun Desai called 700 members commanding them not
to attend Devesh's meeting. Arjun Desai is the ex-president of
Chicago branch.

Indubhai Poptani, a poet based at Porbandar, was told to write a poem
(stuti) on Didi. He refused by saying that how to write it when he
had no devotional feeling for Didi. He received a threat to his life
in front of his wife who suffered a heart attack. She was removed to
a hospital. Popatani's Bhav poems on Dada were quite popular among
vast mass of followers in Saurashtra. Dada had even gifted Rs 10,000
to his kids for 'sweets' on his visit to his house. "May be he
thought this would silence me", Popatani said.

Prof. S.K.Joshi of Jalgaon in Maharashtra was one of the close
associate of Dada for many years. Dada had even once named him as a
'role model' for all other Swadhyay Parivar members. He said "what
actually happened was that I had organized Bhil adivasi farmers to
grow fruit orchards in and around 28 Gnaeshwar Vriksh Mandirs (tree
temple). It gave an income of about Rs 1 crore. Dada did not allow
even rotten fruits to be eaten by Bhil kids. I questioned this
practice and since that time I was hounded with 'spies' watching my
home for eight days in three shifts and later shouting S.K. Murdabad
slogans! I am still living under constant fear. But I am determined
to carry on that noble activity in my own way with cooperation from
at least 200 other followers meeting with me every week. I have found
that both Dada and Didi want nothing else than lots and lots of
income which nobody could question about its use"

Incidentally, Sadhana, an RSS monthly organ in Gujarati, has highly
lauded in a picturesque article Swadhyay Parivar's Vriksha Puja (tree
worship) movement as a Hindu cultural tradition. It has not spoken a
word about what the senior Dada followers now talk about Dada and
Didi. All the four attempts to reach Didi and even Dada for comments
failed.

Some observers see this as a slow but sure attempt of penetration by
RSS Parivar into the millions-strong equally Hindu adherent Swadhyay
Parivar, having fat asset accounts in around 100 trusts and
properties, all over Gujarat and Maharashtra, besides millions of
dollars in London and America. Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court
B. J. Diwan, a close former colleague of Dada and member of one of
the trusts, told recently to the Gujarati media that "they have Rs
200 crore in trust accounts and Rs 500 crores in immovable property
account, which is now claimed by Dada himself as his own, and not of
God as he used to tell earlier." Another old colleague says "they may
not have anything less than Rs 1000 crores."

"Perhaps, RSS wants Swadhyay Parivar to support its own communally
surcharged political activities. Actually, Dada had once celebrated
RSS founder Hegdevar's birth anniversary," said another senior Dada
follower. THE END

Colorful headlines in Sambhav
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 5^th, 2006, 8:32pm

Jo Shahid Huwe Hain Unki Jhara Yaad Karro Kurbani!

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayee on Jul 5^th, 2006, 8:35pm

Ravibhai or Vijaybhai,

Who inspred the guy in Maharashtra to file a copyright case against one of the Temple for having Yogeshwar In there. Was that for real? who owns the copyright to the yogeshwar bhagwaan? Gujarat Police can get in touch with Maharashtra police and find more about it. I dont think people in India are aware of this Trademark/Copyright Laws. There might be someone (didi/dada) behind that too. Nice business of selling God, and one of the easiest.

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I believe there is life after death
And standing up to a life of mess

I believe in love at first sight
I believe that revenge isn�t right
I believe that first impressions last
And there is nothing better then a good laugh

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I believe that good things come to those who wait
I believe love never arrives too late

I believe something good comes from something bad
I believe that for tears of happiness there are tears of sad
I believe everyone has a guardian angel
And the good you do will be rewarded well

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I believe you don't know what you've got until it's gone
I believe a new day arrives with every dawn

I believe a smile can be contagious
I believe in being very outrageous
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I believe that God watches over us
I believe the little things are worth the fuss
I believe you have each friend for a reason
I believe you will get punished for treason

I believe that what comes first is family
I believe we should all live in harmony
I believe in making the most of a beautiful day
And it's not the end until everything's okay

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And nothing cures better then a drinking session

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And there's still help when you�re in strife

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And things will change before too long

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DIDI DO YOU TOO huh

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5^th, 2006, 9:09pm

on Jul 5^th, 2006, 8:23pm, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:

Why I personally think that some big head might be involved in killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, is because they have collectively filed numerous complaints/cases against him. who inspired them to do so!. Police should get hold of all invoilved in filing false cases against Mr. Pankaj Trivedi in different courts all over india, research them (people and charges) in detail. The Judges involved should atleast give them few years in jail so that they get to learn a good leason and no one does the same in future. I would like Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court B. J. Diwan to say and get involved too.

Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court
B. J. Diwan, a close former colleague of Dada and member of one of
the trusts, told recently to the Gujarati media that "they have Rs
200 crore in trust accounts and Rs 500 crores in immovable property
account, which is now claimed by Dada himself as his own, and not of
God as he used to tell earlier.
This was almost 5-6 years ago.... Why is Mr. Diwan quite now a days huh

READ MORE.....

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2002/08/1954.shtml

Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Apparently, Rajesh Parikh (one of the motabhais in Amdavad) was behind a lot of the improper filings in the various villages...the guy is supposedly a psychiatrist...I don't know where he gets his legal advice from

Justice Diwan apparently did speak out in one of the Gujarati dailies some time ago..anybody have it?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:10pm

What can be possible defense of Didi when she comes out of hiding?

1. I don't know who did it. If some one does something you can not hold me responsible.

2. This is a big conspiracy to malign Swadhyay by Gujarat Government, Media and Police. We have become so powerful with Dada's work that they wanted to cut us to size.

3. My enemies have killed Pankaj Trivedi to malign me and Swadhyay.

Any other possible scenarios?

We need to discuss this as she is going to come out with all her remaining might as a last ditch effort.

If I know her correctly, she and her cronies will employ
"Hu Maroon Pan Tane Maroon" method before going into oblivion.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ashit on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:20pm

True Swadhyay spirit is "Right is Might"

Present cult mania is "Might(Men, Muscle,Money) is Right"

2.True Swadhyay spirit is "Divine brotherhood under Fatherhood of God"

Present cult mania is " Didis Dadas(muscle men)under Motherhood of Tai"

3. True Swadhyay spirit is "Mafat nu laish nahin"

Present cult mania is " Mafat nu Bhogvish and Saav Mafat nu laish nahin"(One rupee rent for Madhav Baug)

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:20pm

I agree with you. If Didi was innocent, shouldn't she be making a phone call to the head inspector pledging full cooperation with any investigation? How come we have not heard anything about that?

Potential Didi excuses:
1) These people are goondas...they thought they were doing bhagwan nu kam, but obviously they had a very poor understanding of Swadhyay. "Swadhyay is like a garage...cars of different types come and go" so obviously this is not my fault.

2) I have NEVER condoned violence in Swadhyay. Dada also. In fact, through swadhyay, so many people have stopped beating their wives, killing their rival families, etc.

3) Pankaj Trivedi was a dangerous character who, through his threats, encouraged these loose cannons to kill him. Again, I cannot be responsible for this

4) Financial impropriety? Swadhyay has NEVER formally collected money from anybody. Earthquake relief drive? We have never done that! We only take money during Bhav Samarpan days.

5) The Templeton Foundation award was given to Dada, and I inherited that money for use to apply as I saw fit.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:22pm

on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:20pm, Guest-Anuts wrote:

True Swadhyay spirit is "Right is Might"

Present cult mania is "Might(Men, Muscle,Money) is Right"

2.True Swadhyay spirit is "Divine brotherhood under Fatherhood of God"

Present cult mania is " Didis Dadas(muscle men)under Motherhood of Tai"

3. True Swadhyay spirit is "Mafat nu laish nahin"

Present cult mania is " Mafat nu Bhogvish and Saav Mafat nu laish nahin"(One rupee rent for Madhav Baug)

This is cute man....but how does this prove or help anything?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by VINOD on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:27pm

Didi's possible statements to defend herself:

1) The Karya has expanded beyond my expectations and it is impossible to know each swashyayi personally. May be few people were deeply hurt by Pankajbhai's legal battle with PARIVAR and may have done it in anger.

2) We teach people to " see God within other people", how can even someone dare to point finger at us?

3) May be Pankajbhai's friends did it to blame Swadhyay.

4) May be some other organized religion did it to defame Swadhyay.

5) Pankajbhai had been involved in legal fight with us since 2001, We did not try to hurt him or kill him before. Why now?

6) I was out of country and had no knowledge of any plot. How can someone blame me?

7) May be some big builders in Gujarat had their eyes on Bhav-Nirzar land and they killed Pankajbhai so they cna get the land.

8) May be this is a work of ISI? lol

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:29pm

"When asked what attribute he most admired in human nature, Mahatma Gandhi replied, simply and immediately, 'Courage'. 'Nonviolence', he
said, 'is not to be used ever as the shield of the coward. It is the weapon of the brave."

Whatever Swami Sacchinandji said today is really brave and only person of his integrity can have weight behind such sayings.

Compare above quotation of Gandhi (www.mkgandhi.org) with actions of Didi and her followers who have killed Pankajbhai and violated
rights of many people by attacking them physically.

For Gandhi, He was "Bapu(Father of Nation)" first, Pati second and Pita third.

With present day Swadhyay leader

Power first,
Property second,
Pleasures of life third,
Pita fourth
Pati fifth and

Parivar......(no where in the priority list,ask people who are under arrest)

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:41pm

Just a minor correction to Muksh's list of priorities:

With present day Swadhyay leader

Power and Property tie for the first place,
Pleasures of life second,
Pita third,
Ajay Joshi fourth
Pati fifth and

Parivar......(no where in the priority list,ask people who are under arrest)

wink

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Indian Citizen on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:47pm

With so many NRIs in Ahemadabad, keeping a close watch on behalf of Didi, I want to show following preamble of Indian Constitution to Police Commissioner and CM Narendra Modi.

WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens :

JUSTICE, social, economic and political ;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship ;
EQUALITY of status and opportunity, and to promote among them all ;
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of individual and unity and integrity of the Nation ;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty sixth day of November , 1949,
do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.

Mr. Commissioner and CM,

Can you prove to us that you are following constitution in letter and spirit?

Whole world is watching you. Do not put we,the people, down.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NRI on Jul 5^th, 2006, 10:59pm

Dear Indian,

Just ask the law enforcement, police to question three of them and match their mobile phone numbers with the phone numbers published in Divyabhaskar. Bharat Bhatt received few phone calls from USA while Didi was in USA using these three phone numbers. I firmly believe these three people are in Ahmedabad.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by TributeToPankajbhai on Jul 5^th, 2006, 11:43pm

Didi's secret vacation picture...someone was spying

Picture has been removed.
Just because someone digitally put Pankajbhai and Bin Laden picture to gather, we do not have to stoop to that level . Hope you understand. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A True Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 01:27am

Devipujak Yuvan,
I am sorry that now you have to face the truth that Swadhyayees have got Pankajbhai Trivedi, who was fighting for the truth and who tried to expose didi's true Swaroop of Surpankha and Tadka, murdered. I have sympathy for you Devipujak, since you are mislead and brainwashed by Didi and Motabhais. I can understand your feelings. Didi is not the way you are seeing her. My advise to you is that you join another Parivar. I can start my own Parivar and teach good things superficially for my own profit. My teachings are good but as you can understand I am not good. Just like that the Leaders of Swadhyay are corrupted. The teachings of Swadhyay are good but they are for Didi's and Motabhais' profit. I know they are selling good things, but they are not good. Now, you have bought those good things, you just leave Didi, and live happy life with what ever you have learned in Swadhyay. Dont unify Swadhyay and Didi, Dada. Those are seperate. Swaydhyay is good thing, but the leaders are using for their own purpose.

Jay Yogeshvar.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:11am

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 05:44am, Guest-An Observer wrote:

1. To the Irish Robin Hood"
You do not go to the extent of abusing someone's mom. This photo was not necessary here. Even otherwise people could visualize the situation.
2. Someone else had also mentioned "Taro Baap" to DR. Mehta in past.
If you cannot stand truth, and refrain from using obsene language, pl. keep away from the website. People are volunteering to feed infomation.
3. To Ravibhai: What are the Bhaav-Samarpan Days? How much and who had to contribute?

Listen I was not the person abusing someones mother. It was the guy in the photo who was cleary having his way with her. Why that person wanted to photoshop someone elses head shot onto his mothers body is his problem. I was merly highlighting the fact that it bought nothing to the trajic events of pankaj bhais death and the loss his familiy and many others including swads members must be suffering when some one dies

YOu must me another of those slack jawed village yokels with a pitch fork jumping up and down, following a heated mob that has no concept of what constitutes a modern method of factual debate. Who, however prefers the mud slinging with the mob approach.

A Bid you fond farewell and hope you catch up with the rest of the world as soon as you leave the dwellings of your cave.

Dekh Tere Sansar Ki Haalat Kya Ho Gayi
Post by Gods Work Gods Money My GOD on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:16am

Must go down in the Guiness Book of Records as the Greatest Con of the Century!!

Dear Friend! Open you mind and brain! No one including media or for that matter anyone else is blaming Swadhyaya Parivar i.e. thousands of dedicated, unsuspecting, faithful, righteous, honest, innocent and dynamic Swadhyayees. In fact the whole world has recognised that it is because of the labour of these pious, devoted and trustworthy Swadhyayees that the movement has achieved so much in every sphere of life. Consequently, Swadhyaya Parivar has rightly received so many awards in recognition and appreciation of its achievements. However, as per the recent research and documented proof and scientific disclosure by the media and the intellectuals that the real ulterior motive of the Founder family was and is to acquire personal fame and fortune. To do this he has clearly used the concepts of "Bhagwad Gita" only as an instrument to achieve his vested interests. It is now obvious that thousand of "Satvik", pious Swadhyayees have carried out this Work thinking that this is "God's Work". It is true that as a by-product there was a social revolution - but the created wealth (Maha-Laxmi or impersonal wealth) which should have been used for the humanity - was secetly and cleverly hoarded over last 50 years and was never used for the benefit of the needy. And now it is "openly" controlled by Athvale family. No one is critising these woderful Swadhyayees or their marvelous fruits of achievements. We are only unmasking those who wants to deceive the world and try to eat the fruit of their achievement of innocent Swadhyayees. It surely takes a lot of courage of conviction and alertness to keep one's mind clear from distorted views.

My friend! look all around you - the facts are in front of you! Awake! Open you eyes!! As per your statement if media is telling the lies then, then why don't you or your leadership have the guts to sue them. One newspaper may have published untrue articles but not all the newspapers all over the world, including the ones in India, USA and UK! The movement has started some 50 years ago. Why did all these news came out in last two years?!

If Media was all about lies, was this a lie too?? why have swadhyay dedicated a link to News cuttings... Open your eyes

MEDIA NOTES THAT LIE...
http://swadhyay.org/mediaNotes/medianotes.htm

Gods Work, Gods Money, My GOD.
http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60282
Krishna idol in copyright mess

Replica of �original� Krishna idol in police custody for violating copyright, probe under way

JALGAON, DECEMBER 5, 2004:
According to Hindu mythology, Lord Krishna was born in a prison but divine powers facilitated his liberation. But that was satyug. In post-WTO kalyug, an idol of Krishna is in police custody for the past four months. Reason: It has violated the Copyright Act.

The three-feet-high idol was confiscated by the Jilhapeth police in Jalgaon on August 18 after a local resident filed a complaint that it was being installed at a local temple in violation of the Copyright Act.

According to the FIR filed by Kishor Pralhad Khadse, the Sadvichar Darshan Trust, an outfit of the Swadhyay Parivar, has a copyright over the idol�s design and the trustee of a local temple, Sudhakar Kashinath Joshi, had made a copy.

��The idol looks similar to that of the copyrighted idol, but we need opinions from experts on whether it is an exact replica of the original,�� inspector D.S. Gadekar from Jilhapeth police station said. ��We are awaiting technical advice and investigating the case. No person has been arrested, but a case registered under Sections 14, 45, 48, 51 and 63 of the Copyright Act is being investigated.��

The accused in the case was working with the Swadhyay Parivar, which has a copyright over the idols�s design, before he decided to go his own way. He is now a trustee of the Sant Dyaneshwar Mandir Trust at Pratap Nagar, Jalgaon and has filed an application to demand the idol back for installation at the temple. The case is pending in court and is scheduled for hearing on January 31, 2005.

��Our trust resolved to establish an idol of Yogeshwar ShriKrishna in our temple way back in 1978 but there was delay for want of funds,�� Joshi said. ��Our idol looks similar to the original idol at Swadhyay Parivar�s Tatvadnyan Vidhyapeeth but there are vital dissimilarities � like our idol has the right foot forward, is standing on a lotus and has one peathingy
feather in the crown, while the original idol has the left foot forward, is standing on the globe and sports three peathingy
feathers.��

DSP Pravin Salunke said the matter had also been referred to some experts in Delhi for opinion on the alleged violation of the Act. He said a chargesheet would be submitted to the court after the conclusion of investigations.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BhavSamarpan on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:23am

Bhav-Samarpan..... Money for the creator (who owns the copyright to yogeshwar) of GOD...

Many of us have donated portions of our earnings towards bhavsamarpan, with the understanding that it would be used for God's work. Hearing about the staggering sums of money that have been accumulating in Trusts left many of us questioning our decision. Also, we have heard of instances where "God's money" was denied to those in short term need, with no real reasons given. What has been done or is planning to be done with the millions of dollars collected by DAY in the United States? Also, Do any of these funds go towards Dada and Didi's accomodations and medical care? If not, then whats the need of bhavsamarpan and where does the bhavsamarpan money go?

What happended to God's share of wealth? This is a very good question and many people who asked the question ended up with broken leg or lost life, many of them did not lose spirit. If Dada thought he was Bhagwan than obviously it was his share. Many a times Didi has said that once you offer Bhagwan coconut you do not ask what happens to coconut after that. I think real answers will come once police and governments (India, UK and USA) start looking into what happened to funds. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:25am

Which uk or usa newspaper has printed articles. Please give me names or links. I will print copies out and then hand them out to people in my local town or post them.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by a swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:30am

There is a book by Malcolm Gladwell " How Little Things can Make A Big Difference" - I was involved with Swadhyay activity immediatly after Thirth Raaj Milan it was in 1976 and I heard so many Bhav prasang and i met all including Hemraaj Bhai, Mahesh Bhai, Jagadish Bhai, Ramdass Bhai every one. I know personally every one is good and their motives are doubt less. But after 24 years i started to hear that they were all wrong ; how come suddenly every thing changes / then i got a chance to sit in Patotsav Samaroh where i saw

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dadajis Biggest lie on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:33am

Dadaji was walking down the street when he came upon a group of about a dozen boys, all of them between 10 and 12 years of age.

The group surrounded a dog. Concerned lest the boys were hurting the dog, he went over and asked "What are you doing with that dog?"

One of the boys replied, "This dog is just an old neighborhood stray. We all want him, but only one of us can take him home. So we've decided that whichever one of us can tell the biggest lie will get to keep the dog."

Of course, the dadaji was taken aback. "You boys shouldn't be having a contest telling lies!" he exclaimed. He then launched into a ten minute sermon against lying, beginning, "Don't you boys know it's a sin to lie," and ending with, "Why, when I was your age, I never told a lie."

There was dead silence for about a minute. Just as the Dadaji was beginning to think he'd gotten through to them, the smallest boy gave a deep sigh and said, "All right, give dadaji the dog."

grin

Dadaji's Biggest lie .... "Jai Shree Krishna" and "Jai yogeshwar" were the same... If that was true why copyright "yogeshwar"

See post no 396.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M K on Jul 6^th, 2006, 06:48am

I was involved in swadhyay since 1976 , immediatly after Thirth Raaj Milan, and attended so many shibir and heard so many bhav prasang.

I saw Dada last when i attended Patotsav in Vidyapeeth in 2002 i think, that time i understood that some thing is wrong with this activity. Dada looks totally un confident and for every small thing he used to cry.

24 years we heard about Hemraaj bhai, Ramdass bhai, Jagadish Bhai so many prasang but suddenly all versus changed. How come? - I decided to leave this activity, no body stops you to do Trikal Sandhya and reading Gita but in this trap we are getting mis guided and its a sorry state of time that all young Swadhyayees are getting mis guided and they doesn't know what was there before 1990.

I think after 1990 Manushya Gourav din I never saw Bharat Bhai I last saw him in Chowpaty. Like that so many Bhai one by one left from this activity, they gave their life for Swadhyay and after 24 years I found every thing is wrong.

so i want all Senior Swadhyayee to come out and should give some right way to all our young swadhyayees , even now its not too late.

jay yogeshwar

Who was mastermind? in English
Post by Who is the master mind on Jul 6^th, 2006, 07:43am

Swadhyayis planned Pankaj Trivedi�s murder six months back ... who Planned it? who inspired all other swadhyayi's and Motabhais to file false cases against Pankaj trivedi in different courts all over india?? whil they be punish or jailed for filling false complain in courts and wasting time of court?

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=804&catype=NEWS

Ravi Patel

Thank you Swami Sachchidanand!!
Post by Mukesh on Jul 6^th, 2006, 08:10am

http://www.sandesh.com/dailyimages/21july_abad.jpgSwadhyay parivar has become goonda parivar: Sacchidanand

2006-07-06 10:05:42

Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

At a meeting held in the city on "Religion Terrorism" number of leading personalities launched a scathing attack on Swadhyay Parivar and described its head, Didi, with a variety of adjectives like a tigress donning the skin of cow. These persons were of the view that the mafia of religious leaders was more dreadful than the underworld of Dawood.

Referring to the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi, Swami Sacchidanand said that Swadhyay Parivar had become goonda parivar. The fear of terror created by it can never be tolerated, he added. Pankaj Trivedi, a staunch critic of Didi , was murdered on June 15 and police have arrested five swadhyayis in this connection.

He said that the fault of Trivedi was just that he had sought details of account of the Parivar, a multi billion rupee voluntary organization founded by Pandurang Shastri. He also blasted the Modi government for not responding to the requests of Trivedi for protection though he had feared attack from members of Swadhyay parivar. He said people worshipped Didi as a holy cow, but in the skin of cow she is a tigress.

Noted activist Prakash N Shah said that the activity of spreading terror in the name of religion should be checked. He suggested that there should be a social audit of such organizations. Writer Rajnikant Joshi said Dada, founder of Parivar, was a good man but not a straight man.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyaya instrospects on Jul 6^th, 2006, 09:12am

We've established that the concept of Swadhyay - introspection & personal development as an instrument for social revolution - is a commendable idea. For many of us, it has been life-transforming.

As for the institution, there isn't much left to say.

However, for those interested in encouraging dialogue and finding constructive ways to ensure that the concept of Swadhyay continues, please contribute to this blog: http://swadhyaya.blogspot.com

We need to de-link the idea/concept of Swadhyay from those who promote it (the institutions); perhaps the best of it will stay vibrant and alive.

This is an excellent site. For all Swadhyayees who love Swadhyay and have interest in shaping its future I would strongly recomment it - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by dumbfounded on Jul 6^th, 2006, 09:19am

Someone said it well the other day:

If Didi wasn't behind all of this, then she has no control of Swadhyay (because Swadhyayees are taking the protection of the Parivar into their own hands)

If Didi was behind this, then she has no control of Swadhyay (because someone can blackmail her).

Sounds like trouble to me

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by More Kendras Closing down on Jul 6^th, 2006, 09:38am

The following are only some of the Swadhyay Kendras that are closed.
If you know of any others that are not listed here please let us know:

ALL Gujarati kendras in Mumbai closing down!!!

(1) Prempuri Ashram, Maharashtra, India
(2) Samarpan Temple, Pennsylvania, USA
(3) Wembley, London, UK
(4) Finchley, London, UK
(5) Stevenage, London, UK
(6) Southall, London, UK
(7) Harrow, London, UK
(8) Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
(9) Madhav Kendra, Chicago, USA
(10) Elmhurst, New York, USA
(11) Corona, New York, USA

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:07am

Swadhyay Spin-Doctors at work in defense of Didi:

However, the problem would arise if I do not understand that (a) there are issues which I may not fully understand. For people like us sitting in comfort of our home overseas we do not realize the day-to-day issues/challenges that Didi has to face dealing everyday with people at all level right from the interiors of India to people overseas and (b) Our Parivar consists of Millions of people. It is just not possible that Parivar be run according to wishes / whims / fancies of each and everyone - no matter how great the idea that may be because at the end of the day everything need to be balanced.

In this trying time - we need to have faith in Pujya Dadaji's decision to pass the leadership to Didi. All said and done - someone else in Didi's position would have fled by now but she has stood firm. She is also learning every day (like everyone else) and we need to stand by her

Bhaio and Baheno

Let me explain you what an Indian Trust is? Trust is fromed by several trustees. They manage the Money coming in and Going out (Credit and debit). Not only money but other activites also. Money management may
be 10% of the effort. The account is verified by Certified Chartered accountants.

The report is also apporved by Charity Commisionar.

Make it clear that "Money is not accountable". This is a false statement. All the money is accountable using above process. And once a year they report to Nirmal Niketan.

For more info When Pujya Dada received Templeton Award then we had function in Stadium at New York City. Pujya Dada Quoted that the impersonnal wealth is not for collection that must be distributed to
Krutishil Swadhyaees. The Krutishil had powerful "ASMITA" and "SELF
CONFIDENCE" they did not want to receive as PRASAD. Pujya Dada further mentioned that if they want take that money then he will personnaly will
come to village and distribute that money.

People talk about Crores of Rupees. One know that Swadhayee received the "BARREN LAND" from villages or districts. Nothing was growing except the
weeds. Sometimes even weeds wan't grow.

These lands are cultivated by Swadhyee Pujaris and now it is worth more money. They must be caounting the value of Land in the total wealth.
These are not REALIZED wealth.

Ashvin Sheth
ashvin.sheth@boeing.com

10:01 PM

Anonymous said...
Jay Yogeshwar.

I couldn't agree more with what Ashvinbhai has stated.

I had privilege to be personally involved with Shrambhakti at Bhardwaj Vrukshmandir at Rampara village in Bharuch district (on the banks of Narmada River). This was in 1988/89 period.

In the original land there was nothing but 'Bhekhads' i.e. completely uneven and barren land. Thousands of Swadhyayees with their Shrambhakti levelled the ground in couple of months and the Vrukshmandir was created.

Unfortunately I didn't have opportunity to visit the Vrukshmandir after it was setup but last I heard from a local brother, it is now a beautiful place due to Lord Yogeshwar's grace, Pujya Dadaji's Aashirwad and Pujari bhaiyo's Bhakti on continuous basis.

And I am sure the land is now worth lot more than what it was before.

All Swadhyay trust accounts in India are filed with Charity Commissioner and anyone can go to Charity Commissioner to get copy of Swadhyay trust accounts.

On a different note - we live in post Enron/Worldcom era and I do agree that Audited accounts of all charities / trusts should be published on the website so that any member of public can see it (without having to visit Charity Commissioner's office). But this requirement can not be selectively applied to Swadhyay Trusts only - it should be applied to all Religious/Non-religious NGO/Charities/Trusts.

Nilesh Sahita
Singapore

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:13am

Pankajbhai was "Shahid' as per noted thinker Gunvant Shah.

Pankajbhai died because he wanted trusts accounts to be audited by CA association in India.

Why can't Swadhyay be first and put all his accounts for public scrutiny? What do they have to hide or be afraid? Be Nirbhay as Dada said.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:20am

As I asked Ravibhai earlier,
I am still very curious to know the process and practice of Bhaav Samarpan. I have been attending Swadhyay since last several years, but was never asked a penny to contribute.
Even during the Earthquake we did not know when and how it was collected in our town.
(Was I kept aloof?)

Is it a cetain percentage, or sum?
Is it decided by Swadhyayee himself or Pandurang?
Is it every month or on certain occasions only?
Is it different for salaried and business people?
Is it cash only? and is it receipted?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:33am

I have another question to Ashvinbhai and Nileshbhai who are defending Didi and her trusts.

Can you guide me how one applies for money from these trusts? Like me and thousands of other swadhayis in villages and town need money for crisis from time to time.

Is there a formal application form?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by LongTimer on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:37am

Friends,

Swadhyay has been a part of my life since birth. I attended Swadhyay regularly and was always very active in all of its facets for a majority of my life. However, I became disillusioned around 2002-2003 when long-time Swadhyayees were being excommunicated from the organization. I thought to myself, "How can anybody deny one access to philosophical and spiritual symposium?" The resounding answer during a closed session from people high in the organization - including Didi - was that "we cannot forgive these people because they are not human, they are animals." It is painful for me to relay this but I heard it with my own ears. "How could the same people that taught me that god is within everyone tell me that there is an exception and these specific people are animals," I thought. This was also around the time that the structure of Swadhyay started to change. The "Motabhai" position became more prevalent within the organization and one could start to sense the vertical hierarchy where before it felt more like horizontal leadership. Discussion, the most beautiful part about Swadhyay pre-2002, was constricted on all levels. This was particularly d**n
ing for me, an American-born teen who wanted nothing more than to learn about my culture and religion through the Socratic Method. Eventually, the structure yielded an atmosphere in which one could ask a question and the only person that could reply was a Motabhai. However, if that question was too racy, there was always the looming fear that one could be excommunicated. This environment is what took Swadhyay to its plateau and then on its gradual decline.

Having said (and perhaps ranted) all of that, I must also note that anything I know about my culture and religion today has a direct relation to Swadhyay. Swadhyay inspired me, especially now, to turn to the religious texts themselves for "self-study." Swadhyay gave me such high expectations for myself. Swadhyay gave me a sense of pride in my culture and my country. Swadhyay instilled a desire to learn about all religions and not only Hinduism. Swadhyay has given me so much in my life and I expect that it will continue to give me more, but I hate to see this hope squandered by the follies of an oligarchy. I cannot speak about Swadhyay in India because I don't have enough experience with it, but I can say that Swadhyay in America is a very different environment. Some centers are so far removed from the "governing" aspect of Swadhyay that it is almost as if they are operating independently. Because of that, I think those centers, in practice, are closely aligned with the original, ideal intentions of Dada. Perhaps that is the fix needed. It is callous and speculative for people to generalize that all Swadhyayees are brainwashed and blind-followers. I can name many more free-thinking, logic-based Swadhyayees than blind-followers. So many individuals I know who have done laudable things attribute their inspiration for doing such things to the principles that Swadhyay imparted to them. I simply ask this from the posters and readers of this thread, please do not base your opinion of Swadhyay and Swadhyayees upon the actions of a minority. Honestly, that minority is not at the center of Swadhyay. All I know is that I am who I am today because of the "Golden Age" of Swadhyay and I would hate for people in the future to miss that because of mismanagement within the hierarchy.

On one last note, I really find it disheartening that this thread has dwindled into a forum of name-calling and character-bashing. I do not think that - and correct me if I am wrong - Vijaybhai started this thread with the aforementioned as his intentions. Why not talk about relevant solutions to what can be done to mend this organization instead of who should be killed, who should go to jail, etc. Our culture has always placed an emphasis upon progress and change and there are people here who are making a mockery of that tradition.

Thank You
Thank you for your input. This thread was started to discuss issues openly.
I have never attended Swadhyay personally, but I am inpressed with degree of discipline that I have seen in hundreds of Swadhyayees in Central Texas area. I have met many youth whose life has been shaped by Swadhyay.
Based on everything I have read about Pankajbhai and Vinoo Sachania etc, they used to be in Swadhyay with same dedication. Something went wrong and suddenly they are being compared to Rakshshs. One is murdered and many other burtally beaten. Everyone I have talked did convey that "you do not ask questions" (Sounds more like some other cults I know where total submission is a must).
Everything I have heard so far .. no one has made a statement that "Money raised for earthquake did go for them Rupee for Rupee. I have never seen any statement from any Motabhai or Didi to renounce violence on the other hand there is evidence that in an indirect way they might have instigated hatered that lead to murder.
I hope more people will post how wonderful Swadhyay is and those who know would suggest how we can change this for better.
We do live in a time where transperancy and accountability is more important than charm.
I personally feel that all these discussions are constructive and will lead to even stronger Swadhyay. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NILESH SAHITA on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:47am

We have received message from Nilesh Sahita that this message was not posted by him. It may be that there are more than one Nilesh Sahita or someone is posting message under assumed name to defame Nilesh. - Vijay Mehta
I know exactly how the fortune is made by Father and Daughter Duo.

Yes, it is true that they will not ask you for money or Bhav-Samarpan for first few years. After few years, someone from inner circle in your swadhyay kendra, who might have developed some relationship with you, will approach you and say something like this, " You have been swadhyayee for three -four years now. It is now time that you become "Krutisheel", meaning start Bhav-samarpan and become an aggressive marketer ( to go on Lav-feri) and work for free at SHUBHAG (another money generating scheme where assembly work from Corporations like Sony is contracted and DAY is paid for the job). Infact after attending Swadhyay for some years, one swadhyayee from my kendra stopped by at my place after swadhyay and asked me to consider offering bhav-samarpan and he even told me that date, time and place where to go and offered me that I can even ride with him.

During your first few Lav-Feri trips, you are under a supervision of a senior marketer and he or she may very well inform you that consult him or her before you say something. The whole idea is to create an image of Dada as an AVATAR and Didi as BHAVANI.

In order to exploit people, you need to kill their brain cells first. Study any cult and you will see this phenomenon, I gaurantee it.

Second, did anyone ever paid any attention to why the printed price in rupees of any swadhyay book is covered under a sticker and a price in US $ is hand written? I want everyone reading this message to look at all the books that they had bought, look at the price in US $ and look at the covered proce in Indian rupees and you will be shocked to find out that the profit margin ranges anywhere from 25 times to 35 times the original printed retail price.

Third, in Swadhyay flow money had ALWAYS been ONE-WAY. Money flows from the society to Swadhyay Leadership but not the other way around.

Fourth, dedicated ( I mean Brainwashed) swadhyayis work free for Yogeshwar-Krishi, at Madhav-Kendra in Chicago, Matsya-gandha and many other money generating schemes. Swadhyay in fact sell them the vegetable grown by them...how disgusting?

Not only that, if any of these dedicated (brainwahsed) swadhyayis want to take "Vidya-Prem-Vardhan" tests on hindu religion, they charge them $10 fee.

If you calim that Swadhyay works as " Pracharak of Veidic Sanskruti" and interested in spreading ideals of Geeta, why do you charge $

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:52am

Focus of this forum shall remain finding brain( and not brains as her cronies are just puppets) behind Pankajbhai's brutal murder.

In that process, many views will come. However Junta ( Public) is very smart to find value of each posting and make their own judgement.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6^th, 2006, 11:07am

Dear,

BHAV-SAMARPAN....samarpan your MOH (affection) for you real family (your real sister,brother and dada,dadi) and wealth and work in the name of God for God or with god. Dadaji himself dint samarpan MOH for her daughter and money.

Here are the few money making schemes associated with bhav-samarpan, making poor people work in the name of god. who is god?? which god??

http://swadhyay.org/matsya.htm
http://swadhyay.org/krishi.htm

Ashwin bhai, I am talking about Bhavnirjer (34 Acre land in ahmedabad), the leased expired in 2002 and false cases filed by swadhyay Mothabhai against Mr Pankaj Trivedi and other VIR's who fought for truth. You only gave an example of land that's not worth anything, or you are told to do so.

ashvin.sheth@boeing.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 6^th, 2006, 11:29am

Ashvinbhai,

Do you need a proof that the donation collected for Bhuj earthquake victims was not used to BUILD houses for the earthquake victims?

Can you prove it to me that 100% of the money collected in USA for earthquake victims were sent to INDIA and used to BUILD houses?

Can you deny the FACT that the cash balance on DAY's books had been consistently inceasing for over a decade? What is DAY's current cash balance?

Can you tell us who gets the profits made by selling books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs?

Can you deny the FACT that "SHRADHDHA" trust exists and only Athvale family members are sole trustees in this trust?

Can you tell us how many different trusts Swadhyay has and who are the trustees?

Can you tell us how many crores Swadhyay has accumulated in different trusts?

Can you tell us the total value of land, including Bhav-Nirzar land that Swadhyay acquired?

Can you deny the FACT that questions are not allowed in any meetings and if someone dare to ask questions, he or she is intimidated to set an examples so other people do not even dare to ask questions in future?

Can you deny the FACT that brainwashing, manipulation and exploitation have been going on for years?

Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?

Can you deny the FACT that DAY's financial books were NEVER opened for the followers for inspection?

Can you deny the FACT that if someone writes a letter to DAY asking for the detailed information on earthquake donation issue, DAY's attorney replies and denies the request for information?

Can you deny the FACT that Shibirs and camps are used mainly for brainwashing and recruit more volunteers?

Can you deny the FACT that Dada's Putri-Moha is the same as DRUTRASHTRA's Putra-Moha and Dada's act of GADI-PRATHA establishment is fundamentally wrong and is betrayal of trust of unsuspecting followers?

Who pays for Didi's frequent trips overseas every year in summer when it is hot in INDIA?

Can you ADMIT that it is inappropriate that you use poor swadhyayis for FREE MARKETING, I mean LAV-FERI and Didi spends charity money collected as a result of hard work, dedication and bhav-samarpan of poor fellow swadhyayees?

Has Dada ever worked in his life? How did he managed his finances?

Has Didi or her husnabd ever worked? How do they manage their finance?

What kind of business Didi's husband is in?

Can you prove it to us that the drama "TUMHARI-AMRITA" was ever played by swadhyay?

Please answer these questions FIRST in CLEAR TERMS and a STRAIGHT FORWARD manner before I ask many more questions.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 6^th, 2006, 11:55am

Thanks Nilesh Sahita and Ravibhai for the expalnation of Bhaav Samarpan

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6^th, 2006, 11:57am

"Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?" the Guest Wrote.

Dadaji has said in past (its a paragraph from his book, Pankaj bhai can you please put the link here) to defend himself and fool the poor and uneducated masses. This is how he brain washed them, comparing himself with Ram and Krishna and who ever opposed him or whatever he is doing is a Devil (Raksas). Mr. Pankaj Trivedi's death is result of such a brainwash.

Thanks God the Killers are caught and the truth is out there.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Bhagvan ke gher der hain, Andher nahi....

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Common hindustani on Jul 6^th, 2006, 12:11pm

Dear Ravi,
I have been follwoing your postings since long. Let me tell you that still justice is not done. Still Jayshree T. is not caught (the devil mind) and she is stillenjoynig loads of money. Please do not say "Bhagwaan ke ghar mainetc etc"""
There is no GOD and nothing happen to corrupt people like Jayshree T. Look at Indian politician ... what happened to them? what happened to Telgi or JAylalita or Laloo Prasad ? They were involved in so many scandals.

So Satyamav Jaytee only works in hindi movies. Well, I still admire all effort you are putting and I wish you good luck ...

With you.
A common Hindustani

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NOT A BLIND FOLLOWER on Jul 6^th, 2006, 12:50pm

If Didi is innocent, why her Cronies from US are in Ahmedabad and what are they doing over there huh

?

Where in Hinduism it is supported that you perfrom "ASHI-VISARJAN" two years after a person is dead?

How many times this SHOW of ASHI-VISARJAN repeat in future?

Look at the location selected this time for ASHI-VISARJAN, South India as they want to penetrate that part of India now.

There is a striking similarity between how a political party works and how Didi is running Swadhyay. Well, at least in political aprties, there is some level of democracy but in Swadhyay Didi is a DICTATOR.

Political parties also organize SAMMELANS. similar to Didi's KHASTRIYA SAMMELAN.

Why not BRAHMIN SAMMELAN huh

? Brahmins are for BALI only, like Late Shri Pankajbhai?

Why not sammelan of Intellectuals, free thinkers, open minded critics?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Come ON Guys on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:25pm

I am detecting lots of messages from USA and also from India.

Where are the guys from UK

Have they worn 'BANGLES' & SAREES so that they are shy/frightened to come out and express their anger/view/opinion??

Or they think what's happening is all fine as long as it does not affect them.

Come on gyus..........at least ......be brave enough, to expree your solidarity.....

Didi will not kill you by doing so.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:49pm

Dear Vijaybhai,

Someone has been using my name to post article like below to defame me.

As the owner of the forum I trust you will take necessary action to act on it and remove from your forum immediately.

Regards,
- Nilesh

Dear Nileshbhai,
I have posted a clarifying message on that post. Obviously you feel totally differently than the post under your name. If you need we may be able to give you the IP address of that person using your name. Thank you for nice conversation. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:59pm

If he was indeed 'Shahid' - why did he ask for police protection? Did Bhagat Singh ask for police protection?

He was not even a Swadhyayee. His own son admitted that his fater never introduced him to Swadhyay. It is a very known fact that all Swadhyayees encourage their kids to be part of Swadhyay from young age. Pankaj Trivedi was a fake Swadhyayee.

I would have more respect for him if he had lived for establishing an alternate to Swadhyay to show how he can do better than Swadhyay.

He was a reckless character who could not manage his ego in Swadhyay.

Very easy to say "I have seen a Dedh-garoli falling in Doodhpak and it is my duty to spill it" but very difficult to create a new Doodhpak.

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:13am, Guest-Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai wrote:

Pankajbhai was "Shahid' as per noted thinker Gunvant Shah.

Pankajbhai died because he wanted trusts accounts to be audited by CA association in India.

Why can't Swadhyay be first and put all his accounts for public scrutiny? What do they have to hide or be afraid? Be Nirbhay as Dada said.

I guess you sound proud that Pankajbhai is murdered. But I am not sure if all senior leadership and five guys in jail and many other Khotabhais would agree with you.
This Brahm Hatya has put a spotlight on the operations. And it might open the door for more news to come out. Pankajbhai wanted all to know that he may have to die and in that event all his appeals will become relevent as it did!!!
Gandhiji invited all the foreing media before salt march. What better way to let the world see what goes on. I think Pankajbhai did the right thing by letting everyone know what was going to happen. History will judge him as the true swadhyayee. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:05pm

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:59pm, Guest-A Swadhyayee wrote:

If he was indeed 'Shahid' - why did he ask for police protection? Did Bhagat Singh ask for police protection?

He was not even a Swadhyayee. His own son admitted that his fater never introduced him to Swadhyay. It is a very known fact that all Swadhyayees encourage their kids to be part of Swadhyay from young age. Pankaj Trivedi was a fake Swadhyayee.

I would have more respect for him if he had lived for establishing an alternate to Swadhyay to show how he can do better than Swadhyay.

He was a reckless character who could not manage his ego in Swadhyay.

Very easy to say "I have seen a Dedh-garoli falling in Doodhpak and it is my duty to spill it" but very difficult to create a new Doodhpak.

A fitting reply! It means that Pankaj was rakshah and he should be removed form the system. A perfect way to fight religious war. Way to go swadhyay! We will learn more such things from swadhyay and thier leaders. way to go! God bless swadhyay

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayi no 1 on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:07pm

Killing Pankaj is not a crime as he was against god's work. We support killers. Law and order ki to aaisi ki taisi

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by N Singa on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:09pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:21pm

We invite Sachhidanand and his followers to go to each and every household in India.

Swadhyay is strong because strong grassroot network. No other contemporary organization in India has guts to go house to house and share their thoughts.

Sachhidanand is no action talk only. He spoke at Tirthraj Milan in 1986 also - he has seen what Swadhyay has done and how Swadhyay works. But what exactly Sachchidanand has done in last 20/30 years?

Let it be clear - no NGO in India has done any work without begging (donation solicitation) whereas in Swadhyay no one is being asked to ever donate.

In other post someone told that after a while people are indirectly asked to donate - this is pure BULLSHIT. First of all if anyone ever says it is 'Donation' - it is never accepted. Second, only if the person comes to Swadhyay for at least six months then only he is allowed to donate. Thirdly, only if someone specifically asks about how he can help financially - the concept of 'Bhaav Samarpan' is explained and he is allowd to do his 'Bhaav Samarpan'. Fourth - no one is ever reminded about 'Bhaav Samarpan'.

Dadaji had exercised utmost caution re: money matters and all these allegations about financial misappropriations are nothing but BULLSHIT. All Swadhyay trust accounts are filed with Charity Commissioner and anyone can go to Charity Commissioner and ask for it. As for question why these accounts are not published in public - well, this is not required in India and no NGO does it including Swaminarayan. So one can not expect Swadhyay to be doing something that Indian system doesn't expect it to do so.

When I read some of the posts on this forum - it is very clear to me that either some of you have never been to Swadhyay or you have never understood spirit of Swadhyay.

I was in Tamilnadu for whole of last week and I can tell you with my utmost conviction that same Swadhyay spirit that I had seen 25 years ago is still alive. If some people are not able to see it, then it is absolutely and positively because they have never done any Krutibhakti in their life. Go to villages of Tamilnadu, Andhra, Uttaranchal, MP, Rajasthan and not to forget Maharastra / Gujarat where Swadhyay has reached, speak to common folks there and you know what Swadhyay is all about.

30,000 folks from Maharastra and 1,400+ NRIs spent one week in Tamilnadu doing their Krutibhakti.

I invite M/s Sachchidanand & co. to be able to get even 200 people together for one week and spread their message.

There are always people who will not be able to fit into Swadhyay - whether immediately, 5 years or 20 years later. But for every such person there are also people who are in this work for longer time and they know what they are doing. They are doing real work rather than barking on Internet behind anonymous curtain.

Interestingly enough Sachhidanand's 'Chinatan Mandal' was organized at 'Andhjan (Blind) Mandal Auditorium'.
Take care and God bless us all. There will always be blind people in the society who can not see the impact of Swadhyay on lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

This Sachhidanand had never put his skin in Swadhyay and yet he had balls to advice Dadaji in past about how to run Swadhyay etc. Get lost brother - as far as Swadhyay Parivar matter is concerned, Dada / Didi is more qualified you than armchair critic who has achieved nothing in 75 years of his life.

God bless all including Sachhidanand...

on Jul 5^th, 2006, 5:38pm, Guest-Rajiv Suratwala wrote:

Nice to see Swami Sachhidanand speaking against Jayshree. Hopefully message will reach faster to common man in India. Lets hope for the best.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dadi on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:27pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:29pm

Well - no one in Swadhyay want to get anyone killed.

If you have some brain think about it - Pankaj was openly against Swadhyay for long time. Even if you assume that Swadhyay believes in terminating people (which it doesn't) - why it would terminate Pankaj two weeks before the last Archirayan program? Does this make sense to you? It doesn't make sense to me.

At the end of the day - Police should catch the culprits and people found guilty behind this crime should be punished. No one is above law and no one should be allowed to take law into their own hand.

Didi has said very clearly in Rameshwar that Swadhyay Parivar will face this crisis with calm, clear and composed response.

We will do what we like - Pujya Dadaji's work and you do what you can do best - mudslinging.

We know people who had been part of Parivar in the past and are not in the Parivar now are hurt emotionally because having seen how good Swadhyay work is they are not able to join other Baba/Bapu's "equivalent" organization and as they say in Gujarati "Navaro Betho Nakhkhod Wale". But too bad - that is something that you need to figure out.

Bye, bye cheesy

I wonder if your eyes are opened any more after nine staunch swadhyayees behing bar including motabhai Manish Savsani and Bharat Bhatt? Do you think if Ghanshyam Chudasama can lead the police to murder weapon then he must be involved or are you thinking that he had a devine vision and figured out where the murder weapon was? - Vijay Mehta

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:05pm, Guest-Nilesh Singapori wrote:

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mangela on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:33pm

Please do not take credit away from swadhyay. 5 swadhyayies killed Pankaj (Rakshah) and they also admitted in front of police and public. So swadhyay must celebrate this victory. swadhyay is the way to go and kill who oppose! Please let swadhyay motabhais take credit for this. and most of these murderers were very close to Didi. Didi used to visit their houses. These are not some random people. Do not discount 10 other incidence of violence. Only thing common among all these victims was they questions the leadership and they were devout members once. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:35pm

Tirthraj Milan in 1976? Hmmm... This proves that you are a fake Swadhyayee....

Take care buddy.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramki on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:38pm

If Didi is innocent, why her Cronies from US are in Ahmedabad and what are they doing over there?

Where in Hinduism it is supported that you perfrom "ASHI-VISARJAN" two years after a person is dead?

How many times this SHOW of ASHI-VISARJAN repeat in future?

Look at the location selected this time for ASHI-VISARJAN, South India as they want to penetrate that part of India now.

There is a striking similarity between how a political party works and how Didi is running Swadhyay. Well, at least in political aprties, there is some level of democracy but in Swadhyay Didi is a DICTATOR.

Political parties also organize SAMMELANS. similar to Didi's KHASTRIYA SAMMELAN.

Why not BRAHMIN SAMMELAN? Brahmins are for BALI only, like Late Shri Pankajbhai?

Why not sammelan of Intellectuals, free thinkers, open minded critics?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by questions for swadhyay on Jul 6^th, 2006, 3:39pm

Can you prove it to me that 100% of the money collected in USA for earthquake victims were sent to INDIA and used to BUILD houses?

Can you deny the FACT that the cash balance on DAY's books had been consistently inceasing for over a decade? What is DAY's current cash balance?

Can you tell us who gets the profits made by selling books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs?

Can you deny the FACT that "SHRADHDHA" trust exists and only Athvale family members are sole trustees in this trust?

Can you tell us how many different trusts Swadhyay has and who are the trustees?

Can you tell us how many crores Swadhyay has accumulated in different trusts?

Can you tell us the total value of land, including Bhav-Nirzar land that Swadhyay acquired?

Can you deny the FACT that questions are not allowed in any meetings and if someone dare to ask questions, he or she is intimidated to set an examples so other people do not even dare to ask questions in future?

Can you deny the FACT that brainwashing, manipulation and exploitation have been going on for years?

Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?

Can you deny the FACT that DAY's financial books were NEVER opened for the followers for inspection?

Can you deny the FACT that if someone writes a letter to DAY asking for the detailed information on earthquake donation issue, DAY's attorney replies and denies the request for information?

Can you deny the FACT that Shibirs and camps are used mainly for brainwashing and recruit more volunteers?

Can you deny the FACT that Dada's Putri-Moha is the same as DRUTRASHTRA's Putra-Moha and Dada's act of GADI-PRATHA establishment is fundamentally wrong and is betrayal of trust of unsuspecting followers?

Who pays for Didi's frequent trips overseas every year in summer when it is hot in INDIA?

Can you ADMIT that it is inappropriate that you use poor swadhyayis for FREE MARKETING, I mean LAV-FERI and Didi spends charity money collected as a result of hard work, dedication and bhav-samarpan of poor fellow swadhyayees?

Has Dada ever worked in his life? How did he managed his finances?

Has Didi or her husnabd ever worked? How do they manage their finance?

What kind of business Didi's husband is in?

Can you prove it to us that the drama "TUMHARI-AMRITA" was ever played by swadhyay?

Please answer these questions FIRST in CLEAR TERMS and a STRAIGHT FORWARD manner before I ask many more questions.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:11pm

Didi has said very clearly in Rameshwar that Swadhyay Parivar will face this crisis with calm, clear and composed response.

So now we have to wait for another 6 months till everything is organized like Pankajbhai's killing for response.

What is Police doing? Waiting for another murder to happen before catching Didi.

Manish in trouble
Post by Hetal on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:13pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayi from Singapore on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:15pm

Nilesh,

Would you please stop this crap of ego...........Every one who left Swadhyay for principles are bad and they have EGO problem and BLIND FOLLOWERS who are still in SWADHYAY are PERFECT. Just look at your leader Didi. Her EGO is even taller than Mount Everest and that even without any knowledge on spirituality.

Is this a result of "ASHMITA-JAGRUTI" efforts?

Or may be Dada was a "PARASMANI" and who ever came in his contact converted in to a egoistic character.

Well, the BLIND FOLLOWER'S BRAIN CELLS ARE DESTROYED so how can they have any EGO or ASHMITA? Didi's cronies like yourself have transformed open minded people into a blind followers for your own selfish motives and now they are acting like a ROBOT.

Your arguments are not only illogical but they are irrational and factually wrong, Nilesh. Be creative and come up with some new lies.

Don't repeat your stupidity again. People have witnessed YOUR TRUE CHARACTER on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS for SWADHYAY. Don't come up with more lies and avoid answering questions.

If you really want to be part of the discussion, ANSWER those questions in a very CLEAR MANNER rather than finding out who is who and indulging in smear campaign and character assissnation.

Let us all hope that Nilesh will be a "good boy" and has learned some manners in last few years.

Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by nagrik samiti on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:15pm

Gujarati Article. Rajkot Nagrik Samiti recommends for government to take over all the charitable trusts and hand over them to common swadhyayees.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by police is with Jayshree on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:20pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news5.html
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sachhidanand on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:20pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news1_02.html
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Trivedi must have been sanctioned by Didi
Post by Mahesh shah on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:21pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news2.html

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Main points of disagreement
Post by Lets talk in open on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:21pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news4.html

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Five areas of contention between Pankaj Trivedi and Didi.
According to Mahesh shah old Swadhyayee and good friend of Pankajbhai there were five main areas of disagreement.
1. If Swadhyay claims to rebuild 40,000 houses, where are this houses. Only 4-5,000 houses were rebuild.
2. Bhav Nirzar is a temple and should be accessible to any devotee.
3. Accounting of various trusts that hold funds from Swadhyay activities. What is the purpose of accumulating wealth?
4. Dada had promised all the money received from Templeton Award to use of Swadhyay activities, why it was diverted to family?
5. Love letters between Ashok Joshi and Didi - both were married at the time of letters.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Archana on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:23pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news7.html

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another foreign trip for Jayshree T ? Let us see if she goes to Gujarat or runs away?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ranjeet on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:25pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news15.html

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dear Vijaybhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:26pm

FYI ... The "BAHURUPIA" person who assumed more than half a dozen names on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS for SWADHYAY is compalining about someone else using his name...

Herambuster=Trueswadhyayi1=HIRDIP=MukundM=mptshah=Janmohammed2003 just to name a few.

Nilesh, do you want me to post the threatening messages you had posted on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS?

Review of last 50 posts have revealed that
Post # 384, 408, 413 posted under "Paying tribute to Pankajbhai'
Post # 389, 403, 407, 410 posted under Mukesh,
Post # 391 posted under "Indian Citizen"
Post # 385 posted under "Asheet

are likely to be one and the same person according to my webmaster.
Please refrain from posting under different names. I am sure others are doing the same thing. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by The swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:28pm

Dear Brother A SWADHYAYEE(Brain Washed),

Still you want to say police will catch the culprits; police already declared they caught hands and they are looking for Brains....Iam sorry yours already washed out

next she want to face it calmly coz now she cant be able to give threaten or what?

next you cant do whatever you want just see what's happening around.

Bahurupia..
Post by Roma on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:29pm

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:26pm, Guest-Dear Vijaybhai wrote:

FYI ... The "BAHURUPIA" person who assumed more than half a dozen names on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS for SWADHYAY is compalining about someone else using his name...

Herambuster=Trueswadhyayi1=HIRDIP=MukundM=mptshah=Janmohammed2003 just to name a few.

Nilesh, do you want me to post the threatening messages you had posted on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS?

Please post those messages and let people know how nilesh has adopted to swadhyay thoery in real life. Let people know how swadhyay represntative talk to others.

You are also posting under Roma # 445, Ajay Doshi # 446; Rakesh # 447 and Rajesh Parikh # 448!
Why can't you post all that in one post?
- Vijay Mehta,

Jayshree's love letters were not a script
Post by Ajay Doshi on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:35pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news13.html

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Bhagawanano Bhag used for helping criminals
Post by Rakesh on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:38pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news20.html

Swadhyay now fighting in court to save thier people. Kona baap ni diwali? Who will pay to fight the case? They could not use the trust funds for earthquake relief but now to protect Jayshree from going to jail the Swadhyay is spending money like there is no to morrow.

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Hitesh Chudasama goes underground
Post by Rajesh Parikh on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:42pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news6.html

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 6^th, 2006, 5:13pm

Dear Vijaybhai,

Why two of my last messges were deleted?

Sorry, I can not tell you out of many that were deleted what post urs was. Please send to me at vijayvip@aol.com or post it again. Please make sure to avoid name calling and discussing topics not related to Pankajbhai. Remeber one man is dead and his family and friends do visit this frequently. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 5:57pm

Is there any internet savvy person who can make sure that articles published by Gujarati Newspapers on "Pankaj Trivedi Murder" comes in search engines, Google, Yahoo, MSN.

There are lot of non-Gujaratis interested in these articles.

Link to Information In English:

http://www.swadhyayee.org/download/EnglishDocs/

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=808&cattype=NEWS

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=809&cattype=NEWS

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=814&cattype=NEWS

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=804&cattype=NEWS

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 7:01pm

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Re: Bahurupia..
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 6^th, 2006, 7:05pm

Vijaybhai - thanks for exposing these Bahrupia who has posted messages under different names in your forum.

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 4:29pm, Guest-Roma wrote:

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6^th, 2006, 7:12pm

Vijaybhai,

Yes - indeed it was a nice conversation that we had a while ago.

Yes, please send me IP addresses of messages that were posted under my name (I will email you my email address separately).

I will arrange to speak with a US Attorney to see what action I can and should take.

I appreciate your prompt and firm action with respect to this.

To all who are posting messages under my name:

We all live in post 9/11 era and do not think you can not be found out. You have committed act of "Identity Theft" which is a crime and you may have landed yourself into a legal mess without realizing it.

Just remember ignorance is not an excuse and Prison has no broadband service

Regards,
- Nilesh

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:49pm, Guest-Nilesh Sahita wrote:

Dear Vijaybhai,

Someone has been using my name to post article like below to defame me.

As the owner of the forum I trust you will take necessary action to act on it and remove from your forum immediately.

Regards,
- Nilesh

Dear Nileshbhai,
I have posted a clarifying message on that post. Obviously you feel totally differently than the post under your name. If you need we may be able to give you the IP address of that person using your name. Thank you for nice conversation. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 6^th, 2006, 7:39pm

Vijay...you have been doing a great job moderating this discussion board..keep up the good work.

Nilesh, you're quite a tough guy. Threatening lawsuits sometimes works just fine, but remember, the USA is the land of litigation. You're going to contact and pay a US based lawyer to file suit against somebody who posted a single message on an anonymous message board, a message that was nowhere near dangerous? Good luck...

If you have something to say, then say it without making empty threats....oh wait, you probably have already using one of your many alias usernames, since I highly doubt you just started monitoring this thread.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6^th, 2006, 7:50pm

Here are few illegal doing of one of the swadhyayi MOTABHAI Chandrashi Jadeja involved in kiling of Pankaj Trivedi. Can some one translate the into english Please?? Are all so called Motabhai in real Khotabhai?? Where did they learn to snatch land from others? Is this topic included into swadhyay Parivar 101 teachings, or are they doing the same what KAVRAV did 5000 years ago!

As I understand back in June, 1992 There was a prime land in Padadhari. There was 750 Sq ft of prime land. Panchayat voted for 15x10 size cabins. Chandrasinh Jadeja, a Motabhai and Swadhyayi (who now in jail for Pankajbhai�s murder), applied under different names and got the land for 11 months. Now many years later he owns a complex valued at 40 Lakh Rupees!

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6^th, 2006, 7:50pm

Dear Unbelievable,

Identity Theft is a crime.

Whoever is committing this crime - stop it or be prepared to face the music.

Let me repeat - post 9/11 - there is no such thing as 'anonymous'. Every thing can be tracked.

My suggestion to Vijaybhai is - please do not allow anonymous posting on this forum. Let people who are willing to write their name and who are willing to stand by what they write participate in this forum.

It will make this forum truly useful and beneficial to everyone.

- Nilesh

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 6^th, 2006, 8:11pm

Nilesh,

The only reason most people are posting anonymously is that they don't want the same fate (for themselves and their families) as Pankaj Trivedi or the 10 others.

If the threat of physical or emotional backlash towards my family was not there, I would be the first to use my real name.

P.S Someone posting a message on an anonymous board using your name is not identity theft. Who says there aren't other Nilesh Sahita's out there?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6^th, 2006, 8:35pm

Can we list all trust that were and are operated under "swadyay Parivar" those currently in operation and those closed after filing bankruptcy (in this case the money or land was transfered to another trust owned by the owners of swadhyay parivar main trust or sold for profit). I want the location or the town name where the trust were registered or were just run.

Thanks

Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6^th, 2006, 8:46pm

Brother Unbelievable,

I will be more than happy if you can find another Nilesh Sahita in the world

Seriously speaking - posting message on my name is a serious matter and once again I request all indulging in such acts to think carefully before what they do.

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 8:11pm, Guest-Unbelievable wrote:

Nilesh,

The only reason most people are posting anonymously is that they don't want the same fate (for themselves and their families) as Pankaj Trivedi or the 10 others.

If the threat of physical or emotional backlash towards my family was not there, I would be the first to use my real name.

P.S Someone posting a message on an anonymous board using your name is not identity theft. Who says there aren't other Nilesh Sahita's out there?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 9:28pm

1.How about all the false cases filed against Pankajbhai which your so called 'Parivar' lost and got a stricture from High Court Judge for misusing the system? Any apology or slightest of remorse will show that you have some 'swadhyay' quality left.

2. For moral matters-Dadaji has more standing than anyone else. You are entitled to your opinion. However this is again a characteristic of a typical cult memeber who does not want to see any evil of a person for whom he has been brain-washed.

3.I have spoken to many villagers myself who go to swadhyay and they speak good about everybody who go to them with any religious pretext. That type of ignorance is what makes business of religion thrive in my beloved Gujarat. I have also spoken to villagers who go to Swaminarayan in Gujarat and they do not speak well about Swadhyay.

Today it will be your worth before you open your mouth and go to villages in Gujarat and find out what villagers are talking about Didi and her brand of Swadhyay.

I am only hoping that Gujarat Government does not succumb to greed(as some media have reported that crores of rupees bribes are offered to remove Didi's name from chargesheet) as I am sure that by now they have realized that there is nothing to fear from Didi and her blind faith follower like you.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 9:45pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6^th, 2006, 9:59pm

1.How about all the false cases filed against Pankajbhai which your so called 'Parivar' lost and got a stricture from High Court Judge for misusing the system? Any apology or slightest of remorse will show that you have some 'swadhyay' quality left.

Please refer to the statements issued by Swadhyay Parivar in this matter.

2. For moral matters-Dadaji has more standing than anyone else. You are entitled to your opinion. However this is again a characteristic of a typical cult memeber who does not want to see any evil of a person for whom he has been brain-washed.

As I said before you are entitled to your opinion and so are we.

3. I have spoken to many villagers myself who go to swadhyay and they speak good about everybody who go to them with any religious pretext. That type of ignorance is what makes business of religion thrive in my beloved Gujarat. I have also spoken to villagers who go to Swaminarayan in Gujarat and they do not speak well about Swadhyay.

I do not want to go in to Swadhyay v/s Swaminarayan war here. They do what they think is best and we do what we think is best. This may not be zero sum game - may be society needs both.

It is clear to me that you have never put a foot in any Gujarat village in your lifetime. Let me tell you this - Swadhyay message has reached each and every village in Gujarat. Obviously some part of the population has picked it up and some part has not. For those people who are part of Swadhyay Parivar - this latest crisis has not affected them. For those who were not part of Parivar (for whatever reason and we respect their choice) - obviously this has given them one more reason to do so and that is fine with us.

4. Today it will be your worth before you open your mouth and go to villages in Gujarat and find out what villagers are talking about Didi and her brand of Swadhyay.

Do not give me Bull!$#@ of what villagers are talking about, OK? Instead of relying on cheapo Gujju media, it will be worthwhile for you to go to villages and check the situation yourself.

In any case - Swadhyay has never been afraid of what some section of society is talking about.

I remember that even back in 80's also there were Swadhyay Critics and there will always be sections of society which doesn't find Swadhyay acceptable because Swadhyay doesn't allow them to fulfill their personal ego. For e.g. if one goes to Swadhyay and do Swadhyay work for 10/20 years - no where his/her name is mentioned on the stage but even if someone give $1,000/- to local community, they are happy to announce his/her name on the stage. To some people this (prestige) gives more gratification than path that Dadaji has shown - and they should follow the path according to their level of development/understanding.

In Swadhyay one has to sublime their ego and work with everyone in the Yagniya spirit which is not everyone's cup of tea.

5. I am only hoping that Gujarat Government does not succumb to greed(as some media have reported that crores of rupees bribes are offered to remove Didi's name from chargesheet) as I am sure that by now they have realized that there is nothing to fear from Didi and her blind faith follower like you.

Hmmm.... crores of rupees bribes offered to remove Didi's name from chargesheet? Are you nuts? Do you think Indian state machinery and judiciary is Timbuktu state?

You can call me blind faith follower and I can call you blind faith critic and we can keep doing this namecalling until cows come home. I suspect you have not met many people who are in Swadhyay and you like to believe all of us in Swadhyay are because of blind faith follower. Well... I leave it for your wisdom to decide and in any case I and our Swadhyayees do not care about your certificate anyway.

I have said enough about what I wanted to stay and I am going to be away for few days. If time permitting I may revisit this forum after few days / weeks.

Thank you and May God bless us all.

Jay Yogeshwar.

PS - Vijaybhai once again thanks for your help. I have emailed you separately.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:06pm

Nileshbhai,

How about all the false cases filed against Pankajbhai which your so called 'Parivar' lost and got a stricture from High Court Judge for misusing the system? Any apology or slightest of remorse will show that you have some 'swadhyay' quality left.

Please refer to the statements issued by Swadhyay Parivar in this matter.

Before you go away for few days/weeks, Pl. post these statements by Swadhyay Parivar.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by OO7 on Jul 6^th, 2006, 10:39pm

Does anyone know where is Jayshree Talwarkar? She was in Tamilnadu and supoosed to go to Gujarat. Is she going? It is raining hard here so I feel she may not come. I think she should make another foreign trip grin

you Dont know anything
Post by Kamal on Jul 7^th, 2006, 12:37am

dear Vijaybhai,

Just read below whatever you have posted......

Five areas of contention between Pankaj Trivedi and Didi.
According to Mahesh shah old Swadhyayee and good friend of Pankajbhai there were five main areas of disagreement.
1. If Swadhyay claims to rebuild 40,000 houses, where are this houses. Only 4-5,000 houses were rebuild.
2. Bhav Nirzar is a temple and should be accessible to any devotee.
3. Accounting of various trusts that hold funds from Swadhyay activities. What is the purpose of accumulating wealth?
4. Dada had promised all the money received from Templeton Award to use of Swadhyay activities, why it was diverted to family?
5. Love letters between Ashok Joshi and Didi - both were married at the time of letters

This is the proof that you dont know about Swadhyay. Why are wasting your time here. (see No.5)

Here, 99 % men (?) are against swadhyay. only 1% used to read you 'Bakvas' forum. and by your forum , 'Kai tuti sakvana nathi' (nothing will break). We have no any effects by your 'bakvas' . Anybody can understand You are all FAKE swadhyayee. Everybody from you tries to draw out Ego.

Brothers, Just stop this 'bakvas' and go to Indian Village and see the spirit of swadhyay, result of the swadhyay.

The aim of this forum is only to show Ego.

By your all post anybody can understand you are most egotistic.

You are only barking. and remember barking dog never hurt you.
Dear Kamal,
The five contention I have listed is from that article for those who can not read Gujarati.
This is the forum to discuss the Murder of Pankajbhai and assult (beating up) of more than 12 people. If you think this is Bakwas than we hope you wont come here anymore.
This 'ego' line is getting old as is the 'asking the people from village.' Ask the people from Padadhari who found out that one of the murder has a 40 lacs complex on land obtained illegally and he was a motabhai close to Didi.
Even if you have done everything you claim to do, that does not justify killing of maiming anyone disagreeing with you.
Many years ago, there were more than 700 people killed by Jim Jones in Guana, and few years ago 87 people burned to death in Waco. Texas. All these followers had what they thought God leading them. Of course he lead them to death. History is full of people who thought they had a Godly leader only to find out the truth later on. Sometimes too late!
We are simply curious - just as any good God loving Swadhyayee would be - what happened to 40,000 new houses that were to be built. Can anyone give us the address?
Why with every passing day more and more motabhai in India are found to be corrupt and using public land and money for their own purpose?
If the Swadhyay was as strong and pious as you guys claim why it did not stop Motabhai's (Khotabhai) from committing fraud, theft, assult and violence?
We are not interested in harming Swadhyayee movement but we are interested in giving a voice to those who want to speak up. Apprently speaking up in Swadhyay has dire consequenses.
'Kai Tuti Sakawana Nathi" line was used by Manishbhai who is enjoying the hospitality of prison system for past two weeks, it was used by these five goons who thought they had to commit murder to protect Swadhyay. If the movement is good it does not need any Gujdagiri to protect it. It should not need any Dhamaki and Dadagiri. It should not be afraid to listen to dissenting voices. Unfortunately, so far anyone speaking against party line has been threatened and punished.
Like it or not .. Pap no Dhado Futi Gayo Chhe. There comes a time when your sin catches up with you.
Good Bye and go find another forum where you can sing virtues of Didi and others - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got to Be Kidding on Jul 7^th, 2006, 03:38am

Kamal, are you serious?

The truth doesn't really matter anymore - ego would drive one to prove that they are right. Do you really think it matters whether Pankaj Trivedi was correct or whether Didi is guilty of conspiring to kill him?

The damage is done. Over done.

Didi is hiding, Swadhyay is telling everyone around the world what to say, people are relating the situation with other religious wars likening Swadhyay to Krishna and Ram, the Pankaj Trivedi crowd is saying everything negative about Didi and Dada that they can come up with.

We are just going to sit around and whine that "you are a barking dog" or that "you don't know the truth" or that "Didi must be innocent" WHY? so that we can feel like we didn't waste our life by going to Swadhyay?

Yes, Swadhyay has been a tremendous influence in villages. By recognizing that the Swadhyay organization isn't perfect and that Didi may have flaws in her ability to lead, we are not reducing the value of Swadhyay.

This is not "all or nothing"

But the very fact that intelligent people are not willing to look at facts that suggest how desperate Swadhyay is to be in control shows us exactly how ridiculous Swadhyay is becoming.

Don't be a loyalist to the people, be a loyalist to the idea.

Respecting free speech is important, and the only 'bakvas' around here are those who believe everything they hear from Swadhyay as something that cannot be questioned.

I agree. If there is gangrene of the foot and you realize that foot is beyond repair. You must amputate the foot to save the rest of the body. Vast majority of Swadhyay is great. But if the gangrene is allowed to spread the bacteria and poison to rest of the body the whole body may suffer.
This forum is to encourage everyone who loves Swadhyay to constructively think and speak as to what are the different option the gangrene can be cured. What can be done so that few bad apples do not use name, fame and power of Swadhyay for their selfish reason. The way many of motabhai (khotabhai) have used their connection to Swadhyay will open eyes of many. Only thru ope dialogue a new more powerful movement will emerge. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 05:57am

True Believers or so called brain washed swadhyayi,

There is no way to educate true believers. They judge information by whether it agrees with what they already believe. (And this of course is by definition prejudice.) The right-wing of conservatism continues to provide true believers, and Political Correctness has given us a new generation of true believers. Islam is another prime example of true believers.....

None of these people want anyone to know what prejudice is. This is why prejudice is no longer talked about or taught to swadhyayee although they hear ad nauseum about racism. And since students are taught to reject the concept of evidence, and fooled in the name of GOD.

I was born and raised in a small village in Gujarat, so I know the psychology of poor and uneducated villagers. Most of them dont even know the meaning of psychology, their brains are been hijacked by mastermind Sadhu's and Dadaji's (grandfather's or big brother's) or Bhai's. Even if we get rid of dadaji's(grandfather's or big brother's) ideas off their mind there is another Didi(sister) or kaka(uncle) ready to take his place.

Read the Paragraph below its from swadhyay.org
http://swadhyay.org/krishi.htm

"It is the practice of collective farming of a single field (normally of three to five acres taken from poor villagers in the name of GOD transfered the land into trusts name and sold later, most of the farms used for "yogeshwar krishi" are sold, and poor villagers dont even know where the money has gone to) in a village by the villagers who each offer devotional labour, possibly for one or two days per cropping season. The resulting crop belongs to no one except God."

Which GOD?? Who is GOD?? Where the money goes?? and above all you canot ask questions to GOD, let him do whatever he wants to.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 7^th, 2006, 06:24am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 03:38am, Guest-You Have Got to Be Kidding wrote:

Kamal, are you serious?

Yes, Swadhyay has been a tremendous influence in villages. By recognizing that the Swadhyay organization isn't perfect and that Didi may have flaws in her ability to lead, we are not reducing the value of Swadhyay.

This is not "all or nothing"

But the very fact that intelligent people are not willing to look at facts that suggest how desperate Swadhyay is to be in control shows us exactly how ridiculous Swadhyay is becoming.

Don't be a loyalist to the people, be a loyalist to the idea.

Wow...I cannot agree with you more..these paragraphs probably are the best written and to the point of any other message that exists in this thread. Again....Wow.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 7^th, 2006, 06:28am

GUYS I WANT YOU TO DISCUSS IT HERE TOO, LET THE WORLD KNOW THE SINS...

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewforum.pbs?f=152

RAVI PATEL

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 06:48am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 06:28am, Guest-RAVI PATEL wrote:

GUYS I WANT YOU TO DISCUSS IT HERE TOO, LET THE WORLD KNOW THE SINS...

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewforum.pbs?f=152

RAVI PATEL

I think you have what is termed an unhealthy fixation. Where you not even good enough to become a krutishil ? was bhavpheri too daunting for you ?

Its not even about pankajbhai for you is it ?
Its more to do with pushing your own personnel crusade. Its all to abudnatley clear theres some thing missing in your life.

May you find peace if not in this life than the next.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by reality on Jul 7^th, 2006, 07:11am

Hi,

It is not like that nobody know about Didi.

But, Lac of people still in Swadhyay. Why ?

They are not blind follower.

The reality is, Everybody from Swadhyay is Selffish.

Everybody sees their developement under swadhyay.

They dont care about your coments, they dont care about DIDI, they want to remain in swadhyay.

We know what is the foundation of this quarral, Two love letter.

TJust a few minutes ago you posted as Kamal and thought this forum is a Bakwas and now you can not keep away form it? Come and write here again? Why dont you go back to your prayers?
No you do not see anything. Foundation of quarrel is that many people dedicated their Tan Man and Dhan for a very long time thinking that Dada & Didi were embodiment of virtues and knowledge and decent human beings. They started suspecting otherwise, they started asking questions. That lead to "How dare you ask any question."
So same Pankajbhai who was addressed as a captain by Dada lovingly became a Rakshash.
Pankajbhai was not to be intimidated. He knew that there might be danger pursueing truth. He kept questioning, kept wanting Bhav Nirzar Mandir for all devotees. He must be getting close to the nerve center so after five years few people decided to kill him. He became such a big threat from nuisance.
Now that there is so much light on every aspect of Swadhyay, many of facts are coming out such as the Hitesh had illegally seized prime land in Padadhri and made a complex there worth 40 Lacs. You think his position as Motabhai helped him get this?

I hope you would not waste your time with all this Bakwas and people with ego!!!
Jai Yogeswar - Vijay Mehta

Then what ??????
Post by Kamal on Jul 7^th, 2006, 07:29am

Yes, You are right and Didi may be wrong, then what huh

?

you u believe Didi is killer and must be arrested and send to jail. Then what huh

Re: Then what ??????
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 07:34am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 07:29am, Guest-Kamal wrote:

Yes, You are right and Didi may be wrong, then what huh

?

you u believe Didi is killer and must be arrested and send to jail. Then what huh

then the healing begins, by looking back at what is wrong on a national and kendra level. What the key elements that worked and which were good what they were and going back to them and refocusing on them.

The only way forward now is for Mrs talwaker to resign and then let people answer the finacial questions. Before moving forward. If that happens the parviar will be in a much stronger place in years to come.

As long as Mrs Talwaker is the head, these matters will keep cropping up and taking focus away from the actual good that the parivar does.

Didi must step down or come to terms that she is holding back the parivar. Resign resign resign......

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:08am

Dear Nileshbhai,

Before you go away for few days/weeks, Pl. post these statements by Swadhyay Parivar.

I believe your motabhai ( in a typical cult style) have asked you to stay away for few weeks as from whatI read in Akila, Didi and her 27 cronies are in big trouble.

Honestly, I think, Nileshbhai you are a good person but like many others still in Swadhyay you are too shocked at the turn of events on Pankajbhai's killing and finding Parivar members involved in it.

Jayshree finds out being a 'Don' has downside
Post by Ramki on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:41am

Jayshree loses sleep.. Will she be spending time in big house? Would government have guts to put noose around her neck?

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DADA was a 'Don' too but no one knew it!
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:41am

Dada was a smart manipulator and he spared no effort to crash any opposition during his life time. He had perfected the technique of Sham - Dam -Dand - Bhed and anyone trying to question him was swiftly given punishment that no one else would even dare repeat the mistake.

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JAY YOGESHAR

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by GUEST on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:46am

We all should be focusing on the THE REAL ISSUES here.
Lets make sure that Late Pankajbhai's sacrifice does not go in vein.

I know that Swadhyayi people will not answer any questions in an HONEST and STARIGH FORWARD manner but they always try to use tactics such as "personal attacks", "character assasination", "lies",
"abusive language" etc to derail the discussion so these questions can be avoided.

Can you prove it to me that 100% of the money collected in USA for earthquake victims were sent to INDIA and used to BUILD houses?

Can you deny the FACT that the cash balance on DAY's books had been consistently inceasing for over a decade? What is DAY's current cash balance?

Can you tell us who gets the profits made by selling books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs?

Can you deny the FACT that "SHRADHDHA" trust exists and only Athvale family members are sole trustees in this trust?

Can you tell us how many different trusts Swadhyay has and who are the trustees?

Can you tell us how many crores Swadhyay has accumulated in different trusts?

Can you tell us the total value of land, including Bhav-Nirzar land that Swadhyay acquired?

Can you deny the FACT that questions are not allowed in any meetings and if someone dare to ask questions, he or she is intimidated to set an examples so other people do not even dare to ask questions in future?

Can you deny the FACT that brainwashing, manipulation and exploitation have been going on for years?

Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?

Can you deny the FACT that DAY's financial books were NEVER opened for the followers for inspection?

Can you deny the FACT that if someone writes a letter to DAY asking for the detailed information on earthquake donation issue, DAY's attorney replies and denies the request for information?

Can you deny the FACT that Shibirs and camps are used mainly for brainwashing and recruit more volunteers?

Can you deny the FACT that Dada's Putri-Moha is the same as DRUTRASHTRA's Putra-Moha and Dada's act of GADI-PRATHA establishment is fundamentally wrong and is betrayal of trust of unsuspecting followers?

Who pays for Didi's frequent trips overseas every year in summer when it is hot in INDIA?

Can you ADMIT that it is inappropriate that you use poor swadhyayis for FREE MARKETING, I mean LAV-FERI and Didi spends charity money collected as a result of hard work, dedication and bhav-samarpan of poor fellow swadhyayees?

Has Dada ever worked in his life? How did he managed his finances?

Has Didi or her husnabd ever worked? How do they manage their finance?

What kind of business Didi's husband is in?

Can you prove it to us that the drama "TUMHARI-AMRITA" was ever played by swadhyay?

Please answer these questions FIRST in CLEAR TERMS and a STRAIGHT FORWARD manner before I ask many more questions.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by motabha on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:54am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:51am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:

so whats the point of asking ? . unless you happen to like the sound of your own voice, like some sort of broken record.

Great reply. As per swadhyay policy, we do not answer real questions but confuse people by telling rubbish.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 7^th, 2006, 08:59am

Can you deny the FACT that swadhyay Motabhai's in Gujarat and Maharashtra were bain washed by Dada and Didi, who filed false cases in court against Pankaj Trivedi and others trying to expose the Land/Money making scandal Dadaji started in the name of GOD. Ultimately, resulted into death of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi by few swadhyayi's who were made to think they were doing God's deed. Whats different between Islamic Jihad and swadhyayi Jihad??

If the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi are compared to Mohmmad Atta (and others) who flew into WTC in new York, Swadhyayi leaders are no less then Osama Bin Ladin.

Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hindustani on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:01am

I agree with you. I hope swadhyay leaders will get punished by law. Lets see.

cover up to protect Bharat Bhatt
Post by RAVI PATELS DADA on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:02am

Murderers are hiding their whereabouts to protect big wigs in Swadhyay. Now that they have already admitted to committing murder why are they not telling the truth as to where exactly they all were in hours preceding the murder. Police strongly suspect they are trying to cover up big wigs in Swadhyay who apparently met them to give final instructions.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:13am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:15am

on Jul 6^th, 2006, 2:25pm, Guest-Come ON Guys wrote:

I am detecting lots of messages from USA and also from India.

Where are the guys from UK

Have they worn 'BANGLES' & SAREES so that they are shy/frightened to come out and express their anger/view/opinion??

Or they think what's happening is all fine as long as it does not affect them.

Come on gyus..........at least ......be brave enough, to expree your solidarity.....

Didi will not kill you by doing so.

Well if they are wearing bangals and sarees, they are alsready expressing themselves you muppet

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:24am

Who are Yatin Oza and Reshmi jani? trying to defend the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Are they Brain wahed swadhyayi or mean lawyers wanting more money? See what the killers have to say "we are innocent, we are into police's trap only because of our negative image from the media"

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:30am

Yatin Oza is lawyer by profession and a politician by brain. I guess he is trying to defend the killers in order to get voted from swadhyayi's. He has already shown his way of politics by jumping from BJP to Congress...

http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/nov/28guj.htm

Also he is known as "Giant Killer" How appropriate for a lawyer to be known as Giant Killer and defend most famous murderers! - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:31am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:24am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:

Who are Yatin Oza and Reshmi jani? trying to defend the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Are they Brain wahed swadhyayi or mean lawyers wanting more money? See what the killers have to say "we are innocent, we are into police's trap only because of our negative image from the media"

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Well the police caving into solving a crime as quickly as they can due to media pressure never ever happens. Well not in your world. As long as the mob gets justice ..who cares about civil liberties....damn human rights....just put someone in jail and make us feel safe in our homes.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hindustani on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:33am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:30am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:

Yatin Oza is lawyer by profession and a politician by brain. I guess he is trying to defend the killers in order to get voted from swadhyayi's. He has already shown his way of politics by jumping from BJP to Congress...

http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/nov/28guj.htm

I thought killers of Pankaj Trivedi already admitted crime. I saw it on TV. Now what happened?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:39am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:33am, Guest-Hindustani wrote:

I thought killers of Pankaj Trivedi already admitted crime. I saw it on TV. Now what happened?

they admitted to the crime under duress

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:40am

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on Today at 09:30am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:Yatin Oza is lawyer by profession and a politician by brain. I guess he is trying to defend the killers in order to get voted from swadhyayi's. He has already shown his way of politics by jumping from BJP to Congress...

http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/nov/28guj.htm

I thought killers of Pankaj Trivedi already admitted crime. I saw it on TV. Now what happened?

May be the lawyer defend them did not see it!

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by ravi patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:49am

"they admitted to the crime under Pressure"

May be they Murdered Mr. Pankaj Trivedi under Pressure, they might have not even knew that they were actually killing him.

Thanks
-Ravi

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hindustani on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:52am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7^th, 2006, 10:00am

on Jul 7^th, 2006, 09:52am, Guest-Hindustani wrote:

May be killers realised mistake they made and now talking as lawyer told them. Lets wait and watch now what happen next. I am sure Jayshree is keeping close watch on this case.

Well lets see the next time your beaten into a making a confession, lets see how strong your resolve is. kiss

The police through their own incompetnace may have screwed up the case big time.

Dhongi ko Gujarat Bhalo
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 10:01am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Chitralekha on Jul 7^th, 2006, 10:07am

I read inChitralekha too about corruption and misuse of power in swadhyay. Now atleast follwing media has written about swadhyay case and exposed them

1> Aarpar
2> Gujarat Samachar
3> Akila
4> mumbai Samachar
5> sandesh
6> Times Of India
7> Divya Bhaskar
8> Zee TV

Lets see if swadhyay leaders decide to take any action against them.

Root cause of this evil was the greatman himself
Post by Chitralekha on Jul 7^th, 2006, 10:13am

Chitralekha did an expose of Swadhyay back in July 2002. Documenting as to what was going on behind the closed doors, how Dada transferred millions of rupees to his adopted daughter and suddenly all those long time dedicated Swadhyayees like Mahesh Shah and Rudhani etc became a target of 'hate campaign' Even Chitralekha took a big risk of standing up to the big bully. Link may not work, please see the images posted

http://www.chitralekha.com/content/Friday1.asp#3

http://www.chitralekha.com/content/Friday1.asp#4

http://www.chitralekha.com/content/Friday1.asp#1

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 7^th, 2006, 11:09am

1. People listed by Pankajbhai as potential killers are banned by court, not to leave India. Is this true?
2. Manish Savsani is in Jail. Does anybody have his photo behind the bars in Jail uniform?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sunil on Jul 7^th, 2006, 11:28am

Check all the preachings of DADA & analyse his acts you will find them exactly opposite.So there are no opponents of DADA as he himself is his biggest opponent.
All the procedures of funds collection are devised ,applied & followed up by DADA why to blame DIDI only huh

Before this present crises in DADA's reggime people like Haribhai Kothari,Dayhabhai Jani,Manibhai Amin etc. were tortured, threatened & excommunicated.They were called asuras & were also beaten by the then blind followers of DADA.

DADA is the mastermind behind all false stories like Japan Conference,Invitation of Mr.Compton,Vinoba etc.

He had copied other's books (Hindunche Samajrachna Shastra,Gita Tatwa Vimarsh,Geeta Purusharthprabhodini,Geeta Pravachans by Vinoba,Kuransar etc.He copied it To To but never mentioned their Names (Krudanyata huh

?) but the blind swadhyayi is forced to say after the Chintanika that all the thoughts are of DADA & nothing is mine.

So dear open your eyes, study the history, find out why all the old vetrens have left Swadhyaya.

If you want to continue Swadhaya nobody can stop you because Swadhyaya is Study of self & is not owened by greedy Athawales.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7^th, 2006, 12:28pm

Sunil says.. "DADA is the mastermind behind all false stories like Japan Conference,Invitation of Mr.Compton,Vinoba etc."

I Truely agree with Sunil, not only that but some followers say that his leg was 300 years old and he is Avtar of Krishna.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got to Be Kidding on Jul 7^th, 2006, 12:49pm

Let us all take a step back for a second and wonder what we are out to do:

(1) Do we want Didi to admit to all of these things? Would that make everything better?

(2) Do we want all of the Swadhyay leadership to resign? Is that possible? All of these years we beamed about Swadhyay's structure-less structure and now that we don't like the way it works we scream treason?

(3) Do we want Swadhyay to disappear? Would that make us feel like we succeeded in bringing something down that was making us feel down?

Trying to make everyone believe that Didi is awful and she has cronies (who are intelligent people) is just as ignorant as what you fight.

Trying to make it seem like Pankaj Trivedi and crew are ideal martyrs is also just as ignorant - they don't have a spotless record of integrity in the language or methods they use.

Is it true that things in Swadhyay's operations and governance should be better? Absolutely.

Whether directly responsible or not, is Didi responsible? If a good leader, she should feel so (even if she has nothing to do with it).

Is all of Swadhyay a big hoax? Of course not. Use your own brain, you weren't duped by going to Swadhyay - you just feel like it now.

It is our philosophy as much as it is Didis or anyone else. Step and say something useful that we keep the best of Swadhyay intact and the worst of Swadhyay less damaging.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 7^th, 2006, 12:51pm

Avtar Of Krishna?
I think people should know the facts re" Kusumbahen" and "Kum kum Pagla"
Lord Krishna was known for paltonic love and not...............

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got To be Kidding on Jul 7^th, 2006, 12:58pm

Irish Robin Hood:

All confessions in India come with a beating; police brutality is tolerated and acceptable, it is not an excuse for a technicality to make it seem like this was a conspiracy.

Would a technicality vindicate Swadhyay/Swadhyayees from being party to the conflict with Pankaj Trivedi?

It doesn't matter whether they killed him or not. Say he was still alive: Is it acceptable to you that Swadhyayees wanted him dead?

Is it acceptable to you that die hard Swadhyayees will do anything (including deferring their own intellect) to prove Swadhyay's innocence? Are we puppets?

The problem isn't his murder, it is the escalation and obsession with this conflict that is ruining the essence of Swadhyay.

One more kendra is closed
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7^th, 2006, 1:53pm

Aaradhana School in Amadawad shuts down the Swadhyay at their property. They had given permission to conduct Swadhyay meeting under impression that it was for a good cause but after the arrest of several of prominent leaders they have decided not to allow Swadhyay meeting at their place. Article in Gujarati.

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060708/guj/gujarat/news3.html

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Shocking report by auditors..
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7^th, 2006, 1:55pm

Suryakant Mehta Institute of Charter Accounting has revealed sensational and damaging information.
They were auditors for project "Matsya Gandha" Basically there are four trusts under this project - Arnav Mandir, Agasti Pujan, Ratnakar Pujan, Arnan Pujan.

Matsya Gandha Project was started with a vision of upliftment of fisherman community. Expert fisherman and women were to work on fishing boat and the income generated was to be used for loan and scholarship of fisherman community. It was said that there will be 100 boats for this purpose.
But the real fact is..
There is not a SINGLE fishing boat under the name of any of these trusts. All fishing boats are under the name of one person (Swadhyay leader) and he is using them as his personal property