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Shahid Shri Pankajbhai Trivedi
Post by Violence in name of religion on Jun 17th, 2006, 08:51am


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It might have been ten long years during which Didi has been hiding out of Gujarat. But the murder of Pankajbhai has not been forgotten. On the occasion of 10th anniversary former DGP Vanzara and famous writer Shri Gunwantbhai Shah were present to pay tribute to Pankanbhai Trivedi

Pankajbai was a loyal Swadhayayee for decades and had contributed lacks of rupees. Dada used to call him "captain" .. all this changed when he dared to question financial mismanagement.

It was five years ago to-day, nearly a dozen Swadhyayees planned and executed murder of long time ardent supporter of Swadhyay - Pankajbhai Trivedi. May be they thought they can get away with murder. May be they thought this will be a stern lesson to anyone else trying to leave the parivar and question the authority of Didi. May be they thought time heals everything and blind followers will move on and get busy with Bhavpheri and Bhaktipheri. After all it had worked before.

But that is not what happened. The media covered this murder like no other in the history of Gujarat. Didi has not stepped a foot in Gujarat in 60 months. Didi is currently in USA and is holding private meeting with a select few rather than massive rally of the past. People are noticing that things are not same.

Here is our humble attempt to pay tribute to that courageous man - Pankajbhai Trivedi who has inspired thousands by sacrificing his life to expose the real Swadhyay.

What might have prompted Pankajbhai to embark on a suicide mission? Why a man with loving family and so much to live for would willingingly put his life on the line? The answers are becoming clearer with more and more scandelous activities being exposed everyday. We are truly grateful to all the contributors who continue to provide the proof of more and more fraud and deceit being conducted under the name of a religous/social movement.

We hope and pray that people will wake up and refuse to turn over their logical brain to Motabhais. It is time to do real Bhaktipheri and Bhavpheri - talk to others who may not know the whole story, pick up the phone, travel at your expense to enlighten others and use cyberspace to shed the light on truth. Tamasho Mah Jyotirgmayah! Feel free to share your views and information.

Questions shall not die by killing Pankajbhai Trivedi.

~Vijay Mehta (June 15, 2011)



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"Es Khel mein him ho na ho garde sitare rahenge sada!"
Pankajbhai Trivedi was murdered burtally on 6/15/2006. His death sent a wake up call globally. A man of conviction Pankajbhai was bent upon exposing corruption and he was fully aware of the consequences. He chose to sacrifice his life. Let us hope his sacrifice shall not go in vein.




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When Pankajbhai realized that Swadhyay had a different innercore than the outer wonderful organization. He started asking questions and appealing to authorities. This lead to threats and intimidation. Swadhyay responded by many cases filed against him in different location in Gujarat. High court threw all these out as nuisance suits and noted that Swadhyay abused judicial system to harrass him. Pankajbhai was going to continue his quest to expose the fraud.
That day Bharat Bhatt and Ghanshyam Chudasama decided to silence Pankajbhai for ever.
On the evening of June 15, 2006 eight Swadhyayees did the dirty job supported by Motabhai Bharat Bhatt. As the history will prove it - this was a big mistake. Pankajbhai's sacrifice sent a wake up call all over this world


Moment that shook the world and faith of thousands of Swadhyayees across the world:

http://www.ibnlive.com/videos/13195/gujarat-nri-killed-parivar-suspect.html

Amadawad June 15 2006


Pankaj Trivedi was brutally murdered last night as he was returning from gym by four men. He was repeatedly hit by bats to death according to the eye witness.

Pankajbhai was a long time Swadhyay member.

Pankajbhai fell into disfavor by Swadhyay Privar, when he claimed that Swadhyay had collected more than 400 Crore rupees from USA and England for 2001 earthquake relief efforts and these funds were not used for that purpose.

Multiple cases were filed against him in different courts by Swadhyay. In about 20 cases high court had already ruled in his favor.

Pankajbhai had felt that his life was in danger and had requested protection from police. collector and chief minister but none was offered.

At this time police suspects that his murder is connected to this controversy. Did he pay the ultimate price to stand up for truth and justice?



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Post by Dinesh Patel on Jun 17th, 2006, 08:53am

Dear Vijaybhai,

I admire you for the noble work you have been doing relentlessly for the Indian community. Violence has no place in any religion and needs to be condemned by all members of the civilized society. It is a moral duty of all eductaed, intellctually honest people to make sure that the little or uneducated members of the society is not misguided and exploited in any organized religion. Please do all you can to make Indian community aware of this horrifying incident and urge people not to sway in emotions, BHAV but rather try to look at the FACT with an open mind.

Regards,
Dinesh

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Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Dinesh Patel on Jun 17th, 2006, 08:57am

For those of you, who may not know Pankajbhai Trivedi, let me give you some background info. Pankajbhai was born and raised in Ahmedabad and associated with SWADHYAY for a very long time. He was a dedicated but alert and intelligent swadhyayi. When he saw swadhyay deviating from its original spiritual path, he could not keep it quiet and tried to stop the descent. Swadhyayis filed many cases against him in Gujarat High Court and he won them all. This was his fault, to fight for the truth.

Who is behind this brutal murder? We need full and fair investigation of Pankajbhai's murder and pray to Yogeshwar that his soul rest in peace in Heaven as he was fighting for the TRUTH, the "SAT", against corruption, Vyaktipuja and many other such deeds.

It is a sad moment for all religious people
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 17th, 2006, 09:25am

I was shocked to hear the news about the murder of Pankajbhai Trivedi.

Any time a crime is committed under the name of religion or for mistaken reason of religion - the religion actually become weaker.

We would not know for some time as to who did it and what was the exact rationale behind it but let us hope that whether you show him as a trouble maker or as a man who stood for truth - we can all agree that resorting to violence to settle the score is WRONG.

May his soul rest in peace and God give strength to his family and friends to bear his loss.

There are others who have paid the price
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 17th, 2006, 1:14pm

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British Citizen Vinoo Sachania went for a visit to India. On Jan 12th 2003 he was attacked by 4-6 men. First, at gun point he was blindfolded and taken to remote place and beaten. They fractured his both legs and arms and was seriously hurt. He underwent seven hours of emergency surgery.

Just like Pankajbhai Trivedi Vinoo Sachania also had questioned and criticised the alleged mismanagement of Swadhyay. Vinoo Sachania had notified the chief minister prior to this incidence, that his safety was at stake and inspite of that he suffered major injuries.

He also faxed chief minister, warning him that Pankajbhai was also at risk of same fate, but apparantly this did not save Panjakbhai Trivedi.

Other Swadhyayees who have been victims of violence are
1 Vinodbhai Sosani (Gajjar) 2. Satishbhai Patel 3. Haribhai Vaghasia 4. Industrialist Maehshbhai Shah 5. Rubhai Shah 6. Vinodbhai Viththalbhai Shah 7. Shankarbhai Thakkar 8. Satishbhai Rupani & his wife.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jun 17th, 2006, 8:08pm

18/06/2006

It's very painful to bear the news of Pankajbhai's untimely death at the hands of the organisation supposed to make a man - a noble man and a society - a noble society for which we all laid our lives.

Since no action has been taken against previous attacks on Swadhyayees like Satish Rughani, Vinod Shah, Shankerbhai Thakkar, Hemrajbhai, Hitu Gandhi, Maheshbhai Shah etc. this murder might go un-punished. The faulth is of old Swadhyayees who do not have the courage to rise and press for punishment.

It is not only for fear of life, it is harassment by false police cases in rural India, intimidation and security of family members.

Probably the family members of Pankajbhai may also not press for going in to the roots of murder. The reasons would be same with one addition of time constraint for them.

My earnest appeal to the well placed and resourceful brothers and sisters would be to approach Homeland Securities of U.S.A. with whom a false complaint was lodged that Pankajbhai was associated with notorious Bin Laden. The Agency may please be persuaded to examine The Lady who is now in U.S.A. - who is behind the murder of Pankajbhai. I understand Pankajbhai was an U.S. citizen and probably a prime witness in investigation of false misleading letter forwarded to The Agency that Pankajbhai was a Bin Laden associate.

I have heard that some Swadhyayee U.S. doctor had made this false and mis-leading complaint to The Agency. He should also be examined by Homeland Securities.

Pankajbhai has been killed in India and the string puller is in U.S. now. Pankajbhai was an U.S. citizen. In all probabilities, The U.S. law may have the provision to try the accused of murder of an U.S. citizen in foreign land (India). So she must be examined and detained if there are sufficient grounds. If few of the vengeful Swadhyayees are examined there in U.S. by one or other U.S. citizens, the truth may come out. If not, at least it will prevent the vengeful Swadhyayees of U.S. from lodging futher complaints against one or other past dedicated Swadhyayee.

At the end, I once again appeal to the U.S. citizens to press for the investigation of Pankajbhai's murder through the U.S. investigating agencies. The appeals may also please be made to editors of various newspapers and magazines of U.S.

For a resident of India, it would be risky to engage private detectives for parallel investigation but an U.S. citizen, the risk of vengeful actions is minimal. Those who love Pankajbhai or abhor un-civilized killing and are resourceful should consider engaging private detectives and get the murder investigated.

I hope that my appeal will meet the right ears.

A Swadhyayee from India.
Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by An Observer on Jun 18th, 2006, 12:16pm

If Swadhayay is indirectly (like Mafia or Don) is responsible for this brutal killing, it will be a dark day in its history and will be considered not fit for its purpose.
However, no one is guilty until proven and this also applies to Swadhaya. As of today - 18th June, the head of the Org. is in London & will be meeting the key workers tomorrow.
In India police will not solve this murder as the people in the high office normally are the pupets of the organizations who have muscle & wealth power.
As a result of this, the Indian press will not suceed either in getting to the truth of the matter or challenge openly the guilty.
My advise is that those who have families either in India or aborad should not become "Krantikaris" as after the death of the person the family pays the price. If you think about it, Mr Trivdi must be very bold to raise his head above the perapet & against the corrupt practicises in the organization but finally his family has paid the price becuase of his murder. Mr Sachania was very lucky to get away alive but his family went through a very difficulat time, as I understand.
So stop being "veers & Krantikaris & emotional fools about the Org and let the people like Judge Kaka, Hemraj, Mr Gandhi etc come forward and fight this game in the name of Krishan who made this play devine!
In my view they are the ultimate people responsible for proping up this ogrganization and they must pay the price and not the ordinary Swadhayees.
Why are they hiding and not coming forward?

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 18th, 2006, 5:37pm

There is obviously a pattern of behavior that is happening here. What I don't understand is how the Swadhyay spin doctors are able to repeatedly absolve the swadhyay leadership of any blame by using such guileless tactics as characteric defamation. I hear that they are now claiming that Pankaj Trivedi had a "gambling problem" and was targeted by gangsters to whom he owed money. How ridiculous can you get?

I also think it is interesting that the leader of the movement decides to inexplicably extend her stay in the US for an extra week.....
Gotada no Swa - Adhyay
Post by Guest on Jun 19th, 2006, 9:22pm

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Crores rupees swindled away from Earthquake funds
Crores rupees swindled under the name of Yogeswar Krushi
Dada was held hostage during his last few months of life by Didi

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Human on Jun 20th, 2006, 1:35pm

I have lost all my faith in Swadhyay and Dada. I never paid any attention to Didi as I knew she just inherited the GADI without any merits or qualities.

Its you who have failed to understand this CHEATING on the name of GOD.

How much changes come by this swadhyay....A LOT, a free thinking god loving human being is transfromed in to a BLIND FOLLOWER and is exploited on the name of GOD. SWADHYAY tranfroms a NAR (Man) into NARADHAM (DEVIL).

I DONT EVEN FEEL PITY FOR BLIND FOLLOWERS LIKE YOU AS IT IS A BETRAYL TO GOD WHO GAVE YOU A LITTLE BRAIN TO USE.

The fact is Swadhyay' Garage is full of those vehilces like yourself which are abused, used and exploited but no one tries to repair it, because once it is repaired, I mean self-awakening, you will realize that SWADHYAY is a BIG FRAUD. SWADHYAY will only exploit you, but never repair you.

I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THIS CHEATING CALLED SWADHYAY AND I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT DADA HAS CHEATED ALL OF US FOR DECADES FOR HIS SELFISH MOTIVES AND HANDED OVER THE GADI TO THAT JADI.

YOU ARE A LIVING PROOF OF HOW POWERFUL BRAINWASHING CAN BE...JSUT READ YOUR COMMENTS, " Whatever negative things are there about DIDI in www.sawadhyayee.org , that may be absuletly wrong. If it may true, people dont care about it...."

ONLY BRAINDEAD BLIND FOLLOWERS ACCEPT DIDI. GOD NEVER WANTED GADI-PRATHS ESTABLISHMENT IN FIRST PLACE AND THAT IS WHY DADA HAD NO KIDS. DADA CHALLANGED GOD BY ADOPTING DIDI SO THAT HE CAN ESTBLISH GADI-PRATHA. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN NOT DEFEAT ALIGHTY GOD. GOD DID NOT GAVE ANY KIDS TO DIDI. NOW WHAT? SHE WILL WALK IN HER FATHER'S FOOTSTEPS AND ADOPT HIS NEPHEW AND HAND OVER THE GADI TO HIM.

YOU SAY, "Still I never lost anything by swadhyay....only got......" WAKE UP DEVIPUJAK, USE YOUR LITTLE BARIN FOR A CHNAGE. YOU LOST EVERYTHING MY FRIEND, YOU LOST YOUR SELF-CONFIDENCE, YOU LOST YOUR ABILITY TO THINK INDEPENDENTLY AND FREELY, YOU LOST SIGHT OF GOD AND NOW CONCENTRATING ON ATHALE FAMILY AND YOU HAVE BECOME WORSHIPER OF ATHVALE FAMILY. YOU HAVE LOST YOUR IDENTITY AS A BHAKT. THEY ARE NOW CONTROLLING YOUR FREE WILL AND USING YOU IN THEIR PROPAGANDA AND MARKETING.


Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Swadhyayi on Jun 21st, 2006, 04:35am

Dear Devipujak,

Jay Yogeshwar.

Please don't waste your time with this idiots. If you are part of Swadhyay - feel free to join http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Swadhyay

These idiots don't deserve our time. Let them rot here.

Problem with these anti-Swadhyay idiots is that since they know how good Swadhyay is and that's why they can not go and join other alternates like Asharam Bapu, Swaminaryan etc. but at the same time they do not have intellect to understand that Swadhyay work is not going to run according to their whims and fancies.

To all Anti-Swadhyay folks:

Listen to this simple advice. If you think there is anything legal wrong - go and bang your head with police / court.

If you think you are smarter than Swadhyay - then first do something positive in the society and then try to teach us what is right and what is wrong. You idiots have no guts to do anything positive but all the time in the world to sing and dance to say this is not right, that is not right etc.

If you like Swadhyay, you come to Swadhyay. If you don't like Swadhyay - our exit door are always open for you to walk out.



Dear Swadhyyee

Can someone be a devout Swadhyayee and be against any fraud, deceit, violence and murder?

Can a good Swadhyayee be sad and mad about the brutal murder of Pankajbhai Trivedi, who was a devout memebr since 1972 and said to have contributed nearly 1.5 Lakh rupees ?

Can someone be a jagrut Swadhyayee who is willing to question not because he/she hates Swadhyay but because Swadhyay is so important to him or her.

I agree that we should not rush to judgement as to who was behind such a heinous act of barbarism and let the police do the job.

But at the same time the questions being raised by Pankajbhai about the accounting of funds raised for earthquake victims are valid ones - dont you agree?

No one has to rot here. People are expressing their views and concerns (right or wrong)

Frankly, I personally know many Swadhyayee for whom I have nothing but utter respect and admiration. But does that mean we keep our eyes closed and mouth shut where there is a pattern of violence against anyone who has questioned the current leadership?

Thank you.

Vijay Mehta

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Guest on Jun 21st, 2006, 08:00am



Once again Swadhyay parivar is in news, not for any achievement but for a murder. It is a rule of nature that once a given religious sect gets stronger, the decay starts. Hindu relition is full of sects started by someone who finds imprefection in the way it is being preached or practised. So he takes the basic principles and adds few of his own and starts a new Sampraday.

Once the visionary leader is disabled or dies the followers do not have the same capacity. Simply being installed as a leader does not give one a capacity to lead the group. If it was possible to rule the world with sticks and guns then we could get dictators and gundas to run the Sampradays. However, leading the sampraday requires service without expectation and leadership by example. Respect can not be demanded but it is commanded. When we start worshiping a person and not the quality, it is the beginning of the end.
So all that remains is a large group of followres with no direction. These people may even commit crime at the behest of the leaders. And thus startd the downfall of Sampraday.
In organization such as this no dissent is tolerated. If any devotee dares to qustion for the sake of truth he is silenced by hook or crook. Pankaj Trivedi decided to follow the path of seeking the truth and the establishment did not tolerate the dissent.

Excellent article in Gujarati.




http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060621/guj/supplement/leader.html[url][/url]




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Where are the 4523 Houses?
Post by Guest on Jun 21st, 2006, 12:06pm

SWADHYAY PARIVAR DID NOT BUILD ANY HOUSES IN BHUJ. WHERE DID THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COLLECTED FROM FOLLOWERS GOhuhhuhhuhhuh?

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060621/guj/gujarat/news12.html

huh
Where is the house?
Where are the houses?
Where are the 4523 Houses??

- Vijay Mehta


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Honerable Diwan did the honerable thing
Post by Guest on Jun 21st, 2006, 1:46pm



In his resignation letter, Justice B.J. Diwan said, " SWADHYAY PARIVAR IS demonstrating " high living and plain thinking" instead of its original claim of " plain living and high thinking".

How true!



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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by NRI Swadhyayee on Jun 21st, 2006, 7:25pm

To: Davi Jujak Yuwan,
I like your statements about your nighbours, community and changes in your life. I am a regular swadhyayee since last 15 years. You must keep faith and stay focused on the main priciples of swadhyay and always recite and focus on "Krishnam Vande Jagad Guru" until we meet our spiritual Goals.
For most of us Dada was our initial teacher and we are grateful for his efforts and actions. We do not know his past and initial motives but his actions lead us to a better understandings of Vedic dharma.
Since last several years I have read about the several painful incidents in swadhyay parivar. I knew that some main dedicated and honest workers like (Hemrajbhai, Radasbhai, Justice Diwan etc) left or were kicked out from swadhyay parivar trusts. I do not know why?
It is also fact that there were some violance and some X-swadhyees were badly injured. I am also confused why Dada did not stop such actions! May be he did not know or no one told him.
I am also concerned that improper use of swadhyay money funds or bad accounting may cuase a big blow to our parivar trust and faith! I do not know why swadhyay trusts should collect and keep large amount of money? Why Didi should travel lavish! After all we have to think and live with our common swadhyayees....
Well, these are my concerns but I am sure Lord Yogeshwar will help us and will give us a leader to clear the problems.
I just hope Mr. Trivedi's musrder will be investigated and will help to clear swadhyay parivar...


Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by SWADHYAYEE from CANADA on Jun 21st, 2006, 8:20pm


Swadhyay Spin - Bheekh and Bhav
Post by Swadhyayi on Jun 22nd, 2006, 01:59am

Dear Vijay,

Let's get one fact clear. No one likes murder of Pankaj Trivedi - whether you are in Swadhyay or not in Swadhyay. However, if it is not proven that Didi or Swadhyay Parivar as an organization is behind this. Until the time the truth is out and proven in the court - one should keep mouth shut and let police do their job.

Yes - someone can be Jagrut Swadhyay because Swadhyay is so important to him/her. However, the method employed by M/s Pankaj Trivedi & few dozen others is not acceptable simply becasue it is illogical for them to expect that Swadhyay Parivar be run according to their whims and fancies. Everyone is entitled to express their view about Parivar matters (like all of us do) but if someone goes out of Parivar and then tries to destroy the Parivar, then he/she is not acceptable.

Pankaj Trivedi is on record to say that "I have seen a Dedh-Garoli falling in Doodh-Pak and it is my responsibility to spill this Doodh-Pak". Well - my question to such thinking is - (a) first of all there is no proof of any wrong doing - if there is any proof then prove it in the court and (b) why don't you go and create a better 'doodh-pak' and show us how better / smarter you are.

It is very easy to jump up and down to say this is wrong, that is wrong but difficult to do positive work over long period.

This is not to suggest - everything is perfect in Swadhyay. At the end of the day - we all human beings are imperfect. I myself think there are few things in Pariar which I think we can do better and I have expressed my feelings at all level. But I am not out to destroy Parivar. It is very easy to destroy something but difficult to build what Puj. Dadaji did painstakingly over last 50+ years.

As for accounting related issues - all trust funds are audited and returns are filed with Charity Commissioner (which anyone can obtain and see for him/herself). If there is anything legally wrong - complained should be filed with relevant authorities, proper investigations should be carried out and guilty be punished.

Compalints regarding misuse of Earthquake fund has been made in the past also, Charity Commissioner carried out invesitgations and nothing wrong was found.

To recycle same allegations again and again after 5 years does not make sense and suggest malise on the part of people doing so.

Swadhyay is the one of the few NGO in India that works despite never soliciting any kind of fund / donation. One can not donate ("Daan") to Swadhyay. However, if someone comes to Swadhyay for at least six months, understand Swadhyay philosophy and wants to contribute as his/her "Bhagwan No Bhaag" - he is welcome to contribute with clear understanding that this is "Bhaav-Samarpan" and not donation. There are plenty of other places in Society where one can donate.

Puj. Dadaji lived his life along the principle of "Ayachak vrat" (not to ask for help) and he has distilled same philosophy in all comunities and villages where Swadhyay work has taken its root. At the risk of sounding arrogant, let me say, other than Swadhay all NGOs need to ask for "Bheekh" (begging) to get their work going whereas Swadhyay never asks for any money.

So why the hell this noise about money?

Puj. Dadaji told again and again that Swadhyay is about relationship and it is about developing our mind, soul and brain. But sorry to say that despite this some people still forget that.

I don't think anyone is asking to keep your eyes shut. In fact one should keep his/her eyes wide open and decide what is right and what is wrong.

Once again let me repeat what I said - if you like Swadhyay you are welcome and if you don't like Swadhyay you are free to leave. If there is anything legally wrong - please raise with relevant authorities.

At the end of the day - Swadhyay will continue if and only if it follows the path laid down by Pujya Dadaji.

Everyone is important in Swadhyay Karya as it is a "Yagna" and yet no individual is indispensible in Swadhyay Karya.


You make some very good points.
No one should jump to conclusion as to who is behind the tragic murder of Panjakbhai.
I think it is better to work within the system to change it as much as possible.
Pankajbhai's murder has suddenly brought lime light to Swadhyay and I am sure it will lead to more transparent accounting.
Pankajbhai anticipated the violent end and he wrote to as many people as he could to forwarn them. He was not the only one but there are ten more people who have been victims of violence, including Vinoo Sachania. Only thing common among all these is .. they were very active swadhyay members few years ago and now they are questioning the operations of Swadhyay. Can this be just a co incidence?
I disagree with you about the Bheekh and Bhav concept. If you ask for donation to help earthquake victims that is not Bheekh or begging. I think you are using Bhav and Bheekh to justify the fact that you do not have to account for what happens to money.
Whether it is Bhav or Bheekh most prudent thing to do is to be transparent about where funds were used.
When parivar accumulates wealth does it belong to the masses or is it property of few in charge?

- Vijay Mehta


More spin from SP
Post by Swadhyayi on Jun 22nd, 2006, 02:09am

Dear A-Swadhyayee from Canada,

Let me share some wisdom with you:

1. Incidents of beating up - there were 3 or 4 incidents happened. It has never been proved that Swadhyay Parivar was behind this. So keep your mouth shut until it is proved, OK?

2. Didi has been active in Swadhyay since 1980s and has not appeared overnight in Karya. If you don't know this - it shows that either you were not in Swadhyay or new in Swadhyay.

3. 100+ trusts - can you name all the trusts? What nonsense you are talking about?

4. Old Swadhyayees who were 25 to 45 years old in Karya and left - for every such person who left, I can name 20 or more who are in karya for equal long time and still there. So what's your point?

5. Giving Dada benefit of doubt etc. - I have simple suggestion for you. If you do not have trust or faith in Puj. Dada, do not go to Swadhyay. It is as simple as that. You are simply wasting your time. Go and join a Bhajan Mandali in your area - sorry to say this but Swadhyay is not for you.

On June 21st 9.20 PM Swadhyayi from Canada wrote...
"A Guru SHOULD BE JUDGED BY HIS ACTIONS AND NOT WORDS.

Yes, it is true that the incidents of beating up some swadhyayees happened in Dada's life time.

Yes, it is true that Dada kept followes in Dark and did not reveal his intention of GADI PRATHA establishment until later stage of his life.

Yes, it is true that Dada did not do anything to stop some nuisances like Vyaktipuja. Now parivar is indulging in to Vanshpuja...what a shame!

yes, it si true that Dada himself establsihed over 100 trusts and continued accumulating money in them and did not spend for human-upliftment.

Yes, it is true that almost all of the old swadhyayees, who spent anywhere between 25 to 45 years in SWADHYAY left swadhyay when Dada was alive but for Dada nothing was more important than his daughter,

MOST OF THE gurus LOVE TO BECOME GOD but refuse to become a true GURU.

I would love to give Dada a benefit of doubt, but looking at the facts I am helpless. "

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Independent Observer on Jun 22nd, 2006, 6:44pm


I see a stiriking difference in posts by Didi-swadhyayi and people who question them and in all honesty, some of the the Didi swadhyayis are using very abusive language. This shows how any sampraday transforms an open minded person into an intolerant and blind follower. This is true for any sampraday in any religion.

Are you older than Vijaybhai and that is why started with "Vijay" and not "Vijaybhai"? Or you are simply mad at him because he started this thread?

Lets look at some of the comments "Swadhyayi" recently made on this forum. He stated and I quote, " However, the method employed by M/s Pankaj Trivedi & few dozen others is not acceptable simply becasue it is illogical for them to expect that Swadhyay Parivar be run according to their whims and fancies. "

So what he is saying is that any one who question or oppose something, by his absurd definiton becomes illogical and blind followers like him label it as "whims" and "Fancies". It is very clear to me who is illogical here. The fact is swadhyay does not allow any criticism or any questions. If you are not ready to become a blind follower, you do not belong in swadhyay.

His second argument for Pankajbhai goes like this: ") why don't you go and create a better 'doodh-pak' and show us how better / smarter you are." This person Swadhyayi seems to deliberately raise such stupid issues. As per his definition, if you are not a GURU or a LEADER, you can not question anything.

He also brags about "positive work" but the question is can he name few villages where the education level or standard of living of people has gone up due to swadhyay?

Can he tell us how mnay trusts swadhyay has and who are the trustees and how many crores of ruppes are there in these trusts collecting interest year after year?

He also stated that there are some things in swadhyay that he doesn't like. I hope he is talking about vyakti-puja, Vansh-puja, wealth accumulation, violent attacks, BRAINWASHING, MANIPULATION to name a few.

Can you tell us what percentage of earthquake donation was in fact used to provide raw materials to victims? Can you tell us IF swadhyay "BUILD" any houses for the earthquake victims? Why DAY's balance was up about 3 million US dollars in the year 2002, which is very unusual compared to previous years?

Can you tell why DAY stopped filing with I.R.S. after 2002?

Can you tell the current cash on hand DAY has?

He also talks about " BHAV-SAMARPAN" which is the same as donation ( by the way if you notice, swadhyay has always used very heavy words like " ASHMITA-JAGRUTI", "HUMAN-UPLIFTMENT", " APOURUSH-LAXMI (impersonal wealth", "BHAV-VRUDHDHI", " BHAV-FERI", "BHAKTI-FERI"(Pure marketing) to attract people and pull the crowd in. Once you are in, you are expected to do what they say, you are not allowed to ask any questions or oppose anything. The minute you do, they stop seeing "GOD" within you and start behaving in the same manner as this "Swadhyayi" is behaving.

Also they stop seeing "GOD" within you as soon as a new swadhyay kendra is established in your area as now they need to go somewhere else for marketing.

I know swadhayayis spend their own money when they go for "BHAV-FERI" (Marketing trip). Is this also true for DIDI? Who is paying for her first class trips all over the world every year?

He also stated arogantly, "other than Swadhay all NGOs need to ask for "Bheekh" (begging) to get their work going whereas Swadhyay never asks for any money."

Well this may be true, but the real question is what happens to this money? If money collected by bagging is used for needy people, it is indeed a noble humanatarian work. On the other hand, if money collected as " BAHV-SAMARPAN" ( I can't stop laughing at these words, sorry swadhyayi) is not used for the intended cause, it is cheating with the people.

Now I warn everybody to tighten your belts, BUCKLE UP as this is going to get very ugly if few of his posts are any indication. He seems to have extremely low tolerance for the truth.


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India Tribune Article
Post by Texan Here on Jun 22nd, 2006, 8:39pm

India Tribue has a detailed article on Pankajbhai trivedi's murder case titled "PARIVAR TOP BOSSES SUSPECTED." Aug 6, 2006

From News Dispatches Ahmedabad: A Non-Resident Indian of Ohio was murdered by four unidentified persons on June 15 evening just outside a club, police said. The victim identified as Pankaj Trivedi (43) was clubbed to death by the four assailants just after he stepped outside the Ellisbride Gymkhana, police said. Officials said that the watchman of the club could have witnessed the incident, as it was he who had raised an alarm about the attack. Police is on the lookout for the assailants and are probing the reasons behind the murder.

Officials said that preliminary probe revealed that the victim was a resident of the United States and was in town recently. “The victim had also feared for his life from some persons of a powerful religious sect. We are investigating the matter”, an official said. Meanwhile, on June 19, even four days after Pankaj Trivedi was murdered, the police were still groping in the dark. Seemingly restrained by the influence of the socio-spiritual organization involved, investigations seem to be going at a tardy pace and have been transferred to the CID (crime).

Now the focus is on five persons named by Trivedi in letters found from his car, but none has been questioned so far. According to police sources, Trivedi had written letters to the President, the Chief Minister, the State Home Minister, the director general of police and the Ahmedabad police commissioner, indicating that his life was under threat. “If any of my family members or myself is hurt or murdered, then the following people should be questioned,” wrote Trivedi in his letter to the President on November 10, 2005.

He named Dhanshree Talwalkar, alias ‘Didi’, Bharat Bhatt, a parivar member, Dhiren Joshi, Prashant Rawal, a retired sessions judge, and Manish Shaushali, a resident of Rajkot. “We have information that Trivedi in his letter to the President accused five persons, including Dhanshree Talwalkar alias Didi.

We would be interrogating the deceased’s family members, and action would be taken against anyone whose name would emerge,” said Ellisbridge police inspector, N.K. Rathod. When asked about the letters deputy commissioner of police (zone 1) A.K. Jadeja said, “We have not questioned anyone accused in the letters since the case is being investigated by the CID crime. However, we are investigating involvement of professional killers hired to murder Trivedi.” Preliminary post-mortem reports indicated that Trivedi was attacked thrice with a hard blunt weapon in the head.

Meanwhile, the cell phone number found in Trivedi’s car is from Jamnagar. Trivedi’s family members are to arrive in Ahmedabad soon for his funeral. “We would also be taking their statements and ask whether they suspect anyone,” Jadeja said.

Jagdish Shah, a close friend of Trivedi said on June 17 that even he has been receiving threat calls. “I had got three calls on my cell phones and two more on my land line numbers. The person on the line threatened me to be prepared for dire consequences,” says Shah. Shah has also applied for police protection at the Satellite police station. One more person, Pradeep Shah, associated with the organization, has also sought police protection.

Trivedi had also written a letter to the Resident Agent In-charge of US Secret Service based in Dayton, Ohio, seeking protection for himself and his family and addressed to Todd R. Bagby. Trivedi wrote: ‘’Seeking appropriate protection for me and my family from the leader and fanatic followers of ‘Devotional Association of Yogeshwar’ also known as ‘Swadhyay’, whose unethical and illegal activities I have exposed.

The head of the organization is Jayashree Talwalkar a.k.a Didi.’’ Trivedi further wrote: “On April 1, 2006, outside the Newark airport in New Jersey, four unknown people threatened me and asked me to stop all my activities related to exposing the unethical work of ‘Swadhyay’ organization. This is one of the several incidents that myself and my family have faced in the US and India ever since I started asking questions openly about the motives and financial activities of this organization.” Claiming that he was also being falsely implicated, Trivedi wrote: “My biggest concern is that they have become so desperate now that the media has started to take notice of their unethical work that they might fabricate evidence against me and my family.

“One such incident happened last week. They had falsely written a letter to an unknown person under my name claiming that I had intentions of hurting President George Bush. Rightfully, concerned, Secret Service agents investigated me. While I gave you my full cooperation since I didn’t write that letter and have absolutely no political interest anywhere, my concern is that Didi and her followers are so powerful and well-connected that they will continue to do such things to harass me.

” Trivedi claimed in his letter that he was associated with the Swadhyay Parivar since 1972. “At that time, the main objective was to spread the philosophical aspect of Hindu religion.

However, over the last five years, I found the organization has been collecting millions of dollars and not a penny spent on the cause for which the money was collected.

When I started asking questions, I was harassed,” Trivedi wrote, adding that “During my investigations I found:
” * After 2001 Gujarat earthquake, Devotional Association of Yogeshwar collected about $4.2 million from people in the US. The founder’s niece claimed that they have built around 40,000 houses for the earthquake victims, but a UN report suggests that only about 10 per cent of the money collected was spent. * In the UK, the organization had collected about 310,097 pounds for that cause but only about 10 per cent of it was transferred to India. I have a letter from the government of Gujarat that this organization has not built any houses and have no “MoU” with it. *

They have forcefully closed “Bhavnigar Temple” in Ahmedabad, claiming that it is a property of the trust. However, the money to build temple was collected from people and government. I have registered a legal case against them to reopen the temple, in Ahmedabad Civil Sessions Division Court and the case No. is 567/ 2002. *

There are several complaints against me in various courts in Gujarat. On March 8, 2006, the High Court of Gujarat threw away all the cases against me and asked the followers to stop harassing me. “If anything happens to me or my family in India or the USA, Jayshree Talwalkar (aka Didi), her husband Niwas Talwalkar and their followers are responsible for that,” Trivedi wrote in the letter.

On June 16, a close friend of Trivedi, Jagdish Shah, said: “I am aware of that letter. Pankajbhai had spoken to me in that regard.” “Two months back, an attempt was made to attack Trivedi in Gondal. He had lodged a complaint with the police there,” Shah said. According to Shah, “Pankajbhai had also informed the Chief Minister Narendra Modi, Minister of State for Home Amit Shah and Law Minister Ashok Bhatt about the irregularities done by Swadhyay members in using foreign funds for the earthquake. He had also expressed fear that he and his family are facing threat to life.” Swadhyay members could not be contacted despite repeated attempts. Meanwhile, the police are clueless about the absconding accused. Police said that while they were investigating the rivalry angle in Swadhyay, nobody had lodged a complaint in this regard. “So we are keeping the investigation open,” police said.


This is India Tribune article from August 2006. Since than we have Bharat Bhatt, Ghanshayam Chudasama and several others long time Swadhyayees are charged with murder of Pankajbhai. This crime was not committed for any personal gain but on behalf of Swadhyay. NRI Swadhyayees are lost as to why such things happen under the name of religion? Didi might get an oppertunity to explain to us during her upcoming visit to Chicago. - Vijay Mehta


Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 22nd, 2006, 8:59pm

First a motabhai says he took sleeping pills, but then admits to talking to Didi 15-30 minutes after the murder? How the hell did he find out so fast and what the hell is going on here?

Trying to have an open dialogue with other swadhyayis in my area has been tremendously frustrating.... conversations repeat like broken records.... "Nobody's grief was more than Didi's grief"......Swadhyay is like a garage w/ all types of cars".... "Pankaj Trivedi had gambling problems, that's why he was killed" ...... When did we stop thinking for ourselves and start regurgitating word for word everything we hear from our motabhais?

What disturbs me the most is that there is an underlying tacit belief that all the opponents of Swadhyay actually deserved what they had coming to them? Including murder!

Swadhyayi...I think that if we have faith in our organization, we have got to be more open to criticism, especially from an intellectual viewpoint. We have to stop attacking and questioning the committment of those that dare to question. Just because you don't understand, doesn't mean you don't care...

Pankaj Trivedi apparently had legitimate evidence suggesting monetary fraud within the organization. does anyone out there have any idea what he was driving at? We should all examine this further instead of pushing it under the rug...

Vijay...simply throwing out words like Gadi Prada, etc doesn't really make you sound very intelligent, in fact, it makes you sound like a fanatic.....let's cut the crap and start having a real debate...

I think the real question here is....if you enjoy and benefit from what a religious organization has to offer, but disagree with the leadership and way things are run, are you doing yourself and your soul a disservice by still being associated with it? Think about this in a context outside of Swadhyay....The Roman Catholic church has murdered hundreds and thousands (for an example, look up the Spanish Inquisition) and had priests molesting young boys, but yet provides millions of people with moral direction and solace....




Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by You better believe it on Jun 22nd, 2006, 9:17pm

I believe there is a big difference between "spirituality" and " DHARMIKTA". If you study Hindu religion, you will notice that Sampradays do not nurture true YOGIS or SADHAKS. For example, Narsimh Mehta, Mirabai, Eknath, Tukaram, etc etc were successsful in their spiritual jorney and what is common between them all? They did not belong to any sampradaya.

Now this is not a mere coincident. The enviroment in sampradays is filled with all the nuisances such as GADI-PRATHA, VYAKTI-PUJA, VANSH-PUJA, MONEY, POWER, VIOLENCE etc. This is why it is extremely diffcult, I would say almost impossible to achieve GOD in an organized religion.

Mr. Unbelievable seems to be OK with GADI-PRATHA but the real problem with GADI-PRATHA is that merits, credentials are not required to inherit the GADI. The followers automatically become puppet of whoever inherit the GADI and instead of worshiping GOD, blind followers start worshiping GURU and his FAMILY. Instead of developing virtues, they develope BLIND FAITH.

Is this spirituality all about? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

This is a very important issue and we can discuss it some other time.
Vyakti Puja
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 22nd, 2006, 9:34pm

Never said I was a supporter of Gadi pooja, vyakti pooja, etc.....

Vivekananda was a great soul...guess what? he had a guru, as did many others.... enlightenment without assistance is unbelievably rare...some that did it are now worshipped...Jesus, Mahavir, Buddha...

The need for organized religion is an age old debate which I can guarantee you has no chance of being resolved in this forum...

Vijay...if you are on your way to enlightenment, more power to you....though the amount of time you spend on the computer knocking Swadhyay doesn't really jive w/ truth seeking...



Guru's are very important but there is a difference between Guru and Govind. The former is a human being who may not be perfect in every which way. While Govind is perfect one.

I disagree with you, I have not knocked Swadhyay. As a matter of fact I am impressed with hundreds of Swadhyayees I know personally, including Sudhaben Aassar, who passed away a year ago. I have met so many young men and women in this country whose solid character has lot do to with Swadhyay.

The issue to me is what Pankajbhai died for. Do people have right to expect that a Bhav given with the intention of helping earthquake victims is used for that purpose?

Back in 2001 Red Cross collected lot more funds for 911 victims then they needed (they did not go begging for it, but people voluntarily donated) When I sent my check they returned stating that they no longer needed funds for 911, rather than using it for any other purpose.

Thank you. - Vijay Mehta


Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by You better believe it on Jun 22nd, 2006, 9:49pm




Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jun 23rd, 2006, 1:41pm

June 22, 2006

Will You Help Pankaj Trivedi who is killed in India?

In short, what Pandurang Shashtri Athavale collected as donations in the name of God for spread of thoughts of Srimad Bhagwad Geeta was not utilised for the purpose. These donations in the form of securities and bank investments amounted to Rupees two hundred crores. Further, the flow of donations in crores of rupees used to come regularly.

What was considered to be Devdravya was treated as personal wealth of Pandurang Shashtri during the last days of his life. He removed all neutral nearly 70 trustees from about 100 charitable trusts formed by him. His adopted daughter Jayshree Talwalkar and her husband were replaced as trustees which gave full control of The Devdravya to them.

This was objected by devoted followers who had laid their lives for strengthening of the movement or organisation. Further, the trusts had property worth Rupees five hundred crores. Donations worth nearly Rupees 400 crores were collected from NRIs of U.S. and U.K. for constructing houses for earth quake effected people but the same was not utilised for the purpose but was pocketed.

NRI Pankaj Trivedi started asking for accounts of Earth Quake Relief funds. He further filed an application before appropriate Indian Court for throwing open a temple (Bhav Nirjar) for members of public which was closed by Jayshree Talwalkar.

In retaliation, Pankaj Trivedi and other dedicated Swadhyayees were attacked and assaulted at the hands of ignorant new Swadhyayees. such actions gave bad name to the organisation. So number of false criminal cases under various Indian Penal Code sections were filed against Pankaj Trivedi and old dedicated Swadhyayees in rural India. The strategy was to compel these people to come to rural India where they would be killed by mobs. For the malice purpose, utter false inciting stories were fed to the masses.

Pankaj Trivedi filed writ petition against 22 identical cases and The High Court at Ahmedabad, India ruled that all the cases were fabricated and The Court observed that the language of all complaints by different ignorant Swadhyayees were word to word matching in 22 cases filed miles away to each other. The High Court at Ahmedabad quashed all the criminal complaints against Pankaj Trivedi and other old dedicated Swadhyayees at one go. The other side approached to The Supreme Court of India who also dismissed all the complaints, sealing doors for malicious desires of complainants to send Pankaj Trivedi and other dedicated old Swadhyayees to jail.

Pankaj Trivedi has been killed on 15th Night at Ahmedabad in India. According to a local news-paper Pankaj Trivedi had donated Rupees one and half crore to Pandurang Shashtri.

Indians who will fight for the cause of getting the murderers punished might meet the same fate. False criminal cases will also be filed against them which empower corrupt police officials to arrest and hammer them in lock-ups also make them vulnerable for fatal assaults at the hands of mobs. The slow judiciary cost heavy against whom the cases are filed and finish them financially.

Pankaj Trivedi when came to U.S. about three months ago had to face the grilling by Home Security Agency as a letter in Urdu with his photo along with the photo of Bin Laden was forwarded to Home Security Agency stating that Pankaj Trivedi was a threat to The President of U.S.A. He was found to be innocent and The Home Security Agency was to go in detail of the fabricated letter with false information about Pankaj Trivedi. Pankaj Trivedi would have been prime witness in un-earthing of this fraud.

He should have been killed by his enemies to protect themselves from legal actions of not utilising donations for the purpose and forwarding a fabricated letter to Home Security Agency.

May I urge the NRIs to give enough publicity and persuade Home Security to investigate and find out the persons behind The Urdu letter who are most likely killers of Pankaj Trivedi.

Let's do some justice to a brave and noble man who invited his death for a cause of justice.

A Swadhyayee.



Post Pankajbhai Strategy
Post by An Observer on Jun 25th, 2006, 12:55pm

This plot reminds me of a novel: The Murder, She wrote.......
As I know, matters published in the news papers or magazines like "Arpar", "Chitralekha" etc is seen by this Organization as news of the day. Next day the new story shows up and the newspaper/Megazine becomes nothing but rubbish to be used by the shopkeeper to wrap things.

Nothing much is acieved........except for a publicity for the day and the story will be forgotten.

OK, so should this Organization be allowed to remain in its presnt form? I think not.

The Swadhyay will take a great relief now that Mr Trivedi has been brutly removed from the scene. By such a brutal killing 'Didi' has sent a message to others that 'she' is inviciable and that another Trivedi is not born to challenge her corrupt & autocratic power. If there were to be another Trevidi, 'she' can finish him too.

Now, what next?

To be sucessful, there must be a stratagy. I do not know whether Ms Trivedi & others have any 'post' event (after murder) strategy to make J Talwalker realise that she is wrong.

I have a 5 poiint plan:

(1) Hire a professional Barister of excellent high reputation from Delhi/Culcutta (as I am not sure whether Mumbai has any such lawyers!- sorry Mumbai) and obtain a 'stay order' on all the Trusts & finances on Pariwar until the matter is resolved to its ownership i.e. - the ulitmate communities from where it came from.

(2) Take messages to all the villages & towns where this Pariwar has centers. Educate the people that: yes go to the centeres but do not take part in any activities which generates wealth in the name of GOD. God does not need wealth. Because Bhagvat Gits says that: everything in this Universer belongs to me i..e Krishna & not to us. This is why when we die, we go empty handed! Make them realise that this is a business in the name of God & they are palying with your own emotions (as we Gujus are emotional fools!). Their time & money spent for this Priwar will not help their families and there is no justification when done by neglecting the families.

(3) Educate them that they do not let anyone misuse their trust and that to treat this Pariwar, an Organization. Your true Pariwar is your own family. In this Pariwar, you are needed so long as you are able to toil on their agriculture fields or do 'Bhav Pheris' and give your money. To justify this argument, devise a test formula & let me test this out for themselves. For examle, suggest that they ask a question to the "head" (so called Motabhai) about the finances and check for the reaction and after effect! Ask for a finance loan! and see what happens. Ask for transperency.

(4) Educate them that they do not attend mass rallys/programmes which is not for the benfits of the individuals but its merely a showcase for the Pariwar to demonstrate its muscle power to the society & satisfy "her" as well "her" henchmens ego!

(5) Ask the Indian + overseas chartiy commissions to investigate the purpose of the mass wealth accumulated and how it is intend to be spent for the benefit of the masses.

This is not exclusive but are my thoughts. I am sure many people will have similar thinking. Bring as many strong workable ideas/thoughts together and start impelmenting them.

Mr Trevid's life must not be allowed to go waste!


First of all this is almost two years since the death of Pankajbhai and instead of becoming a story on old newspaper this is reverberating across the globe. The new generation is tech savvy and they are going thru the net to collect the information. This has caused the biggest counter shock to Didi. I do not think that this story will ever be forgotten.

Your suggestions are great. Eventually, Ex Swadhyayees would develope enough courage to come out from shadow and take the leadership.

- Vijay Mehta




Evidence leads to Rajkot
Post by MahadevPatel on Jun 25th, 2006, 5:55pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1678843.cms
GANDHINAGAR: The key to solving the mystery surrounding the murder of NRI businessman Pankaj Trivedi could be in Saurashtra.

TOI sources in the state home ministry said on Sunday that "a major breakthrough in the murder case will be achieved soon, as the police are working on some significant leads in the case".

Several teams of city police are camping in Saurashtra to probe the murder that, cops say, is rooted in his legal tangle with some members of a socio-spiritual group, Swadhyay Parivar.

Trivedi was clubbed to death by four unidentified assailants on the evening of June 15. The police are now focusing on tracking the activities of some of the Swadhyay Parivar members,who hail from Saurashtra's fishermen community.

The sources said the assailants may have travelled to Ahmedabad from Saurashtra. NK Rathod, inspector at Ellisbridge police station, is a part of a five-member team sent to Rajkot to conduct this probe.

"We are probing similar attacks that took place on Swadhyay Parivar members who had sided with Trivedi in the dispute,"said Rathod.

In October 2003, one of Trivedi's associates, Vinu Sachaniya of Pardih in Jamnagar was beaten up by assailants who followed a modus operandi similar to that adopted by Trivedi's killers - they came armed with baseball bats and sticks in a Maruti van.

This, along with two other cases of assault on Trivedi's associates in Rajkot city - also dating back to 2003 - are being probed by Ahmedabad city police.

"In most of these cases, the real culprits had remained in the background. Questioning these people has finally begun to expose the real faces behind this murder and the legal dispute that links Trivedi and the Swadhyay Parivar,"said a highly placed police source.

(Inputs: Vikram Rautela in Ahmedabad)


This article clearly shows who murdered Pankajbhai and under whose instruction.

Let us hope that eventual killer (person with two 'D's in her name instead of 1 as in 'D' gang) is arrested and tried and punished.

God works in mysterious way. This might be the time to punish people who attacked innocent swadhayees fighting for truth. - Vijay Mehta

To Parivar is increasing..
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 26th, 2006, 06:48am

" But, the result is different............in this 5 year........Swadhyay increases double..........

about 3000 - Yuva kendra.....today it is 27000.....
about 4000 Yogeshwar krushi...today it is about 10000/-
today more than 10 lac Yuvan speaks on GITA ever year..."
- Parivar is increasing


If those growth numbers are accurate as you are stating it is truely impressive. I am not sure thuough what is your source of that numbers.
But one thing is sure .. even that growth can not be sustained unless the the bhakts can be assured that they are worshipping the right Bhagwan.
So, commitment to non-violence, transparent accounting, use of money for the upliftment of poor etc. are essential ingradients of continued succes.
I have really not met anyone who is bent upon destryoing Swadhyay. But seems like Pankajbhai and others believed in Swadhyay, they dedicated their Tan -Man and Dhan for Swadhyay. And that is the reason they are risking everything to see changes in Swadhyay.

I am sure time will tell what impact Pankajbhai's sacrifice would have on Swadhyay and other religions in India. But I have a feeling that Pankajbhai did not die in vein.

We live in new enviornment where even the devotees will expect justice and accountability. Gone are the days when a strong religion can silence anyone raising questions.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 26th, 2006, 10:24am


Let us put pressure on authorities
Post by Hemant shah on Jun 26th, 2006, 11:17am

An appeal to Mr. Vijaybhai Mehta and other prominent community leaders and organizations........

It has been 11 days after Shri Pankajbhai's brutal murder. Despite of Late Pankajbhai's letters to President, Cheif minister of Gujarat, Home Minister of India, Police superitendent clearly stating risk of his life and even providing names of people to hold responsible in case he is killed, Gujarat police is still shooting in dark and "going slow" on investigations. Not a good sign.......

As a community leader, you should write a letter to Chief Minister Narendra Modi, President of India, Prime Minister of India and demand a thorough, prompt and impartial probe into the gruesome murder.

Chief Minister's Office
Block No 1, 5th Floor, New Sachivalaya,
Gandhinagar 382 010,
Gujarat, INDIA.
E-mail of Hon'ble Chief Minister: cm@gujaratindia.com
Tel: +91-79-23232611 to 18 (O)
Fax:+91-79-23222101

Good Suggestion. Do you have the contact information for the Prime Minister and the President?

It is concerning to know that after this many days authorities seem to be lost in this case.

This is also a sad commentary about the news media in Gujarat. Independent news media that is willing to do investigative reporting and keeping populace informed is crucial to democracy. Now that this story is catching attention suddenly media is busy printing all sorts of stories. While the fact is, most of this information was public knowledge for quite some time. Where was the media then? - Vijay Mehta

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by rajubhai on Jun 26th, 2006, 11:11pm

In the early years,I knew that all religeous sact are same and there is always a curruption and malpractices and power game behind and inside the tample.
So I did not follow any so called religeon.
However I found Dada's way of delivering the pravachan on gita and upanishad, something different ,which led me to follow by tan,man and dhan and with a clear understanding and base on bhakti.
I thought that this is THE work.
Now came the turning point around 1999-2000,when we found great disparity between pravachan and actual behaviour in the families.The pariwar could exert pressure among the families to join them but this is difficult to explain which led to division of family system in order to creat new family. that is a highly sofisticated cult, but the language of pariwar is so sweet that you do not percieve that in the begining.
I can say that all the religeon are same and full of money and power game besides preaching. Krishna is just great even after 5000 years,undisputed...long live VEDIC CULTURE....
Manish Savsani in slammer
Post by Hemant Shah on Jun 27th, 2006, 07:51am

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Ahmedabad/articleshow/msid-1686424,curpg-2.cms

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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Vijay Shah on Jun 27th, 2006, 2:12pm

Puj. Dadaji lived his life along the principle of "Ayachak vrat" (not to ask for help) ............ he did not need to ask for help what he did was pre-planed schemes where he made millions of Rupees .........he fooled innocent farmers BY DOING SO CALLED YOGESHWAR KRUSHI he asked them to give a peice of land in name of god and made them work hard day and night........whatever was grown in that farm they sold and deposited money into Dada's account later handed over to DIDI .......... I am sorry to say here once again that after praticing swadhyay for so many years he could not live the MOH for his so called daughter, what can he and you accept from his followers.

Swadhay all NGOs need to ask for "Bheekh" (begging) to get their work going whereas Swadhyay never asks for any money. Its true that swadhyayee never asked for money for so called BHEEKH but what what they did was took properties for lease from government and poor farmers and sold it. The best example is land in Bhavnirjar (Ahmedabad) Gujarat. The lease already expired in 2002 and the land today is estimated worth RS 600 - 800 Crore. Is Money important or Swadhyay (self study) to DIDI and her followershuh Shame on them!


I hope you now understand swadhyayee money making schemes........... open your eyes and ask your inner soul will u still follow this so called DIDI or help expose her scandles
Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Sanjay Sharma on Jun 27th, 2006, 2:55pm

Ravi asked "How many of you think that NRI Pankaj Trivedi was killed by members associated with swadhyay parivar?? Will the Swadhyay give back the government land in Bhavnirjar (Ahmedabad) Gujarat The lease already expired in 2002 and the land today is estimated worth RS 600 - 800 Crore. Is Money important or Swadhyay (self study) to DIDI and her followers"

My answer " If they wanted to give away the land back to Government they would have done so in 2002 when the lease expired. Now, what will happen is DIDI will distribute RS 200-300 Crore between Police men, News paper reporters and politician. Still she will have RS 400 - 500 Crore for herself and the chanting of "Jay Yogeshwar" will cointinue as usual. GOD give me a Brake!.
Predicting the future.....
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27th, 2006, 3:38pm

Good Job Ravi, Darshan and everyone,

I think message is clear. You really do not need much of middle men or women to do Karma Yoga. If every devout Swadhyayee uses 5-10% of time and energy for upliftment of humanity the impact can be tremendous.
I think Bhagwan no Bhag (God's Share) was a buzz phrase to take money away from people without accountability.

I don't know if they will give land back or not. But, I would predict that "party is over!"

1. People will think twice before just handing over the money. Number of new recruits will go down, fund collection will dwindle.
2. News media would do lot of asking as to how much wealth is accumulated already. And how much actual help has been given to poor and victims of earthquake.
3. Politicians will also realize that being seen with the leaders of Swadhyay is a liability not an asset, so they will change the party.
4. And if we are lucky and some corrupt leaders are removed, Swadhyay will emerge as a much stronger, transperant and focused organization.
Pankajbhai will be remembered as a "fearless Krantikar that laid down his life on line for principle."
5. And, all the arch enemies of Pankajbhai would wish that if they could turn back clock, they would have never wished death on Pankajbhai. Brahm Hatya will prove very costly.

Breaking News: Manish Savsani is arrested
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27th, 2006, 4:13pm


Police have arrested Manish Savsani of Rajkot for the violent attack on Vinoobhai Sachania in Jamnagar. Vinoobhai was also injured by four men with baseball bat in October 2003, when he was in Jamnagar. Manishbhai is Motabhai for seven districts near Rajkot and very high ranking person in Swadhyay organization.

More than 1500 Swadhyayee's waited outside the hospital where Manish was being treated for dizziness and weakness. ( Doctors say he had fear phobia)

Police believes that all these people did not just appear but they were called by telephone.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1686424.cms

AHMEDABAD/RAJKOT: Manish Savsani, one of the prime suspects in the sensational murder of NRI, Pankaj Trivedi earlier this month, was arrested on Tuesday afternoon by the Ahmedabad police, from a private nursing home in Rajkot.

Savsani — a prominent member of Swadhyay parivar and based in Rajkot — was arrested after being discharged from Madhuram hospital in Rajkot, on Tuesday afternoon even as a crowd collected to protest his arrest.

Savsani was hospitalised on Sunday afternoon, after he reportedly complained of chest pain. He was earlier 'grilled' by Ahmedabad police, for two days, in connection with Trivedi murder, "We have arrested Savsani to probe into his involvement in the criminal assault on a Londonbased NRI and former parivar member, Vinu Sanchania in 2003," additional commissioner of police, PK Jha said.

Police sources said that investigations in the Jamnagar case are now being handled by the Ahmedabad police, which claims to have enough evidence of Savsani's involvement in Trivedi's murder.

Savsani's arrest followed the Ahmedabad commissionerate's recent decision to order re-investigation in the yet 'undetected' cases of assault on Swadhyay Parivar members earlier after Trivedi's murder on June 15.

Savsani was one of the 30 persons, Trivedi had suspected could get him killed as per his letters to top officials. Trivedi had also requested that the letters be considered as his 'dying declaration.'

According to the police, Sanchania was brutally assaulted by some unidentified goons in Jamnagar in October 2003 when he was in India for his father's last rites.

Four other persons were also injured in the incident. Savsani was the prime accused in this case. The goons in this case too had come in a Maruti van and used baseball bat as the assault weapon.


Akila also carried an article on June 17, 2006.
Yuva Kare Swal Didi Jawab De
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27th, 2006, 4:21pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060628/guj/gujarat/news2.html

Yuva Kare Swal Tuzko
Didi Jawab De...
June 28, 2006
Young men and women of Swadhyay are curious to discuss the current crisis. They are being told not to watch the TV or read the news but just focus on Swadhyay. Once again arrogance over open discussion and explanation.


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Modern Mahabharat
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 27th, 2006, 4:37pm

Interesting and funny article in Gujarati.
Pankajbhai as "Abhimanyu" who was able to solve six circles of intimidation, lawsuits etc but lost to Koot Niti by the gang of 9 people including motabhai Bharat Bhatt.
Guess who is uncompromising "Duryodhan" loving every square centimeter of land and leading all his people to downfall?



Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Unbelievable on Jun 27th, 2006, 9:37pm

Vijay,

Thank you for updating us with the latest story from the gujarati news services. Please continue updating and translating into English for those of us non Gujaratis...it seems like the Gujarati newspapers are more current than their English language counterparts.

It is true that at least in the US, it seems that any questioning of motives by Swadhyayees leads to the standard dismissals and urging to stay true to "dada's thoughts."


It is true, I have trouble getting detail information in English media. While most of young Swadhyayees I know are also interested in learning the whole truth. - Vijay Mehta

Confession of an ex Swadhyayee
Post by Open minded Citizen on Jun 28th, 2006, 01:58am

Bhai,

Believe me - I was stronger swadhyayee than you... Pandurang Shastri came at my place twice, at my village thrice... I was very close to him, I was vibrant worker of Vayastha Sanchalan and I was also thinking like you...

But today, I have gone in details - I studied Jayshree's work, Pandurang's motivation... They have just used us and taken lots of money by different type of activities...

Swadhyay's main point of view was excellent but they haven't walk on same road... they have just cheated all of us by their strong talkie narrations.

I was knowing this Pankajbhai also - he was the strongest swadhyayee in Pandurang's karya.

He has given his whole life for so called swadhyaya. But as he has raised his voice against odds, he has been killed by this organization...

Don't believe in Vyakti puja... believe in serious and sencire work for samaj... believe in your soul... first make your soul clean and neutral - otherwise after some years you will join us - am sure - this is worst and corrupted organization.... they are just using you - your friend and others for their money oriented motivation...

If you want to notice - go and ask how much money there in their account? Ask for daily cost jobsheet...? You will be thrown out... or you can be killed also...

Be careful and shut your mouth if you want to continue this idiot swadhyaya...

Only then you can survive... Just take positive thoughts of swadhyaya - and run out of it...

your well wisher



Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Makwana on Jun 28th, 2006, 12:44pm

Fully agree with this person. Long live Jayshree.. Talab ke magermachh ki jay ho. People now know that opposing swadhyay means you r opposing your life. Think about your family as who will take care of them if you die tomotrrow like Pankaj T?

BTW, should we kill Manish swanani as otherwise he could speak out few names and could cause trouble for swadhyay leaders? Not sure. Let me ask Jayshree.

I think government shoud provide extra portection to Manishbhai and specially if he comes out after reemand time is over. The last thing we need is more bloodshed - Vijay Mehta
Brahm Samaj Speaks up..
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28th, 2006, 2:16pm


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Mahant Shree Gopalnandjee, President of Gujarat region All India Sadhu Samaj has appealed to all the leaders to look into fraud and mismanagement allegations and find the culprit behind Pankajbhai's murder.

I think as other religious leader realize that such acts not only hurt one sect of religion but people start losing faith in others too. All leaders in government and police are urged to get to the root of all the allegation. Otherwise this can spread like cancer in our society to destroy us all - Gopalanandjee.
Father invests Son collects ....
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28th, 2006, 2:41pm

In Gujarati..
http://www.akilanews.com/daily/page/page11.pdf

Manishbhai's dad was a physician and served Swadhyay for more than 20 years. But he lived in the same old house during that time. Manishbhai became a Motabhai 5 years ago. About the same time his prosperity skyrocketed and he tore down old building and replaced with Shandar three story building. Who says Prabhukrupa does not payhuh



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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Article in English on Jun 28th, 2006, 5:30pm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1688870.cms

RAJKOT: Manish Savsani alias Motabhai, one of the prime suspects in the sensational murder of NRI Pankaj Trivedi earlier this month in Ahmedabad, was produced in the Jamnagar court on Wednesday, in connection with an attempt to murder case registered in Jamnagar three years ago.

He was sent to nine days’ police remand. Savsani was arrested on Tuesday afternoon by the Ahmedabad police from a private nursing home in Rajkot.

A London-based member of the Swadhyay Parivar, Vinu Sachania, had lodged a complaint with the Jamnagar police in 2003, naming Savsani as one of the four persons who had attacked him. The investigation, however, was left incomplete then.

Sources indicate that cases pertaining to the Swadhyay Parivar are now being reopened, including the Vinu Sachania case. Police sources said that there is a similarity in the attacks on Pankaj Trivedi and Vinu Sachania and it is important to gather the names of the co-accused in the Sachania case, as well as other details.



Vinu Sachania had donated Rs 2 crore to the Swadhyay Parivar for the rehabilitation of earthquake-affected people in Kutch.

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Sources indicate that Sachania began making inquiries, when he had doubts whether the money was being utilised properly and this became a point of dispute.

Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by ROHIT on Jun 28th, 2006, 6:00pm

Dear Narendrabhai Modi,

Hope this email finds you in good spirit.

Before, I start let me just say this, I am also a long time swadhyayi. That doesn't give me any right to defend any organization or people who are suspected for a brutal murder.

If you had not entered politics with Swami Vivekanada's ideals in your heart, I probably won't be writing this email to you.

At present, you are passing through most important, most critical time as a Chief Minister of Gujarat. The whole conutry, not just Gujarat is watching evrey step you take. In fact, the world is eagerly watching for the outcome of Mr. Pankajbhai Trivedi's murder case. You can write your own destiny by not let any politician interfere with the investigation and prove to the country that you are indeed performing your " RAJDHARMA" like Great King Bharat. Your integrity, your honesty is at stake and this murder case can in fact lead you to the highest position of Prime Minister of India one day.

I am deeply hurt and disturbed by some of the comments your ministers, Mr. Chhatrasinh Mori, Purushottam Rupala etc made in public in favor of Swadhyay.
I am sure you realize how appropriate it is to openly favor a religious organization suspected in this murder.

How can we Gujaratis then expect a fair and impartial investigation from this administration? They owe an apology to the people of Gujarat immedaitely and you need to take strong disciplinary actions against them to set an example.

These ministers are openly recommending renewing the land on which Bhav-Nirzar is built. Narendrabhai, we live in 21st century and this type of favoratism will only guarentee political damage to you personally and to BJP as a whole.

These ministers are not assets to your administration, they are your liablity.

If you believe in GOD, which I am sure you do, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT RENEWING LEASE to SWADHYAY.

I can not wait until you not only refuse to renew the land, but take back the land Government of Gujarat has sold to SWADHYAY at half the market value.

When the whole world is fighting terrorism, Spiritual terrorism has no place in Gandhiji's Gujarat.

Let me remind you one more thing; any one who will fight for the cause of getting the murderers punished will probably might meet the same fate. False criminal cases will also be filed against them which empower corrupt police officials to arrest and hammer them in lock-ups also make them vulnerable for fatal assaults at the hands of mobs. The slow judiciary cost heavy against whom the cases are filed and finish them financially.

If government of Gujarat had arrested criminals who assualted an N.R.I. Mr. Vinoobhai Sachania, the life of Mr. Pankajbhai would have been saved.

Would you let this ugly dance of violence continue? I hope not.

If you do, who will dare to visit Gujarat? Do you think after murder of an N.R.I, any N.R.I will even think about visiting Gujarat now a days?


One last thing, I do not like your automatic one line reply stating " Chief Minister have received your email and we acknoledge the receipt."

I expect you to take some time as I did and reply yourself.

Let's do some justice to a brave and noble man who invited his death for a cause of justice.

A true Swadhyayi.



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Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Satyapriya on Jun 28th, 2006, 6:25pm

From the EYEs rolleyes of an independent observer....
Wow! So much ignorance and blind following prevail and that in 21st century! Those who cannot see the entire politics for Money & Power being played - on The Swadhyay front are truly naive undecided
I sincerely believe Mr. Trivedi lost his life for a good cause will surely be remembered for time to come by people who are aware and activists on similar fronts…
Any one of you read George Orwell's 'Animal Farm' one of the greatest satire of our time... if not please read this small book and get enlightened! It describes what happens to the closed autocratic societies. Swadhyay Organization is one such cult or for that matter any other like Koresh's or J. Jone's cult and many more whose blind followers who refuse to see things as they are eventually doom with their self-proclaimed, egoistic, arrogant, deluded leader in this case it would be DiDi...
Wake up smell the coffee before it gets too late...

E Mail of most of Gujarati Samaj ...
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 28th, 2006, 6:36pm

Here are the emails to most of Gujarati samaj's in USA

bsou@bsou.org,admin@brahminsamaj.org,
dadhich@dadhich.com,brahminsgroup@yahoogroups.com,
brahminsgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com,
appiusforum@yahoo.com,
contact@audichyasamaj.com,info@rajtechnologies.com,
contact@shuklaanil.com,cm@gujaratindia.com,
yptripathi@hotmail.com,Secretary@bardai.org.uk,KUM PATEL@JUNO.COM,shahbps@yahoo.com,Nnagin@aol.com,
cps@patidar.net,Clpss2@juno.com,
sangankar@earthlink.net,
Chetal_patel@dell.com,NSPatel@Home.com,
Star22k@flash.net,tradeone@earthlink.net,
gsnyweb@hotmail.com,Chetal1000@aol.com,
ngandhi@kenan.com,shaharvind@aol.com,
tapadia@mindspring.com,raju@connectexpress.com,
rajbera@hotmail.com,mathiyausa@arthouse.com,
hnpanchal@hotmail.com,akt@skilling.com,
mahendra@phse.com,smitaap@massmed.org,
feedbackGSNO@hotmail.com

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Jagrut Swadhyayees are showing signs of awakening
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:24pm

Reported by Sandesh:
There is a sizable decrease in the number of regular Swadhyayees in Amdawad area. Jivarajpark Kendra that used to have more than 350 attendance is now recording only 60-70 people. In Ghatalo diya Kendra where more than 600 Swadhyayees used to attend is now recording 100-150 Swadhyayees. In addition Yuva Kendro, Mahila Kendro and Bal Sansthan Kendro is recording 50% decrease.





Jagruti - Effect on Kendras in USA
Post by Bharat Jani USA on Jun 28th, 2006, 9:39pm

Some kendras slated to be closed

Reading, PA
Lancaster, PA
Toms River, NJ
Rockland, NY


Please let us know status of others....
Dada's Arthisarjan and Didi is not there!
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jun 28th, 2006, 10:43pm



Didi may not be present at the Arthi Visharjan for Dada.
20,000 Swadhyayee from Maharastra and 1400 Swadhyayees from outside country had joined locals for this week long event to go to villeges and do charitable work.

Missing at this time is next in command and adopted daughter - Didi. Whereabouts of Didi and wheather she will join the event is anyone's guess.

If Didi had nothing to do with the murder why is she not attending this important event?

Hai Hai Yeah Majboori,
Yeah Police Aur Yeah Doori!

How much believe in media news.......
Post by Amdavadi on Jun 28th, 2006, 11:27pm

Dear Mr. Uncle,

Nowdays, whatever comes in all major newspaper in Ahmedabad pained to all swadhyay Parivar. Everybody knows what is truth. We swadhyayee knows about swadhayay activities, it's aim, why it is for us.
Hi Amdawadi,

First of all let me make it clear... I am not against Swadhyay. I have nothing but admiration for more than 100 Swadhyayees I know personally.
The difference between you and me is this.. I think it is wrong if funds were collected for earthquake and used for some bank account. That is Chori.
I believe if someone hurt Vinoobhai or killed Pankajbhai to help Swadhyay that is Dadagiri.
When you steal from Bhagawan no Bhag for lavish life style and expensive jewllary.. that is the sin of highest degree.
This can not go on indefinitely. that is why long and loyal members of Swadhyay decided to expose the racket.
This has been less than 15 days and lots of young men and women I know are asking questions.
Yes, they do have lakhs of followers and lots of resources. Yes they have made a lot of progress in number of schools etc. But, remember when you have to do Adharm to hide your shortfalls.. that means it is time for change.
Just by saying that newspaper is wrong is like sticking your head in the sand and saying that sun has not come out.
So wake up and see the reality.
Motabhai Manishbhai is in remand. And as the time goes more answers has will have to be answered about crores of dollars and ruees and how they are being used.

Once again in Geeta great & powerful team of Guru Dronacharya, Bhism Pitamah, Karna etc lost to the Dharma and Truth.
Most of people in Swadhyay go there because they believe that their money and effort is being used for upliftment of poor people. When they find out otherwise they may find different ways to help poor.
Aage Aage Dekho Hota Hain Kya.

By the way, I noticed your colorful language, is that representative of Swadhyay?






Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Raju Guide on Jun 29th, 2006, 04:24am

Dear Vijaybhai,

These, "Nalayak", "Harami", "Luchcho" and other colourful words were very favourite to Pujya DADA.
Millions of us have heard them time and again. Now, they are used in day to day course when a Swathyayi has to express displeasure against any one.

Raju Guide
who is Kaurava and Pandava...
Post by Amdavadi on Jun 29th, 2006, 06:27am

Dear Ravi,

If you believe Swadhyayee are Kaurav and his opposer are Pandava......
Let's see, How many 'Axohini sena' was there, 18....
Now, what is the ratio of the 'axohini sena' between Pandva and Kaurava.....
When you compare this to swadhyayee.....how many pandava sena as compare to Swadhyayee...it's about 0.005 %. and Kaurava is 99.995 %.
But in Mahabharat, there were no big difference between sena......you know........
So whatever you compare this with Mahabharat is absuletly wrong.............this can not be compare with mahabharat due to number of people between two.
This can be compare to Rishi and 'Rakshsha'.
Few Rakshsha were enguange to throw bone in Yagna.
Then after what was happen you know that....Rakshsha was destroyed by God......
Now you can think....in which category you are.......
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In Amdavad, I never heard that any 'Sampradaya' like, Swaminarayan, Brahmsamaj, comes in 'Vaghari', 'Harijan'.
I think you have not knowledge about this , what they do ?

I think it is wonderful that Swadhyay goes to Harijan, Vaghri and other groups to preach the religion.
Vast majority of people who are dedicated to Swadhyay are not really dedicated to one person - be it Dada or Didi. They are dedicated to the cause. Cause of justice, humanity, karma yoga, spirituality etc. So even if a person was treated as God if they realize that "Emperor has no clothes" they would suddenly move away from the panth.
I can understand how hard it must be for many of them to see the current controversy. They trusted the leaders and organization. They did not ask questions because of faith, not becaue of stupidity.
So, when the mismanagement, corruption, chori, dadagiri etc becomes clear to them, in a short time the numbers can change.
Let me ask you this, do you think it would be ok for anyone to keep the money collected for earthquake? If any organization did that would you still have full faith in it?
Fall of many great organizations has occured when faithfuls were mistaken as being stupid.
Aage aage dekhiye hota hain kya!



Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 29th, 2006, 06:31am

AS IT IS SAID SATYAMEVA JAYATE (TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS)...... MAY GOD BLESS MR PANKAJ TRIVEDI'S SOUL AND GUJARAT GOVERNMENT HONOUR HIM AS GUJARAT RATNA AWARD. HE IS MY TRUE HERO.... "VIR BANVU CHE MARA VIR BANVU CHE...... DUSHMAN NA VINDHI NAKHEE AA TIR BANVU CHE.... " LOTS OF PEOPLE SING THIS SONG IN SWADHYAY BUT ONLY A NOBLE PERSON LIKE PANKAJ TRIVEDI REALLY PRATICED IT IN HIS LIFE... HE FOUGHT HIS OWN LIKE ARJUN DID IN GITA. THANKS GOD FOR BEING WITH HIM.... WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER HIM.

- REAL SWADHYAYI RAVI PATEL........ RAVI_PATEL_USA@YAHOO.COM
Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 29th, 2006, 06:37am

DEAR AHMEDABADI,

I AM WITH RISHI "PANKAJ TRIVEDI", ALL THE RISHI'S WERE BRAHMIN SO IS HE. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE BROTHER....
MARA BHAI, BHAGWAAN BADHANU BHALU KAREE....
Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 29th, 2006, 06:50am

I THANK VIJAY UNCLE AND OUR CHIEF MINISTER OF GUJARAT MR NARENDRA MODI FOR THIS FAIR TRIAL AND NOT INTERFERING IN BETWEEN POLICE INVESTIGATION. WITHOUT THEIR HELP IT WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN POSSIBLE FOR AHMEDABAD POLICE TO REACH AT THE BASE OF THE TRUTH. EAGER TO HEAR THE NAMES OF PEOPLE INVOLVED..... DIDIJI, AAB KYA HOGA AAPKAhuh KAHA HAIN AAP??

RAVI PATEL
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 29th, 2006, 07:49am

didi will come out one day and she will prove her innocence. Currently she has gone underground and discussing few points with top level people on how to deal with situation.
BTW, she needs some money for her next visit to USA. Anyone ready to contribute? anything is fine.. allah ke naam pe de de baba, swadhyay ke naam pe de de..
kuchh bhi de per de.. woh kya kahte hai
"LAV" SAMARP cry cryAN
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jun 29th, 2006, 08:09am

I have some cash available. If soneone let me know her address, I can wire transfer $$ to her.
Re: "Pankaj Trivedi Scholarship"
Post by An Observer on Jun 29th, 2006, 08:37am

I think every penny from Mrs. Talwalkar should be confiscated and spent towards "Pankaj Trivedi Scholarship" for highr -College- education to the children of those Chamars, Vaghris, Harijans and Machhimars, so that they will not easily fall prey to another "Pandurang".
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 29th, 2006, 08:41am

MR. Makwana,

Why don't you give your every penny to your Didi and then ask for money to tother people.

Make sure you find here address and send money to her.


Re: "Allah ke naam pe de de price"
Post by An Observer on Jun 29th, 2006, 08:47am

"Allah ke naam pe"
Mr. Makwana is absolutely right. Lord Krishna stands for truth, and will not help her. Now she will have to resort to Allah. And by wearing burkhah she will be able to hide her face too.
Aar Paar Magazine gives Swadhyay due coverage
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Murder linked to high level Swadhyayees
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jun 29th, 2006, 11:19am

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It is official!

Ahemadabad Police have declared on TV that murder of Pankajbhai was an organized crime and members of Swadhyay Parivar were involved.

In 'D' gang organized crime hencemen are called 'Bhai' and in 'Didi' gang henchmen are called 'Motabhai'.

'Didi' gang is more dangerous to society as they loot people for money in name of God.

Pankajbhai, this is some closure for people like us who are truly grieved by your untimely death. Full closure will come when punishment is given to everybody involved in your murder.
- Vijay Mehta


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1690383.cms
The Times of India:
AHMEDABAD: Investigations into the murder of a US-based non-resident Indian (NRI) here this month have led police to suspect some members of an influential socio-religious sect were behind the crime, an official said on Thursday.

"It is clear that Pankaj Trivedi's murder was not a case of personal rivalry, but it was an organised act with definite motive," Additional Commissioner of Police PK Jha told reporters.

"The motive behind the murder is clear and we have narrowed down the list of suspects. Several of them are associated with the Swadhyaya Parivar," said Jha.

The Swadhyaya Parivar is a socio-religious movement founded by late Pandurang Shashtri Athavale in the 1980s. It has a wide following in many parts of the country, especially Maharashtra and Gujarat, and abroad.

However, after the death of its founder, the sect has fragmented with a breakaway faction accusing the sect's new chief, Athawale's daughter Jayashree Didi, as she is popularly known, of financial irregularities.

According to the police official, the murder could be the result of the infighting in the sect, as Trivedi was one of those senior Parivar members who had alleged corruption in the sect
The victim had also sought police protection when he visited the country last year, fearing an attack from some members of the sect.

Following his murder in the city June 15, police reopened a case relating to the attack on Vinu Sanchania, a Britain-based NRI and Parivar member, in January 2003 in Jamnagar, about 400 km from here.

A Rajkot-based businessman Manish Savsani was arrested this week in connection with the Jamnagar attack and sent in nine-day police remand.

The attackers in both cases had used baseball bats, leading police to suspect a link between them.

While Jha refused to divulge the names of the suspects, he said: "We are close to making some arrests but we are gathering evidence."

He said police did not have ample evidence against Jayashree Didi but did not rule out the possibility of interrogating her.

Police have announced a reward of Rs.1,00,000 for providing clues to resolve the murder mystery.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MAHESH on Jun 29th, 2006, 11:31am

Any smart person will look back and easily see how big words were used by Pandurang Shashtriji to impress educated mass and bring them in Swadhyay for his own selfish motives.

Some people have already gave a list here and I would like to add few more Buzz words used by Athvale and her daughter to fool people.

BHAV-GEET....to Praise Athvale and his fmaily
BHAV-FERI....It is in fact LAV-FERI
BHAV-VRUDHDHI
BHAV-SAMARPAN....You should read LAV-SAMARPAN
BHAV-NIRZAR
BHAV-PRASANGS..Fabricated stories to play with follower's emotions

ASHMITA-JAGRUTI
HUMAN-UPLIFTMENT
APOURUSH-LAXI
TIRTHRAJ MILAN
ASHITI VANDANA
ARCHIRAYAN

All of these so called Gurus select Gujarat for their "BUSINESS OF SELLING GOD" as we Gujaratis are so BHAVUK (Emotinal), God-loving and trust any one very easily (Naive). On top of these " qualities" we are financially better off than most of the country.

A perfect recipe for Religious con artists............
Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by An Observer on Jun 29th, 2006, 12:18pm

I think if police would effectively find the guilty, and legal system would give severe punishment, it will be a warning signal to other Gurus too.
No spiritual leader, these days, seems to be living a simple honest, and exemplary life.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 29th, 2006, 1:09pm

on Jun 29th, 2006, 09:43am, Guest-Guest wrote:
When i think She is Right now in Pakistn and hiding herself ...because whenever terrorist wink made big big mistake ..they go to pakistan and hide overhtere....

So might be she doing same thing


wow, didi in burkha? She will hide her face for sure but how she will hide her mota sharir (badan) huh
anybody to help Jayshree out? I think she is on a crash diet course for next 1 year so that when she comes out, nobody will recognise her and she will not be caught in murder case.
good news is she was 157 kg and in now she is down to 155kg just in 2 days. grin grin grin


Re: A Jawan on the Front?
Post by An Observer on Jun 29th, 2006, 3:14pm

I heard lately that Pandurang's feet were amputated. Was he a Jawan injured on war-front? Or.......was it God's wish...
verdict.....or grace?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by PIYUSH on Jun 29th, 2006, 3:53pm

Good Point...If a person ran all his life selflessly for other people, GOD is not that cruel or injust to take away legs which ran reluntlessly for human-upliftment.

Another thing is that GOD does not want or approve GADI-PRATHA establishment and hence did not give any kids to Shashtriji.

Well, Shashtriji challanged GOD by adopting his niece so he can establish a GADI-PRATHA.

Its like a game of chess.....Now it was GOD's turn to make move. He did not give any Kids to Didi either.

Now it is Didi's turn to make a move........

And you know what her next move would be. She would pass on the GADI to his nephew who is may be 10 years old now.

They are out there to outsmart GOD.............
Swadhyay in Youtube
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 29th, 2006, 4:05pm

Please click this link and see several news clips of Panjajbhai's Murder and other shenanigans under the name of Swadhyay

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Swadhyay&search_type=&aq=f


Some important links are:

Swadhyay in news. Listen to Pankajbhai as he articulated the fraud and deceit being carried out under the banner of religion.
He may be murdered but his voice will be with us for ever.


Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 1


Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 2


Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 3


Pankaj Trivedi Murder clip no 4


Maheshbhai Shah, a prominent leader and ex swadhyayee speaks about Swadhyay


Maheshbhai Shah and Satish Patel is brutally attacked for speaking up and you hear about all the Swadhyay Gundas who were arrested


Maheshbhai Shah and Satishbhai Patel attack - Vinoo Sachania speaks up and later on he is the victim of Swadhyay Gunda/ Motabhai Manish Savsani of Rajkot


Swadhyay did not even leave Krishna alone by copy writing the idol


S.K. Joshi speaks about Yogeswar copyright mess - This is not business but religion


Raily for getting Krishna out of lock up against Swadhyay - but who is listening?


More news about Yogeswar copyright

Didi's ranting in Connecticut on May 25, 2006
Post by Geust on Jun 29th, 2006, 5:06pm

Look at this... did what she saying now...She is right now NY and so many program going on south india...like dada's " Asti visrjan"...and i am still not understand what she doing here in NY...

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On May 25, 2006 Didi addressed a group of Swadhyayees in Connecticut. Pankajbhai had personally talked to several swadhyayees in this area about the fraud and deceit. Pankajbhai left for India on May 22, 2006. Here are the main points Didi made. Someone actually have a audio recording of her speech and we would greatly appreciate if they can forward us a copy at vijayvip@aol.com.

If a crow is eating the yogart do we simply watch it? We need to scare him away. We believe that whatever Dada says that only happens. Our job is to do whatever Dada believed in. Right now we are working for jungle dwellers. How much work we are doing? No one has any idea. We have built so many houses for those jungle dwellers – even than you guys keep asking questions, your emails keep on coming (note how she uses Dada as the cover and instead of answering the questions about earthquake she talks about the Vanvasi- jungle dwellers). It is easy to send the email or express your concerns if you got the guts come in front of me and ask – I am sitting right here. (notice here she is using the technique to scare the audience into submission. Everyone knew the fate of Maheshbhai, Satishbhai and Vinoo Sachania.)

Anyone who has guts come in front of me and speak. There ten people were asking or here three people asking what kind of baseless allegations are these? If you have questions you ask here. This is the forum. Dada’s work is done in Dada’s style (this is the key Dada had invented the way of talking about how much work was being done without producing any objective data to substantiate it. Basically if he was God you had to take his word for it. Now Dada’s name could be used as cover)

You guys are stuck on earthquake money, earthquake money! Hell with your American money. In our town people are talking that one day this dollar is going to fall. One day one Rupee will be worth 35 dollars. Then come to India and we will give you money. (Wow she is being very generous – offering to give money only problem is only when the ‘one Rupee is worth 35 Dollars!)

Did we ask for money? (in reference to earthquake donations) Who asked you to send for money? We were not starving without your money. Even than you sent us the money (thank God she acknowledges that we did send the money) – Dada sent us the money not the people!!! (see how she converted the money by US Swadhyayees into Dada’s wealth in just one second?) Even then you keep singing the same tune ( what happened to earthquake funds? She is obviously irritated by this same question over and over. Why doesn’t she simply answer it?)

Do you know how much we are working? (If you were working so hard you would not be so fat!!!) Don’t send any cent now. Do you know how many houses we have built? (No, that is what we have been trying to find out for years!) How many engineers are working? One hundred and fifty engineers are coming. They are sending us emails. They built roads, colleges. Those who worked we bow down to them. I have explained to the village people what a big deal it is for us when NRI come and how much they have worked. We have to throw at Gujarat Government’s face that we give so much but Government has no idea. Dada is doing all these but he has never asked you for a penny. Dada has never begged for money – directly or indirectly. (Dada had stolen money by indirectly collecting for social activities)

Wearing nice clothes or asking for money to build temples etc he has never done. He has built relationships and then he has done it. In order to keep Dada’s experiment going we need to shed blood. Is it not a big achievement that in Sabarkantha those jungledwellers now have houses? It is not a great achievement? Even then you keep asking about Earthquake funds?? Take your money. (She just told them to take it, but did not actually give any money!)

(Any one with common sense can see through this rant. She keeps changing the subject from earthquake money to other activities. Keep bringing Dada in the speech to deflect any logical discussion. She is obviously angry and rattled. No wonder when Pankajbhai is murdered 21 days later she is on the phone from London to Amadawad with Bhart Bhatt and others for 30 minutes within minutes of murder.)


Swadhyay pariwar behind this murder
Post by Raju Guide on Jun 29th, 2006, 5:46pm

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Vinoo Sachania's letter to CM part 1
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 29th, 2006, 6:05pm

A detail letter from Vinoo Sachania to the Chief Minister.. must read, explains why he was beaten up - Vijay Mehta

http://news.indiainfo.com/publicopinion/ahmedabad-swadhyay.htm

Namaste
Shri Narendrabhai Modi
Chief Minister of Gujarat

I read the news from 'Sambhaav Metro' about Swadhyay's Bhavnirjar's lease.

The Sambhaav published very good news about Didi's aim. I congratulate the Editor of Sambhaav because people need to dare for this. Behind the curtain Dada,Tai,Didi and her husband are not honest that I strongly believe that.
I must say that this land is not used according its own lease's aim. According to my knowledge Pandurang did not mention anything about the purpose of this lease during the three days Temple Pranparitistha Utsav in April, 1979. You can ask Didi for a video or audio about this program.
Swadhyay's Pandurang, Jayshree Didi, her husband and Tai were and are not honest with Gujarati people. They have made a lot of money and property from Gujarati people and therefore I am requesting you please save our money and property because you are the Soldier of five crores Gujarati people. The poor people need, hospitals, schools, Ahmedabad needs gardens, parks more leisure facilities for children and elderly people as well.
Please do not renew leases again.

A. Brief summary of some of the EVENTS.
In June 2000, Dada declared that; "Though up to now I was saying that Swadhyay work is God's work, I am now asserting that I am the owner of Swadhyay work, this is my ownership." No religious person or saint has ever proclaimed himself to be the owner of any religious or cultural activity which he might have started. In the case of Swadhyay activity, the work was started by Dada but was spread with the time, money and energy of 200,000 workers.

Dada appointed his adopted daughter Dhanashree Talwalkar or Jayshree, known as Didi (his brother's daughter) as the successor to his ownership of Swadhyay activity in June 2000, thus contradicting his own preaching. For many years in his lectures he had condemned the traditional methods of "Gadee Pratha", where a Guru hands over the leadership of his organisation to his son or daughter. In 1991-92, he had declared among his followers that he would not like any person to take over the leadership of Swadhyaya Parivar after him, but it would be guided by Amnaay, (which means constitution) which was prepared by Dada himself. As the sole successor to Swadhyay activity, Didi abrogated the Constitution of Swadhyay.

Two love letters written in 1995-96, first of which was written by one Ajay Joshi (a Swadhyayee closely associated with Didi) to Didi and the other written by Didi to Ajay Joshi became public in December 2000. Both Ajay Joshi and Didi are married (not to each other) for over twenty years. Dada and Didi were flabbergasted and, not knowing what to do, took steps reminiscent of the adage; 'king can do no wrong' and adopted offensive attitude. Didi and Ajay Joshi both admitted that they had written the aforesaid letters but the purpose was to write a drama about the message of Swadhyaya. One can see the letters on the web site; www.swadhyayee.org and decide if they have anything to do with the message of Swadhyaya!

In order to defend Didi, Dada started vilifying senior dedicated workers, who had been with Dada for 30 to 50 years stating that these senior workers had resorted to character assassination of Didi as they wanted power, prestige and money. Since both of them had good control over Swadhyayees, they directly or obliquely instigated their followers to resort to violence, advocated ostracisation of these workers and directed their followers not to read any explanations which they may receive from these workers or others. On such instigation, several people were beaten up in India and were hospitalised and immobilised for months.

On reports being published in Newspapers and Magazines, journalists and editors were threatened of dire consequences through telephone calls. In respect to Chitralekha, a Gujarati weekly, about a dozen suits were filed in different parts of Maharashtra so that the journalists and editors have to run about to defend themselves. Similarly, several false criminal complaints have been filed against former senior swadhyayees in about a dozen courts in Gujarat with a view to harassing them and to force them to appear in different courts in distant places.

Former Chief Justice of Gujarat High Court, B J Diwan gave an interview to a Gujarati Daily, 'Gujarat Samachar' and aired his views on accumulation of wealth in swadhyay trusts and on the manner of working of Didi. He too was summoned by Dada. He was also indirectly threatened.

B. Regarding collection and accumulation of money

Dada and Didi exhorted people to donate a portion of their income for God's work on the basis that when a man toils to earn his livelihood, he is not alone in doing so but God, who resides in him, is also working with him and therefore everyone should share his income with God. The amounts collected in this manner in India would be about Rupees 10 crores a year. The amount spent for God's work by the receiving trusts is only in lakhs per year.

Dada and Didi enthused local people to donate money to cover expenses of local Swadhyay centres and (on the ground that if there is accumulation at each centre there could be bickering amongst local people) required surplus at the end of each year to be donated to Swadhyay trusts designated by them. In this manner, in effect, hundreds of centres in India became collecting centres for donations to Swadhyay activity. Through such collections, Swadhyay trusts got about Rupees 2 crores per year.

By not distributing to farmers interest accrued on their deposits with Madhavi Raksha Sankalpa (MRS), (a trust in which farmers are supposed to deposit Yogeshwar Krushis' earnings,) MRS increased the amount of its corpus from Rs.1000 to about Rs.8 to 10 crores, all of which money truly belongs to poor farmers.

Although farmers and others look after Shreedarshanams and Vrukshamandirs, all the proceeds of these two projects are credited to trust account and no amount is spent for the needy farmers who look after of these two projects.

About Rupees two crores per year were earned by sale of firecrackers during Diwali Festivals. No excise duty, octroi duty, sales tax or income tax is said to be paid in respect to this business.

Artisans, small shopkeepers and farmers are encouraged to give their efficiency (service) to create wealth, all earnings of which are credited to trust account and no amount is known to be spent on needy persons who have earned this income.

While Dada & Didi require every swadhyayee to spend out of his income for travelling, stay and other expenses while on swadhyay work Dada & Didi for themselves and their spouses have been charging such expenses as also medical, telephone and car expenses to Shraddha Trust although in their own right they have annual income of millions of rupees and assets worth crores of rupees.

C. Exaggerations and misguiding statements often made by Dada and Didi and/or Swadhyay workers. The nature and extent of such statements can be gauged from the following:

In respect to application for Templeton Award, Press Notes issued suggest that 100,000 villages in India have been economically and spiritually completely transformed by Swadhyay activity. The reality is that there would not be a single village of this sort. Giving benefit of doubt, if at all there are any such villages these cannot be more than handful against the claim of 100,000.

It was claimed by Swadhyay Parivar that, during January 2001 earthquake in Kutch, it had built 40,000 houses. Later the claim was reduced to building 6000 houses. The reality is that only building material worth about Rs 3 to 4 thousand has been distributed or paid for in respect to 4538 houses at a total cost of about Rs 1.75 to 2 crores. It is believed that the amount collected in USA, Canada and UK in the name of Kutch earthquake relief is likely to be Rs 10 crores.

It was claimed by Dada that he was the only representative of Hindu religion at the Second World Religious Conference held in Japan in 1954 and was twice elected Chairman of the Round Table Conference. The facts are that this was a small conference organised by a society established in the name of ANANAI-KYO, a local Japanese religious organisation where only twenty people from six countries represented their sects. As for his being elected Chairman at the Conference, the official report of the society on the conference suggests that Dada had left Japan before the Round Table Conference had commenced! Dada also claimed that a well-known philosopher called Dr Compton from America was very impressed by him during the conference and invited him to deliver lectures in America offering large sums of money. The official report suggests that no one called Dr Compton attended the conference!

Didi attended a prayer meeting at Vatican in relation to people who lost their lives in the attack on Twin Towers on September 11. It was claimed that she was specially invited for the occasion and was the only representative of Hindu Religion, which indeed she was not. Further, while it was claimed that she got very special treatment from the Pope, in reality she was one of a large number of delegates and had no special status offered to her. Also a word was spread that the Pope had requested her to organise the youth activities of the Catholics but this propaganda was soon withdrawn when a journalist reported that the camera caught Didi dozing when the Pope was delivering his lecture!

Continued part 2

Vinoo Sachania's letter to CM part II
Post by Baburao Shinde on Jun 29th, 2006, 9:55pm

continued Part II
Dada and Didi had encouraged swadhyayees to compose and sing songs apparently in praise of God and Swadhyay work which also praised Dada as an incarnation of God or God himself. Didi has also endeavoured to project Dada as God. Swadhyayees are also made to believe that Didi is a Devi and everyone should accept her as such and must not question anything she says. Dada asked some Swadhyayees to write songs praising Didi!

Vinoo Sachania






Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jun 29th, 2006, 10:10pm


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jun 29th, 2006, 10:34pm

It has been about two years since Shashtriji died and Jayshree is still busy with ASTHI-VISARJAN........THIS IS A BIG JOKE! fOR HOW LONG HER DRAMA OF ASHTI-VISARJAN continue?

I remember Shashtriji saying in one of his pravachan that after a person is dead, his body turns in to phosphorous and ashes and its value is no more than a matchis stick ( to lit a fire)..Then why these big shows years after he died?

Also. what happend to hsi teachings....
" Na Vak Pani Padau, Na Chopasth Payu,
Chidananda Rupam, Shivoham shivoham.........

Talk is cheap.

wink huh huh huh huh huh rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
Why Swadhyay Parivar not speak.....
Post by Software Engineer on Jun 30th, 2006, 12:03am

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Satish Rughani Attack
Post by Software engineer no Dado on Jun 30th, 2006, 12:47am

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Learn how to respect
Post by Software Engineer on Jun 30th, 2006, 04:47am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jun 30th, 2006, 06:32am


Re: Why Swadhyay Parivar not speak.....
Post by Harware Engg on Jun 30th, 2006, 07:51am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Tapori on Jun 30th, 2006, 07:55am


Swadhyay definitely connected to Murder - police
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:06am


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Within 14 days of murder police concluded that it was connected to Swadhyay parivar and there was no personal issue between Pankajbhai and his assailants. Jagrut Swadhyayees take a note, does this sound like philosophical organization? Trivedi's murder does have Parivar link, say police

Attack wasn’t personal, it was due to the tussle between Trivedi and Parivar members, say cops; haven’t ruled out interrogation of Jayshree
FOURTEEN days after NRI Pankaj Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a club in the heart of the city, the police said that the murder was ''not personal" and that it had ''a Swadhyay Parivar link.''

Addressing a press conference, Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said: ''The motive behind Trivedi's murder is clear. The attack on him was not due to personal reasons. It followed a tussle between Trivedi and the members of the Swadhyay Parivar, which was a result of the happenings within the organisation (of which Trivedi was a part since 1972).''

Claiming that the police were close to cracking the case, he said the police had evidence that (as claimed by Trivedi in his letter) there has been misappropriation or misuse of funds within the Parivar.

Trivedi had, in a letter written to the US Secret Service, sought protection for himself and his family, and alleged that he was being targeted by members of the Parivar at the behest of both Jayshree Didi and her husband.

Trivedi had sought protection from members of the Parivar for allegedly speaking out about financial irregularities and misappropriation of funds. He had alleged that crores of rupees collected as donations from US and Britain for rehabilitation of Gujarat earthquake victims had not been utilised properly.

Jayshree Talwalkar is yet to be questioned in connection with the case. "The list of suspects does contain the name of several people associated with Swadhyay Parivar," Jha said, adding that Jayshree was not on the list.

When asked why she had not been quizzed, he said: ''At present, we do not have any evidence to interrogate her. However, we are not ruling out the possibility (of interrogating her).''

''We have narrowed down on the list of suspects who were behind the killing,'' police said.

Till now, only one arrest has been made in connection with the murder: Manish Savshani, the head of Swadhyay Parivar's Rajkot unit, was picked up by Ahmedabad police on Tuesday.

Savshani, also a Swadhyay Parivar member, was arrested after the police reopened the case of the attack on London-based Parivar member Vinu Sanchania in Jamnagar in January 2003.

Police are also investigating the phone records of some of the suspects, Jha said.

During the interrogation of Bharat Bhatt, the head of the Parivar in Ahmedabad, it had come to light that Jayshree had rung him up from London just 30 minutes after Trivedi was killed.

Cellphone records of Ramnik Patel from Veraval, another Swadhyay Parivar member who spoke to Savshani on the night of the murder, are also being probed. ''The call was made at the odd hour of 2.30 in the night. Savshani doesn't have a convincing explanation,'' Jha said.

''Now, it is common knowledge that organised attacks were carried out against Trivedi and his friends and similarly court cases were filed against them in an organised manner," Jha said.

Speaking about the similarities in the Sanchania and the Trivedi case, he said: ''The two cases might be different but are linked by the fact that they were a conspiracy against the victims.'' The victims had alleged misappropriation of funds.

Meanwhile, the investigating officer in the murder case has been changed. Ellisbridge Senior Police Inspector N K Rathod has been replaced by Vidhi Gohil, a traffic department officer who was investigating officer in the 2003 Vinu Sanchania murder case.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:11am

Jayshree's puppets in India is now complaining to the collector for "Harrassment" by media...... grin

These folks are in their fantasy world.......... laugh

Hey kids, go fly a kite instead.............. cheesy


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:22am

We see that Swadhyay image is plummetting very fast. Many centers in UK, USA and India are closing down. What are these people going to do? They are so much used to the Sunday gatherings and religious preachinig that it would be difficult for them to stay home.
Would they all be joining the Swaminarayan Group after all? .
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:33am

on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:22am, Guest-An Observer wrote:
We see that Swadhyay image is plummetting very fast. Many centers in UK, USA and India are closing down. What are these people going to do? They are so much used to the Sunday gatherings and religious preachinig that it would be difficult for them to stay home.
Would they all be joining the Swaminarayan Group after all? .


Just joking here....
I am starting a religious group. They can join me. Details will be given later. But I wil ask for only 5% of thier income. You know, there is lot of competition in every business. I will also offer a free DVD of my pravchan so that they can see it again and again at home.

Jai Makwana baba!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by JANI on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:39am

Don't forget to visit this site for more proof of Jayshree's Gorakh Dhandha.

www.swadhyayee.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP/

Also, I was going thru some messages on

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP/message/1300

and was so disgusted to read this message posted by Jayshree's chamcha...unbelievable.

How dare these goons even talk about "God is within you", " Same God is running your heart", " Ashmita-Jagruti", "Human-Upliftment"?

No remorse, No guilty Conscious.....

These people are seasoned liars and manipulators. This particular puppet Herambuster is acting like Jayshree's Public Relations Officer.

Read this meassge from one of Jayshree's puppet:


--- In SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP@yahoogroups.com, herambuster

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 09:33am

on Jun 29th, 2006, 12:18pm, Guest-An Observer wrote:
I think if police would effectively find the guilty, and legal system would give severe punishment, it will be a warning signal to other Gurus too.
No spiritual leader, these days, seems to be living a simple honest, and exemplary life.


I hope so. Swadhyay has money and power to save thier motabhais and moti leader. Money works in india and unfortunately swadhyay has it (Thanks to all blind follwers including past swadhyayis). You are paying for your mistake. You (all past and present) swadhyayis are responsible for Pankaj Trivedi's death.
Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by the irish robin hood on Jun 30th, 2006, 09:41am

on Jun 30th, 2006, 09:33am, Guest-M Makwana wrote:
. You are paying for your mistake. You (all past and present) swadhyayis are responsible for Pankaj Trivedi's death.


yes just as all cars users are helping destroy the ozone layer. and all men are responsible for rape. Good to see narrow minded thoughts out in the open. Did you operate a gas chamber around 1939 to 1945.
Re: Next Option
Post by An Observer on Jun 30th, 2006, 09:45am

Mr. Irish Robbin Hood- Poster of #129.


We wish people do not use offending language on this site. They should state facts and their honest opinions. Yes, some humours like that of Makwana is admissible.

As you said
"The develpoment of this saga will have ripples that will be felt by Hindu sects all over this world. Wether we want Hinduism to be known for infighting is up to all of us."
I disagree. The ripples will be felt by Jayshree, and the blind followers of Pandurang, like "Devipujak Yuvan" and "Amdavadi" who will naver wake up.
I've heard other people considering options. And in Gujarat and Mumbai Swaminarayan is the only best option. Even here in UK and USA, people who do not know English, Chinmaya Mission is out o fthere reach.
As far as I know, the doors of Swaminarayan Group are open to all including Aghri, Vaghri, Machhi and others.
Use your "vision", my friend.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Damn Sect on Jun 30th, 2006, 09:47am

I believe,

Irish Robin Hood = Herambuster= HIRDIP= Trueswadhyayi1=Nilesh

laugh
What a speech by Didi?
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:01am

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Partially translated....
On 25th May Didi was addressing Swadhyayee in Connecticut. Apprantly Pankajbhai had talked to several of them about the mismanagement of funds and he had left for India just three days before this event. Some of the main things she said ....

We have to watch out, what do we have to watch out? If Kagdo is eating Dahi do we watch it or do we make him fly away?Are we going to allow him to eat Dahi? We believe that whatever Dada has said it will happen. It is our duty to accomplish what Dada believed in. We are currently working with people living in jungle but people do not know. What do we do people do not know. How many houses did we build for them is the questions you guys keep asking. Your e mails do not stop. It is easy to send email and get it off your chest. But if you HAVE GUTS COME IN FRONT OF ME. I AM SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU!
IF ANYONE HAS GUTS THEN COME IN FRONT OF ME AND SPEAK, IF YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO COME AND ASK GO AHEAD AND DO THAT I AM READY TO ANSWER! Dada's work can be done in Dada's way. WHOSOEVER GETS WHATEVER IDEAS... YOU GUYS ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT EARTHQUAKE FUNDS, EARTHQUAKE FUNDS? HELL WITH YOUR AMERICAN MONEY. PEOPLE IN OUR VILLAGES ARE TALKING THAT ONE DAY THIS DOLLAR WILL FALL. ONE DAY ONE RUPEE WILL BE WORTH 35 DOLLARS, THEN YOU COME TO INDIA WE WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU. WHO ASKED YOU TO SEND MONEY FOR EARTHQUAKE. WE ARE NOT STARVING, STILL YOU SENT THE MONEY. DADA HAS SENT THE MONEY NOT PEOPLE, BUT YOU STILL SING THE SAME TUNE. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WE DO? DON'T SEND A SINGLE PENNY. How many engineers are working? 150 engineers are coming. We have built roads, colleges, houses, Those who worked we salute them. ...............
IN ORDER TO SAVE DADA'S EXPERIMENTS WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO SHED THE BLOOD. IS IT NOT A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT THAT WE BUILT HOUSES FOR ABORIGINES NEAR SABARMATI? STILL YOU KEEP ASKING ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE MONEY... TAKE BACK YOUR MONEY!!- Vijay Mehta


Pankaj Bhai Trivedi We salute you. You did pour your blood to save the IDEAS on which DADA first started swadhyay Movement.... We will follow you......

DIDI - Khoon ki Pyasihuh or want to turn swadhyay movement into Al-Qaeda style Movementhuh Didi give me a Break!!! NICE STATEMENT FROM A LEADER OF SO CALLED PEACEFUL MOVEMENT.... DEKHO AAGEE AAGEE HOTA HAIN KYA.

GOD Bless Pankaj bhai's aatma..... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SWADHYAY_PUBLIC_GROUP/message/2349
Within 14 days of murder police concluded that it was connected to Swadhyay parivar and there was no personal issue between Pankajbhai and his assailants. Jagrut Swadhyayees take a note, does this sound like philosophical organization? Trivedi's murder does have Parivar link, say police

Attack wasn’t personal, it was due to the tussle between Trivedi and Parivar members, say cops; haven’t ruled out interrogation of Jayshree
FOURTEEN days after NRI Pankaj Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a club in the heart of the city, the police said that the murder was ''not personal" and that it had ''a Swadhyay Parivar link.''

Addressing a press conference, Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said: ''The motive behind Trivedi's murder is clear. The attack on him was not due to personal reasons. It followed a tussle between Trivedi and the members of the Swadhyay Parivar, which was a result of the happenings within the organisation (of which Trivedi was a part since 1972).''

Claiming that the police were close to cracking the case, he said the police had evidence that (as claimed by Trivedi in his letter) there has been misappropriation or misuse of funds within the Parivar.

Trivedi had, in a letter written to the US Secret Service, sought protection for himself and his family, and alleged that he was being targeted by members of the Parivar at the behest of both Jayshree Didi and her husband.

Trivedi had sought protection from members of the Parivar for allegedly speaking out about financial irregularities and misappropriation of funds. He had alleged that crores of rupees collected as donations from US and Britain for rehabilitation of Gujarat earthquake victims had not been utilised properly.

Jayshree Talwalkar is yet to be questioned in connection with the case. "The list of suspects does contain the name of several people associated with Swadhyay Parivar," Jha said, adding that Jayshree was not on the list.

When asked why she had not been quizzed, he said: ''At present, we do not have any evidence to interrogate her. However, we are not ruling out the possibility (of interrogating her).''

''We have narrowed down on the list of suspects who were behind the killing,'' police said.

Till now, only one arrest has been made in connection with the murder: Manish Savshani, the head of Swadhyay Parivar's Rajkot unit, was picked up by Ahmedabad police on Tuesday.

Savshani, also a Swadhyay Parivar member, was arrested after the police reopened the case of the attack on London-based Parivar member Vinu Sanchania in Jamnagar in January 2003.

Police are also investigating the phone records of some of the suspects, Jha said.

During the interrogation of Bharat Bhatt, the head of the Parivar in Ahmedabad, it had come to light that Jayshree had rung him up from London just 30 minutes after Trivedi was killed.

Cellphone records of Ramnik Patel from Veraval, another Swadhyay Parivar member who spoke to Savshani on the night of the murder, are also being probed. ''The call was made at the odd hour of 2.30 in the night. Savshani doesn't have a convincing explanation,'' Jha said.

''Now, it is common knowledge that organised attacks were carried out against Trivedi and his friends and similarly court cases were filed against them in an organised manner," Jha said.

Speaking about the similarities in the Sanchania and the Trivedi case, he said: ''The two cases might be different but are linked by the fact that they were a conspiracy against the victims.'' The victims had alleged misappropriation of funds.

Meanwhile, the investigating officer in the murder case has been changed. Ellisbridge Senior Police Inspector N K Rathod has been replaced by Vidhi Gohil, a traffic department officer who was investigating officer in the 2003 Vinu Sanchania murder case.

Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:06am

on Jun 30th, 2006, 09:41am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:
yes just as all cars users are helping destroy the ozone layer. and all men are responsible for rape. Good to see narrow minded thoughts out in the open. Did you operate a gas chamber around 1939 to 1945.


Do not misunderstand. Who made dada and didi so big and and who made them god? Who were doing thier marketing? Not me for sure.
Re: Next Option
Post by the irish robin hood on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:08am

Mr. Irish Robbin Hood- Poster of #129.

I've heard other people considering options. And in Gujarat and Mumbai Swaminarayan is the only best option.

thats a pretty bold statement to make. The swamis im sure have their own backyard piled up with dirty linen. No Sect is immune to the lure of money and power. A shameful state of affairs.

The hindi relgion divided falls, but united may have a chance of survival in a fast paced ever changing world. Too many sects to many idiots in control. Dont know what the answer is, but what we have now has flaws, as have been made evident in the last few weeks, regardless of which sect or group was or is involved
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:16am

Thanks, Ravi Patel for posting from Divya Bhaskar.

I heard that on the east coast of USA, some Motabhais are requesting Jayshree to keep quiet -meaning the more you speak, the more you lose- and she is asking them to shut up.
Here, in the post #135, she said "dhool pade tamara Americana paisama. Bhukampna paisanu shun, Lo lai jao"
Is she sincerely ready to return every penny? Does she mean what she speaks?
I have read that Pandurang hardly spoke truth about money.
Re: Gurus Alert !
Post by the irish robin hood on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:19am

Do not misunderstand. Who made dada and didi so big and and who made them god? Who were doing thier marketing? Not me for sure. [/quote]

Well thats a pretty naive and simplistic way of taring people with a very broad brush. The statment holds no merit and is very much what you would expect from a buffon on a gossip show.

Im pretty sure the people on this forum can rise above that and disect the facts from the juvinile fiction and petty mud slinging.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:25am

Swadhyay leaders never speak truth. So do u think Jayshree will return money? Very optimistic! I think she will stay in NY or somewhere in USA for another few months and will come back to India in October/November as winter start in november in USA.

By the way what is Suvrat (little future GOd) doing now a days? Is he staying in India or visiting USA with Jayshree?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:36am

Here, in the post #135, she said "dhool pade tamara Americana paisama. Bhukampna paisanu shun, Lo lai jao"

HOW IS DIDI GOING TO PAY BACK THE AMERICANShuh SHE ALREADY SPEND THE MONEY ON BUILDING NEW HOUSES IN KUTCHhuh HA HA HA HA
IF SHE DOES NOT LIKE AMERICANS WHAT'S SHE STILL DOING HEREhuh ONLY STUPID INDIAN IN AMERICA WHO DONT CARE FOR THEIR OWN DIDI AND BHAI'S GO AFTER THIS STUPID DIDI.....

Is she sincerely ready to return every penny? Does she mean what she speaks? DID DIDI OR HER HUBBY EVER WORKhuh KOI KAR TO KARO MERI DIDI

I have read that Pandurang hardly spoke truth about money. DADA amaara eva sav ne gaame teva, dada nu to ek... SEE MORE ABOUT DADA HERE.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dru8y_Nrpc&search=SWADHYAY

IF YOU HAVE MORE VIDEOS PLEASE EMAIL IT TO ME AT ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KIRIT on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:39am

DADA amaara eva, sauv ne Chettare teva,
dada nu to ek vachan, do bad be bad oh my son.........
rolleyes
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayi on Jun 30th, 2006, 11:10am

Is there any official swadhyay (yuva kendra or motabhai created) website where they allow public discussion, where anyone can go and discusshuh or its only for pre brain washed people doing "didi ki jay" "dada ki jai" like Heard of Sheeps.... who ever becomes LION or knows true meaning of GITA is killedhuh
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KIRIT on Jun 30th, 2006, 11:16am

This is for Jayshree's fanatic blind supporters.......

Khali Aankh Lal Lal

Nathi Dimag Ma Kei Maal

Aevi Raste Razadati Yuvani Dithi

Aaje Swadhyay ni Padti ni nisani dithi..........

shocked


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 12:57pm

Only Eyes are not red, but even baseball bat is red too with people's blood! Jayshree mange khoon.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MANOJ on Jun 30th, 2006, 1:10pm

Papa (Athvale) Kahte the Bada Nam Karegi......

Beti Hamari Aisa Kam Karegi..................

kiss
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30th, 2006, 1:17pm

I can sense that Gujarat Government or their Police is not making any progress or they don't want to make any progress.

I expect everyone to write to Chief Minister Narendra Modi and President of India.

Narendra Modi may have blocked annonymous emils as mine bounced back few times.

Please print this section and mail to Narendra Modi at this address:

Chief Minister's Office

Block No 1, 5th Floor, New Sachivalaya,

Gandhinagar 382 010,

Gujarat, INDIA.

E-mail of Hon'ble Chief Minister: cm@gujaratindia.com

Tel: +91-79-23232611 to 18 (O)

Fax:+91-79-23222101


Dear Narendrabhai,

Hope this email finds you in good spirit.

Before, I start let me just say this, I am also a long time swadhyayi. That doesn't give me any right to defend any organization or people who are suspected for a brutal murder.

If you had not entered politics with Swami Vivekanada's ideals in your heart, I probably won't be writing this email to you.

At present, you are passing through most important, most critical time as a Chief Minister of Gujarat. The whole conutry, not just Gujarat is watching evrey step you take. In fact, the world is eagerly watching
for the outcome of Mr. Pankajbhai Trivedi's murder case. You can write your own destiny by not let any politician interfere with the investigation and prove to the country that you are indeed performing your " RAJDHARMA" like Great King Bharat. Your integrity, your honesty is at stake and this murder case can in fact lead you to the highest position of Prime Minister of India one day.

I am deeply hurt and disturbed by some of the comments your ministers, Mr. Chhatrasinh Mori, Purushottam Rupala etc made in public in favor of
Swadhyay.

I am sure you realize how appropriate it is to openly favor a religious organization suspected in this murder.

How can we Gujaratis then expect a fair and impartial investigation
from this administration? They owe an apology to the people of Gujarat
immedaitely and you need to take strong disciplinary actions against them
to set an example.

These ministers are openly recommending renewing the land on which
Bhav-Nirzar is built. Narendrabhai, we live in 21st century and this type
of favoratism will only guarentee political damage to you personally and
to BJP as a whole.

These ministers are not assets to your administration, they are your
liablity.

If you believe in GOD, which I am sure you do, DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT
RENEWING LEASE to SWADHYAY.

I can not wait until you not only refuse to renew the land, but take
back the land Government of Gujarat has sold to SWADHYAY at half the
market value.

When the whole world is fighting terrorism, Spiritual terrorism has no
place in Gandhiji's Gujarat.

Let me remind you one more thing; any one who will fight for the cause
of getting the murderers punished will probably might meet the same
fate. False criminal cases will also be filed against them which empower
corrupt police officials to arrest and hammer them in lock-ups also make
them vulnerable for fatal assaults at the hands of mobs. The slow
judiciary cost heavy against whom the cases are filed and finish them
financially.

If government of Gujarat had arrested criminals who assualted an N.R.I.
Mr. Vinoobhai Sachania, the life of Mr. Pankajbhai would have been
saved.

Would you let this ugly dance of violence continue? I hope not.

If you do, who will dare to visit Gujarat? Do you think after murder of
an N.R.I, any N.R.I will even think about visiting Gujarat now a days?


One last thing, I do not like your automatic one line reply stating "
Chief Minister have received your email and we acknoledge the receipt."

I expect you to take some time as I did and reply yourself.

Let's do some justice to a brave and noble man who invited his death
for a cause of justice.

A Swadhyayi.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Tandel on Jun 30th, 2006, 1:46pm

Progress in police invesigation is very slow on Pankaj Trivedi's suiside case. our didi will survive once again. Ram rakhe aane kaun chakhe.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30th, 2006, 1:54pm

didi is clean and she is not invloved. All bhai's are not involved too. We are all inocent.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHATT on Jun 30th, 2006, 2:34pm

And Jayshree doesn't have any money either..she is bankrupt, she is a very honest person, very spiritual lady with aclean heart and clear conscious............Ha Ha laugh

Hey guys, are you on drug or somethinghuh??

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by ARJUN on Jun 30th, 2006, 2:42pm

Bhai Tandel and Ramnik,

The game is over now. I wish we can continue fooling swadhyayis and make them believe that she is innocent but it will be extrmely difficult task.

What can I say, more than half of my relatives don't believe me....poor me sad

Pap Taru Parkash Jayshree ben
Adharm Taro Sambhar Re...

Tane Jail man Java Nahi dau...

Aem Arjun kahe chhe ji........

Jetla Matha na Var, O kubja Jayshree
Jetla Matha na var re...

Aetla juthana to me chalavya......

Tara baap ne Avatar to mein banavyo.....
Meetingo man Brainwashing to Mein karyu....

Aem Arjun kahe chhe ji...........

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mahesh on Jun 30th, 2006, 2:53pm

didi travels to USA and UK evey year in 1st class. She uses her own money. she does not take money from swadhyay fund.

She believes in simple life style. I do not know how she makes money for her living or how pandurang was making money but they both did undergo few medical operation in usa. They used thier own money.

They believe in what they say "Mafat nu laish nahi"

Didi is currently workingin NY for her return ticket to India. Lets see when she comes back. Didi, we are waiting for you. Aa grin grin grinp jaldo se baher aao aur darshan de do. Sab swadhyayi kafi ootsuk hai aapke darshan ke liye.

Zalak dikhla ja.... ek baar aa ja aa ja aa ja
Didar ko tarse aankhiya...
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30th, 2006, 2:58pm

Arjunbhai,

We are working so hard in all " PRAYOGS for PAISA" for Didi in Gujarat and sending her Crores of rupees every year, then Why she registered all the TRUSTS including "Sharadhdha" Trust in Maharashtra and not in Gujarat?

Don't you think this is unfair?

I was so much brainwashed that I couldn't even committ a sin of "thinking" and "rationalizing" ....

Thanks to Pankjabhai who gave his life to open up my eyes..........

Long live Pankajbhai...........

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30th, 2006, 2:59pm

I repeat Didi is innocent. cry cry cry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mahadev Mangela on Jun 30th, 2006, 3:06pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060701/guj/gujarat/news1_02.html



didi, u r safe. Please come back. Who will do Asthi visargan of Pandurang? Please come back. yu will not be arrested or questioned.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramnik Patel on Jun 30th, 2006, 3:14pm

Didi is Durga....
Puppets badha Munga.............

Didi is Jagdamba....
Aena Atyacharo van thambhya...............

Didi is Bhavani..............
Paper man Vancho aeni Kahani...........

Didi is Kali.............
Chal Hat samethi Sali....................

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hero on Jun 30th, 2006, 4:00pm


Didi is hathi
Hathi sabka saathi
Re: Manish Savsani in Jail
Post by Secret Satelite on Jun 30th, 2006, 4:43pm


At dinner time the guard brings dinner for Manish, and
starts eating from the plate sitting outside. Manish is watching it helplessly. After finishing 2/3 of it the guard gives it to Manish.

Guard: 'Enjoy your dinner.'
Manish: 'Only this much. What did you consume from it?'
Guard: 'Bhagwan no Bhaag'
Manish: 'But you are not God'
Guard: 'Ahum Brahmasmi".



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30th, 2006, 4:59pm

on Jun 30th, 2006, 4:00pm, Guest-Hero wrote:
Didi is hathi
Hathi sabka saathi


di di amri evi,
hathi na bacha jevi,

di di nu to ek vachn
____________huh?


Fill this blank....
Re: Manish Savsani in Jail
Post by mangela on Jun 30th, 2006, 5:41pm

I
Re: Jagrut Pariwar
Post by An Observer on Jun 30th, 2006, 5:58pm

We accessed to Jagrut Pariwar thru www.swadhyayee.org, and were really surprized and sad to find the rotten times going on internally in Swadhyay Pariwar. We, as common Swadhyayees, were kept in total dark. Pandurang acted virtually like Idi Amin, and Jayshree a senseless, worthless and useless American teenager. Some Motabhais have really swallowed thier pride and had to act as stupid slaves.
Whille reading the whole of it, we strongly feel that it should be published in a book form as soon as possible and distributed to general public. It will generate a solid support from public. Hit when the iron is hot.
With modern digital printing facility, it is fast and easy.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Harish on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:05pm


dollor lav sterling lav bahu lav dhan (money)
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Question on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:06pm

Does any1 know where is Jaydhree hiding? She has gone quiet.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:08pm

R
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by ARJUN on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:15pm

Jayshree Uvach:

Aapne aa karya ( meaning cheating) Dada ae bataveli padhdhat pramane (total dictatorship) Ja Karvanu Chhe.

Aapne aa karya ne biji pedhi ( two generations) sudhi lae jabau chhe ( So that her nephew Suvrat can become GADIPATI).

Why Athvale did not emphasize on Yogas and mediatation? These are in fact TRUE ways to achieve GOD.

Now you see, he was only interested in creating his image as an "AVATAR" ( Thanks to his chamchas) and collect money from poor followers.

Guru thai nathi re besi rahevu ARJUN mare...
AVATAR thai ne chhe pujavu............



wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MAHADEV MANGELA on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:17pm

Jayshree is so desparate to continue " BAP NO DHANDHO" which is "PAP NO DHANDHO"..........

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:18pm

That is why I say that you all swadhyayis (present and past) are responsible for Pankaj's death.
Now it is too late.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by R Singh on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:19pm

I
Was Shivkumar Joshi also a victim of Swadhyay?
Post by Vijay Chohan on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:39pm

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Babulnath Mandir's trustee and manager of mandir had died under very suspicious circumstances, There were lot of rumors about cause of his death being brian hemmorhage or heart attack or something else.
One person on condition of not being quoted said that Shivkumar was right hand man for Didi. And his death did not occur due to natural causes. But Gaodevi police officer Parulker went to the location and decided that death was due to natural causes. After that his body was creamated at Chandanwadi Samshan. Many members of Parivar and trusteees of mandir were present to pay last respect.

Shivkumar Joshi was coming out of bathroom after taking a shower and it was said that he slipped and fell which caused brain hemmorhage. He started bleeding fron nose and became unconscious.

Two three years ago when Hawala fraud came in news it was being traced to Babulnath Tekri. At that time Shivkumar was very much worried and he was suffering from blood pressure. The rumor in temple is that his death had to do with Hawala fraud and Swadhyay Pariwar.

For some reasong there was no post mortem examination of his body.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Vijay Chohan on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:40pm

Article in Gujarati.. It is suspected that within a short time one of the member of Amadawad police department was the one to inform Didi about the murder. As it turns out later this news will turn out to be correct...Ghanshyam Chudasama, didi's body guard in Gujarat and asst to police chief in Allisbridge area was that man.

http://bombaysamachar.com/new/details.asp?newsid=32056#headlines

amdavaad police informed harramkhor jayshree
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by nikita on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:49pm


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ram Kothari on Jun 30th, 2006, 6:51pm

I
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:24pm

Dear Nikita,

Here is what you said "one last question, I know that swadhyay scandal first came out in 2001 or so. What this past swadhyayis were doing till that time? They were not oppsosing it because they were part of swadhyay and they were toohaving some vested interest? "

According to my understanding there are good people in swadhyay movement, we cannot blame all swadhyayi for the mistake of their leader. There are people who joined swadhyay for upliftment of Human race, bringing people closer etc..... who ever tried to say TRUTH was enemy of swadhyay, thus enemy of GOD.... Now, as of today we all know the truth about swadhyay wrong doing, how they played with human emotions.... within my own family there are like 30-40 members who dont wanna discuss this with me. I ask why?? they dont have any answer for it .... so we cannot blame every swadhyayi for what their leaders have done. If you know or have any friends or relatives going to swadhyay... just ask them this simple questions and try to get their reaction, post it here!

Q : why did DADA who always spoke about SWADHYAY (self-study) and simple life, could not evaluate himself or his bhagwaan within nor could he leave MOH (affection) for her daghter?? When we already were doing good with "jay shree krishna", what was the reason to introduce "jay yogeshwar" which all swadhyayee say is the KRISHNA BHAGWAN.

Q. If DIDI was not after money then why dint she give back the Swadhyay leased land at Bhavnirjer, Gujarat Ahmedabad to Government once the leased expired in 2002??

Q. "Yogeshwar-Krushi" what happaned to the land that was taken from poor villagers and Adivasis in the name of "Bhagwaan no Bhag"??

Q. what kind of VIR are you if you cannot fight against injustice?? As explained in GITA Arjun fought his own when Shree Krishna explained him that they were not in the side of truth, evey though they were most respected amoung all like Bhishma, Kripacharya and Guru Dron. God gave us this example in GITA because he knew that there will be a day when a person has to fight against his own....

Q. Ask them to let you know one thing that DADA taught them that their Parents, Teachers or Grand Parent dint tell them.

Q. Is swadhyay learing Slokas in GITA or singing them when you get togeatherhuh According to me swadhyay is "Beyond Gita", we all know since childhood what Gita is ... what Ramayana is... but now whathuh Do we have guts to hear truth, evaluate truth, and act accordingly!

Q. Is there any Swadhyay official website or yuva kendra discussion group where the REAL swadhyayi could come and express his thinkinghuh or only choosen invited?? what a joke.

I REQUEST EVERYONE READING THIS DISCUSSION TO ASK THIS QUESTION TO SO CALLED SWADHYAYI, WHO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND TRY TO CONVERT YOU INTO IT. I AM BORN SWADHYAYI, AND I'LL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE TRUTH, I KNOW I WONT HAVE 100000 OF PEOPLE WITH ME AS ARJUN DINT TOO IN MAHABHARATA BUT MY GOD WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY KRISHNA WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY YOGESHWAR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME.

DIL NI WAATO.... SEE VIDEO HERE... AND LET THE WORLD KNOW THE TRUTH....

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NILESH on Jun 30th, 2006, 7:31pm

Nikita,

Let me try to answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge and ability.

When Dada was alive. almost everyone respected him and no one even doubted his motives or intentions. After all he was by far much smarter and cunning than the followers.

He disguised followers by pretending that he didn't care for money. He also cleverly hide his intentions of GADI-PRATHA establishment until the year 2001-2002. Dada's few handful puppets though did started to project her but the mass were unaware of his intentions.

When he officially established GADI-PRATHA, many of his close disciples were disapponied as Dada always maintained that after him, AMNAI, the constitution of swadhyay will be followed and not one person will control the wealth and power.

When he announced that Didi will take over, these intelligent and alert people started to ask themselves, " May be there is lot more than we think". So they started digging deeper and were shocked to find out about crores of rupees and many other things.

Even some of his close disciples were aware of Dada's weakness of running after name and fame but they were not allowed to question anything.

If you have watched MAHABHARAT serial, you may know that DHRUTRASHTRA, father of DURYODHAN did the same thing, he was blind for his love for his son, PUTRA-MOHA.
Dada's actions are no different than DHRUTRASHTRA.

To the bset of my knowledge, Dada did not work in his life, neither did Didi.

When you ask any of the KHOTABHAIS, all you will hear that her in-laws are cery wealthy but will never give you any specific details about her husband and how he became so wealthy.

If poor swadhyayis are paying from their hard earned money when they go for LAV-FERI (marketing trips) , is Didi paying from her own money for the worldwide trips few times a year in FIRST-CLASS, especially when it is very hot in summer in India?

The bottom line is that She is a dictator like Sadam Hussein, has no spiritual inclination what so ever. Her knowledge on Vedas and Upnishads is also extremely shallow. Watch her lecture sometime and you will be convinced that she is not only rude and aroogant but she is stupid too.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jun 30th, 2006, 9:08pm

'Rakshak is Bhakshak'

Where will this end?

We can not trust Religious leaders(Didi and Dada)

We can not trust Police ( Ahemadabad Police own man Ghanshyamsinh is involved in murder)

We can not trust Ruling Party( Their own MLA, MP, Minister openly supports Didi, the killer)

Do Narendra Modi have guts to find the truth and punish Didi or may be Didi have his skeletons in her cupboard?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by AJAY JOSHI on Jun 30th, 2006, 9:39pm

would you please leave my darling Jayshree alonehuhhuh

angry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by AMIT on Jun 30th, 2006, 9:42pm

Three monkeys of swadhyay:

First monkey with eyes closed.............I will not see TRUTH

Second monkey with lips sealed.......I will not speak TRUTH

Third monkey with ears closed............I will not hear TRUTH

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mrs Sawnani on Jun 30th, 2006, 10:58pm

Manish Sawnani is innocent. He is not well .help him...
cry cry cry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayee on Jun 30th, 2006, 11:41pm

Forth Monkey is DIDI ..........see what she says..

Do bad.
Re: 'Fargati' from Swadhyaya
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 1st, 2006, 05:11am

The first time I became convinced of the involvement of the Swadhyayis in the senseless and brutal murder of Shri Pankajbhai Trivedi, I took removed the pictures of Pandurang Shastri from the walls of my home.

If the responsible person/s are not punished in near future, I am going to remove the set of other three pictures.

I vow to dedicate myself to educate the each and every person I have known through Swadhyay about the misdeeds of Pandurang Shastri 'aani' company. In fact, I already converted one family. We are now doing our own 'Bhavferi'.

You can also do likewise, if you like.

You can equip yourself by understanding the philosophy of Ayn Rand. It would do you good if you read the monologue of Howard Rourke where he describes the spirit of man in The Fountainhead. The long narrative of John Galt in Atlas Shrugged would aid you in fighting the established evils of the society: government and organized religion.




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Didi on Jul 1st, 2006, 05:27am

Mara Vhala Bhaio,

Tame Ghanu badhun kahyun.

Aapghaat karvaanaaj vichaaro aavechhe.

Koi dhaankniman paani bhari ne aape to hamnaaj hun aapghaat kari lavun. Have hun saav tevi naffat nathi rahi. Saachuj maanjo.

Didi
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 1st, 2006, 06:09am

on Jun 30th, 2006, 08:22am, Guest-An Observer wrote:
We see that Swadhyay image is plummetting very fast. Many centers in UK, USA and India are closing down. What are these people going to do? They are so much used to the Sunday gatherings and religious preachinig that it would be difficult for them to stay home.
Would they all be joining the Swaminarayan Group after all? .


Go One, Go All!!!!!

www.oshoworld.com

Every discourse is free. Hindi or English, take your pick. Pandurang would seem so 'fikka'.

Instead of Srimad Bhagwad Gita, true Swadhyayi needs to understand Ashtavakra Gita.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by amita on Jul 1st, 2006, 08:30am

on Jun 30th, 2006, 11:41pm, Guest-swadhyayee wrote:
Forth Monkey is DIDI ..........see what she says..

Do bad.


This is an insult. You have insulted a monkey here. Arrre bhai, woh bhi to ek prani hai. Baksh to monkey ko.
Jayshree is rakshah (a big fat rakshah)
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 1st, 2006, 08:50am

I was surprized to read the love-letters of Jayshree and Ajay- both married persons...but more so ...I was appalled to read the mentioning of .........some Kusumben and some Mudrika .....with Pandurang!
Is it true? If so, that is the last stroke on the camel's back.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by kalia on Jul 1st, 2006, 08:55am

Too early to celebrate.
Witch Jayshree is still free and not in india. She has money and power and she can do anything.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Houston Calling on Jul 1st, 2006, 09:33am

Does anyone know if fat lady had an account in SWISS BANK?

We need to find out where she is hiding money and her big fat body.

I believe her puppets are also getting a cut otherwise who would defend her after this murder and try to brainwash Bhola Gujaratis that She is still ADARNIYA and INNOCENT?

ADARNIYA........MY FOOT.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 1st, 2006, 09:42am


Didi's right hand man Shivkumar Joshi suddenly died in very strange and suspicious circumstances per media reports. His name was apperaed in HAVALA Scandle few years ago and was liivng under stress.
Read Akial News.

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This is just a tip of an iceburg..............

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Secret Satelite on Jul 1st, 2006, 10:13am

Does anyone know if there is any " Ajay Joshi " for this "Neel" on the east coast of USA?
Dada's health in final years
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1st, 2006, 11:23am

What I think people are neglecting to take into consideration is Dada's overall health and mental status in the last few years of his life.....

When I met him in person about a year before he died, I was shocked to see how senile and child like he had become. He would start crying at the drop of a hat, was drooling over himself, spitting up food, etc...

My theory is that Dada did try to pre-emptively protect the reputation of swadhyay by creating the "Amnai (sp?)". I think that Didi had a very strong hand in keeping him alive through his illnesses. That way, she could manipulate him in his childlike existence into doing and saying whatever she planted into his head...

Some posters here are mad that he did nothing to stop Didi.....I don't think he had the mental capacity for it...

Does anyone else out there have any experiences with Dada during his last few years of his life? If so, please speak up.....

I think that is most likely explanation. In his last few years he may not have been all there and that may be the reason, Didi and company may have been able to hijack the organization. With Dada commanding so much respect inner group may have kept quiet with dire consequences. If Dada wanted to use this for his personal wealth hewould not have drafted constitution and put honest people in charge of trusts. The change in direction may coincide with failing health. I wish other swadhyayee would speak up and tell us what they know. - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1st, 2006, 11:28am

Also, it is quite obvious that one person is posting using a bunch of different names.

You're not fooling anyone, so please stop the charade, and post what you want to say in one message.

Your identity is protected, so say what you want.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Good Gujarati on Jul 1st, 2006, 11:37am

Dear Mr Modi,

Please see this video and be your own Judge.

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

I have been in USA for last 11 years and been watching and hearing a lot good about u and your work. I have been involved with Swadhyay Movement since 1990 and now after death of Respected Pankajbhai Trivedi I know the truth of DADA and DIDI. I was always in wrong impression that the Land at at Bhavnirjer was owned by dadaji its the same with yogeshwar Krishi scandal. Even if DIDI does not be proven guilty in Mr Pankaj Trivedi's murder (and am sure she will not 100%) as I see everyone quite including you speaking TRUTH. Dont forget ALL eyes are on you ..... open your GITA and read it again.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:14pm


Mr. Unbelievable,

Let me keep the record staright...Why Dada did not forcefully implement Swadhyay's ACHARSAMHITA, AMNAI which he crafted with the help of other dedicated swadhyayis?

Why did he hide his affection, love for his daughter and his intentions of GADI-PRATHA establishment?

Weren't crores of rupees accumulated and so many trusts
created while he was healthy and young?

It is very likely that in very early days, I am talking about 50s, his intention was not to cheat people and make money but as money started coming in, as a human being, he could not resist the temptation of money.

Dada was well aware that his daughter had no credentials to lead a spiritual organization, then why did he handover the GADI to her?

Dada's weakness was to run after name and fame...check out his records from TIRTHRAJ-MILAN to ASHITI-VANDANA.

Dada was one of the most hypocratic and selfish religious leader in recent history.



sad
Rs 200 thousand crore taken from Gujarat
Post by Guest on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:23pm

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According to a secret report to Government of Gujarat 200 thousand crore Rupees from Gujarat has been transferred to Mumbai trusts. According to Bharat Bhatt (Motabhai of Gujarat who was arrested for Pankajbhai's Murder) Didi can get anything done from Narendrabhai Modi.
Ghanshyam Didi's muscle man
Post by M Makwana on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:45pm

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How did virus enter the Swadhyay Program
Post by Niraj on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:47pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Didi on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:49pm

cryHave tame badha mane maf kari do,,,,,, huh hu have tame ke chho tem karish....ane aa swadhyay nu to mane khabr nathi ke su thase pan je chale chhe te ne chalva do


tamari pyari
DIDI
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 1st, 2006, 3:29pm

on Jul 1st, 2006, 12:47pm, Guest-Niraj wrote:
It is easy to say but difficult yo believe on what u say. Look at the history of swadhyay. Whose photo is next to lord krishna? It is bcos Pandu wanted to become god. It was a long term planning by smart pandu


Do not defend pandurang.
1> Why he was travelling to usa almost every year? Whose money was used? Who paid for his medical operations in usa?
2> Why he did not oppose his bday celebrations throught his life? How much money was spent on thses celebration?
There r many questions... please answer this 2 b4 defending him? He was not a saint. He liked name and fame.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 1st, 2006, 4:32pm

Dear Mr. Makwana,

Who defends Pandurang? The really knowledgable Motabhais and inner circle people are keeping away from this website. They are either afraid to speak , or are ordered by Jayshree to keep quiet.
On attending last Sunday's Swadhyay we found that they are acting as if nothing has happened.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by AJAY JOSHI on Jul 1st, 2006, 4:56pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1st, 2006, 5:06pm

Makwana,

I'm not saying Dada was immune from the corruption of power money and fame......but all allegations from both sides must be balanced by facts....we have to remember that we don't know the behind the scene activities behind stuff we eventually see.

my problem with the current swadhyay administration is that the facts are being suppressed by circular logic and in Pankaj Trivedi and Mr. Sachania's case, physical intimidation.

Dada, in the last years of his life, was not capable of counting to 10, let alone enforcing any of his previous decisions.

I want to know to what extent his and Didi's interaction was w/ Ramdas, Hemraj, et al in the final years. I wish one of these guys would write a memoir already (or maybe they have, but are waiting to publish it for fear of death).

To answer one of your questions, the wealthier motabhais of the USA apparently covered his medical expenses (my friend's father is a big motabhai). I don't know the answer to the second question.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by True Swadhyayi on Jul 1st, 2006, 5:09pm

By now we all know that Personal Assistant to Investigating police officer A.K.Jadeja, Mr. Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama has close contacts with Swadhyayi Motabhais and had made several phone calls to them and also to Didi right after Pankjabhai’s murder. Gujarat Government or their Police is not making any progress or they don't want to make any progress. So many contradictory statements had been issued in last 14 days.

Now police is stating that Manish Savsani is not proving any helpful info. So what is next? No evidences found and case closedhuhhuhhuh

If all other people listed by Pankajbhai were called for interrogation, why not Jayshree? Come on guys, this tells it all.





Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1st, 2006, 5:41pm

Nirmal Nayano thi Nirakha jo
Gundi Santayi Didi name.........

rolleyes
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1st, 2006, 8:05pm

Didi could not become a Mother so decided to become a "Godmother"...........

shocked
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 1st, 2006, 8:29pm

Suresh (or whatever your name is)...

Let's try to keep the conversation on this thread a little more of an intellectual discussion of facts....

while some of your posts are quite humorous, it tends to take away from the seriousness of the subject matter...what do you think Vijay?
I agree it it tempting to get into name calling or making fun of people. But, let us remember Pankaj Trivedi sacrificed his life for exposing corruption and sending a wake up call to others to ask for accountibility. By making false allegation or making fun of Didi etc we may be turning people away. I wish some great swadhyayee would join the discussion and enlighten us. - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M makwana on Jul 1st, 2006, 8:53pm

My 3rd question is why his photo was kept next to GOD? This was done when he was in good health. Why did not he oppose?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Babulnath Temple on Jul 1st, 2006, 8:57pm

Why Tai disappeared from Mumbai on Sunday after death of Shivkumar Joshi on Friday?

Did she fear needle of suspicion would come on her?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1st, 2006, 8:58pm

Dear Unbelievable,

The FACTS surrounding Pankajbhai's brutal murder, doesn't require a rocket-scientist to figure out who is behind this crime.

You talk about intellectual discussion, I have done lot more than that in last 15 days for your information. I have written to Chief Minister, Prime Minister, President of India and many other authorities and made several phone calls as well. Have you done anything to bring killers to Justice?

Again, after working so hard, we need some humor once in a while. Hope you understand that.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SURESH on Jul 1st, 2006, 9:10pm

This swadhyay started as "God's work" but transformed into "God Mother's work".....

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Jayshree will never be caught on Jul 2nd, 2006, 05:54am

Possible Reasons:

1. She helped BJP Politicians laundered money using her trusts.
2. She is giving regular payments to BJP Government. She can do all her crimes freely in Gujarat but never in Maharashtra.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:15am

I talked to some of my friends and relatives and this is what they have to say about Dadaji "He started this movement for upliftmet of poor and farmers. When he started he use to walk miles and sometimes on bicycle in order to bring lots of people into the movement as he himself did not have enough money to commute"....... This proves that dadaji was from a middle class family like us (I mean like a nonmal middle class indian) other then teaching he did not do any real work in his life. suppose he made at most Rs 100,000 a year and worked as a teacher for say 10 years... and not spend a single paisa on himsef as he was very simple living, he would have saved Rs 10,00,000...... any thing more then that with this family is CHORI from people ......

If they really and only cared for poor and farmers ... what and why do they take frequent trips to Foreign countries?? Is swadhyay doing anything right now helping poor farmers who are dying in Gujarat and Mahashtrahuh As far as my conscious effort my GOD within tells me to support and do SWADHYAY with and for Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, they have all the wealth in this world but want to spend rest of life helping poor and diseased in poor country. I consider them Real Swadhyayi and my Guru then GURU"S who instead of helping poors in india spend 40% of their time in UK or USA. what do you thinkhuh Swadhyay is not about how much you know GITA and the verses, its about Beyond GITA. What if Arjun never faught against injustice after hearing "Gita sandesh" from Krishna bhagwaanhuh Open your eyes and listen to your heart as it is said Bhagwaan is within you not in the temple, time has come to comunicate with your bhagwaan and tell the truth.

I'm hurting so deeply,
Doesn't anybody understand?
Out of all these people,
Not a one will hold my hand.

Doesn't anybody care
About how much I've lost?
Is anybody out there--
Someone that I can trust?

My heart is loudly crying,
But no one can hear,
'Cause no one is trying
To remove what I fear.

They turn their faces away,
Trying not to see my pain.
There is so much they could say,
But they always refrain.

Can anybody hear me?
Does anyone know
A place where I'll be free?
A refuge where I can go?

Take me away from all the sorrow
To a quiet placee--
A refuge until tomorrow
I can rest in God's embrace.

Jai shree Krishna and Jay Yogeshwar...

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You have Broken My trust on Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:29am

Dear Didi,

How can I trust someone if that someone has broken my trust,
My heart is empty,
Its cold as ice,
As it reach to break,
It leaks out of water,
That water drips and slips away,
That trust,
That moment,
All within those you have broken,
I may not trust you or your friends but that don’t mean we can’t be friends,
Just friends without that trust,
You have to work your trust with me,
You have to make me understand why should I ever trust you again,
You have to repair that broken trust,
You have to work hard,
That don’t mean be hateful towards me,
Just show me that I can trust you once more.

Is this what every TRUE Swadhyayi is asking himself?


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Right Man on Jul 2nd, 2006, 06:37am

She hasn't broke your trust....
She did it with all swdhyai people....Because of i am also swadhyayi from usa...
You right

Luchhi didi
Swadhyay behind the murder
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 2nd, 2006, 07:11am

Dear,

Police Commisoner P K Jha said "swadhyay Parivar is after Killing of Pankaj Bhai Trivedi", I hope he is not transfered from this case or given presure from politicians .... God Give him strength to fight for Truth..
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Motabhai on Jul 2nd, 2006, 07:44am

Come on Guys! Don't despair.

Writng & reading all these negetive comments will not bring "RAM RAJYA" - the ultimate dream of Dada.

Look, what did the Western Govt said when so many innocent civilains died in the present Iraq war. They claimed as :"collatral damage", meaning some one has to die for a good cause.

To achieve this dream Swadhaya, the politicians, the police, other religious Orgs and the remaining institutions will have to work together and work hard to make this dream a reality and come true.

Didi is working towards this dream.

So guys, stop wasting your time on your computers and go out and campaing for the common goal of "RAM RAJYA".

One day, 'Our Bharat', 'your Bharat', 'my Bharat' will be be philosophically & religiously prosperous.

There will be full employment therefore no shortage of Roti (must read Keyns theory on Economics), no shortage of housing, no shortage of clothes and Mera Desh Bharat will be a crime free society. This is the sort of intellectual society we are trying to create therefore do not lament on loss of one colleteral damage.

Think positive and be positive.

Dad has always said not be be intelectually bankcrupt!


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Narayan on Jul 2nd, 2006, 08:20am

Respone to motabhai
Dear Bhai (Gunda) First tell us where is jayshree? Then do your bakwaas. Jayshree is a witch and hiding in usa.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by simple man on Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:29am

Did any one paid any attention to three phone numbers from USA published in Gujarati newspapers which Dhanshree used to Call Bharat Bhatt and others? From the area code you can tell that one was from Virginia, one was from California and one was from Chicago area.

These phone numbers MUST be cell numbers as she called using these three numbers in an hour time frame and it is impossible to reach California from Virginia in an hour.

Meaning these three persons were with Dhanshree when the calls were made.

Any comments?

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gujju Boy on Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:39am

This is from an email I received few months back from someone. I do not know this person, but it really made me think and realize how people had been cheated in the name of God.

Why emphasis ONLY ON MARKETING and not on YOGA, meditation and concentration?

Swadhyaees are told that Bhakti-feri is for their own development and is not meant for marketing of Swadhyay, then:

1) Why only cities or towns with significant Indian (and mainly Gujarati) population are identified and targeted for Bhakti-feri by motabhais?

2) Why visit the same towns, same people over and over again until swadhyay KENDRA is established?

3) Marketing is the clear goal here then why lie to the followers?

4) This is not God’s work but it is Sampraday’s Marketing. 5) Don’t you agree that you should be honest to your fellow swadhyaees upfront ABOUT YOUR INTENTION OF MARKETING?

6) Why followers are not allowed to select the towns for bhaktiferi?

7) Why very small and remote towns with only two or three Indian families are not RANDOMLY selected for Bhakti-feri? Why not visit Non-Hindu families?

8) Do you continue to go to see Bhagvan Na Deekra in these areas regularly, once Swadhyay Kendra is established?

9) Is beating up swadhyayis and likely killing per media reports, results of " Human-Upliftment", "Ashmita-Jagruti", "Bhav-Vrudhdhi" and "Intellectual love towards God and his creations like Pankajbhai Trivedi?

Please share your views on this topic.


cry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Independent Thinker on Jul 2nd, 2006, 09:58am

Guet Motabhai wrote,


"Writng & reading all these negetive comments will not bring "RAM RAJYA" - the ultimate dream of Dada."

Oh puppetbhai a.k.a Khotabhai, the beating and killing will only bring " GUNDA-RAJ" a.k.a "Didi-Raj".

"Look, what did the Western Govt said when so many innocent civilains died in the present Iraq war. They claimed as :"collatral damage", meaning some one has to die for a good cause."

Indirect admission of Pankajbhai's murder? Thank you Khotabhai.

"To achieve this dream Swadhaya, the politicians, the police, other religious Orgs and the remaining institutions will have to work together and work hard to make this dream a reality and come true."

Aren't they already working together to save Dhanshree? Ministers like Chhatrasinh Mori, Purushottam Rupala, Bharat Pandya, even a P.A. Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama to investigating police officer, A.K. Jadea?

"Didi is working towards this dream."

Not only is she working but she has achieved her goal of becoming Billionarie by cheating blind followers like yourself.

"One day, 'Our Bharat', 'your Bharat', 'my Bharat' will be be philosophically & religiously prosperous."

A SOUND PHILOSOPHY MUST BE INTERNANLY COHERENT and should not reamin a mere Eutopian Concept.

Hollow philosophy is no help to poor people who lost their land, money to the wicked duo of " Father and daughter".
Yes, it is true that both Father and daughter have become FINANCIALLY PROSEPOROUS.....ONLY DHAN-VRUDHDHI and NO BHAV-VRUDHDHI.

"There will be full employment therefore no shortage of Roti (must read Keyns theory on Economics), no shortage of housing, no shortage of clothes and Mera Desh Bharat will be a crime free society. This is the sort of intellectual society we are trying to create therefore do not lament on loss of one colleteral damage."

When Didi is taking away people's land, money their self-esteem, their Ashmita, how dare you make such comment?

"Think positive and be positive."

You should be first honest to yourself, admit that you are braindead, blind supporter of a sinner and need to join a mental instituion immediately.

I have yet to meet someone who is brainwashed and realize and admit that he is brianwashed.

Interestingly, all of the brainwashed people vigorously defend their manipulators.

"Dada has always said not be be intelectually bankcrupt."

Are you listening to him? If you were, you won't be making such false and silly remarks here.

Remember, A BHAKT should be DAKSHA per Dada and apparantly, you are completely ignoring your Guru's advice.

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by tinu on Jul 2nd, 2006, 10:07am

Jayshree is smat and current gone underground. She knows there is trouble for her right now and wisely decided to stay quiet. Smat move!

Swadhyay has become politics now.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by CULT TEST on Jul 2nd, 2006, 10:13am

The Cult Test
Questions 1 to 100
by A. Orange

1. The Guru is always right.
2. You are always wrong.
3. No Exit.
5. Cult-speak.
6. Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
7. Irrationality.
8. Suspension of disbelief.
9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions...
10. Personal attacks on critics.
11. Insistence that the cult is THE ONLY WAY.
12. The cult and its members are special.
13. Induction of guilt, and the use of guilt to manipulate cult members.
14. Unquestionable Dogma, Sacred Science, and Infallible Ideology.
15. Indoctrination of members.
16. Appeals to "holy" or "wise" authorities.
17. Instant Community.
18. Instant Intimacy.
19. Surrender To The Cult.
20. Giggly wonderfulness and starry-eyed faith.
21. Personal testimonies of earlier converts.
22. The cult is self-absorbed.
23. Dual Purposes, Hidden Agendas, and Ulterior Motives.
24. Aggressive Recruiting.
25. Deceptive Recruiting.
26. No Humor.
27. You Can't Tell The Truth.
28. Cloning -- You become a clone of the cult leader or other elder cult members.
29. You must change your beliefs to conform to the group's beliefs.
30. The End Justifies The Means.
31. Dishonesty, Deceit, Denial, Falsification, and Rewriting History.
32. Different Levels of Truth.
33. Newcomers can't think right.
34. The Cult Implants Phobias.
35. The Cult is Money-Grubbing.
36. Confession Sessions.
37. A System of Punishments and Rewards.
38. An Impossible Superhuman Model of Perfection.
39. Mentoring.
40. Intrusiveness.
41. Disturbed Guru, Mentally Ill Leader.
42. Disturbed Members, Mentally Ill Followers.
43. Create a sense of powerlessness, covert fear, guilt, and dependency.
44. Dispensed existence
45. Ideology Over Experience, Observation, and Logic
46. Keep them unaware that there is an agenda to change them
47. Thought-Stopping Language. Thought-terminating clichés and slogans.
48. Mystical Manipulation
49. The guru or the group demands ultra-loyalty and total committment.
50. Demands for Total Faith and Total Trust
51. Members Get No Respect. They Get Abused.
52. Inconsistency. Contradictory Messages
53. Hierarchical, Authoritarian Power Structure, and Social Castes
54. Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists
55. Belief equals truth
56. Use of double-binds
57. The cult leader is not held accountable for his actions.
58. Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around.
59. The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.
60. Dispensed truth and social definition of reality
61. The Guru Is Extra-Special.
62. Flexible, shifting morality
63. Separatism
64. Inability to tolerate criticism
65. A Charismatic Leader
66. Calls to Obliterate Self
67. Don't Trust Your Own Mind.
68. Don't Feel Your Feelings.
69. The cult takes over the individual's decision-making process.
70. You Owe The Group.
71. We Have The Panacea.
72. Progressive Indoctrination and Progressive Commitments
73. Magical, Mystical, Unexplainable Workings
74. Trance-Inducing Practices
75. New Identity -- Redefinition of Self -- Revision of Personal History
76. Membership Rivalry
77. True Believers
78. Scapegoating and Excommunication
79. Promised Powers or Knowledge
80. It's a con. You don't get the promised goodies.
81. Hypocrisy
82. Denial of the truth. Reversal of reality. Rationalization and Denial.
83. Seeing Through Tinted Lenses
84. You can't make it without the cult.
85. Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider
86. The cult wants to own you.
87. Channelling or other occult, unchallengeable, sources of information.
88. They Make You Dependent On The Group.
89. Demands For Compliance With The Group
90. Newcomers Need Fixing.
91. Use of the Cognitive Dissonance Technique.
92. Grandiose existence. Bombastic, Grandiose Claims.
93. Black And White Thinking
94. The use of heavy-duty mind control and rapid conversion techniques.
95. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who leaves the cult.
96. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who criticizes the cult.
97. Appropriation of all of the members' worldly wealth.
98. Making cult members work long hours for free.
99. Total immersion and total isolation.

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Post by PLEASE ACT FAST on Jul 2nd, 2006, 10:15am

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Post by Laxman on Jul 2nd, 2006, 1:01pm

Response to Guju boy
your question are difficylt to reply. Nobody can reply to them. PLease ask easy questions and withing swadhyay bounday. Please praise pandurang and JAyshree in youe post. It is grin grin grin grin grin grin grinMUST
Attempt to intimidate the media
Post by GUEST on Jul 2nd, 2006, 1:19pm

Read today's Akila for news. Some suspicious people visited Chitralekha offices and their movements were so suspicious that Chitralekha complained to Home Minister of Gujarat and Police protection was given to Chitralekha's Rajkot, Ahmedabad andd Baroda offices. (Does this sound like religious or spiritual organization?)

Read Akila.

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Post by Ramdin on Jul 2nd, 2006, 5:12pm

Jayshree has reached India!
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Post by Unbelievable on Jul 2nd, 2006, 5:23pm

Now let's see how justice pans out...

Remember all, no one is above their own karma. You can run from it, but will never escape it. What goes around, comes around.

If Didi is behind this, she will have to pay in her own way, either this lifetime or next.


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Post by tinu on Jul 2nd, 2006, 7:02pm


Response to
"Remember all, no one is above their own karma. You can run from it, but will never escape it. What goes around, comes around.

If Didi is behind this, she will have to pay in her own way, either this lifetime or next."

Who has seen next life man? Justice has to be done in this life only. Lets see.
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Post by Justice ASAP on Jul 2nd, 2006, 7:48pm

It all depends upon the police dept. and Narendrabhai.
The culprits-attackers of Akshardham got the verdict after 4 years. Hope we do not have to wait so long.
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Post by Guest on Jul 2nd, 2006, 9:23pm

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 03:28am

on Jul 2nd, 2006, 9:23pm, Guest-Guest wrote:
If all other people listed by Pankajbhai were called for interrogation, why not Jayshree? Come on guys, this tells it all.




Can you fix your record please. it keeps repeating itself and is getting old. cry
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 03:31am

Response to simple man
Yes you are a simple man. If people were convicted on phone records. Well then what a terrible world we all live in. Cold hard facts are what bring criminals to justice. Not gossip. Gossip only tars people. At the moment much of what is being reported is gossip.



Well nothing has happened ? has it, well not untill the law carry out their investigation and find the four men or women responsible.

So why would you expect people to make a statement or raise an issue when there is not one to raise. Let the police do their job.
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 03:34am

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 04:45am

the land which is given for the use of krushi. Is this land then dontated to swads in legal terms to Swads over a period of time. If so is there any proof of this. As this raises an interesting point in regards to intentions.

As an orgainzation they would have no need for this land to be put into their names if the intentions were noble and honest.

Are the Crops sold on for profits at market prices or below market prices. Who pays for the seeds and tools and the cost of distribtuion ?

Do they sell crops that yeild the most amount of profits or just those that are benifical ?.


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Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3rd, 2006, 04:49am

So, the Swadhyayis now keep their psuedo names matching the terrorists. The author of the last 4 messages is one such.

There is a news item in Gujarat Samachar on line.

Read it.

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060703/guj/gujarat/news3.html

True, terrorists do not have religion or family.

Swadhyay today has nothing to do with religion and it is a group of like minded slaves of one couple and an adopted daughter. ( a couple who borrows a child does ot make a family)

Raju Guide
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Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3rd, 2006, 05:08am

See?

Read Amdavad na Samachar.

Some corrupt Khotabhai must have given this information to Sandesh that she is in Rameshwaram.

http://www.sandesh.com/

But Divya Bhaskar has different information.

http://www.indiapress.org/gen/news.php/_Divya_Bhaskar/400x60/0

Swadhyayi slaves also do not anything to do with Truth.
And, the first Bodh Vachan a child learns in a typical Swadhyay Kendra is "Satyam Vad"

Are they so gutless that they cannot reveal where she is hiding?

Raju Guide
Didi Enjoying London Vacation while Gunda in Jail
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 05:24am

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Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3rd, 2006, 05:35am

There is ample amount of information in the newspapers and tabloids as what low levels the leadership of the Swadhyais has achieved.

Some achievement!

Raju
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Post by Your Loving DiDi on Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:19am

Dear Swadhyayi,

I’m sorry for not being there
I’m sorry for never seeming to care
I’m sorry if you thought I never loved you
For that is surely not true
I’m sorry for always stealing your land
I’m sorry for not believing in you
I’m sorry that we never talked
It seemed as if we were just a couple of strangers wouldn’t you say?
I’m sorry for being hard on you even when you Know the Truth
I’m sorry for running away when I saw you crying
I’m sorry for leaving you in the dark
Without a light to find your way
I’m sorry for all that I’ve done to you
I’m sorry for never seeing you through
I’m sorry for putting you down
This is for everything I’ve done to you
I'm sorry you never knew the truth and the truth is I cheated You.

I'M SORRY FOR TEACHING YOU VERSES FROM GITA,
BUT NEVER LET THEM PASS BEYOND MY EGO.

DONT READ NEWS BECAUSE THEY LIE.

YOUR TRUE DIDI.

by Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

We have been listning GITA SANDESH and chanting its VERSES for almost 5000-6000 years, now is the time to think BEYOND GITA and start MAHABHARAT against the CORRUPTS.
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:25am

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Post by Vijay Sharma on Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:36am

Dear Ravi bhai,

Thanks for the poem... here are my view on it

Dear Swadhyayi,

I’m sorry for not being there (am enjoying in UK and USA)
I’m sorry for never seeming to care (you care more for your dada's aasti visarjan)
I’m sorry if you thought I never loved you
For that is surely not true (I love $$ more)
I’m sorry for always stealing your land (bhavnirzer and yogeshwar krishi)
I’m sorry for not believing in you
I’m sorry that we never talked (you only listen to my talk, no questions asked)
It seemed as if we were just a couple of strangers wouldn’t you say? (how many of you know didi personally??)
I’m sorry for being hard on you even when you Know the Truth (innocent until proven guilty by law, i got enough money to but law)
I’m sorry for running away when I saw you crying
I’m sorry for leaving you in the dark (having fun in posh banglows in USA)
Without a light to find your way
I’m sorry for all that I’ve done to you
I’m sorry for never seeing you through
I’m sorry for putting you down
This is for everything I’ve done to you
I'm sorry you never knew the truth and the truth is I always cheated You.

I'M SORRY FOR TEACHING YOU VERSES FROM GITA,
BUT NEVER LET THEM PASS BEYOND MY EGO. (never let any swadhyayi express himself freely, always rejected any emails or good ideas that were not of any good for me and my REAL Family)

DONT READ NEWS BECAUSE THEY LIE. (only read when they talk good about swadhyay parivar)

YOUR TRUE DIDI.

-Vijay Sharma, Mumbai, India.

Actions are stronger then words, so OH SWADHYAYI look at the actions not the words of our corrupted so called leaders.
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:08am


Pankajbhai and his family would be so proud of the above. Its what they would have wanted. rolleyes
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Post by Kalpesh on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:22am

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Post by Laxman on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:28am

Swadhyay leaders have shown thier true colors. Manish Swanani is in jail. Lets see what will happen next? Jayshree has also reached India and so far kept quiet. Only one dog is barking here to defend swadhyay.
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:38am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:28am, Guest-Laxman wrote:
Swadhyay leaders have shown thier true colors. Manish Swanani is in jail. Lets see what will happen next? Jayshree has also reached India and so far kept quiet. Only one dog is barking here to defend swadhyay.


Do you even understand how the law works huh?? If guilty I hope the people who did this hang. But its innocent untill proven guilty in a court of law.

Unless you want to live like animals with no civil sense. That may be the case with some of the jumped up trigger happy people on this forum. Who seem to have forgotn that a person has died. And are simply using his death to further an agenda.

You might as well piss on his ashes with that klind of behaviour. Im feel sorry for his family if they come across people like that.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramesh on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:39am

Why his Pandurang's photo is kept next to GOD? This was done when he was in good health. Why did not he oppose?
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:42am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:35am, Guest-Narayan wrote:
Nobody from swadhyay will answer these questions. They are difficult to answer. Not even Irish robin hood will answer this questions. But he will come up with something stupid and irrelevant.


Im not swadhyay, I would never wear the badge of an orginzed religion.

Listen pal, why dont you walk into your nearest kendra on sunday and ask these questions. Get someone to tape you and see what happens
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:44am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:39am, Guest-Ramesh wrote:
Why his Pandurang's photo is kept next to GOD? This was done when he was in good health. Why did not he oppose?


I keep my wifes photo next to god on my desk. she doesnt oppose. So whats your problem. Whose photos do you keep next to you ?
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Post by Narayan on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:47am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:42am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:
Im not swadhyay, I would never wear the badge of an orginzed religion.

Listen pal, why dont you walk into your nearest kendra on sunday and ask these questions. Get someone to tape you and see what happens


right, and then I will be killed like pankaj trivedi... grin grin grin
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:49am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:47am, Guest-Narayan wrote:
right, and then I will be killed like pankaj trivedi... grin grin grin


Well then that would be a good thing, as it will prove that you are right.

But go ahead ask those questions and see what sort of answers you get? What would happen. Im sure there will be some sort of response. It would help clear up a lot of matters and help things move further on.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Narayan on Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:54am

Could you answer those questions? Let me know. Please say yes or no. If you can not answer them, please do not bother to reply. I will ask some1 else from swadhyay.
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Post by An Observer on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:04am


Mr. Irish Robin Hood,
You said that
"Im not swadhyay, I would never wear the badge of an orginzed religion.
Listen pal, why dont you walk into your nearest kendra on sunday and ask these questions. Get someone to tape you and see what happens "

If U R not a swadhyayee, that means you have not been cheated, nor robbed by our "lady Rbbing Hood" , or have never felt helplessness in front of a stupid mass. You hve not felt the real heat. My dear friend, I do not know on what ground you are arguing and wasting time.
We know Jayshree and Pandurang very well.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:10am

looking for impartial jusitce is never a waste of time not when a person has died and left a berverd family.

It may be what you think buddy, but not me.

as I have stated let justice be done though the heavens fall.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Narayan on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:14am

Jayshree's trip to USA and UK every year.
We all know that she travels in 1st class. Who pay for her expense?

Jayshree believes in "Mafat nu laish nahi"
It menas she pays for these trips from her pocket and she does not have any source of income except for swadhyay business.

This is another question for swadhyayis. Lets see.
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:17am

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Post by Narayan on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:20am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:17am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:
you really should stop asking stupid questions and use that brain which I know you have, casue you seem quite clever and ask some proper questions.

A Child could answer your question.

Dear robin bhai, Please answer my question if you know the answer else please do not post your reply. This is my request dear.... (I know you do not have answer but you wil reply here for sure)
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Post by Ajay D on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:21am

Has any one seen my Darling "Neel" lately?

I haven't seen her or talked to her since June 14th and I can not live without her as you all know.

Please let me know if you guys know her where abouts as we need her for our street play " Tumhari Amrita" ...
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Post by aarpar on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:22am

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20245/pdf/c1.pdf
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Post by Saptak on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:23am

Jayshree is so desparate to continue " BAP NO DHANDHO" which is "PAP NO DHANDHO"..........


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Post by Jha on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:27am

Dear,

Police Commisoner P K Jha said "swadhyay Parivar is after Killing of Pankaj Bhai Trivedi", I hope he is not transfered from this case or given presure from politicians .... God Give him strength to fight for Truth..

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060702/guj/gujarat/news1_02.html


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Post by Dhanshree on Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:28am

Mara Vhala Bhaio,

Tame Ghanu badhun kahyun.

Aapghaat karvaanaaj vichaaro aavechhe.

Koi dhaankniman paani bhari ne aape to hamnaaj hun aapghaat kari lavun. Have hun saav tevi naffat nathi rahi. Saachuj maanjo.

Didi
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Post by Subbu on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:04am

Jayshree is in Tamilnadu for throwing pandurang's bones in water
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Post by Robin Hoods Sister on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:11am

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:11am

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:04am, Guest-Subbu wrote:
Jayshree is in Tamilnadu for throwing pandurang's bones in water


well some of the dogs on this group will go chasing them then
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Post by Shiv on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:15am

It seems dogs also refused to eat them as they 2 years old.
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Post by In GOD We Trust on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:18am

Q 1: why did DADA who always spoke about SWADHYAY (self-study) and simple life, could not evaluate himself or his bhagwaan within nor could he leave MOH (affection) for his daghter?? When we already were doing good with "jay shree krishna", what was the reason to introduce "jay yogeshwar" which all swadhyayee say is the KRISHNA BHAGWAN. Is Swadhyay all about Branding??

BHAV-GEET....to Praise Athvale and his fmaily

BHAV-FERI....what bhav did you show at this feri?? hera-feri!!

BHAV-VRUDHDHI

BHAV-SAMARPAN....samarpan your MOH (affection)

BHAV-NIRZAR... scheme for free government land worth RS 600-800 Crore

BHAV-PRASANGS..Fabricated stories to play with follower's emotions

SWADHYAY-KRISHI... free land from poor farmers and adivasi's

Q 2. If DIDI was not after money then why dint she give back the Swadhyay leased land at Bhavnirjer, Gujarat Ahmedabad to Government once the leased expired in 2002?? Whats she doing in USA and UK, if you want to help poor (villagers and adivasis) look for them were they are. Get a free SWADHYAY lesson from Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Q 3. "Yogeshwar-Krushi" what happaned to the land that was taken from poor villagers and Adivasis in the name of "Bhagwaan no Bhag"??

Q 4. what kind of VIR are you if you cannot fight against injustice?? As explained in GITA Arjun fought his own when Shree Krishna explained him that they were not in the side of truth, evey though they were most respected amoung all like Bhishma, Kripacharya and Guru Dron. God gave us this example in GITA because he knew that there will be a day when a person has to fight against his own, some whom he trusted and respected a lot....

Q 5. Ask them to let you know one thing that DADA taught them that their Parents, Teachers or Grand Parent dint tell them to do. Did they respected or listened to them, even a 10th standard sanskrit books says the same thing ....

Q 6. Is learning Slokas from GITA or singing them when you get togeather called swadhyay movement? According to me swadhyay is "Beyond Gita", we all know since childhood what Gita is ... what Ramayana is... but now what! Do we have guts to hear truth, evaluate truth, and act accordingly! Dont follow someone blindy or u'll also end up in Afghanistan or Iraq God have given u heart and Brain use it sometimes.

Q 7. Is there any Swadhyay official website or yuva kendra discussion group where a REAL swadhyayi could come and express his thinking or only choosen invited?? what a joke!

I REQUEST EVERYONE READING THIS DISCUSSION TO ASK THIS QUESTION TO SO CALLED SWADHYAYI, WHO COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND TRY TO CONVERT YOU INTO IT. I AM BORN SWADHYAYI, AND I'LL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR THE TRUTH, I KNOW I WONT HAVE 100000 OF PEOPLE WITH ME AS ARJUN DINT TOO IN MAHABHARATA BUT MY GOD WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY KRISHNA WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME, MY YOGESHWAR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH ME.


My Answer to all your questions : In GOD we trust, My god is my stupid DIDI.... I'll only listen to her you asshole
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Post by Weight watcher on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:22am

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Post by motabhai on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:30am

Q 2. If DIDI was not after money then why dint she give back the Swadhyay leased land at Bhavnirjer, Gujarat Ahmedabad to Government once the leased expired in 2002?? Whats she doing in USA and UK, if you want to help poor (villagers and adivasis) look for them were they are. Get a free SWADHYAY lesson from Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

Answer: Let me try. This belong to swadhyay. Takat hoy to aavo ane lai jao Bhave nirzer. It belongs to Jayshree. Amari Didi . Do not take panga with D gang , otherwise you know what happened to Pankaj T.

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Post by vasant shah on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:35am

we are not taught to answer your qestions in swadhyay, nor to ask any questions. what we are taught is to do karma.
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Post by Mangela on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:45am

good news for swadhyay.
Manish swanani case is still going on and nothing has come out so far. Lets celebrate our victory. Long live Manish S. You are our hero. Police caught even when you were not well and finally you have won. satya ni jeet thay chhe. Pankaj T. paid for his mistakes of talking against swadhyay. We swadhyay believe in piece .. I mean peace.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Didi on Jul 3rd, 2006, 11:52am

I will be 50 this 12th July. please celebrate my bday and swadhyay will sponser all expense. Please do celebrate my birthday.

kiss
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Motabhai on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:06pm

Readers,

This time please do not get electronically (oops! emotionally) charged up - sorry no Physics language!

Just step back and allow your mind to ponder!

I accept that our DIDI is spiritually bankrupct (like Duryodhna!) but not intelectually.

Therefore, I urge you to support her judgement, trust her guts & work hard with her to spread the message of Lord Krishna.

Its all about spiritual development - 'vikas'.

I can assure you: " you are in the right company".

What happened to those who supported Duryodhan 5000yrs back? They all perished, including my favourite charecter: Lord Bhisma.

This is mordern times and not classical period.

Today you support our DID and will sail through your "BHAVSAGAR".

Then, this was Lord Krishna's promise to Arjuna, I promise you this today.




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:09pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:14pm

Pandit Ko Purab (East) Bhalo,

Gyani (Spiritually Intelligent) Ko Punjab,

Karm Kandi (doing rituals) ko Dakhkhan (South) Bhalo,

Dhongi (Hypocrates) Ko GUJARAT............

cry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh from Singapore on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:18pm

I want to state the most basic of all facts about
brainwashing:

IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MAN, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BRAINWASHED AND REALIZED, OR BELIEVED, THAT HE HAD BEEN BRAINWASHED....

Those who have been brainwashed will usually passionately defend their manipulators, claiming they have simply been "shown the light" . . .or have been transformed in miraculous ways...

By Dick Sutphen.


rolleyes
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:18pm

Nothing wrong done by didi so far. God bless her.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh From Singapore on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:19pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by weight watcher on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:21pm

Jayshree will be 50 this year. He next goal is to bring down her weight to 50 Kg (are baba weight of entire body and not the weight of gold ornaments she wears)

anybody to help her?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:22pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:23pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Jan Mohmaad on Jul 3rd, 2006, 12:32pm

swadhyay is the best thing happened to hindu religion. In our islam also we believe in killing ppl (those who oppose) and swadhyay doing the same thing. Swadhyay following foot steps of Islam

Pankaj T. deserved what he got.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gaand Sungar on Jul 3rd, 2006, 1:13pm

Islam is the ONLY way!
So is Judaism!
And Roman Catholicism too!
And Mormonism
And Swami Narayan!!

Who cares if a religion claims they are the only way. Do what makes you happy. If people are happy in the daily activities behind Swadhyay, who cares if Didi flies first class (can you imagine her squeezing her "assets" into a coach seat? Have pity people)

If every religion whose leadership committed sin had to shut down, we wouldn't have many religions now, would we?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 1:16pm

The swadhyay Parivar's motto is the brotherhood of all under the fatherhood of God. who is godhuh Didi and dada. If Didi is evil dadaji was her father.

satyameva jayate ..... Am sorry to say such things about you dadaji, but pray god to rest your soul in peace. Ma dadaji ni hamesha respect kari hati, pun aamni chokri aa sabit kari didhu ka aa logo paisa na bhukya hata.... dadaji na marya 2 varas thai gaya ana haji hasti visarjan nu natakhuh?? shu aa che gita no sandesh??
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 1:21pm

"Ever since the Parivar's early days, 60 years ago, Dadaji had taken an ayachak vrata, the "not-asking vow," that he would never solicit any money, directly or indirectly, from any individual, institution or government. He has not only maintained it for himself, but his millions of followers have kept the same principle,"

wow dadaji wow.... this was your ayachak vratahuh fooling farmers and adivasis and who leased the Bhavnarjer landhuh was that dadaji doing murti stapna at bhavnarjer? or his clone.

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 1:35pm

I have got 1000's of emails from people like me. Here is what One of the national-level coordinators of swadhyay movement—who, again, did not want to be named—told me, "We do not classify ourselves as a religious organization. The Parivar (literally, "family") is based on the concept of an extended family, and we are bound by a spirit of selfless love and service to fellow humans, like a family of millions. It is God-centered work, and work for others is rendered in the spirit of service to the God. We have no titles, no hierarchy, but only responsibility of coordination." Although led by principles culled from Upanishads and the Gita, they do not restrict themselves to Hindus.


I have asked swadhyayi's and got the sam answer.... but if its not a religious organization whats GOD (yai yogeshwar) and GITA doing there?? My answer is the "FRAME is SAME only the picture changed."
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by samir patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 1:47pm

Dear Ravi..."the FRAME is SAME only the picture changed." can you explain in detail
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by good karma on Jul 3rd, 2006, 1:51pm

who says Pankaj Trivedi is killedhuh Tis is start not the end.

Firstly, Pankaj Trivedi can not die! he was having great soul, very strong soul and he will remain with us until we will not get Swadhyay down.

Unfortunately, yes!! swadhyay is Pandurang Shashtri's own money making business. There is nothing wrong, if you spend everything after Lord Krishna but Pandurang had done business on Shri Krishna's name for own profit. All swadhyayees are equal Paapi as Pandurang.

Pandurang Shashtri, so called Dada explained Shri Bhagwat Gita to everyone badly, he changed the whole meaning of it. In Bhagwat Gita, it is said that 'you can not even think to be like Supreme Lord Shri Krishna, and that is biggest offense.' Pandurang Shashtri made his place with supreme lord and all blind followers accepted him with supreme personallity. Remember, everyone is equal Akarmas.

Pandurang started with the help of God and then he became God. so ridiculous.

Please read Shri Bhagwat Gita - As It is, I have learned a lot out of it. Don't spend your human life, be Shri Krishna consious. Don't run after Yogas or Yoga masters like Ramdev as I know what is Ashtang Yoga. I can say one thing, all time best Yogi is Shri Sankat Mochan Hanuman Ji. Now, think why?

Lord Krishna told that there is nothing wrong to kill all 6 kinds of atatayees, Swadhyay is one of them. KILL THEM.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 2:09pm

..."the FRAME is SAME only the picture changed." ....

Pandurang started with the help of God and then he became God. so ridiculous.

This is what i meant, when I was a kid my grandmother use to bring different bagwaans photo and place them on the wall. You name any bhagwaan ad you will him/her in her collection. 21 years ago an new picture was added to the collection, was called yogeshwar.. what i saw was as time passed the picture was given different make over. The 1st photo we received was of yogeshwar bhagwaan, shanker bhagwaan, parvat and ganesh. After few years instead of yogeshwar bhagwaan we got picture of our DADAJI... and lately a photo frame that says "My family" with one slot empty to place your family picture there... other 3 slots are pre-occupied by Didi, dadaji and tai. Maan na Maan main tera Mehmaan.... long live dadaji.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MAHADEV MAGELA on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:03pm

Gujarat police is looking for me and had sent my pictures to Tamilnadu and Kerala Government to arrest me and send me back to Ahmedabad.

Please help me..hide me...I can not grow a long beard in a day..I need a plastic surgery ASAP.

Read AKILA....

http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html

wink
Police Raid Gunda Swadhyayee's Homes
Post by MAHESH on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:06pm

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Gujarat police is questioning everyone who filed false defamation cases agaianst Pankajbhai and also those who were suspected for attacking other swadhyayis like Vinoo Sachania, Satish Rughani, etc.

Interesting two of them went in hiding and when police reached their houses, they were locked and these people are no where to be found.

Read Gujarat Samachar..

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060704/guj/gujarat/news1.html

shocked
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:12pm

"The Truth has Emerged"

"Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again, - -
The eternal years of God are hers;
But Error, wounded, writhes in pain,
And dies among his worshippers."

Truth has a way of asserting itself despite all attempts to
obscure it. Distortion only serves to derail it for a time. No
matter to what lengths we humans may go to obfuscate facts or
delude our fellows, truth has a way of squeezing
out through the cracks, eventually.

But the danger is that at some point it may no longer matter. The
danger is that damage is done before the truth is widely realized.
The reality is that, sometimes, it is easier to ignore
uncomfortable facts and go along with whatever distortion is
currently in vogue. We see a lot of this today in every religion and
every sampradyas. I see a lot of it -- more than I would ever have
believed -- in this hateful organization, so called PARIVAR.

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Krishna in a copy right mess
Post by Tradmark of GOD Scandle on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:19pm


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Local resident (motabhai) filed a complaint that Yogeshwar was being installed at a local temple in violation of the Copyright Act.
Krishna idol in copyright mess
Replica of ‘original’ Krishna idol in police custody for violating copyright, probe under way

Posted online: Monday, December 06, 2004 at 0136 hours IST

JALGAON, DECEMBER 5: According to Hindu mythology, Lord Krishna was born in a prison but divine powers facilitated his liberation. But that was satyug. In post-WTO kalyug, an idol of Krishna is in police custody for the past four months. Reason: It has violated the Copyright Act.

The three-feet-high idol was confiscated by the Jilhapeth police in Jalgaon on August 18 after a local resident filed a complaint that it was being installed at a local temple in violation of the Copyright Act.

According to the FIR filed by Kishor Pralhad Khadse, the Sadvichar Darshan Trust, an outfit of the Swadhyay Parivar, has a copyright over the idol’s design and the trustee of a local temple, Sudhakar Kashinath Joshi, had made a copy.

‘‘The idol looks similar to that of the copyrighted idol, but we need opinions from experts on whether it is an exact replica of the original,’’ inspector D.S. Gadekar from Jilhapeth police station said. ‘‘We are awaiting technical advice and investigating the case. No person has been arrested, but a case registered under Sections 14, 45, 48, 51 and 63 of the Copyright Act is being investigated.’’

The accused in the case was working with the Swadhyay Parivar, which has a copyright over the idols’s design, before he decided to go his own way. He is now a trustee of the Sant Dyaneshwar Mandir Trust at Pratap Nagar, Jalgaon and has filed an application to demand the idol back for installation at the temple. The case is pending in court and is scheduled for hearing on January 31, 2005.

‘‘Our trust resolved to establish an idol of Yogeshwar ShriKrishna in our temple way back in 1978 but there was delay for want of funds,’’ Joshi said. ‘‘Our idol looks similar to the original idol at Swadhyay Parivar’s Tatvadnyan Vidhyapeeth but there are vital dissimilarities — like our idol has the right foot forward, is standing on a lotus and has one peathingy
feather in the crown, while the original idol has the left foot forward, is standing on the globe and sports three peathingy
feathers.’’

DSP Pravin Salunke said the matter had also been referred to some experts in Delhi for opinion on the alleged violation of the Act. He said a chargesheet would be submitted to the court after the conclusion of investigations.
Dadaji always said "There is no GOD, I have created one to fool you all"


God Bless dadaji's soul........... God is he in heaven or Hell??

Jay Yogeshwar...

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by JITU on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:19pm

True terminilogy for SWADHYAY:

D.A.Y = Didi’s Army of Yesmen;

BSK(Bal Sanskar Kendra) = Baby Sitting Kendra.

BAHV-VRUDHDHI = DHAN VRUDHDHI for Athvale family

BHAV-SAMARPAN = LAV- SAMARPAN

BHAV-FERI = LAV-FERI

ACHAR SAMHITA = LACHAR SAMHITA

JAY YOGESHWAR = JAY BHOGESHWAR

GEETA-TRAI = DIDI-TRAI

MANUSHYA GAURAV DIN = MANUSHYA ADHAPATAN DIN

and last but not the least....

MAR MARTO JA, HADKA BHANGTO JA..VAKILO TAIYAR CHHE.


rolleyes
Mahadev Mangle - Gunda chief
Post by Export me to jail on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:31pm

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Gujarat Police looking for

"Mahadev Mangela"

Mahadev Mangela once settled all disputes with his fist. Today, he says: "From wanting to hurt, I've turned to healing. Now I realize the other is not the other, he is my brother." The vehicle for his transformation is the Swadhyaya philosophy, which preaches the concept of the God within as the source of kinship between all mankind.

Through this noble philosophy, Mahadevbhai has flowered into an orator, poet, administrator and leader. He is also a key lieutenant of Swadhyaya. However, the most revolutionary change for this son of illiterate fisher folk has been his conversion to a priest, well versed with the Vedic rites for marriage, birth and death.

On the threshold of his first bhakti pheri (devotional tour) to South Africa, he says: "Dadaji (founder Pandurang S. Athawale) made me export quality."

Mahadev Mangela Export quality product from Dadaji.

http://www.lifepositive.com/Mind/personal-growth/transformation/transformation2-article.asp#man

Mahadev Mangela, former strongman speaks to Suma Varughese

Nature has wrought Mahadev Mangela in imposing lines. His burly physique, well-cut features, massive dome of the head are stamped with power, resolute will, and driving purpose. A man destined to make a mark, for good or for bad. In Mangela's case, both. A former dada (strongman) who settled all disputes with his fist, today, at the age of 45 he is a mellow blend of strength and gentleness.

"From wanting to hurt or hit, I have turned to healing. I never used to love people, but now I realize that the other is not other, he is my brother. Divine brother." On his arrival in Mumbai, India, in 1975 for a job as a bank clerk, Mangela came into contact with the group and its founder, Pandurang Shastri Athavale. Behind him lay a backdrop of conflict and the assertion of might.

Born to a family of illiterate fisherfolk in Udwada, India, Mangela financed his way through school by working in a hotel at a monthly salary of Rs 5 and a bonus of Rs7. His standard response to injustice and exploitation of others was to resort to violence. As an ace cricketer, unfavourable calls on the field would provoke him to uproot the stumps and pulverize the umpire. His teachers and later, lecturers, were also victims of this rough and ready logic, as indeed, were his eight brothers.

"I would beat up anyone who said anything against my mother," he laughs, white teeth gleaming against his brown face. Come election time, the village head would be who Mahadevbhai (as he is known) insisted upon, and woe betide the opponents. "I was so arrogant! People sighed with relief when I left," he recalls. "Dadaji (as Athavale is customarily known) has Karl Marx ki kranti (Karl Marx's revolution) and Himalayan shanti (peace)," he rhapsodises.

In a nutshell, the philosophy has converted the Bhagavad Gita into a socially transforming force by using its concept of an indwelling God to weld relationships between people regardless of caste, community and class. The presence of divinity is cited as cause for respect for the self and for others. This redemptive, noble philosophy has motivated 80,000 villages to live in peace and harmony, and has transformed millions of individuals, among whom Mahadevbhai is a striking example. "I changed from bill ki baat to dil ki baat (money-centered to heart-centered)," he says.

His modest one-bed-room apartment in the the distant Mumbai suburb of Vasai, where he lives with his wife, Kusumbhai, and daughter, Gita is clean and neat, but austerely furnished. "Earlier, I was ambitious. I too aspired for a fan, a sofa set. Through Dadaji, I discovered that the meaning of Home is harmony; and that O is for obedience, not ornaments, M is for man, not money, E is for emotion, not ego. Today my priorities have changed. For money, man converts his blood into water, and then uses that money to reconvert it into blood!"

Mahadevbhai has flowered into an orator, poet, administrator and leader. He heads the fishing community, whose membership runs into lakhs, and which forms one of the dominant groups in the movement. However, the most revolutionary of all changes has been his conversion to a priest—well-versed with the Vedic rites for marriage, birth and death.

Arguing that the sacred thread was not only for Brahmins, Dadaji initiated 200 fisherman into priesthood after giving them a one-month-long course in the Vedas. Mahadevbhai breaks into a mellifluous flow of Sanskrit slokas (verses) to illustrate his proficiency in the language. "Were it not for Dadaji I would have been at most a bank manager. Today, I can achieve anything in any field." Poised on the threshold of his first bhakti pheri (devotional tour) abroad, to South Africa, he quips: "Dadaji made me export quality."
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dadajis Stories on Jul 3rd, 2006, 3:49pm

Dadaji's burnished, terrifying, masterfully crafted stories ...

can you please convert this news in english for me Vijay Uncle?? Please

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_05.asp
Re: Make a documentary
Post by An Observer on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:18pm

When I went to swadhyayee.org site, and read all the details under the heading of Welcome to Jagrut Pariwar,
it is very surprizing, strange, and unbelievable at the outset, which has depicted Pandurang as an expert villain.
I do not think many people will read it in detail like me. If this be true, I think the best way to make common people "Jagrut", would be for Mahesh Shah to prepare a documentary on it.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Make a documentary on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:25pm

Good Idea about making documentry, something like 'FAHRENHEIT 9/11' by Michael Moore. I am ready are you??

email me at
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Make a documentary on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:30pm

Excellent Idea..I am all for it and ready to help in any way I can. Lets do it.

Also, if you guys have not seen a bollywood movie " JADUGAR" I highly recommend that you rent it and watch. It is all about swadhyay type scandle and they do use the name "Yogeshwar" in the movie.

Star cast is: Amitabh Bachchan, Amrish Puri and Jaya Prada.

It was produced may be 15-20 years ago.

MUST SEE MOVIE.

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MY HERO SWAMI SATCHIDANANDJI on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:37pm

Since Gujarat police is still groping in dark for some strange reasons, prominent leaders for Gujarat had called a " CHINTAN-SABHA" on July 5th in Ahmedabad to discuss Pankajbhai Trivedi's murder case,and other issues such as massive corruption and Didi's "DADA"GIRI.

My true hero, Swami SATCHIDANANDJI will lead this meeting and provide guidance on how to move forward on these issues so the killers can be brought to Justics ASAP and protect BHAVUK Gujaratis from Religious CON ARTISTS.

Way to GO SWAMI SATCHIDANANDJI!

LONG LIVE PANKAJBHAI.........



LONG LIVE SWAMIJI............ laugh
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MY HERO SWAMI SATCHIDANANDJI on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:39pm

Read more about this "CHINTAN-SABHA" in Divya Bahskar.

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_13.asp

shocked
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:43pm

More LIES to project an ordinary man Athvale as Swami Vivekanada.

Swami Vivekananda was for NACHIKETAS and ATHVALE was for MAHADEV MAGELA....NACHE KAHETA...Ha Ha
Read Divya Bhaskar for more details:

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_05.asp
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SHAMELESS LEADERS on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:50pm

THIS IS SO DISGUSTING.........

Some Swadhyay Leaders from US are in India and they are attaending meeting s with swadhyayis and telling them Pankajbhai's murder is indeed a good thing happened to Swadhyay.

These rascals have no guilt, no remorse, no humanity.

The same rascals preach about "Intellectual Love towards God and his Creations", " God is with in you" , " Brotherhood of mankind under Fatherhood of God".........

Unbelievable.........

cry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SHAMLESS LEADERS on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:50pm

Read Divya Bhaskar for more details on their desparate attaempts to save face.

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_10.asp
Breaking News: Two detained ... More to follow
Post by LATEST NEWS FROM RAJKOT on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:59pm

Two detained for attack on editor by ‘Parivar supporters’ Assaulted in ’05 for publishing e-mail sent by Sanchania against ‘Didi’. Express News Service

Rajkot, July 3: WHILE the Rajkot head of Swadhyay Parivar, Manish Savshani, is in custody of Ahmedabad Police, two more persons from Rajkot district were detained on Monday for in a case of attack on the editor of an eveninger on May 5, 2005, allegedly by Swadhyay Parivar supporters.
Raju Shah, editor of Saurashtra Aajtak, was reportedly attacked by three men for publishing an e-mail sent by Vinu Sanchania against Dhanshree alias Jayshree Talwalkar (aka Didi).
“We have detained two persons from Paddhari in connection with attack on Rajkot resident Raju Shah,” said Ahmedabad DCP A K Jadeja.
In the mail, Sanchania had criticised Talwalkar for raising funds in the name of Parivar. After Shah lodged a complaint with Malaviyanagar police, three persons were arrested and immediately released on bail. Police, however, did not reveal the names of those arrested on Monday. Savshani, a Rajkot industrialist was arrested in connection with attack on Sanchania, a London-based NRI, at Jamnagar in January 2003.
Sanchania was allegedly attacked after he raised question against raising of funds and its handling by the Parivar. The case of Sanchania was reopened last week following striking similarities between his assault case and the murder of Pankaj Trivedi, a former swadhyaee and NRI.
The Ahmedabad police arrested Savshani after they found evidences against him in the Sanchania attack case. Savshani is also a prime suspect in Trivedi murder case.


Click on this link:

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=191142




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 3rd, 2006, 5:31pm

Please watch Video Clip 4 on Akilanews.com

The Trusties of Rastriya School disallowed holding of Swadhyaya Kendra, which was being held since last 20 years.

The reason? The current conflict.

Many more Instiuttions will disallow Swadhyaya using their property.

Slowly but surely people are waking up to the misdeeds of Father and Daughter.

Raju
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 5:46pm

Thanks Raju Bhai,

Here is the link to video, click on it.

http://akilanews.com/0307/vedio/clip4.html

Thanks God, be my guide and give me strength to fight this modern day Duryodhan.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Leaders from USA In India
Post by Re 321 on Jul 3rd, 2006, 5:58pm

If you know the names of those Swadhyay leaders, do not hesitate in disclosing them here.
They will have hard time returning and showing their faces to the Gujarati public.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 3rd, 2006, 6:52pm

I don;t have an exact count but I have heard that one guy is a Doctor and another one is very close to Athvale and Didi.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 3rd, 2006, 7:22pm

on Jul 3rd, 2006, 4:30pm, Guest-Make a documentary wrote:
Excellent Idea..I am all for it and ready to help in any way I can. Lets do it.

Also, if you guys have not seen a bollywood movie " JADUGAR" I highly recommend that you rent it and watch. It is all about swadhyay type scandle and they do use the name "Yogeshwar" in the movie.

Star cast is: Amitabh Bachchan, Amrish Puri and Jaya Prada.

It was produced may be 15-20 years ago.

MUST SEE MOVIE.

wink

I have seen the movie. The only difference is amrish puri was cheating on small village people and pandurang targeted more wealthy and educated people. smart move
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MY SINCERE REQUEST on Jul 3rd, 2006, 7:38pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dr Amit Barot Darshan Patel on Jul 3rd, 2006, 8:53pm

Beside Pankajbhai and ShivKumar Joshi deaths, Death of Surendra Patel in Virginia shall be investigated by FBI too as he died under mysterious conditions.

Dr. Amit Barot is also from Virginia and Darshan Patel from California is rumored to be behind book in Urdu about Pankajbhai's ties with Bin Laden and threat to President Bush.

Surendra Patel is the person who assisted in abortion of top boss when she became pregnant from illicit affair.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Simple Man on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:51pm

Did any one paid any attention to three phone numbers from USA published in Gujarati newspapers which Dhanshree used to Call Bharat Bhatt and others? From the area code you can tell that one was from Virginia, one was from California and one was from Chicago area. Divyabhaskar published the following phone number on 6/26/2006 edition.

757-271-3563
805-459-672_
847-675-3637

These phone numbers MUST be cell numbers as she called using these three numbers in an hour time frame and it is impossible to reach California from Virginia in an hour.

Meaning these three persons were with Dhanshree when the calls were made.

Any comments?
Re: Pankaj Trivedi Murdered...
Post by Sunil on Jul 4th, 2006, 12:59am

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Dadaji & Swadhyay Concepts
Post by Read this on Jul 4th, 2006, 02:24am

Pandurang Shastri Vaijnath Athavale (1920-2003, affectionately known as dadaji, meaning elder brother) A philosopher and social reformer who created the Swadhyay movement in India. Swadhyay is the incorporation of the message of the Bhagavad Gita in one's life.


Youth
Athavale was born on 19th October 1920 in the village of Roha near Mumbai. His grandfather was a renowned scholar and brahmin in the area and regularly, against the public opinion, visited untouchables to explain to them the thoughts of the Bhagavad Gita. Once when he returned, the young Athavale, then aged five, saw him take a bath. Athavale was surprised and posed the question that if in the Bhagavad Gita the Lord exclaims that God exists within all human hearts then how can anyone including the so-called 'untouchables' be considered inferior to anyone else? It is this thought that triggered Athavale's mind.

When Athavale was twelve years old, his grandfather Laxman Rao set up an independent course of study for the young boy with individual tuition. Thus Athavale was taught in a system very similar to that of the Tapovan system of ancient India. In 1942 he started to give discourses at the Shrimad Bhagavad Gita Pathshala, a Vedic centre set up by his father.


Swadhyay
It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into Swadhyay. (Discuss)
The Swadhyay (self-study) movement started in the 1950s in Mumbai. Athavale was influenced when he was invited in 1954 to the Second World Religious Conference in Japan. Here he explicated on the Vedas and the Bhagavad Gita and linked them to modern life. He discussed the idea of an in-dwelling God and contended that the ego is a gift from God and thus rather than being removed should be sublimed with God.

When Athavale was speaking on the Gita and its application to modern life, he was asked whether there was a single village in India practising the ideals of the Gita. Athavale could not answer this question. This is what made him ever more determined to return to India to rejuvenate the ancient concept of Swadhyay. At the conference, Athavale met Arthur Holly Compton, the 1927 winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics. Impressed by Athavale, Compton invited the young man to the United States and suggested that the concepts of the Gita could solve their problems. Athavale politely declined and suggested that he would rather put the ideas to use in India before the West.

Swadhyay literally means the study, knowledge, and discovery of the self. According to proponents, it is a 'journey to work out a unity in a multiverse of cultures and worldviews, of harmonizing the self with a network of relationships, of creating and maintaining vital connections between self, society, and God, of knowing and enriching human action with sacredness'. The understanding of an indwelling God imbibed into Swadhyayees by Athavale is claimed to motivate them towards true expression of devotion (Bhakti). The concept of devotion has two important aspects in Swadhyay: one of self exploration, with a view to becoming closer to God (Bhav Bhakti), and an active and creative principle of devotion to promote communal good (Kruti Bhakti). Athavale taught that through a series of practical steps and programmes, the awareness that the self is the abode of the Divine would be facilitated.

Per Athavale, "In human society, there are many kinds of barriers such as caste, color, status, religion etc. that separate man from man. What is the way to unite the human race in spite of these barriers? The differences do exist from person to person. But there is a common factor which binds all of us. Our Creator is one and our Operator is one. This is the only factor which can unite the human race in spite of multitude of differences. Today, crude hedonism and materialism are on the ascent. As a result of these isms, modern man is becoming heartless. Human life without noble feelings and higher sentiments is dry, dull and mechanical. The consciousness of God within will promote self-respect and respect for the whole of humanity and creation. The essence of devotion is an understanding of nearness of God. In conclusion, I would like to assert that Devotion to God is a force for the individual, a force for social harmony and a force for international unity."

Athavale's thoughts have about five million followers, mainly in Gujarat, Maharashtra and other parts of India. There are also some Swadhyayees in the United Kingdom, the USA, Canada, and in the Middle East. The Iranian Majid Rehnema called Swadhyay a 'silent yet singing revolution'. On a recently concluded (December 31, 2004) elocution competition on Geeta, 1.45 millions youth of age 16 through 30 of different religion took part. The speakers were from 16 states of India as well as Canada, USA, UK, East and South Africa, Middle East, New Zealand and Australia spanning five subcontinents and in 12 languages - English, Gujarati, Marathi, Hindi, Sanskrit, Bangla, Oriya, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Konkani and Nepali. Forty-five percent of the participants were female.

Athavale has introduced educational institutions, developed wealth redistribution measures and social welfare projects. Over 100,000 villages are now actively practising Swadhyay. Athavale has shown that individual transformation eventually can lead to wider social change. Devotion, he says, can be turned into a social force. "Since God is with us and within us, he is a partner in all our transactions. Naturally, he has his share..." God's part of our wealth, Athavale suggests, can be redistributed among the poor and needy.

Athavale presented the idea of "Yogeshwar Krishi" ('divine farming') to the farming community. In this social experiment, each family contributes to the purchase of a plot of land. Thereafter each person subsequently, one day a month, works for its cultivation. Seen as God's plot, the income thus generated is called "impersonal wealth" and belongs to no one but God. The wealth is consecrated in the local temple (called Amritalayam) and later disbursed to those in need as prasad or divine blessings. Swadhyay emphasizes "graceful giving" where 'the help to the needy family's house is taken in the middle of the night so that others may not know that the family concerned has received help from the community'.

Swadhyay says its activities differ from social development projects due to the incorporation of bhakti, or devotion to God, in its work. Swadhyayees believe that no human being is superior or inferior to any other. When wealthy Swadhyayees participate in movement activities, they do not look upon poorer Swadhyayees as 'the other person' in need of public assistance, but as brothers and sisters, as children of the same Creator.

Athavale has also set up a range of educational institutions. In the Bal Sanskar Kendras, children are instilled with a love of Indian culture and values through stories and tales, and in the Tatvajnana Vidyapeeth (philosophical university) at Thane students are taught Indian and western philosophy, comparative religion, logic, Sanskrit, Vedic rites and rituals. Athavale has also taught Sanskrit in the form of verses to illiterate villagers and trained many people of all castes in the Vedic rites of priesthood.

In recognition of his rejuvenation of the Vedic concepts of knowledge, devotion and action, Athavale received the Magsaysay award in 1996 and the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion in 1997. The government of India has rewarded Athavale with the second highest civic honour, Padma Vibhushan, in 1998.


References
Raj Krishan Srivastava, Vital Connections: Self, Society, God: Perspectives on Swadhyaya
http://www.swadhyay.org/
http://www.dadaji.net
http://www.factbites.com/topics/Pandurang-Shastri-Athavale
http://www.rmaf.org.ph/Awardees/Biography/BiographyAthavalePan.htm BIOGRAPHY of Pandurang Shastri Athavale The Ramon Magsaysay Foundation
http://www.templetonprize.org/bios_recent.html By John Templeton Foundation
http://www.templetonprize.org/news_athavale.html By John Templeton Foundation
http://www.lifepositive.com/Spirit/new-age-catalysts/athavale/athavale-shastri.asp An article by a well known writer Suma Varughese
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/06/29/news_pf/NorthPinellas/Hindu_movement_cultiv.shtml By WAVENEY ANN MOORE, Times Staff Writer © St. Petersburg Times, published June 29, 2002

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Post by Gita on Jul 4th, 2006, 02:33am



The Bhagavad Gita describes the mind as turbulent and obstinate. 'The Chariot of the Body': The five horses represent the five senses (tongue, eyes, nose, ears and skin). The rein symbolises the mind, the driver is the intelligence while the passenger is the spirit soul.
Artwork © courtesy of The Bhaktivedanta Book TrustThe discourse on the Bhagavad Gita begins before the start of the climactic battle at Kurukshetra. It begins with the pandava prince Arjuna, as he becomes filled with doubt on the battlefield. Realising that his enemies are his own relatives, beloved friends, and revered teachers, he turns to his charioteer and guide, Sri Krishna (an avatar of Sri Vishnu), for advice.

Krishna counsels Arjuna, beginning with the tenet that the human Soul is immortal, and human death on the battlefield is just the shedding of the body, but the soul is permanent. Krishna goes on to expound on the yogic paths of devotion, action, meditation and knowledge. Fundamentally, the Bhagavad Gita proposes that true enlightenment comes from growing beyond identification with the Ego, the little Self, and that one must identify with the Truth of the immortal Self, (the soul or Atman), the ultimate Divine Consciousness. Through detachment from the personal Ego, the Yogi, or follower of a particular path of Yoga, is able to transcend his mortality and attachment from the material world, and see the Infinite (the Brahman).

To demonstrate the infinity of the unknowable Brahman, Krishna grants Arjuna the boon of cosmic vision (albeit temporary), and allows the prince to see Him in all his Divine Glory. He reveals that He is fundamentally both the ultimate essence of Being in the universe, and also its material body. This is called the Vishvarupa/Viratrupa.

Gita refers to the war as Dharma Yuddha, meaning just war. In chapter 4, verse 7, it clearly states that God takes incarnation to establish righteousness in the world.

The Scripture of Yoga
The Gita addresses the discord between the senses and the intuition of cosmic unity. It speaks of the Yoga of equanimity, a detached outlook. The term Yoga covers a wide range of meanings, but in the context of the Bhagavad Gita, describes a unified outlook, serenity of mind, skill in action, and the ability to stay attuned to the glory of the Self (Atman), which is of the same essence as the basis of Being (Brahman). According to Krishna, the root of all suffering and discord is the agitation of the mind caused by desire. The only way to douse the flame of desire is by stilling the mind through discipline of the senses and the intellect.

However, abstinence from action is regarded as being just as detrimental as extreme indulgence. According to the Bhagavad Gita, the goal of life is to free the mind and intellect from their complexities, and to focus them on the glory of the Self, by dedicating one's actions to the divine. This goal can be achieved through the Yogas of meditation, action, devotion and knowledge. The Gita describes the best Yogi as one who constantly comtemplates God.

Krishna summarizes the Yogas through eighteen chapters. There are four kinds of Yoga - Raja Yoga or Psycho-Physical Meditation, Bhakti Yoga or Devotion, Karma Yoga or Selfless Action, and Jnana Yoga or Self Transcending Knowledge.

While each path differs, their fundamental goal is the same - to realize Brahman (the Divine Essence ) as being the only truth, that the body is temporal, and that the Supreme Soul (Paramatman) is infinite. Yoga's aim (nirvana or moksha) is to escape from the cycle of reincarnation through realization of oneness with the ultimate reality. There are three stages to self-realisation enunciated from the Bhagavad Gita:

1. Brahman - The impersonal universal energy
2. Paramatma - The Supreme Soul sitting in the heart of every living entity.
3. Bhagavan - God as a personality, with a transcendental form.

Here are some quotations from Krishna that make up history's first real yoga text and give comprehensive definitions of the four principle yogas:

On The Goal Of Yoga
" And whoever, at the time of death, quits his body, remembering Me (Krishna) alone, at once attains My (Krishna's- Transcendental) nature. Of this there is no doubt."[1]

On Bhakti Yoga
Put simply, Bhakti Yoga is Service in Love and Devotion to God (Krishna in the context of the Bhagavad Gita).

"I consider the Yogi-devotee - who lovingly contemplates on Me with supreme faith, and whose mind is ever absorbed in Me - to be the best of all the Yogis". [2] "After attaining Me, the great souls do not incur rebirth in this miserable transitory world, because they have attained the highest perfection." [3] "... those who, renouncing all actions in Me, and regarding Me as the Supreme, worship Me... For those whose thoughts have entered into Me, I am soon the deliverer from the ocean of death and transmigration, Arjuna. Keep your mind on Me alone, your intellect on Me. Thus you shall dwell in Me hereafter." [4] "And he who serves Me with the yoga of unswerving devotion, transcending these qualities [binary opposites, like good and evil, pain and pleasure] is ready for liberation in Brahman." [5] "Fix your mind on Me, be devoted to Me, offer service to Me, bow down to Me, and you shall certainly reach Me. I promise you because you are My very dear friend." [6] "Setting aside all meritorious deeds (Dharma), just surrender completely to My will (with firm faith and loving contemplation). I shall liberate you from all sins. Do not fear." [7]

On Karma Yoga
Karma Yoga is essentially Acting, or doing one's duties in life as per his/her dharma, or duty, without concern of results - a sort of constant sacrifice of action to the Supreme. It is action done without thought of gain. In a more modern interpretation, it can be viewed as duty bound deeds done without letting the nature of the result affecting ones actions. It is said that the results can be of 3 types - as aimed for, opposite of what is aimed for, or a mixture of these. If one can perform his duties (as prescribed in the Vedas) without any anticipation of the result of his actions, he is bound to succeed. It includes, but is not limited to, dedication of one's chosen profession and its perfection to God. It is also visible in community and social service, since they are inherently done without thought of personal gain.

Example: If one is playing tennis on the tennis court, his duty is to play as well as he can. If he is a Karma Yogi, the loss of a few points will not hamper his enthusiasm and energy for the rest of the game, but if he is not, then he will start getting tense, nervous, self-conscious, etc. and is then bound to make mistakes and lose anyway. This is a simple example of Karma Yoga for a layman.

Krishna advocates Nishkam Karma Yoga (the Yoga of Selfless Action) as the ideal path to realize the Truth. Allocated work done without expectations, motives, or thinking about its outcomes tends to purify one's mind and gradually makes an individual fit to see the value of reason and the benefits of renouncing the work itself. These concepts are vividly described in the following verses:

"To action alone hast thou a right and never at all to its fruits; let not the fruits of action be thy motive; neither let there be in thee any attachment to inaction" -- verse 47, Chapter 2-Samkhya theory and Yoga practise, The Bhagavadgita - Radhakrishnan
"Fixed in yoga, do thy work, O Winner of wealth(Arjuna), abandoning attachment, with an even mind in success and failure, for evenness of mind is called yoga" -- verse 48, Chapter 2-Samkhya theory and Yoga practise, The Bhagavadgita - Radhakrishnan
"With the body, with the mind, with the intellect, even merely with the senses, the Yogis perform action toward self-purification, having abandoned attachment. He who is disciplined in Yoga, having abandoned the fruit of action, attains steady peace..." [8]
In order to achieve true liberation, it is important to control all mental desires and tendencies to enjoy and sense pleasures. The following verses illustrate this:

Verses 62,63, chapter 2- Samkhya theory and Yoga practise', The Bhagavadgita - Radhakrishnan'
"When a man dwells in his mind on the object of sense, attachment to them is produced. From attachment springs desire and from desire comes anger."
"From anger arises bewilderment, from bewilderment loss of memory; and from loss of memory, the destruction of intelligence and from the destruction of intelligence he perishes"
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On Jnana Yoga
Jnana Yoga is a process of learning to discriminate between what is real and what is not, what is eternal and what is not. Through a steady advancement in realization of the distinction between Real and the Unreal, the Eternal and the Temporal, one develops into a Jnana Yogi. This is essentially a path to God through knowledge and discrimination, and has been described as being the "shortest, and steepest" path to God - the most difficult one.

"When he perceives the various states of being as resting in the One, and from That alone spreading out, then he attains Brahman. / They who know, through the eye of knowledge, the distinction between the field and the knower of the field, as well as the liberation of beings from material nature, go to the Supreme." [9].

On Raja Yoga
Raja Yoga is the stilling of the mind and body through meditating techniques, geared at realizing one's true nature. This practice was later described by Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras.

" To practice yoga, one should go to a secluded place and should lay kusa grass on the ground and then cover it with a deerskin and a soft cloth. The seat should be neither too high nor too low and should be situated in a sacred place. The yogi should then sit on it very firmly and practice yoga to purify the heart by controlling his mind, senses and activities and f

Breaking News: 4 arrested are they fall guys?
Post by The killer of Pankaj Trivedi on Jul 4th, 2006, 05:07am

Gujarat Police arrested 4 swadhyayi in connection of Pankaj Trivedi's murder.... Looking for Didi now??


More news on the way.....

Todays Discussion.......... whay Dadaji created "Yogeshwar" ?? Was it one of the biggest religious scandal ever?? Trademark of god? see my video for more... commiming soon

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

Dear Readers ... please write to Templeton Foundation and tell them the truth about Dadaji.. was he really worth it creating his fabricated social work stories?

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info@templeton.org

Looks like progress is being made. Let us hope police is able to get out of these guys as to who was behind them. Now with all the publicity government will seriously look into alegation of money mismangement.
Krantikari Pankajbhai's sacrifice should not go in vein.- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 4th, 2006, 05:38am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Lok Shikshak Award on Jul 4th, 2006, 05:59am

And Didi created another award for herself.......she was the 1st and the last to get it..... ha ha ha haaaaaaa


By the blessings of Rev. Pandurang Shastri & Rev. Mrs Nirmala Tai, you are also doing like them, the invaluable work of awakening the masses & educating them untiringly. Therefore the FIRST 'Lok Shikshak Award' instituted in the memory of venerable Apte Guruji is being bestowed on you.

Dada ana Didi na bhou awards pun malya......

http://www.swadhyay.org/oldsite/lokshikshak.htm

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 4th, 2006, 06:32am

It looks like the Gujarat Police is doing a good job. We congratulate and wish them speedy results.
Hope Mr. Mody and legal court will work fast too.
IOn Swaminarayan case it tok four years for the verdict.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 4th, 2006, 06:51am




Fearlessness is result of faith in oneself and faith in God....

- Rev. Dadaji

Can there be better example then Krantikari Pankajbhai.


Pankajbhai a true swadhyayi.......

He was NRI but always fought for what he thought was injustice to his mother land (gujarat and poor farmers and uneducated masses) and gave his life for it, wasnt he fearless? I have seen and heard stories about people who forget their own (brother, sister and family) after comming to USA. Some even apart with their own (DADA, bhai and didi) in the name or search of universal brotherhood. I would say try to know your own brother and sister 1st, communicate with them, help them when needy, then move forward. How many of us have guts to leave our loving dollars, go back home and fight for the truth or give a share of it to our family back in india?? Do swadhyay and reply...... Hoffer has managed to answer the age old question of how mass movements work. We wonder how people can blindly follow mass, impersonal movements involving thousands, even millions of people. This book's relevance is seen today with the rise of terrorism and suicide bombers. It could also be said the same for swadhyayi who murdered Pankaj Trivedi.

Here is the link to book....

"The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060916125/103-8411002-1298268?v=glance&n=283155

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay
Swadhyayi "Dada"giri back in 1995
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 4th, 2006, 08:09am

Mr. S. K Joshi from Jalgaon reports that back in 1995 several men entered his household and threatened in front of all the women in family" Stop talking bad about Swadhyay or else we shall raper your daughter in law in front of you"
This is disgusting...
Gujarati Article...
http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060704/guj/national/anu.html



Raju
Swadhyayi "Dada"giri goes back to 1995
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 4th, 2006, 08:18am

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Professor S K Joshi from Gurgaon described what happened to his family under the name of Swadhyay and Yogeswar.

In 1995 Dada - Pandurang Shastri sent few gundas to his house. These gundas asked enitire family to be in one room and than threatened that if your father in law (Prof S. K. Joshi) do not stop talking bad about Swadhyay we shall rape you in front of your father in law and husband. Read the entire article and you will realize that using the physical force to shut the opposition was not invented by Didi but she inherited from the Dada!

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KHASTRIYA SAMMELAN on Jul 4th, 2006, 08:26am

Ok.........so now we know who killed Krantikari Pankajbhai Trivedi.

Most the people arraested for this murder are KHASTRIYA.

We also know about Didi's KHASTRIYA SAMMELANS.

An old timer Swadhyay Leader who was very close to Mr. Athvale commented few years ago, " You guys won't believe me but only time will tell why Mr. Athvale had been pampering Agharis, Vagharis, Sagaris (Sagarputra) and other militant communtieis like KHASTRIYA.

Now we know.........

huh
Didi put swadhyay on every headline
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 4th, 2006, 08:30am

Akila Headline July 4, 2006

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by This is what GITA teaches on Jul 4th, 2006, 10:21am

Dadaji always said "jaroor padee to sara kaam maa ja daakhal karta hoi aamna chup pun karva joyye"

What Didi said few days back is "every sadhyayi should be ready to defend dadaji's thought with his own blood"

If we compare the Killers of Mr Pankaj Trivedi to Mohammad Atta and gang who bomed World Trade Center in New York, then Dadaji and Didi are no less then Osama Bin Ladin and Al-Zahari.


Ravi Patel will speak on his new video more about this.....

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

May be he meant Mara kamama Not Sara Kamama !

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dear Vijaybhai on Jul 4th, 2006, 11:45am

Please post the pictures from Akila of people who were arrested so we have a record for future generation and will always remind next generation about this brutal murder in the name of God.



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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An observer on Jul 4th, 2006, 3:43pm

As per latest news, Mr Mahesh Shah is now fearful of his life.

After this messy event and negetive publicity, Swadhaya + Didi will not repeat their mistake.

So, what is in their armery?

Another murdre? I dont' think so.

Adarniya Didi is now more vigillant. She will not go for this type of crime.

She will make sure to teach a lesson by not KILLING but I think she will adopt a policy whereby the person is made disabled for life.

This is much easier option then taking a life!

I therefore warn all including Mr Shah, that she will do all she can but not KILL. She will MAKE SURE THAT those who oppose her are in hospital for whole of their life paralised or wheel chair bound.

Remeber, she is inteligent but not intelectual. She is crook but not stupid.

Mr Shah and the rest should now target all the cities & towns and make their case against Swadhaya and campaing for stopping Swadhaya taking place every Sunday or whenever.

This Org is now is irresponsible and does not deserve to operate in its present form and definately not under its present leadership.

Has any thought of.......reciprocating??........um.........??


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Gaand Sungar on Jul 4th, 2006, 3:52pm

I'm fine with swadhyay operating on the grassroots level the way it does...

Upper management has got to go...

I agree. I feel that swadhyay as a movement is a nobel one, the grass root members are genuinely interested in upliftment. But, there are those who are in power and willing to abuse it, there are those who are blind followers and would resort to anything - these are the ones needs to be thrown out. So for less than 1% of people who might be responsible for current situation the other 99% need to wake up. So all those who love Swadhyay needs to get into constructive criticism and try to change it. I have a feeling that it may be already under way - just we may not know it. - Vijay Mehta
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Post by Gaand Sungar on Jul 4th, 2006, 3:55pm

Can someone translate the gujarati articles into English when they post it? Would make life easier for many.
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Five arrested for Gujarat NRI's murder
Wednesday July 5 2006 00:00 IST
IANS

AHMEDABAD: Police here have arrested five men accused of killing US-based Gujarati NRI Pankaj Trivedi, apparently due to a dispute within a social organisation he was associated with.

Three of the accused are from Saurashtra - Mansinh Vadher from Junagadh district, Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot and Bhupatsinh Jadeja from Jamnagar - while Hiteshsinh Chudasama and Daxesh Shah are from Ahmedabad.

Trivedi, a 43-year-old professional from Cincinnati, was closely associated with the Swadhyaya movement - inspired by the late Pandurang Shastri Athawale - and was involved in the legal battle between two factions of the movement, police said.

Deputy Commissioner Of Police P.K. Jha told reporters: "We had doubts about Chandrasinh Jadeja due to his criminal record and his association with the Swadhyaya movement. We traced him through his mobile phone and got the names of the others from him."

Police said Trivedi died after was hit on the head with a baseball bat outside the Ellis Bridge Gymkhana in the upscale Law Garden neighbourhood June 15.

"Although they all switched off their mobile phones, somehow Chandrasinh's phone got activated for 15 seconds near the spot just a few minutes after the murder," he added.

Police arrested the five after a prolonged investigation, Jha said.

The phone call Chandrasinh received just after the murder was from Padadhri in Saurashtra, "hence the conspiracy could have been hatched in Saurashtra."

Jha said the accused told the police that they had planned to kill Trivedi six months ago and were closely following his movements in Gujarat.

When asked about the possible involvement of Swadhyaya movement's senior members, Jha said: "We are yet to interrogate them fully. We cannot say who is behind the murder right now."

Trivedi, who was part of the Parivar since 1972, had claimed that millions of dollars, collected as overseas donations for rehabilitation of the 2001 Gujarat earthquake victims, were misused during the last five years.

Chandrasinh Jadeja, however, denied that he killed Trivedi. He blamed the media for its negative projection of the sect.

It is very hard to translate from Gujarati to English. We should look for English version and post the link. - Vijay Mehta

Police know who done it - but who wanted it?
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 4th, 2006, 6:09pm

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Police say they know whodunnit, now hunt for who wanted it done

NRI MURDER : 5 Swadhyay Parivar members arrested, cellphone records provided vital clues; hands behind murder held, now we’ll focus on brains: Additional CP.
Express News Service

Ahmedabad, July 4: CRACKING the high-profile NRI murder case, the Ahmedabad police arrested five Swadhyay Parivar members on Tuesday. The five, allegedly, hatched the conspiracy to kill former Swadhyay member Pankaj Trivedi about two months ago as he had been leading an anti-Swadhyay campaign, hurting their sentiments.

The police arrested Chandrasinh Jadeja (40) from Rozia village in Paddhari taluka of Rajkot district, Bhupatsinh Jadeja (40) from Rajkot, Hiteshsinh Chudasama (30) from Bhavna Tenament in Vasna, Ahmedabad and Daxesh Shah (31) from Maninagar, Ahmedabad. Later, they also arrested Mansinh Vadher (35) from Rajkot.


Announcing the arrests at a press conference, Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said, ‘‘The five have confessed that they clubbed Trivedi to death. As we have arrested the hands behind the murder, our investigation will now focus on the brains behind it.” However, Chandrasinh — who was also present there — denied his involvement in the case. He said, ‘‘The media and the police have created a false picture about me. So, I do not want to talk to them.’’

When asked if the police were contemplating on interrogating the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Jayshree Talwalkar aka ‘Didi’, he said that she would not be questioned at this juncture. Taking note of the similarities between Trivedi’s murder and attacks on others opposing Talwalkar, the police are studying these cases as well.

Deputy Commissioner of Police A K Jadeja said, ‘‘Hiteshsinh runs a catering business under the name of Girish Caterers. Daxesh is a cotton trader. Bhupatsinh works in a factory, Mansinh is a farm labourer while Chandrasinh, a farmer, also runs a pan shop. The five had met each other at a festival organised by the Swadhyay Parivar a few months ago. There, they conspired to kill Trivedi.’’

Friends of Pankaj Trivedi said the accused are unknown to them. ‘‘They must have joined the Parivar about five years ago,’’ said a friend.

On how the police cracked the case, Jha said the police had collected records of all cellphone calls made around the Ellisbridge Gymkhana, the crime scene, within two hours of the murder.

‘‘We felt the murderers must have studied Trivedi’s daily schedule. As Trivedi had stayed inside Ellisbridge Gymkhana for an hour-and-half, they must have waited for him outside and could have remained in contact with each other,’’ Jha said.

On how they zoomed in on Chandrasinh, investigating officer D V Gohil said, ‘‘When Trivedi was sent to Gondal jail in connection with one of the many cases lodged against him by Swadhyay members, he was befriended by Gondal MLA Jayrajsinh Jadeja who was there in connection with a murder case. Being member of the same community, Chandrasinh had approached Jayrajsinh, and warned him against supporting Trivedi. Moreover, former Swadhyay member Satish Rugani was attacked in October 2001. Though Chandrasinh was involved in the attack, Rugani never named him in the complaint out of fear. So we decided to check his phone records.’’

The records provided a major breakthrough. Jha said, ‘‘On the day of the murder, all the accused had switched off their cellphones and were using landline phones to contact each other. After the murder was executed, Chandrasinh’s phone got switched on accidentally and he received a phone call. This got registered by the mobile tower and proved his presence in Ahmedabad on June 15.’’

The police called Chandrasinh Jadeja for interrogation in the Rugani attack case. ‘‘He told us he came to Ahmedabad two months ago. But when we showed him the phone records, he confessed the crime and named Hiteshsinh, Daxesh, Bhupatsinh and Mansinh as his accomplices.’’

During the interrogation, Hiteshsinh said they had killed Pankaj Trivedi as he was harming the reputation of Swadhyay Parivar.

After Trivedi’s arrival from the US, Hiteshsinh and Daxesh kept a watch on his movements. ‘‘On June 15, they waited outside the gymkhana for Trivedi to appear. ‘‘When Trivedi was busy opening his car, Mansinh and Bhupatsinh attacked him with an iron pipe and a baseball bat, and killed him.’’

Dr Rajesh Parikh, a Swadhyay member who was named by Trivedi in his letters to various authorities, refused to comment on the arrests. ‘‘I do not want to come in confrontation with media and my answer will not change,’’ he said. However, a close friend of Trivedi’s, Dr Narayan Sheth showed his unhappiness with the pace at which the investigation took place. ‘‘I hope and pray these are the real culprits,’’ he said.

Manish Savshani: he was the red herring
THROUGHOUT the investigation in NRI murder case, the focus was on Manish Savshani who was recently arrested for his alleged involvement in an atatck on London-based NRI and former Swadhyay member Vinu Sanchania at Jamnagar in January 2003. It was assumed that police were also probing his involvement in Trivedi’s murder. But Additional Commissioner of Police P K Jha said, ‘‘It was a ploy to throw the real culprits off guard and let them believe they are not under suspicion.’’ Savshani is in police remand till July 7.

The killers’ modus operandi
HITESHSINH Chudasama and Chandrasinh Jadeja met during the Bhavlakshi Samaroh organised by the Swadhyay Parivar at Bhav Nirzar in April. Chandrasinh told Hitesh that NRI Pankaj Trivedi needed to be taught a lesson for defaming the organisation and its head Jayshree Talwalkar. There, they hatched the plan to kill Trivedi and sought the help of Daxesh, who was Hitesh’s friend.

When Trivedi arrived from the US, Hitesh and Daxesh watched his movements and recced the areas he visited at least thrice.

Finally, on June 15, Chandrasinh told Hitesh he was coming to Ahmedabad along with Bhupatsinh Jadeja and Mansinh Vadher. They met near Jodhpur Crossroads at 3 pm. Around 5 pm, Trivedi passed by and they five followed him on the motorcycles belonging to Hitesh and Daxesh.

Losing Trivedi in traffic, they went straight to the Ellisbridge Gymkhana, behind Gujarat College, and waited for Trivedi. The NRI, who had gone to meet his lawyer to discuss a case, arrived at the Gymkhana at 6.15 pm. An hour-and-half later, Trivedi came out. When he was opening his car, the Mansinh and Bhupatsinh attacked him with an iron pipe and a baseball bat. The bat was found at the crime scene. The iron pipe is yet to be recovered. After killing Trivedi, they sped towards the ST depot at Geeta Mandir. Chandrasinh, Mansinh and Bhupat went to Rajkot while Hitesh and Daxesh returned to their homes here.


Five Swadhyayee held for NRI Murder
Post by BHAVIN on Jul 4th, 2006, 6:10pm

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Five held in NRI murder case

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All are members of a parivar and have "confessed" to their crime

AHMEDABAD: The Ahmedabad police on Tuesday arrested five persons allegedly involved in the murder of a non-resident Indian and Swadhyaya Parivar activist Pankaj Trivedi.

Joint Police Commissioner P.K. Jha said the accused were members of the Parivar and had "confessed" to their crime.

Clubbed to death

Trivedi was clubbed to death outside the Ellisbridge Gymkhana Club here on the evening of June 15. Some of the accused, who had also reportedly made statements to the media, allegedly said they killed Trivedi because he was "damaging India's Vedic culture and the Swadhyaya Parivar."

Trivedi lived in the United States and was an active member of the Parivar group there. He came here on a business visit when he was murdered.

The police said that some "top brass" of the Parivar were in contact with one of the accused, Chandrasinh Jadeja, and used to visit his house at Paddhari in Rajkot district.

Chandrasinh Jadeja allegedly confessed to the crime and also named his accomplices as Mansinh Vadher, also of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Jadeja of Jamnagar and Hitesh Chudasma and Dakshesh Shah, both of Ahmedabad. All four were later picked up by the police.

Chandrasinh Jadeja was initially questioned in connection with the assault on another Parivar activist, Vinu Sanchania, in Jamnagar three years ago.

Letter to Narendra Modi

The police suspected the Swadhyaya Parivar's involvement because of a letter written by Trivedi to Chief Minister Narendra Modi, saying he was being hunted by the Parivar because he was "exposing" the "shady deals" of the outfit's top brass. He also reportedly named about 30 top leaders, expressing apprehension about their "intention" to murder him.

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Post by BHAVIN on Jul 4th, 2006, 6:10pm

AHMEDABAD: Five members of the Swadhaya Parivar, a social organisation, were on Tuesday arrested for allegedly killing Non-Resident Indian Pankaj Trivedi, a senior police official said.

Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a private club in Ellisbridge locality here on June 15.

"The five accused are hard-core Swadhaya Parivar members and were arrested from Ahmedabad, Rajkot, Junagadh and Jamnagar districts of the state by different police teams," Additional Police Commissioner PK Jha told reporters here.

Those arrested have been identified as Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot, Mansinh Arjan Vadher (Junagadh), Bhupendrasinh Jadeja (Jamnagar), Hitesh Chudasama and Dakshesh Shah of Ahmedabad city, Jha said.

Jha added "now as we have arrested the hands behind (Trivedi's) murder, our investigation will now focus on the brains behind it."

When asked if the police were contemplating interrogating the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Jayshree Tawalkar aka 'Didi', he said that she would not be questioned at this juncture.

"Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot was one of the first to be arrested, as his mobile phone record showed that he was in close proximity to the scene of the crime on June 15," Jha said.

"Though all the accused had kept their mobiles switched off on the day of the crime in a planned manner Chandrasinh's phone somehow was switched on for a few seconds," Jha said adding mobiles were switched off so that their movements could not be traced.


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AHMEDABAD: Five members of the Swadhaya Parivar, a social organisation, were on Tuesday arrested for allegedly killing Non-Resident Indian Pankaj Trivedi, a senior police official said.

Trivedi was clubbed to death outside a private club in Ellisbridge locality here on June 15.

"The five accused are hard-core Swadhaya Parivar members and were arrested from Ahmedabad, Rajkot, Junagadh and Jamnagar districts of the state by different police teams," Additional Police Commissioner PK Jha told reporters here.

Those arrested have been identified as Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot, Mansinh Arjan Vadher (Junagadh), Bhupendrasinh Jadeja (Jamnagar), Hitesh Chudasama and Dakshesh Shah of Ahmedabad city, Jha said.

Jha added "now as we have arrested the hands behind (Trivedi's) murder, our investigation will now focus on the brains behind it."

When asked if the police were contemplating interrogating the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Jayshree Tawalkar aka 'Didi', he said that she would not be questioned at this juncture.

"Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rajkot was one of the first to be arrested, as his mobile phone record showed that he was in close proximity to the scene of the crime on June 15," Jha said.

"Though all the accused had kept their mobiles switched off on the day of the crime in a planned manner Chandrasinh's phone somehow was switched on for a few seconds," Jha said adding mobiles were switched off so that their movements could not be traced.

His interrogation led to the arrest of four others who had come on motorcycles and had beaten Trivedi to death with a metal-pipe and base-ball bat, Jha said, adding the accused had been plotting the NRI's murder for the last six months.

"The accused had been tracking the movements and daily routine of the NRI since the last several months," he said.

On the day of the murder, three members of the gang first assembled in Rajkot, then they took a bus to Ahmedabad where the two accused from the city had provided the local support, Jha said.

"The accused have no feeling of guilt. In their confessional statements they have said they killed Trivedi because the NRI had acted against the interest of the Parivar," Jha said.

Police said it had also recovered a letter from the NRI's car which he had written to Ohio-based 'US Secret Service Agency' seeking 'protection' for himself and his family from 'members of the Swadhaya Parivar'.

Trivedi's letter also alleged that members of the Parivar were targeting him for speaking out about 'financial irregularities and misappropriation of funds' within the organisation.

He also claimed that crores of rupees collected as donations by the Parivar from United States and United Kingdom for relief-work for rehabilitation of Gujarat earthquake victims of 2001 had not been utilised properly.
Swadhyay - Dada's Prayog
Post by SWAMIJI on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:36pm

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Post by SWAMIJI on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:37pm

Galileo – Great Mind
Einstein - Extraordinary Mind
Bill Gates – Brilliant Mind
Dhanshree Talwalkar – NEVER MIND....................

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by My Family Picture on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:39pm

Dear Ravibhai,

You mentioned in your #304 message the following:
"...... and lately a photo frame that says "My family" with one slot empty to place your family picture there... other 3 slots are pre-occupied by Didi, dadaji and tai. Maan na Maan main tera Mehmaan.... long live dadaji. "

Is it possible to show us such a frame here. I want to show this to my grown up children finally remove the Swadhyay impressons from their minds.

Raju
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Buddha on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:39pm

To live a pure unselfish life, one must count nothing as one's own in the midst of abundance..— Buddha

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Post by MORALITY on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:41pm

There's a hole in the moral ozone and it's getting bigger.
- Michael Josephson

Here the hole in moral ozone is as big as the size of the present
leader!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by MKGANDHI on Jul 4th, 2006, 8:47pm

I do not believe...that an individual may gain spiritually while those who surround him suffer. I believe in advaita, I believe in the essential unity of man and for that matter, of all that lives. Therefore, I believe that if one man gains spiritually, the whole world gains with him and if one man falls the whole world falls to that extent." - Mahatma Gandhi


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayee1001 on Jul 4th, 2006, 11:40pm

05/07/2006.

I have hurriedly read posts upto page 3.

I would like to clear some concepts.

Bhav-Samarpan was intended to meet the expense of a Center/Kendra. The moral value behind was why should someone else bear the expense of my listening thoughts of Geeta?

Bhav-Samarpan always used to exceed the cost of Kendra. Number of expenses incurred by Swadhyayees for Kendras were not re-imbursed by Motabhais as rules were such or so was interpreted by Motabhais. The excess was sent to Vimal-Jyoti (Later Nirmal Niketan).

Excess charity is always dangerous principle became operative in Swadhyay. No Motabhai ever tried to see that Bhav-Samarpan was a token amount. I think, I tried to tell The Swadhyayees. I am sure most of The Motabhais would not be knowing this. I used to suggest The Swadhyayees to go to Dada for their share of Bhagwan. I told them Dada would understand your feeling and take it for better use and you will get Ashirwad from Dada.

Dada told people with family should accumulate for their ten years' needs where as Dada accumulated Rupees two hundred crores worth of securities. Did not use the same. Had he used the same, Swadhyay would have grown many folds.

Devipujak should know that people from villages and suppressed castes fail to foresee the traps. They have always been cheated by foxes. Still there need to be one or two generations for Devipujaks to understand the need of values in Swadhyay and loss of values in Swadhyay.

Most of the present followers do not know the situation 50 years back and accepted Values for Swadhyay so they do not find loss of Values. They believe what Didi says and most of them do not make out that Didi tells absolute lies. How would they understand lies Dada told by Dada?

Dada after the problems started in Pathshala told from Vyaspith that those who allege Didi's character are "Aat-Tayees" and they should be killed. It's no sin to kill Aat-tayees.

For understanding the meaning of Aat-Tayees, one must have study of Geeta. Aat-Tayees are those who kill, rape others and burn houses. Where did Dada get the meaning given by him for the word "Aat-Tayee"? Dada gave his own meaning to incite The Swadhyayees to resort to violence - like killing Swadhyayees who were in foundation and supported even Dada's personal and family needs.

Was anyone else alleged in Swadhyay earlier like Didi was alleged? Did Dada take this stand for anyone else? Should Dada not feel Didi and a common Swadhyayee at par?

Do the people who support Didi know that at Dada's level, Dada should exhibit Shthit-Pragnata. When Dada used to incite Swadhyayees, Swadhyayees were told Dada had Vyatha. How could Dada who was expected to be Sthit-Pragna or Sant loose cool?

Would Devi-Pujak at his age and his caste fellow understand this wrong in spiritual work?

I have my doubts that these video pravachans giving wrong meanings of Geeta and which incited present day Swadhyayees to kill other Swadhyayees and such action would not be a sin along with video pravachans where Dada vowed certain values of Swadhyay would be in circulation today.

Does the present generation of Swadhyayee understand the need of character in personal, social and religious life? Do they understand that people with poor character can't concentrate in good work, would be dis-honest in the financial affairs of organisation's funds?

If you go by Dada's own wordings, Dada hailed from a village. Do they know the poor income of a Village Brahmin? Do they know that Swadhyay's growth took place after 1970 when Bhav-Milan samaroh had taken place. Do they know that prior to 1970, from 1956 onwards, these old Swadhyayees like Hemrajbhai, Ramdasbhai etc. went in to villages and brought the villagers to Swadhyay? Who beared the expense of Bhav-Milan Samaroh? Who did the organisational work? Do they know anything about Bhav-Milan Samaroh? Are they aware of any such event? Do they know how big was it and how many days were spent for preparations, how much old Swadhyayees would have contributed for this event?

Do the present day Swadhyayee know that years back no body knew Dada and Swadhyayees? - Strangers - Swadhayees in Bhakti-Pheri were not trusted by villagers and Dada had to clear that Swadhyayees will not ask for Lot (Flour), Note or Vote to gain entry in villagers' houses and gain their confidence to bring them to Kendras?

Do they know that Didi funded a candidate in election to get favour of renewal of lease? Do they know that Didi through a national leader of BJP threatened present Chief Minister of Gujarat - Shri Narendra Mody that Shri Narendra Mody will have to sit home if she signalled Swadhyayees not to vote for BJP? Is this not a breach of vow and promise of Dada to The Society at large?

Do they know that Dada accepted all money as representative of God and the donations accepted were Dev-Dravya which he declared to be his property and gave it to Didi? Do they know that ordinary people who find it difficult to survive even has to pay income-tax and no incometax was paid for this receipts of Dada? Do they know that Dada suggested Vardhaks in Shibir to pay share of God instead of incometax?

Do they know that there were nearly 70 neutral trustees in approximately 100 trusts? Do they know that Dada used to obtain blank resignation letters from all trustees? Do they know that Dada sent tough men to trustees to obtain resignation and made the trustee to speak to Dada in presence of tough men in front of the trustee?

Do they know that Dada/Didi through Swadhyayees did not allow to study Geeta together after they left Dada for his wrongs? Do they know that tough men/anti-social elements were sent to study circles? Do they know that so called Swadhyayees threatened decent old Swadhyayee sisters that they would be un-dressed if they ventured taking any Swadhyay Kendra after these old Swadhyayee sisters left Dada?

Do they know that mob of thousands of Swadhyayees tried to kill Hemrajbhai, Pankajbhai, Maheshbhai etc. who had gone to Ahmedabad to promote Swajan after these people left Dada?

What do they expect old Swadhyayees to do?

Swadhyayee 1001.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5th, 2006, 04:41am

Dear,

I'll try to bring the picture of that photo frame ASAP, but here is you should not belive what media says http://swadhyay.org/mediaNotes/medianotes.htm

When media writes good about Swadhyay movement its constructive and the copies of that is posted on their website to fool the blind followers and when it tries to bring Didi's and Dada's scandal's on surface its a liehuh

Didi tried her best to keep so called swadhyayi away from media so her real truth is not known by them. I told myself the day Pankaj Trivedi was killed, that if killers are not caught I'll never belive in GOD. But now I Love him more and not everyone in system is Corrupt. I thought this murder would be covered too ........... but finally what Pankaj Trivedi belived in and fought for is out there.... God Bless His Soul and I salute all Honest Police Personal who bought the killers to Justice... Bhagwaan Tamne ana tamara Parivar na Hamesha Khus Rakhee. Please try Bring the Master Mind behind this murder under the shadow of Justice.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

NOTE: Swadhyay has always been and will be a great movement in future, but instead of following someone blindly... we must also start a 30 minute discussion after every Kendra where a individual can ask the questiona and a Motabhai or others in that Kendra can reply. GITA is also a answer to Arjun's Questions. Dont we all have few questions that need to be answered?? Discussion will bring openness and creativeness to our swadhyay movement.
I agree, I think Swadhyay will come out of this as a much stronger movement, empowered and able to function at each individual kendra and doing much more than before.
It is hard to get rid of slavery of Masters ( I guess it becomes a way of life) But thanks to sacrifice of Pankajbhai and let us not forget many others who put their life on line and suffered consequences. Arjun is within us and Krishna is also within us our ultimate goal should be getting rid of training wheels.
Every Kendra can post their video clips on you tube and the best ones can be watched by all. I would suggest the title of your project :True Swadhyayee - Those who had courage to rescue Swadhyay!"- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5th, 2006, 05:01am

Thought of the Day.....

"A Human without Ambition is a swadhyayee and a Person with one is Dadaji"

-Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

I am making a Documentary, with title "Pankaj Trivedi - A True swadhyayee" If you have material or someone have known Mr Trivedi Personally Please email me. I want email of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi's son or his Phone #.

I think your new movement should have few basic principles added to the good concepts from current Swadhyay.
1. Each individual soul is capable of attaining Nirvana.
2. We do not need control of Gurus. They are to guide and not rule.
3. As the name suggest the goal is self upliftment.
4. Full accounting and transparancy - any one may question accounting. Money and power corrupts.
5. Anekantwad (Differing views but shared values) There may be different way of looking at the same situation.
6. Under no circumstances we condon violence, intimidation or murder, rape, etc. True Dharma never needs support of Adharm.
7. Wherever like minded people get to gather we have a Kendra and we are not in competition with anyone, no recruitment or no war. If the concept is powerful and if there is a feeling of a true pariwar, people will come.
8. Documentary you make just like Michael Moor's 911 should be bold in exploring facts. But make sure it is not aimed at particular group of persons but particular kind of Bhrastachars. Remember if we get rid of few people now, new Khtoabhais and new Bhogeswar Poojaris will be born. (The Evil also has a way to "Sambhawami Yuge Yuge" )- Vijay Mehta



My Family Picture Frame
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 5th, 2006, 07:20am

Thank you Ravibhai,

Yes, please get that picture frame for me.

My kids do not read media notes, etc. They understand everything going on, but still want to give a benefit of doubt. When they see that picture frame, we will be home for good.

Raju
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5th, 2006, 08:12am

Dear Rajubhai,

I am in pennsylvania and the picture frame is at my Masa/Masi's home in New Jersey, I'll try my best to get picture of it when I am in NJ. I guess you or or kids will come accross it very soon if you are an active member of swadhyay. My Masa is very active member of swadhyay movement and got the frame from India few months back.

NOTE: Swadhyay has always been and will be a great movement in future, but instead of following someone blindly... we must also start a 30 minute discussion after every Kendra where a individual can ask the questiona and a Motabhai or others in that Kendra can reply. GITA is also a answer to Arjun's Questions. Dont we all have few questions that need to be answered?? Discussion will bring openness and creativeness to our swadhyay movement.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 5th, 2006, 08:23am

Last Sunday I visited (not truly attended) Swadhyay center. After knowing all facts thru media, I could not concentrate, since I could not believe what Pandurang was telling. It all seemed "vahiyaat".
While returning home, I tried to recapitulate what was said during the lecture, but nothing could I recollect. It is really a waste of time to listen to a guy after reading his "X-ray".
What should people like me do? There are thousands of us. You cannot stop the flow on Sunday. Should we form a new group and study and discuss ourselves like in Chinmaya Mission? We can, but how about our senior parents? Most of them are used to listening only.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5th, 2006, 08:40am

Dear,

Again we dont want to go and join any another mission or be fooled by a new guru. We need to continue the swadhyay and let feerless swadhyayee speak up, express their ideas ... We dont want swadhyay or any other movement to be business of one family but a family of all.


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A picture like this will always remind us of the good teaching of Dadaji.

God bless us All

Jay Shree Krishna "Jay yogeshwar"

didi
Post by Guest on Jul 5th, 2006, 09:22am

Can anybody explain swadhyay organization structure from the lowest to highest?

Also anybody knows about Didi's where about? Where she is now a days?

Thanks
Re: didi
Post by Neeraj on Jul 5th, 2006, 09:35am

on Jul 5th, 2006, 09:22am, Guest-Guest wrote:
Can anybody explain swadhyay organization structure from the lowest to highest?

Also anybody knows about Didi's where about? Where she is now a days?

Thanks

As far as i know, she was in tamilnadu few days back.
Woh apne baap ki haddiyan pani main phenkne gayi thi.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 5th, 2006, 12:09pm

on Jul 5th, 2006, 08:23am, Guest-An Observer wrote:
Last Sunday I visited (not truly attended) Swadhyay center. After knowing all facts thru media, I could not concentrate, since I could not believe what Pandurang was telling. It all seemed "vahiyaat".
While returning home, I tried to recapitulate what was said during the lecture, but nothing could I recollect. It is really a waste of time to listen to a guy after reading his "X-ray".
What should people like me do? There are thousands of us. You cannot stop the flow on Sunday. Should we form a new group and study and discuss ourselves like in Chinmaya Mission? We can, but how about our senior parents? Most of them are used to listening only.


I felt the same.
No need to go anywhere or belong to any one.
I listened entire Srimad Bhagwat on Hare Krasna websites. I am listening regualarly to the Hindi and English discourses of OSHO. All these are free of cost.
There are free websites where you could read and/or listen to good books. I am keeping myself spiritually satisfied. Now, I know something more. Try for starters the MAHA GITA on www.oshoworld.com on Hindia discourses. If you prefer Srimad Bhagwat Gita, then OSHO has spoken on Krishna and Gita as well.

Raju
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhayayee on Jul 5th, 2006, 12:15pm

NOTE: Swadhyay has always been and will be a great movement in future, but instead of following someone blindly... we must also start a 30 minute discussion after every Kendra where a individual can ask the questiona and a Motabhai or others in that Kendra can reply. GITA is also a answer to Arjun's Questions. Dont we all have few questions that need to be answered?? Discussion will bring openness and creativeness to our swadhyay movement

Ravi Patel wrote above-

I can assure you this is not possible.

In local Kendras no discussions are encouraged. The atmosphere is, you listen & go.

Even in the car park if you try to make a discussion, people are frigthend and will not want to talk to you.

Let me know if you succed in your Kendra as per your suggestion.

Do not hesitate to share your views.

I guarantee that you will be boycoted by the rest of the people in your Kendra.

Good Luck!
Congratulations Junagadh Police for good work
Post by Guest on Jul 5th, 2006, 12:22pm

Look at This now What they have find out

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Thanks
Guest
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ashok on Jul 5th, 2006, 1:16pm

People in USA shall ask question to all motabhais who have gone for asthi-Visarjan Circus.

Did you go for your father or mother’s asthi-visarjan?

God works in its own way.

By killing Pankajbhai, Didi have done Visarjan of her for sure. Now she shall be punished so in future heirs of other sect do not take people for a ride.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Amit on Jul 5th, 2006, 1:21pm

Five swadhyayis remanded to police custody in Pankaj Trivedi case

2006-07-05 22:39:11


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Five swadhyayis arrested by city police in connection with the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi have been remanded to police custody for ten days. Police had arrested them yesterday for the murder of Trivedi near Ellisbridge Gymkhana on June 15. Police had also recovered base ball and iron sticks from these persons.

These persons are Mansing Arjan Vadera of Junagadh, Chandrasinh Manubha Jadeja of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Narubha Jadeja of Jamnagar and Dakshesh Hasmukhlal Shah and Hitesh Singh Ramesh Singh Chudasma both from Ahmedabad.

Meanwhile, during the day Mahesh Shah, a strong critic of the head of Swadhyay Parivar, Didi, held a press conference in which he claimed that Didi incited her loyalists through provocative speeches to silence her critics. Shah has been saying that he would also be eliminated like Pankaj Trivedi.

Police is likely to arrest some more persons in connection with the murder of Trivedi. Accused claim that they murdered Trivedi for the cause of Parivar, a multi billion rupee voluntary organization.






Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 5th, 2006, 1:42pm

Those 5 arrested may have confessed their crime but be warned!
They will never say who is behind this plot.

They will take the burden of responsiblity to save DID!

I think its too early to get excited all about this.

Didi will never get exposed.

Extreme hard work is required to expose this woman, which will not be easy.

So long she has the power of wealth & muscle, its hard nut to crack.

Epecially people in A'bad & Saurashtra will have to work very hard to make ordinary people realise the true color of this so called Org who works for the betterment of the society.

I think its time for all religious leaders like Shri Rameshbhai Oza, Shri Muraibapu and the top nothces to help expoe this Org.

Without the help & support of such high profles, its not going to be easy.

Sorry to sound so negetive but I am a realistic.

Also, Templeton must be brought to their senses that how they have been duped by this Org.

Has anyone considered doing this.

Mr Ravi Patel, I think you can take on this challenge, as Templton is based in USA & you may be familiar with the USA laws etc.

I think best way to expose real culprit is to smoke them out. Start putting pressure on financial management of organization and they will expose themselves. After all all this 12 assults and one murder plus God knows what was done for one reason and one reason only, MONEY. (Laxmi Devi not Yogeswar) - Vijay Mehta
Wow!! Swami Satchdanand Speaks up
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 5th, 2006, 2:09pm

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In what may be the most defining moment of this saga, Swami Satchchidanand spoke up. While addressing a public forum full of Chintansheel people in Amdawad he was brutally honest. Here is the partial translation.

"You have already commited Brahm Hatya now you migth be ready for Sanyasi Hatya. Is Swadhyay a Gunda Parivar? Pankaj Trivedi sacrificed his life for the truth and justice. If he had bowed downed he were alive today. You have already killed a brahmin now come and kill a Sanyasi. I have come here to die. I want to ask Swadhyayees, is this what you have lerned from Geeta? One day your violence will kill you.

Those people who have been caught so far are like blank piece of papers. Actual culprits are different. Police needs to get to the root of this evil. These people are threatening the government that be careful or you shall lose vote bank! How can we tolerate this? This is tigress in the skin of a cow. This is pure religious terrorism and religious Mafia. It is my appeal to police and government to unite against such Gundaraaj.
This situation may also exist in many Sampraday's, my mission is spirituality free of sampradays.
Only crime Pankajbhai commited was to ask for accounting of charity funds.

Many people try to stop me to come to this Sabha. They told me Swami don't get involved. I am 75 year old and rather than developing a cancer and dieing in bed I would choose to die with two to three sticks (for a worthy cause).
Gandhi and Sardar were produced by this land and they shook the British Raj, in comparison to that these people are chicken!

Pankajbhai is the first one to sacrifice him self on the path of Truth. If on Tuesday they had not caught five killers, I was going to declare "fast until death" in today's Sabha.

This event is such that I would prefer to die than to watch it helplessly. Pankajbhai had pleaded with the government for protection but none was offered. Now it is time government does repenting. No one had the courage to consol the widow who lost her husband for truth. If you can not speak due to greed that may be forgivable but if you could not open your mouth due to fear that is Cowardice. I am confident that Gujarat police will get to the root of this.
He(Pankajbhai) said that once Dada handed over the leadership to Didi than one by one real Swadhyayees like Haribhai Kothari, Dahyabhai Jani, Ravajibhai Amin etc were thrown out like flies. This kind of weakness is not uncommon in many Sadhus. Turn over the collected wealth to niece or nephew. As they get older many Sadhus lose their moral conviction, therefor it may be better if they don't live too long. (Referring to possible change in Dada's attitude in final days)
In our meeting to day, many promnent citizens and several prominent Swadhyayees were present. NRI Maheshbhai told the audience that he was raised in Dada's lap. In last five years there have been five attacks. I am publicily announcing that next is my turn.
We are not against the most of the activities of Swadhyay (which are good). But we are against the religious terrorism. People are scared and confused under the name of religion.
Just like Bin Laden was responsible for the attack on world trade center, Didi is responsible for the murder of Pankaj Trivedi. And we demand that proper actions be taken against her.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 5th, 2006, 2:21pm

I agree with the comment of Dr. Mehta that we should put more pressure on exposing and disposing the controlled wealth of the Pariwar. It is the finance that can bring those "stupid muscles" to do such a heinous act. It will be the strength of finance that will deter even the top politicians to take proper action. Once the Govt confiscates it, she is powerless and may end her own life.

But anyway, as of today, our Gujarat Police deserves credit and praise for bringing those culprits to justice.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Templeton Award on Jul 5th, 2006, 2:48pm

Betty M Unterberger, a retired History professor at Texas A and M University nominated Mr. Athvale for Templeton award for "Progress in Religion".

We now know what kind of progress was made....from MANAV to DANAV.

I believe she lives in College Station Texas.

She was told by Swadhyay leadership at the time of nomination that thousands of villages benefitted from this movement and the their standrad of living has gobe up due to swadhyay...a false claim.

She was going to write an autobiography of Mr. Athvale but no sure if she is still doing it after these murder case and opther published scandals.

Her email address is:

bettymu@tamu.edu

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Rajiv Suratwala on Jul 5th, 2006, 4:38pm

Nice to see Swami Sachhidanand speaking against Jayshree. Hopefully message will reach faster to common man in India. Lets hope for the best.
Dada Uwach!!!
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 5th, 2006, 4:53pm


In a lame attempt to justify what is going on. AT this time, five Swadhyayees close to Didi are in Jail, they have already confessed the crime of murder. Many ex swadhyayees were assulted just because they opened their mouth. All the fingers are being pointed at Khotabhai's and Didi. Didi is not showing up for Arthi Visharjan of her Reverand Guru, God and Dad.
The spin doctor of Swadhyay posts this interesting article written by DADA. (Jesing Dodia of Advi)
How many of us are stupid enough to think that didi is like Ram or Krishna or Vashishtha and being defamed because she are too good to be true? They must have no fear of one day God might ask them, "what were you thinking?"
Do they really believe this?
What ever happened to all Swadhyayees just focusing on Swadhyay?
Sorry people who can not read Gujarati, we shall try to locate English translation. But, I seriously doubt if any other news paper will be stupid enough to print this garbage.
Shame on you Akila after doing phenomenal job so far, why are you slipping?

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5th, 2006, 5:23pm

I am glad to see that progress has been made in this case. Thanks to all for translating into English.

I fear that this progress will be short lived. They will trace this back to a motabhai (on the level of a Rajesh Parikh), who will claim full responsibility for masterminding the operation, stating that Didi never knew or supported what he did. It will end there.

There is no way Didi will be implicated, unless a group of motabhais speak out against her, or she herself confesses.

I am hoping that the likes of Hemraj, Ramdas, Mahesh would write a memoir detailing their experiences with Swadhyay from beginning to end. Maybe they already have written one...but are waiting till they die to publish it.

This work is too good and too powerful to end like this.








Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 5th, 2006, 5:31pm

DEAR VIJAYBHAI.

This is not what Akila is writing, its what Dadaji has said in past (its a paragraph from his book) to defend himself and fool the poor and uneducated masses. Its how he brain washed them, comparing himself with Ram and Krishna and who ever opposed him or whatever he is doing is a Devil (Raksas)

ThanKs
-Ravi Patel
I agree with you Ravi, but just because Jesing sends it to Akila, they did not need to print it.
Overall Akila deserves an award for bold journalism and I was sad to see they post it without any comments what so ever. - Vijay Mehta


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dear Vijaybhai and RAVI on Jul 5th, 2006, 6:16pm

I have done lots of homework in last few years on "what can be done to stop this cheating in the name of God" but I do not want to discuss it here.

Can we discuss it offline?
Yes,
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Vijayvip@aol.com- Vijay Mehta

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 5th, 2006, 7:23pm

Why I personally think that some big head might be involved in killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, is because they have collectively filed numerous complaints/cases against him. who inspired them to do so!. Police should get hold of all invoilved in filing false cases against Mr. Pankaj Trivedi in different courts all over india, research them (people and charges) in detail. The Judges involved should atleast give them few years in jail so that they get to learn a good leason and no one does the same in future. I would like Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court B. J. Diwan to say and get involved too.

Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court
B. J. Diwan, a close former colleague of Dada and member of one of
the trusts, told recently to the Gujarati media that "they have Rs
200 crore in trust accounts and Rs 500 crores in immovable property
account, which is now claimed by Dada himself as his own, and not of
God as he used to tell earlier.
This was almost 5-6 years ago.... Why is Mr. Diwan quite now a dayshuh



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GUJARAT FACES ANOTHER BOUT OF VIOLENCE
By Batuk Vora 02/08/2002 At 17:39

Now is the turn of 'Spiritual Terrorists'

Ahmedabad: All those who have not yet fully fathomed the root cause
of the communal carnage in Gujarat that shook whole of India for as
long as three months, feel dumbfounded again while witnessing a sort
of "spiritual terrorism", this time launched allegedly by Dada
(Pandurang Athvale) and his dynastic successor Didi's followers
within Swadhyay Parivar against the dissidents, comprising most of
the Dada's 'old and pioneer' disciples.

Both the groups have filed police complaint at Ahmedabad against each
other alleging threats, violent intrusion, beating up and fear of
murder. Late night's incident on July 27 at Ahmedabad, when a few
dissidents, visitors from Mumbai, were roughed up, beaten and abused
while they were waiting for more supporters to come from North
Gujarat for a meeting.

"This has once again brought out their tactic of spiritual terror and
fascist method commanded from Parivar's present managers from Dada's
official headquarters, Nirmal Niketan at Mumbai," according to a
leading Swadhyay rebel Mahesh Shah, an industrialist, who had to go
underground following a vulgar and violent attack on him and some of
his colleagues. Didi is also now an accused in above police complaint.

A command issued from the headquarters was "Didi and now even Dada
want all members to close their minds and just do what they preach.
No religious song to be sung of anybody else, no worshipping of any
other idol, no attention to any other godly figure than that of Dada.
This is their command," Shah told this writer. He further said that
"so far they have not killed anybody but they certainly want to badly
hurt us and terrorize our families so that we do not raise our voice."

Pandurang Athvale is a Magsaysay and Templeton awards winner carrying
on his Swadhyay bhakti movement since more than 50 years in both
Gujarat and Maharashtra. Hundreds of simple farmers have donated part
of their cultivable land and its all products to Yogeshwar Bhagvan as
per Dada's ordain. One senior former colleague not willing to be
identified, told that Dada himself was now determined to corner all
the wealth and encouraging Didi to spread such a terror. Chronology
of such 'spiritual terror', as related to this writer by several of
those dissidents besides Mahesh Shah, run as follows:

"I have a thousand young chaps similar to LTTE fighters; They would
jump from the tall terrace of Oberoi Hotel here if I command and
would finish anyone without blinking their eyes if I command 'God
would never forgive such traitors'- these words did not come from any
Islamic Jihadi or terrorist but from Jayshree Talvalkar 'Didi,'
adopted daughter (Dada's brother's sibling) as quoted by Chitralekha,
a monthly magazine from Mumbai- July 8.

Following this Ahmedabad based Justice B.J.Diwan resigned and 13
other trustees, including Mahesh Shah, were kicked out from trusts.
Later, Diwan's resignation was rejected by other trustees (Mumbai's
Samkalin Daily- June 25). Diwan told the press that he was shocked to
hear Dada saying that all the trust wealth "belongs to me now."

Following phone threats and mail threats given to Ahmedabad based
Pankaj Trivedi and Mumbai based old colleagues of Dada like Hemraj
Ashar, Ramdas and Jagdish Shah, physical attacks started with beating
up of Dada?s old disciple Satish Jagjivan Rudhani at Rajkot by seven
people last October. Rebels told that Satish was actually close to
Dada and once taken to Japan with him on his trip. Associated for 21
years with Swadhyay Parivar, Satish was beaten up, according to
Rajkot daily Fulchhab and Sanj Samachar, by a gang of 8 Swadhyay
faithfuls from nearby Padadhari town by intruding in his bungalow and
beating him up mercilessly in naked condition in front of his wife by
pulling out the towel while the latter came out from the bathroom
"They were shouting at him 'why did you utter a word against Dada' "

Later in December 2001, Ahmedabad based Pankaj Trivedi received a
most abusive letter of threat to his life. The letter also mentioned
that his wife and daughter would be raped if he ever spoke against
Dada or Didi. Trivedi filed a police complaint against one Bakabhai
Patel.

Mahesh Rawal, a local follower attended a meeting called by the
dissidents on July 26 at Ahmedabad. Next morning, his house was
surrounded by 25 white-sari clad Swadhyay faithful ladies, carrying
placards as 'traitor' and 'turncoat' and spreading terror by shouting
slogans in his neighborhood.

One Devesh Pandit tried to convene a meeting of at his place in
Chicago, USA, and invited around 250 members for that purpose. But a
faithful of Dada Arjun Desai called 700 members commanding them not
to attend Devesh's meeting. Arjun Desai is the ex-president of
Chicago branch.

Indubhai Poptani, a poet based at Porbandar, was told to write a poem
(stuti) on Didi. He refused by saying that how to write it when he
had no devotional feeling for Didi. He received a threat to his life
in front of his wife who suffered a heart attack. She was removed to
a hospital. Popatani's Bhav poems on Dada were quite popular among
vast mass of followers in Saurashtra. Dada had even gifted Rs 10,000
to his kids for 'sweets' on his visit to his house. "May be he
thought this would silence me", Popatani said.

Prof. S.K.Joshi of Jalgaon in Maharashtra was one of the close
associate of Dada for many years. Dada had even once named him as a
'role model' for all other Swadhyay Parivar members. He said "what
actually happened was that I had organized Bhil adivasi farmers to
grow fruit orchards in and around 28 Gnaeshwar Vriksh Mandirs (tree
temple). It gave an income of about Rs 1 crore. Dada did not allow
even rotten fruits to be eaten by Bhil kids. I questioned this
practice and since that time I was hounded with 'spies' watching my
home for eight days in three shifts and later shouting S.K. Murdabad
slogans! I am still living under constant fear. But I am determined
to carry on that noble activity in my own way with cooperation from
at least 200 other followers meeting with me every week. I have found
that both Dada and Didi want nothing else than lots and lots of
income which nobody could question about its use"

Incidentally, Sadhana, an RSS monthly organ in Gujarati, has highly
lauded in a picturesque article Swadhyay Parivar's Vriksha Puja (tree
worship) movement as a Hindu cultural tradition. It has not spoken a
word about what the senior Dada followers now talk about Dada and
Didi. All the four attempts to reach Didi and even Dada for comments
failed.

Some observers see this as a slow but sure attempt of penetration by
RSS Parivar into the millions-strong equally Hindu adherent Swadhyay
Parivar, having fat asset accounts in around 100 trusts and
properties, all over Gujarat and Maharashtra, besides millions of
dollars in London and America. Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court
B. J. Diwan, a close former colleague of Dada and member of one of
the trusts, told recently to the Gujarati media that "they have Rs
200 crore in trust accounts and Rs 500 crores in immovable property
account, which is now claimed by Dada himself as his own, and not of
God as he used to tell earlier." Another old colleague says "they may
not have anything less than Rs 1000 crores."

"Perhaps, RSS wants Swadhyay Parivar to support its own communally
surcharged political activities. Actually, Dada had once celebrated
RSS founder Hegdevar's birth anniversary," said another senior Dada
follower. THE END
Colorful headlines in Sambhav
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayee on Jul 5th, 2006, 7:35pm

Ravibhai or Vijaybhai,

Who inspred the guy in Maharashtra to file a copyright case against one of the Temple for having Yogeshwar In there. Was that for real? who owns the copyright to the yogeshwar bhagwaan? Gujarat Police can get in touch with Maharashtra police and find more about it. I dont think people in India are aware of this Trademark/Copyright Laws. There might be someone (didi/dada) behind that too. Nice business of selling God, and one of the easiest.

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I believe in not doing things the easy way
I believe that being selfish doesn’t pay

I believe in a second chance
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I believe there is life after death
And standing up to a life of mess

I believe in love at first sight
I believe that revenge isn’t right
I believe that first impressions last
And there is nothing better then a good laugh

I believe that dreams do come true
I believe there's destiny for me and you
I believe that good things come to those who wait
I believe love never arrives too late

I believe something good comes from something bad
I believe that for tears of happiness there are tears of sad
I believe everyone has a guardian angel
And the good you do will be rewarded well

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I believe money can't buy people's affection
I believe you don't know what you've got until it's gone
I believe a new day arrives with every dawn

I believe a smile can be contagious
I believe in being very outrageous
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I believe that life is as good as it gets

I believe that God watches over us
I believe the little things are worth the fuss
I believe you have each friend for a reason
I believe you will get punished for treason

I believe that what comes first is family
I believe we should all live in harmony
I believe in making the most of a beautiful day
And it's not the end until everything's okay

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And nothing cures better then a drinking session

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And there's still help when you’re in strife

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And things will change before too long

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And when they’re gone all you can do is breath

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5th, 2006, 8:09pm

on Jul 5th, 2006, 7:23pm, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
Why I personally think that some big head might be involved in killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, is because they have collectively filed numerous complaints/cases against him. who inspired them to do so!. Police should get hold of all invoilved in filing false cases against Mr. Pankaj Trivedi in different courts all over india, research them (people and charges) in detail. The Judges involved should atleast give them few years in jail so that they get to learn a good leason and no one does the same in future. I would like Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court B. J. Diwan to say and get involved too.

Ex-chief justice of Gujarat High Court
B. J. Diwan, a close former colleague of Dada and member of one of
the trusts, told recently to the Gujarati media that "they have Rs
200 crore in trust accounts and Rs 500 crores in immovable property
account, which is now claimed by Dada himself as his own, and not of
God as he used to tell earlier.
This was almost 5-6 years ago.... Why is Mr. Diwan quite now a dayshuh


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Apparently, Rajesh Parikh (one of the motabhais in Amdavad) was behind a lot of the improper filings in the various villages...the guy is supposedly a psychiatrist...I don't know where he gets his legal advice from

Justice Diwan apparently did speak out in one of the Gujarati dailies some time ago..anybody have it?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:10pm

What can be possible defense of Didi when she comes out of hiding?

1. I don't know who did it. If some one does something you can not hold me responsible.

2. This is a big conspiracy to malign Swadhyay by Gujarat Government, Media and Police. We have become so powerful with Dada's work that they wanted to cut us to size.

3. My enemies have killed Pankaj Trivedi to malign me and Swadhyay.

Any other possible scenarios?

We need to discuss this as she is going to come out with all her remaining might as a last ditch effort.

If I know her correctly, she and her cronies will employ
"Hu Maroon Pan Tane Maroon" method before going into oblivion.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ashit on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:20pm

True Swadhyay spirit is "Right is Might"

Present cult mania is "Might(Men, Muscle,Money) is Right"

2.True Swadhyay spirit is "Divine brotherhood under Fatherhood of God"

Present cult mania is " Didis Dadas(muscle men)under Motherhood of Tai"

3. True Swadhyay spirit is "Mafat nu laish nahin"

Present cult mania is " Mafat nu Bhogvish and Saav Mafat nu laish nahin"(One rupee rent for Madhav Baug)

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:20pm

I agree with you. If Didi was innocent, shouldn't she be making a phone call to the head inspector pledging full cooperation with any investigation? How come we have not heard anything about that?

Potential Didi excuses:
1) These people are goondas...they thought they were doing bhagwan nu kam, but obviously they had a very poor understanding of Swadhyay. "Swadhyay is like a garage...cars of different types come and go" so obviously this is not my fault.

2) I have NEVER condoned violence in Swadhyay. Dada also. In fact, through swadhyay, so many people have stopped beating their wives, killing their rival families, etc.

3) Pankaj Trivedi was a dangerous character who, through his threats, encouraged these loose cannons to kill him. Again, I cannot be responsible for this

4) Financial impropriety? Swadhyay has NEVER formally collected money from anybody. Earthquake relief drive? We have never done that! We only take money during Bhav Samarpan days.

5) The Templeton Foundation award was given to Dada, and I inherited that money for use to apply as I saw fit.
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Post by Unbelievable on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:22pm

on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:20pm, Guest-Anuts wrote:
True Swadhyay spirit is "Right is Might"

Present cult mania is "Might(Men, Muscle,Money) is Right"

2.True Swadhyay spirit is "Divine brotherhood under Fatherhood of God"

Present cult mania is " Didis Dadas(muscle men)under Motherhood of Tai"


3. True Swadhyay spirit is "Mafat nu laish nahin"

Present cult mania is " Mafat nu Bhogvish and Saav Mafat nu laish nahin"(One rupee rent for Madhav Baug)



This is cute man....but how does this prove or help anything?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by VINOD on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:27pm

Didi's possible statements to defend herself:

1) The Karya has expanded beyond my expectations and it is impossible to know each swashyayi personally. May be few people were deeply hurt by Pankajbhai's legal battle with PARIVAR and may have done it in anger.

2) We teach people to " see God within other people", how can even someone dare to point finger at us?

3) May be Pankajbhai's friends did it to blame Swadhyay.

4) May be some other organized religion did it to defame Swadhyay.

5) Pankajbhai had been involved in legal fight with us since 2001, We did not try to hurt him or kill him before. Why now?

6) I was out of country and had no knowledge of any plot. How can someone blame me?

7) May be some big builders in Gujarat had their eyes on Bhav-Nirzar land and they killed Pankajbhai so they cna get the land.

8) May be this is a work of ISI? lol





Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:29pm

"When asked what attribute he most admired in human nature, Mahatma Gandhi replied, simply and immediately, 'Courage'. 'Nonviolence', he
said, 'is not to be used ever as the shield of the coward. It is the weapon of the brave."

Whatever Swami Sacchinandji said today is really brave and only person of his integrity can have weight behind such sayings.

Compare above quotation of Gandhi (www.mkgandhi.org) with actions of Didi and her followers who have killed Pankajbhai and violated
rights of many people by attacking them physically.

For Gandhi, He was "Bapu(Father of Nation)" first, Pati second and Pita third.

With present day Swadhyay leader

Power first,
Property second,
Pleasures of life third,
Pita fourth
Pati fifth and

Parivar......(no where in the priority list,ask people who are under arrest)

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:41pm

Just a minor correction to Muksh's list of priorities:

With present day Swadhyay leader

Power and Property tie for the first place,
Pleasures of life second,
Pita third,
Ajay Joshi fourth
Pati fifth and

Parivar......(no where in the priority list,ask people who are under arrest)


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Indian Citizen on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:47pm

With so many NRIs in Ahemadabad, keeping a close watch on behalf of Didi, I want to show following preamble of Indian Constitution to Police Commissioner and CM Narendra Modi.

WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens :

JUSTICE, social, economic and political ;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship ;
EQUALITY of status and opportunity, and to promote among them all ;
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of individual and unity and integrity of the Nation ;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty sixth day of November , 1949,
do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.

Mr. Commissioner and CM,

Can you prove to us that you are following constitution in letter and spirit?

Whole world is watching you. Do not put we,the people, down.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NRI on Jul 5th, 2006, 9:59pm

Dear Indian,

Just ask the law enforcement, police to question three of them and match their mobile phone numbers with the phone numbers published in Divyabhaskar. Bharat Bhatt received few phone calls from USA while Didi was in USA using these three phone numbers. I firmly believe these three people are in Ahmedabad.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by TributeToPankajbhai on Jul 5th, 2006, 10:43pm

Didi's secret vacation picture...someone was spying

Picture has been removed.
Just because someone digitally put Pankajbhai and Bin Laden picture to gather, we do not have to stoop to that level . Hope you understand. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A True Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 12:27am

Devipujak Yuvan,
I am sorry that now you have to face the truth that Swadhyayees have got Pankajbhai Trivedi, who was fighting for the truth and who tried to expose didi's true Swaroop of Surpankha and Tadka, murdered. I have sympathy for you Devipujak, since you are mislead and brainwashed by Didi and Motabhais. I can understand your feelings. Didi is not the way you are seeing her. My advise to you is that you join another Parivar. I can start my own Parivar and teach good things superficially for my own profit. My teachings are good but as you can understand I am not good. Just like that the Leaders of Swadhyay are corrupted. The teachings of Swadhyay are good but they are for Didi's and Motabhais' profit. I know they are selling good things, but they are not good. Now, you have bought those good things, you just leave Didi, and live happy life with what ever you have learned in Swadhyay. Dont unify Swadhyay and Didi, Dada. Those are seperate. Swaydhyay is good thing, but the leaders are using for their own purpose.

Jay Yogeshvar.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:11am

on Jul 6th, 2006, 04:44am, Guest-An Observer wrote:
1. To the Irish Robin Hood"
You do not go to the extent of abusing someone's mom. This photo was not necessary here. Even otherwise people could visualize the situation.
2. Someone else had also mentioned "Taro Baap" to DR. Mehta in past.
If you cannot stand truth, and refrain from using obsene language, pl. keep away from the website. People are volunteering to feed infomation.
3. To Ravibhai: What are the Bhaav-Samarpan Days? How much and who had to contribute?


Listen I was not the person abusing someones mother. It was the guy in the photo who was cleary having his way with her. Why that person wanted to photoshop someone elses head shot onto his mothers body is his problem. I was merly highlighting the fact that it bought nothing to the trajic events of pankaj bhais death and the loss his familiy and many others including swads members must be suffering when some one dies

YOu must me another of those slack jawed village yokels with a pitch fork jumping up and down, following a heated mob that has no concept of what constitutes a modern method of factual debate. Who, however prefers the mud slinging with the mob approach.

A Bid you fond farewell and hope you catch up with the rest of the world as soon as you leave the dwellings of your cave.
Dekh Tere Sansar Ki Haalat Kya Ho Gayi
Post by Gods Work Gods Money My GOD on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:16am

Must go down in the Guiness Book of Records as the Greatest Con of the Century!!

Dear Friend! Open you mind and brain! No one including media or for that matter anyone else is blaming Swadhyaya Parivar i.e. thousands of dedicated, unsuspecting, faithful, righteous, honest, innocent and dynamic Swadhyayees. In fact the whole world has recognised that it is because of the labour of these pious, devoted and trustworthy Swadhyayees that the movement has achieved so much in every sphere of life. Consequently, Swadhyaya Parivar has rightly received so many awards in recognition and appreciation of its achievements. However, as per the recent research and documented proof and scientific disclosure by the media and the intellectuals that the real ulterior motive of the Founder family was and is to acquire personal fame and fortune. To do this he has clearly used the concepts of "Bhagwad Gita" only as an instrument to achieve his vested interests. It is now obvious that thousand of "Satvik", pious Swadhyayees have carried out this Work thinking that this is "God's Work". It is true that as a by-product there was a social revolution - but the created wealth (Maha-Laxmi or impersonal wealth) which should have been used for the humanity - was secetly and cleverly hoarded over last 50 years and was never used for the benefit of the needy. And now it is "openly" controlled by Athvale family. No one is critising these woderful Swadhyayees or their marvelous fruits of achievements. We are only unmasking those who wants to deceive the world and try to eat the fruit of their achievement of innocent Swadhyayees. It surely takes a lot of courage of conviction and alertness to keep one's mind clear from distorted views.

My friend! look all around you - the facts are in front of you! Awake! Open you eyes!! As per your statement if media is telling the lies then, then why don't you or your leadership have the guts to sue them. One newspaper may have published untrue articles but not all the newspapers all over the world, including the ones in India, USA and UK! The movement has started some 50 years ago. Why did all these news came out in last two years?!

If Media was all about lies, was this a lie too?? why have swadhyay dedicated a link to News cuttings... Open your eyes

MEDIA NOTES THAT LIE...
http://swadhyay.org/mediaNotes/medianotes.htm

Gods Work, Gods Money, My GOD.
http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60282
Krishna idol in copyright mess

Replica of ‘original’ Krishna idol in police custody for violating copyright, probe under way

JALGAON, DECEMBER 5, 2004:
According to Hindu mythology, Lord Krishna was born in a prison but divine powers facilitated his liberation. But that was satyug. In post-WTO kalyug, an idol of Krishna is in police custody for the past four months. Reason: It has violated the Copyright Act.

The three-feet-high idol was confiscated by the Jilhapeth police in Jalgaon on August 18 after a local resident filed a complaint that it was being installed at a local temple in violation of the Copyright Act.

According to the FIR filed by Kishor Pralhad Khadse, the Sadvichar Darshan Trust, an outfit of the Swadhyay Parivar, has a copyright over the idol’s design and the trustee of a local temple, Sudhakar Kashinath Joshi, had made a copy.

‘‘The idol looks similar to that of the copyrighted idol, but we need opinions from experts on whether it is an exact replica of the original,’’ inspector D.S. Gadekar from Jilhapeth police station said. ‘‘We are awaiting technical advice and investigating the case. No person has been arrested, but a case registered under Sections 14, 45, 48, 51 and 63 of the Copyright Act is being investigated.’’

The accused in the case was working with the Swadhyay Parivar, which has a copyright over the idols’s design, before he decided to go his own way. He is now a trustee of the Sant Dyaneshwar Mandir Trust at Pratap Nagar, Jalgaon and has filed an application to demand the idol back for installation at the temple. The case is pending in court and is scheduled for hearing on January 31, 2005.

‘‘Our trust resolved to establish an idol of Yogeshwar ShriKrishna in our temple way back in 1978 but there was delay for want of funds,’’ Joshi said. ‘‘Our idol looks similar to the original idol at Swadhyay Parivar’s Tatvadnyan Vidhyapeeth but there are vital dissimilarities — like our idol has the right foot forward, is standing on a lotus and has one peathingy
feather in the crown, while the original idol has the left foot forward, is standing on the globe and sports three peathingy
feathers.’’

DSP Pravin Salunke said the matter had also been referred to some experts in Delhi for opinion on the alleged violation of the Act. He said a chargesheet would be submitted to the court after the conclusion of investigations.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BhavSamarpan on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:23am

Bhav-Samarpan..... Money for the creator (who owns the copyright to yogeshwar) of GOD...

Many of us have donated portions of our earnings towards bhavsamarpan, with the understanding that it would be used for God's work. Hearing about the staggering sums of money that have been accumulating in Trusts left many of us questioning our decision. Also, we have heard of instances where "God's money" was denied to those in short term need, with no real reasons given. What has been done or is planning to be done with the millions of dollars collected by DAY in the United States? Also, Do any of these funds go towards Dada and Didi's accomodations and medical care? If not, then whats the need of bhavsamarpan and where does the bhavsamarpan money go?

What happended to God's share of wealth? This is a very good question and many people who asked the question ended up with broken leg or lost life, many of them did not lose spirit. If Dada thought he was Bhagwan than obviously it was his share. Many a times Didi has said that once you offer Bhagwan coconut you do not ask what happens to coconut after that. I think real answers will come once police and governments (India, UK and USA) start looking into what happened to funds. - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:25am

Which uk or usa newspaper has printed articles. Please give me names or links. I will print copies out and then hand them out to people in my local town or post them.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by a swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:30am

There is a book by Malcolm Gladwell " How Little Things can Make A Big Difference" - I was involved with Swadhyay activity immediatly after Thirth Raaj Milan it was in 1976 and I heard so many Bhav prasang and i met all including Hemraaj Bhai, Mahesh Bhai, Jagadish Bhai, Ramdass Bhai every one. I know personally every one is good and their motives are doubt less. But after 24 years i started to hear that they were all wrong ; how come suddenly every thing changes / then i got a chance to sit in Patotsav Samaroh where i saw
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dadajis Biggest lie on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:33am

Dadaji was walking down the street when he came upon a group of about a dozen boys, all of them between 10 and 12 years of age.

The group surrounded a dog. Concerned lest the boys were hurting the dog, he went over and asked "What are you doing with that dog?"

One of the boys replied, "This dog is just an old neighborhood stray. We all want him, but only one of us can take him home. So we've decided that whichever one of us can tell the biggest lie will get to keep the dog."

Of course, the dadaji was taken aback. "You boys shouldn't be having a contest telling lies!" he exclaimed. He then launched into a ten minute sermon against lying, beginning, "Don't you boys know it's a sin to lie," and ending with, "Why, when I was your age, I never told a lie."

There was dead silence for about a minute. Just as the Dadaji was beginning to think he'd gotten through to them, the smallest boy gave a deep sigh and said, "All right, give dadaji the dog."

grin

Dadaji's Biggest lie .... "Jai Shree Krishna" and "Jai yogeshwar" were the same... If that was true why copyright "yogeshwar"

See post no 396.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M K on Jul 6th, 2006, 05:48am

I was involved in swadhyay since 1976 , immediatly after Thirth Raaj Milan, and attended so many shibir and heard so many bhav prasang.

I saw Dada last when i attended Patotsav in Vidyapeeth in 2002 i think, that time i understood that some thing is wrong with this activity. Dada looks totally un confident and for every small thing he used to cry.

24 years we heard about Hemraaj bhai, Ramdass bhai, Jagadish Bhai so many prasang but suddenly all versus changed. How come? - I decided to leave this activity, no body stops you to do Trikal Sandhya and reading Gita but in this trap we are getting mis guided and its a sorry state of time that all young Swadhyayees are getting mis guided and they doesn't know what was there before 1990.

I think after 1990 Manushya Gourav din I never saw Bharat Bhai I last saw him in Chowpaty. Like that so many Bhai one by one left from this activity, they gave their life for Swadhyay and after 24 years I found every thing is wrong.

so i want all Senior Swadhyayee to come out and should give some right way to all our young swadhyayees , even now its not too late.

jay yogeshwar
Who was mastermind? in English
Post by Who is the master mind on Jul 6th, 2006, 06:43am

Swadhyayis planned Pankaj Trivedi’s murder six months back ... who Planned it? who inspired all other swadhyayi's and Motabhais to file false cases against Pankaj trivedi in different courts all over india?? whil they be punish or jailed for filling false complain in courts and wasting time of court?

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=804&catype=NEWS

Ravi Patel
Thank you Swami Sachchidanand!!
Post by Mukesh on Jul 6th, 2006, 07:10am

http://www.sandesh.com/dailyimages/21july_abad.jpgSwadhyay parivar has become goonda parivar: Sacchidanand

2006-07-06 10:05:42


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

At a meeting held in the city on "Religion Terrorism" number of leading personalities launched a scathing attack on Swadhyay Parivar and described its head, Didi, with a variety of adjectives like a tigress donning the skin of cow. These persons were of the view that the mafia of religious leaders was more dreadful than the underworld of Dawood.

Referring to the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi, Swami Sacchidanand said that Swadhyay Parivar had become goonda parivar. The fear of terror created by it can never be tolerated, he added. Pankaj Trivedi, a staunch critic of Didi , was murdered on June 15 and police have arrested five swadhyayis in this connection.

He said that the fault of Trivedi was just that he had sought details of account of the Parivar, a multi billion rupee voluntary organization founded by Pandurang Shastri. He also blasted the Modi government for not responding to the requests of Trivedi for protection though he had feared attack from members of Swadhyay parivar. He said people worshipped Didi as a holy cow, but in the skin of cow she is a tigress.

Noted activist Prakash N Shah said that the activity of spreading terror in the name of religion should be checked. He suggested that there should be a social audit of such organizations. Writer Rajnikant Joshi said Dada, founder of Parivar, was a good man but not a straight man.





Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyaya instrospects on Jul 6th, 2006, 08:12am

We've established that the concept of Swadhyay - introspection & personal development as an instrument for social revolution - is a commendable idea. For many of us, it has been life-transforming.

As for the institution, there isn't much left to say.

However, for those interested in encouraging dialogue and finding constructive ways to ensure that the concept of Swadhyay continues, please contribute to this blog: http://swadhyaya.blogspot.com

We need to de-link the idea/concept of Swadhyay from those who promote it (the institutions); perhaps the best of it will stay vibrant and alive.

This is an excellent site. For all Swadhyayees who love Swadhyay and have interest in shaping its future I would strongly recomment it - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by dumbfounded on Jul 6th, 2006, 08:19am

Someone said it well the other day:

If Didi wasn't behind all of this, then she has no control of Swadhyay (because Swadhyayees are taking the protection of the Parivar into their own hands)

If Didi was behind this, then she has no control of Swadhyay (because someone can blackmail her).

Sounds like trouble to me smiley
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by More Kendras Closing down on Jul 6th, 2006, 08:38am


The following are only some of the Swadhyay Kendras that are closed.
If you know of any others that are not listed here please let us know:

ALL Gujarati kendras in Mumbai closing down!!!

(1) Prempuri Ashram, Maharashtra, India
(2) Samarpan Temple, Pennsylvania, USA
(3) Wembley, London, UK
(4) Finchley, London, UK
(5) Stevenage, London, UK
(6) Southall, London, UK
(7) Harrow, London, UK
(8) Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
(9) Madhav Kendra, Chicago, USA
(10) Elmhurst, New York, USA
(11) Corona, New York, USA

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:07am


Swadhyay Spin-Doctors at work in defense of Didi:

However, the problem would arise if I do not understand that (a) there are issues which I may not fully understand. For people like us sitting in comfort of our home overseas we do not realize the day-to-day issues/challenges that Didi has to face dealing everyday with people at all level right from the interiors of India to people overseas and (b) Our Parivar consists of Millions of people. It is just not possible that Parivar be run according to wishes / whims / fancies of each and everyone - no matter how great the idea that may be because at the end of the day everything need to be balanced.

In this trying time - we need to have faith in Pujya Dadaji's decision to pass the leadership to Didi. All said and done - someone else in Didi's position would have fled by now but she has stood firm. She is also learning every day (like everyone else) and we need to stand by her

Bhaio and Baheno

Let me explain you what an Indian Trust is? Trust is fromed by several trustees. They manage the Money coming in and Going out (Credit and debit). Not only money but other activites also. Money management may
be 10% of the effort. The account is verified by Certified Chartered accountants.

The report is also apporved by Charity Commisionar.

Make it clear that "Money is not accountable". This is a false statement. All the money is accountable using above process. And once a year they report to Nirmal Niketan.

For more info When Pujya Dada received Templeton Award then we had function in Stadium at New York City. Pujya Dada Quoted that the impersonnal wealth is not for collection that must be distributed to
Krutishil Swadhyaees. The Krutishil had powerful "ASMITA" and "SELF
CONFIDENCE" they did not want to receive as PRASAD. Pujya Dada further mentioned that if they want take that money then he will personnaly will
come to village and distribute that money.

People talk about Crores of Rupees. One know that Swadhayee received the "BARREN LAND" from villages or districts. Nothing was growing except the
weeds. Sometimes even weeds wan't grow.

These lands are cultivated by Swadhyee Pujaris and now it is worth more money. They must be caounting the value of Land in the total wealth.
These are not REALIZED wealth.

Ashvin Sheth
ashvin.sheth@boeing.com

10:01 PM


Anonymous said...
Jay Yogeshwar.

I couldn't agree more with what Ashvinbhai has stated.

I had privilege to be personally involved with Shrambhakti at Bhardwaj Vrukshmandir at Rampara village in Bharuch district (on the banks of Narmada River). This was in 1988/89 period.

In the original land there was nothing but 'Bhekhads' i.e. completely uneven and barren land. Thousands of Swadhyayees with their Shrambhakti levelled the ground in couple of months and the Vrukshmandir was created.

Unfortunately I didn't have opportunity to visit the Vrukshmandir after it was setup but last I heard from a local brother, it is now a beautiful place due to Lord Yogeshwar's grace, Pujya Dadaji's Aashirwad and Pujari bhaiyo's Bhakti on continuous basis.

And I am sure the land is now worth lot more than what it was before.

All Swadhyay trust accounts in India are filed with Charity Commissioner and anyone can go to Charity Commissioner to get copy of Swadhyay trust accounts.

On a different note - we live in post Enron/Worldcom era and I do agree that Audited accounts of all charities / trusts should be published on the website so that any member of public can see it (without having to visit Charity Commissioner's office). But this requirement can not be selectively applied to Swadhyay Trusts only - it should be applied to all Religious/Non-religious NGO/Charities/Trusts.

Nilesh Sahita
Singapore


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:13am

Pankajbhai was "Shahid' as per noted thinker Gunvant Shah.

Pankajbhai died because he wanted trusts accounts to be audited by CA association in India.

Why can't Swadhyay be first and put all his accounts for public scrutiny? What do they have to hide or be afraid? Be Nirbhay as Dada said.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:20am

As I asked Ravibhai earlier,
I am still very curious to know the process and practice of Bhaav Samarpan. I have been attending Swadhyay since last several years, but was never asked a penny to contribute.
Even during the Earthquake we did not know when and how it was collected in our town.
(Was I kept aloof?)

Is it a cetain percentage, or sum?
Is it decided by Swadhyayee himself or Pandurang?
Is it every month or on certain occasions only?
Is it different for salaried and business people?
Is it cash only? and is it receipted?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:33am

I have another question to Ashvinbhai and Nileshbhai who are defending Didi and her trusts.

Can you guide me how one applies for money from these trusts? Like me and thousands of other swadhayis in villages and town need money for crisis from time to time.

Is there a formal application form?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by LongTimer on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:37am

Friends,

Swadhyay has been a part of my life since birth. I attended Swadhyay regularly and was always very active in all of its facets for a majority of my life. However, I became disillusioned around 2002-2003 when long-time Swadhyayees were being excommunicated from the organization. I thought to myself, "How can anybody deny one access to philosophical and spiritual symposium?" The resounding answer during a closed session from people high in the organization - including Didi - was that "we cannot forgive these people because they are not human, they are animals." It is painful for me to relay this but I heard it with my own ears. "How could the same people that taught me that god is within everyone tell me that there is an exception and these specific people are animals," I thought. This was also around the time that the structure of Swadhyay started to change. The "Motabhai" position became more prevalent within the organization and one could start to sense the vertical hierarchy where before it felt more like horizontal leadership. Discussion, the most beautiful part about Swadhyay pre-2002, was constricted on all levels. This was particularly d**n
ing for me, an American-born teen who wanted nothing more than to learn about my culture and religion through the Socratic Method. Eventually, the structure yielded an atmosphere in which one could ask a question and the only person that could reply was a Motabhai. However, if that question was too racy, there was always the looming fear that one could be excommunicated. This environment is what took Swadhyay to its plateau and then on its gradual decline.

Having said (and perhaps ranted) all of that, I must also note that anything I know about my culture and religion today has a direct relation to Swadhyay. Swadhyay inspired me, especially now, to turn to the religious texts themselves for "self-study." Swadhyay gave me such high expectations for myself. Swadhyay gave me a sense of pride in my culture and my country. Swadhyay instilled a desire to learn about all religions and not only Hinduism. Swadhyay has given me so much in my life and I expect that it will continue to give me more, but I hate to see this hope squandered by the follies of an oligarchy. I cannot speak about Swadhyay in India because I don't have enough experience with it, but I can say that Swadhyay in America is a very different environment. Some centers are so far removed from the "governing" aspect of Swadhyay that it is almost as if they are operating independently. Because of that, I think those centers, in practice, are closely aligned with the original, ideal intentions of Dada. Perhaps that is the fix needed. It is callous and speculative for people to generalize that all Swadhyayees are brainwashed and blind-followers. I can name many more free-thinking, logic-based Swadhyayees than blind-followers. So many individuals I know who have done laudable things attribute their inspiration for doing such things to the principles that Swadhyay imparted to them. I simply ask this from the posters and readers of this thread, please do not base your opinion of Swadhyay and Swadhyayees upon the actions of a minority. Honestly, that minority is not at the center of Swadhyay. All I know is that I am who I am today because of the "Golden Age" of Swadhyay and I would hate for people in the future to miss that because of mismanagement within the hierarchy.

On one last note, I really find it disheartening that this thread has dwindled into a forum of name-calling and character-bashing. I do not think that - and correct me if I am wrong - Vijaybhai started this thread with the aforementioned as his intentions. Why not talk about relevant solutions to what can be done to mend this organization instead of who should be killed, who should go to jail, etc. Our culture has always placed an emphasis upon progress and change and there are people here who are making a mockery of that tradition.

Thank You
Thank you for your input. This thread was started to discuss issues openly.
I have never attended Swadhyay personally, but I am inpressed with degree of discipline that I have seen in hundreds of Swadhyayees in Central Texas area. I have met many youth whose life has been shaped by Swadhyay.
Based on everything I have read about Pankajbhai and Vinoo Sachania etc, they used to be in Swadhyay with same dedication. Something went wrong and suddenly they are being compared to Rakshshs. One is murdered and many other burtally beaten. Everyone I have talked did convey that "you do not ask questions" (Sounds more like some other cults I know where total submission is a must).
Everything I have heard so far .. no one has made a statement that "Money raised for earthquake did go for them Rupee for Rupee. I have never seen any statement from any Motabhai or Didi to renounce violence on the other hand there is evidence that in an indirect way they might have instigated hatered that lead to murder.
I hope more people will post how wonderful Swadhyay is and those who know would suggest how we can change this for better.
We do live in a time where transperancy and accountability is more important than charm.
I personally feel that all these discussions are constructive and will lead to even stronger Swadhyay. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NILESH SAHITA on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:47am

We have received message from Nilesh Sahita that this message was not posted by him. It may be that there are more than one Nilesh Sahita or someone is posting message under assumed name to defame Nilesh. - Vijay Mehta
I know exactly how the fortune is made by Father and Daughter Duo.

Yes, it is true that they will not ask you for money or Bhav-Samarpan for first few years. After few years, someone from inner circle in your swadhyay kendra, who might have developed some relationship with you, will approach you and say something like this, " You have been swadhyayee for three -four years now. It is now time that you become "Krutisheel", meaning start Bhav-samarpan and become an aggressive marketer ( to go on Lav-feri) and work for free at SHUBHAG (another money generating scheme where assembly work from Corporations like Sony is contracted and DAY is paid for the job). Infact after attending Swadhyay for some years, one swadhyayee from my kendra stopped by at my place after swadhyay and asked me to consider offering bhav-samarpan and he even told me that date, time and place where to go and offered me that I can even ride with him.

During your first few Lav-Feri trips, you are under a supervision of a senior marketer and he or she may very well inform you that consult him or her before you say something. The whole idea is to create an image of Dada as an AVATAR and Didi as BHAVANI.

In order to exploit people, you need to kill their brain cells first. Study any cult and you will see this phenomenon, I gaurantee it.

Second, did anyone ever paid any attention to why the printed price in rupees of any swadhyay book is covered under a sticker and a price in US $ is hand written? I want everyone reading this message to look at all the books that they had bought, look at the price in US $ and look at the covered proce in Indian rupees and you will be shocked to find out that the profit margin ranges anywhere from 25 times to 35 times the original printed retail price.

Third, in Swadhyay flow money had ALWAYS been ONE-WAY. Money flows from the society to Swadhyay Leadership but not the other way around.

Fourth, dedicated ( I mean Brainwashed) swadhyayis work free for Yogeshwar-Krishi, at Madhav-Kendra in Chicago, Matsya-gandha and many other money generating schemes. Swadhyay in fact sell them the vegetable grown by them...how disgusting?

Not only that, if any of these dedicated (brainwahsed) swadhyayis want to take "Vidya-Prem-Vardhan" tests on hindu religion, they charge them $10 fee.

If you calim that Swadhyay works as " Pracharak of Veidic Sanskruti" and interested in spreading ideals of Geeta, why do you charge $

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:52am

Focus of this forum shall remain finding brain( and not brains as her cronies are just puppets) behind Pankajbhai's brutal murder.

In that process, many views will come. However Junta ( Public) is very smart to find value of each posting and make their own judgement.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6th, 2006, 10:07am

Dear,

BHAV-SAMARPAN....samarpan your MOH (affection) for you real family (your real sister,brother and dada,dadi) and wealth and work in the name of God for God or with god. Dadaji himself dint samarpan MOH for her daughter and money.

Here are the few money making schemes associated with bhav-samarpan, making poor people work in the name of god. who is god?? which god??

http://swadhyay.org/matsya.htm
http://swadhyay.org/krishi.htm


Ashwin bhai, I am talking about Bhavnirjer (34 Acre land in ahmedabad), the leased expired in 2002 and false cases filed by swadhyay Mothabhai against Mr Pankaj Trivedi and other VIR's who fought for truth. You only gave an example of land that's not worth anything, or you are told to do so.

ashvin.sheth@boeing.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 6th, 2006, 10:29am

Ashvinbhai,

Do you need a proof that the donation collected for Bhuj earthquake victims was not used to BUILD houses for the earthquake victims?

Can you prove it to me that 100% of the money collected in USA for earthquake victims were sent to INDIA and used to BUILD houses?

Can you deny the FACT that the cash balance on DAY's books had been consistently inceasing for over a decade? What is DAY's current cash balance?

Can you tell us who gets the profits made by selling books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs?

Can you deny the FACT that "SHRADHDHA" trust exists and only Athvale family members are sole trustees in this trust?

Can you tell us how many different trusts Swadhyay has and who are the trustees?

Can you tell us how many crores Swadhyay has accumulated in different trusts?

Can you tell us the total value of land, including Bhav-Nirzar land that Swadhyay acquired?

Can you deny the FACT that questions are not allowed in any meetings and if someone dare to ask questions, he or she is intimidated to set an examples so other people do not even dare to ask questions in future?

Can you deny the FACT that brainwashing, manipulation and exploitation have been going on for years?

Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?

Can you deny the FACT that DAY's financial books were NEVER opened for the followers for inspection?

Can you deny the FACT that if someone writes a letter to DAY asking for the detailed information on earthquake donation issue, DAY's attorney replies and denies the request for information?

Can you deny the FACT that Shibirs and camps are used mainly for brainwashing and recruit more volunteers?

Can you deny the FACT that Dada's Putri-Moha is the same as DRUTRASHTRA's Putra-Moha and Dada's act of GADI-PRATHA establishment is fundamentally wrong and is betrayal of trust of unsuspecting followers?

Who pays for Didi's frequent trips overseas every year in summer when it is hot in INDIA?

Can you ADMIT that it is inappropriate that you use poor swadhyayis for FREE MARKETING, I mean LAV-FERI and Didi spends charity money collected as a result of hard work, dedication and bhav-samarpan of poor fellow swadhyayees?

Has Dada ever worked in his life? How did he managed his finances?

Has Didi or her husnabd ever worked? How do they manage their finance?

What kind of business Didi's husband is in?

Can you prove it to us that the drama "TUMHARI-AMRITA" was ever played by swadhyay?

Please answer these questions FIRST in CLEAR TERMS and a STRAIGHT FORWARD manner before I ask many more questions.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 6th, 2006, 10:55am

Thanks Nilesh Sahita and Ravibhai for the expalnation of Bhaav Samarpan
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6th, 2006, 10:57am

"Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?" the Guest Wrote.

Dadaji has said in past (its a paragraph from his book, Pankaj bhai can you please put the link here) to defend himself and fool the poor and uneducated masses. This is how he brain washed them, comparing himself with Ram and Krishna and who ever opposed him or whatever he is doing is a Devil (Raksas). Mr. Pankaj Trivedi's death is result of such a brainwash.

Thanks God the Killers are caught and the truth is out there.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Bhagvan ke gher der hain, Andher nahi....
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Common hindustani on Jul 6th, 2006, 11:11am

Dear Ravi,
I have been follwoing your postings since long. Let me tell you that still justice is not done. Still Jayshree T. is not caught (the devil mind) and she is stillenjoynig loads of money. Please do not say "Bhagwaan ke ghar mainetc etc"""
There is no GOD and nothing happen to corrupt people like Jayshree T. Look at Indian politician ... what happened to them? what happened to Telgi or JAylalita or Laloo Prasad ? They were involved in so many scandals.

So Satyamav Jaytee only works in hindi movies. Well, I still admire all effort you are putting and I wish you good luck ...

With you.
A common Hindustani
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NOT A BLIND FOLLOWER on Jul 6th, 2006, 11:50am

If Didi is innocent, why her Cronies from US are in Ahmedabad and what are they doing over therehuhhuh?

Where in Hinduism it is supported that you perfrom "ASHI-VISARJAN" two years after a person is dead?

How many times this SHOW of ASHI-VISARJAN repeat in future?

Look at the location selected this time for ASHI-VISARJAN, South India as they want to penetrate that part of India now.

There is a striking similarity between how a political party works and how Didi is running Swadhyay. Well, at least in political aprties, there is some level of democracy but in Swadhyay Didi is a DICTATOR.

Political parties also organize SAMMELANS. similar to Didi's KHASTRIYA SAMMELAN.

Why not BRAHMIN SAMMELANhuhhuhhuh? Brahmins are for BALI only, like Late Shri Pankajbhai?

Why not sammelan of Intellectuals, free thinkers, open minded critics?


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Come ON Guys on Jul 6th, 2006, 1:25pm

I am detecting lots of messages from USA and also from India.

Where are the guys from UK

Have they worn 'BANGLES' & SAREES so that they are shy/frightened to come out and express their anger/view/opinion??

Or they think what's happening is all fine as long as it does not affect them.

Come on gyus..........at least ......be brave enough, to expree your solidarity.....

Didi will not kill you by doing so.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6th, 2006, 1:49pm

Dear Vijaybhai,

Someone has been using my name to post article like below to defame me.

As the owner of the forum I trust you will take necessary action to act on it and remove from your forum immediately.

Regards,
- Nilesh

Dear Nileshbhai,
I have posted a clarifying message on that post. Obviously you feel totally differently than the post under your name. If you need we may be able to give you the IP address of that person using your name. Thank you for nice conversation. - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 1:59pm

If he was indeed 'Shahid' - why did he ask for police protection? Did Bhagat Singh ask for police protection?

He was not even a Swadhyayee. His own son admitted that his fater never introduced him to Swadhyay. It is a very known fact that all Swadhyayees encourage their kids to be part of Swadhyay from young age. Pankaj Trivedi was a fake Swadhyayee.

I would have more respect for him if he had lived for establishing an alternate to Swadhyay to show how he can do better than Swadhyay.

He was a reckless character who could not manage his ego in Swadhyay.

Very easy to say "I have seen a Dedh-garoli falling in Doodhpak and it is my duty to spill it" but very difficult to create a new Doodhpak.



on Jul 6th, 2006, 09:13am, Guest-Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai wrote:
Pankajbhai was "Shahid' as per noted thinker Gunvant Shah.

Pankajbhai died because he wanted trusts accounts to be audited by CA association in India.

Why can't Swadhyay be first and put all his accounts for public scrutiny? What do they have to hide or be afraid? Be Nirbhay as Dada said.

I guess you sound proud that Pankajbhai is murdered. But I am not sure if all senior leadership and five guys in jail and many other Khotabhais would agree with you.
This Brahm Hatya has put a spotlight on the operations. And it might open the door for more news to come out. Pankajbhai wanted all to know that he may have to die and in that event all his appeals will become relevent as it did!!!
Gandhiji invited all the foreing media before salt march. What better way to let the world see what goes on. I think Pankajbhai did the right thing by letting everyone know what was going to happen. History will judge him as the true swadhyayee. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Singapori on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:05pm

on Jul 6th, 2006, 1:59pm, Guest-A Swadhyayee wrote:
If he was indeed 'Shahid' - why did he ask for police protection? Did Bhagat Singh ask for police protection?

He was not even a Swadhyayee. His own son admitted that his fater never introduced him to Swadhyay. It is a very known fact that all Swadhyayees encourage their kids to be part of Swadhyay from young age. Pankaj Trivedi was a fake Swadhyayee.

I would have more respect for him if he had lived for establishing an alternate to Swadhyay to show how he can do better than Swadhyay.

He was a reckless character who could not manage his ego in Swadhyay.

Very easy to say "I have seen a Dedh-garoli falling in Doodhpak and it is my duty to spill it" but very difficult to create a new Doodhpak.




A fitting reply! It means that Pankaj was rakshah and he should be removed form the system. A perfect way to fight religious war. Way to go swadhyay! We will learn more such things from swadhyay and thier leaders. way to go! God bless swadhyay
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayi no 1 on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:07pm

Killing Pankaj is not a crime as he was against god's work. We support killers. Law and order ki to aaisi ki taisi
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by N Singa on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:09pm

I
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:21pm

We invite Sachhidanand and his followers to go to each and every household in India.

Swadhyay is strong because strong grassroot network. No other contemporary organization in India has guts to go house to house and share their thoughts.

Sachhidanand is no action talk only. He spoke at Tirthraj Milan in 1986 also - he has seen what Swadhyay has done and how Swadhyay works. But what exactly Sachchidanand has done in last 20/30 years?

Let it be clear - no NGO in India has done any work without begging (donation solicitation) whereas in Swadhyay no one is being asked to ever donate.

In other post someone told that after a while people are indirectly asked to donate - this is pure BULLSHIT. First of all if anyone ever says it is 'Donation' - it is never accepted. Second, only if the person comes to Swadhyay for at least six months then only he is allowed to donate. Thirdly, only if someone specifically asks about how he can help financially - the concept of 'Bhaav Samarpan' is explained and he is allowd to do his 'Bhaav Samarpan'. Fourth - no one is ever reminded about 'Bhaav Samarpan'.

Dadaji had exercised utmost caution re: money matters and all these allegations about financial misappropriations are nothing but BULLSHIT. All Swadhyay trust accounts are filed with Charity Commissioner and anyone can go to Charity Commissioner and ask for it. As for question why these accounts are not published in public - well, this is not required in India and no NGO does it including Swaminarayan. So one can not expect Swadhyay to be doing something that Indian system doesn't expect it to do so.

When I read some of the posts on this forum - it is very clear to me that either some of you have never been to Swadhyay or you have never understood spirit of Swadhyay.

I was in Tamilnadu for whole of last week and I can tell you with my utmost conviction that same Swadhyay spirit that I had seen 25 years ago is still alive. If some people are not able to see it, then it is absolutely and positively because they have never done any Krutibhakti in their life. Go to villages of Tamilnadu, Andhra, Uttaranchal, MP, Rajasthan and not to forget Maharastra / Gujarat where Swadhyay has reached, speak to common folks there and you know what Swadhyay is all about.

30,000 folks from Maharastra and 1,400+ NRIs spent one week in Tamilnadu doing their Krutibhakti.

I invite M/s Sachchidanand & co. to be able to get even 200 people together for one week and spread their message.

There are always people who will not be able to fit into Swadhyay - whether immediately, 5 years or 20 years later. But for every such person there are also people who are in this work for longer time and they know what they are doing. They are doing real work rather than barking on Internet behind anonymous curtain.

Interestingly enough Sachhidanand's 'Chinatan Mandal' was organized at 'Andhjan (Blind) Mandal Auditorium'.
Take care and God bless us all. There will always be blind people in the society who can not see the impact of Swadhyay on lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

This Sachhidanand had never put his skin in Swadhyay and yet he had balls to advice Dadaji in past about how to run Swadhyay etc. Get lost brother - as far as Swadhyay Parivar matter is concerned, Dada / Didi is more qualified you than armchair critic who has achieved nothing in 75 years of his life.

God bless all including Sachhidanand...

on Jul 5th, 2006, 4:38pm, Guest-Rajiv Suratwala wrote:
Nice to see Swami Sachhidanand speaking against Jayshree. Hopefully message will reach faster to common man in India. Lets hope for the best.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dadi on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:27pm

I
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:29pm

Well - no one in Swadhyay want to get anyone killed.

If you have some brain think about it - Pankaj was openly against Swadhyay for long time. Even if you assume that Swadhyay believes in terminating people (which it doesn't) - why it would terminate Pankaj two weeks before the last Archirayan program? Does this make sense to you? It doesn't make sense to me.

At the end of the day - Police should catch the culprits and people found guilty behind this crime should be punished. No one is above law and no one should be allowed to take law into their own hand.

Didi has said very clearly in Rameshwar that Swadhyay Parivar will face this crisis with calm, clear and composed response.

We will do what we like - Pujya Dadaji's work and you do what you can do best - mudslinging.

We know people who had been part of Parivar in the past and are not in the Parivar now are hurt emotionally because having seen how good Swadhyay work is they are not able to join other Baba/Bapu's "equivalent" organization and as they say in Gujarati "Navaro Betho Nakhkhod Wale". But too bad - that is something that you need to figure out.

Bye, bye cheesy

I wonder if your eyes are opened any more after nine staunch swadhyayees behing bar including motabhai Manish Savsani and Bharat Bhatt? Do you think if Ghanshyam Chudasama can lead the police to murder weapon then he must be involved or are you thinking that he had a devine vision and figured out where the murder weapon was? - Vijay Mehta


on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:05pm, Guest-Nilesh Singapori wrote:
A fitting reply! It means that Pankaj was rakshah and he should be removed form the system. A perfect way to fight religious war. Way to go swadhyay! We will learn more such things from swadhyay and thier leaders. way to go! God bless swadhyay

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mangela on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:33pm


Please do not take credit away from swadhyay. 5 swadhyayies killed Pankaj (Rakshah) and they also admitted in front of police and public. So swadhyay must celebrate this victory. swadhyay is the way to go and kill who oppose! Please let swadhyay motabhais take credit for this. and most of these murderers were very close to Didi. Didi used to visit their houses. These are not some random people. Do not discount 10 other incidence of violence. Only thing common among all these victims was they questions the leadership and they were devout members once. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:35pm

Tirthraj Milan in 1976? Hmmm... This proves that you are a fake Swadhyayee....

Take care buddy.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramki on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:38pm

If Didi is innocent, why her Cronies from US are in Ahmedabad and what are they doing over there?

Where in Hinduism it is supported that you perfrom "ASHI-VISARJAN" two years after a person is dead?

How many times this SHOW of ASHI-VISARJAN repeat in future?

Look at the location selected this time for ASHI-VISARJAN, South India as they want to penetrate that part of India now.

There is a striking similarity between how a political party works and how Didi is running Swadhyay. Well, at least in political aprties, there is some level of democracy but in Swadhyay Didi is a DICTATOR.

Political parties also organize SAMMELANS. similar to Didi's KHASTRIYA SAMMELAN.

Why not BRAHMIN SAMMELAN? Brahmins are for BALI only, like Late Shri Pankajbhai?

Why not sammelan of Intellectuals, free thinkers, open minded critics?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by questions for swadhyay on Jul 6th, 2006, 2:39pm

Can you prove it to me that 100% of the money collected in USA for earthquake victims were sent to INDIA and used to BUILD houses?

Can you deny the FACT that the cash balance on DAY's books had been consistently inceasing for over a decade? What is DAY's current cash balance?

Can you tell us who gets the profits made by selling books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs?

Can you deny the FACT that "SHRADHDHA" trust exists and only Athvale family members are sole trustees in this trust?

Can you tell us how many different trusts Swadhyay has and who are the trustees?

Can you tell us how many crores Swadhyay has accumulated in different trusts?

Can you tell us the total value of land, including Bhav-Nirzar land that Swadhyay acquired?

Can you deny the FACT that questions are not allowed in any meetings and if someone dare to ask questions, he or she is intimidated to set an examples so other people do not even dare to ask questions in future?

Can you deny the FACT that brainwashing, manipulation and exploitation have been going on for years?

Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?

Can you deny the FACT that DAY's financial books were NEVER opened for the followers for inspection?

Can you deny the FACT that if someone writes a letter to DAY asking for the detailed information on earthquake donation issue, DAY's attorney replies and denies the request for information?

Can you deny the FACT that Shibirs and camps are used mainly for brainwashing and recruit more volunteers?

Can you deny the FACT that Dada's Putri-Moha is the same as DRUTRASHTRA's Putra-Moha and Dada's act of GADI-PRATHA establishment is fundamentally wrong and is betrayal of trust of unsuspecting followers?

Who pays for Didi's frequent trips overseas every year in summer when it is hot in INDIA?

Can you ADMIT that it is inappropriate that you use poor swadhyayis for FREE MARKETING, I mean LAV-FERI and Didi spends charity money collected as a result of hard work, dedication and bhav-samarpan of poor fellow swadhyayees?

Has Dada ever worked in his life? How did he managed his finances?

Has Didi or her husnabd ever worked? How do they manage their finance?

What kind of business Didi's husband is in?

Can you prove it to us that the drama "TUMHARI-AMRITA" was ever played by swadhyay?

Please answer these questions FIRST in CLEAR TERMS and a STRAIGHT FORWARD manner before I ask many more questions.





Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:11pm

Didi has said very clearly in Rameshwar that Swadhyay Parivar will face this crisis with calm, clear and composed response.

So now we have to wait for another 6 months till everything is organized like Pankajbhai's killing for response.

What is Police doing? Waiting for another murder to happen before catching Didi.
Manish in trouble
Post by Hetal on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:13pm


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayi from Singapore on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:15pm

Nilesh,

Would you please stop this crap of ego...........Every one who left Swadhyay for principles are bad and they have EGO problem and BLIND FOLLOWERS who are still in SWADHYAY are PERFECT. Just look at your leader Didi. Her EGO is even taller than Mount Everest and that even without any knowledge on spirituality.

Is this a result of "ASHMITA-JAGRUTI" efforts?

Or may be Dada was a "PARASMANI" and who ever came in his contact converted in to a egoistic character.

Well, the BLIND FOLLOWER'S BRAIN CELLS ARE DESTROYED so how can they have any EGO or ASHMITA? Didi's cronies like yourself have transformed open minded people into a blind followers for your own selfish motives and now they are acting like a ROBOT.

Your arguments are not only illogical but they are irrational and factually wrong, Nilesh. Be creative and come up with some new lies.

Don't repeat your stupidity again. People have witnessed YOUR TRUE CHARACTER on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS for SWADHYAY. Don't come up with more lies and avoid answering questions.

If you really want to be part of the discussion, ANSWER those questions in a very CLEAR MANNER rather than finding out who is who and indulging in smear campaign and character assissnation.

Let us all hope that Nilesh will be a "good boy" and has learned some manners in last few years.
Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by nagrik samiti on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:15pm

Gujarati Article. Rajkot Nagrik Samiti recommends for government to take over all the charitable trusts and hand over them to common swadhyayees.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by police is with Jayshree on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:20pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news5.html
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sachhidanand on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:20pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news1_02.html
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Trivedi must have been sanctioned by Didi
Post by Mahesh shah on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:21pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news2.html

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Main points of disagreement
Post by Lets talk in open on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:21pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news4.html

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Five areas of contention between Pankaj Trivedi and Didi.
According to Mahesh shah old Swadhyayee and good friend of Pankajbhai there were five main areas of disagreement.
1. If Swadhyay claims to rebuild 40,000 houses, where are this houses. Only 4-5,000 houses were rebuild.
2. Bhav Nirzar is a temple and should be accessible to any devotee.
3. Accounting of various trusts that hold funds from Swadhyay activities. What is the purpose of accumulating wealth?
4. Dada had promised all the money received from Templeton Award to use of Swadhyay activities, why it was diverted to family?
5. Love letters between Ashok Joshi and Didi - both were married at the time of letters.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Archana on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:23pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news7.html

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another foreign trip for Jayshree T ? Let us see if she goes to Gujarat or runs away?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ranjeet on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:25pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news15.html

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Dear Vijaybhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:26pm

FYI ... The "BAHURUPIA" person who assumed more than half a dozen names on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS for SWADHYAY is compalining about someone else using his name...

Herambuster=Trueswadhyayi1=HIRDIP=MukundM=mptshah=Janmohammed2003 just to name a few.

Nilesh, do you want me to post the threatening messages you had posted on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS?

Review of last 50 posts have revealed that
Post # 384, 408, 413 posted under "Paying tribute to Pankajbhai'
Post # 389, 403, 407, 410 posted under Mukesh,
Post # 391 posted under "Indian Citizen"
Post # 385 posted under "Asheet

are likely to be one and the same person according to my webmaster.
Please refrain from posting under different names. I am sure others are doing the same thing. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by The swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:28pm

Dear Brother A SWADHYAYEE(Brain Washed),

Still you want to say police will catch the culprits; police already declared they caught hands and they are looking for Brains....Iam sorry yours already washed out

next she want to face it calmly coz now she cant be able to give threaten or what?

next you cant do whatever you want just see what's happening around.


Bahurupia..
Post by Roma on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:29pm

on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:26pm, Guest-Dear Vijaybhai wrote:
FYI ... The "BAHURUPIA" person who assumed more than half a dozen names on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS for SWADHYAY is compalining about someone else using his name...

Herambuster=Trueswadhyayi1=HIRDIP=MukundM=mptshah=Janmohammed2003 just to name a few.

Nilesh, do you want me to post the threatening messages you had posted on YAHOO PUBLIC GROUPS?


Please post those messages and let people know how nilesh has adopted to swadhyay thoery in real life. Let people know how swadhyay represntative talk to others.

You are also posting under Roma # 445, Ajay Doshi # 446; Rakesh # 447 and Rajesh Parikh # 448!
Why can't you post all that in one post?
- Vijay Mehta,

Jayshree's love letters were not a script
Post by Ajay Doshi on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:35pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news13.html

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Bhagawanano Bhag used for helping criminals
Post by Rakesh on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:38pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news20.html

Swadhyay now fighting in court to save thier people. Kona baap ni diwali? Who will pay to fight the case? They could not use the trust funds for earthquake relief but now to protect Jayshree from going to jail the Swadhyay is spending money like there is no to morrow.

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Hitesh Chudasama goes underground
Post by Rajesh Parikh on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:42pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060707/guj/gujarat/news6.html

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 6th, 2006, 4:13pm

Dear Vijaybhai,

Why two of my last messges were deleted?

Sorry, I can not tell you out of many that were deleted what post urs was. Please send to me at vijayvip@aol.com or post it again. Please make sure to avoid name calling and discussing topics not related to Pankajbhai. Remeber one man is dead and his family and friends do visit this frequently. - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 4:57pm

Is there any internet savvy person who can make sure that articles published by Gujarati Newspapers on "Pankaj Trivedi Murder" comes in search engines, Google, Yahoo, MSN.

There are lot of non-Gujaratis interested in these articles.

Link to Information In English:

http://www.swadhyayee.org/download/EnglishDocs/

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=808&cattype=NEWS

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=809&cattype=NEWS

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=814&cattype=NEWS

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=804&cattype=NEWS


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:01pm

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Re: Bahurupia..
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:05pm

Vijaybhai - thanks for exposing these Bahrupia who has posted messages under different names in your forum.


on Jul 6th, 2006, 3:29pm, Guest-Roma wrote:
Please post those messages and let people know how nilesh has adopted to swadhyay thoery in real life. Let people know how swadhyay represntative talk to others.

You are also posting under Roma # 445, Ajay Doshi # 446; Rakesh # 447 and Rajesh Parikh # 448!
Why can't you post all that in one post?
- Vijay Mehta,

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:12pm

Vijaybhai,

Yes - indeed it was a nice conversation that we had a while ago.

Yes, please send me IP addresses of messages that were posted under my name (I will email you my email address separately).

I will arrange to speak with a US Attorney to see what action I can and should take.

I appreciate your prompt and firm action with respect to this.

To all who are posting messages under my name:

We all live in post 9/11 era and do not think you can not be found out. You have committed act of "Identity Theft" which is a crime and you may have landed yourself into a legal mess without realizing it.

Just remember ignorance is not an excuse and Prison has no broadband service smiley

Regards,
- Nilesh


on Jul 6th, 2006, 1:49pm, Guest-Nilesh Sahita wrote:
Dear Vijaybhai,

Someone has been using my name to post article like below to defame me.

As the owner of the forum I trust you will take necessary action to act on it and remove from your forum immediately.

Regards,
- Nilesh

Dear Nileshbhai,
I have posted a clarifying message on that post. Obviously you feel totally differently than the post under your name. If you need we may be able to give you the IP address of that person using your name. Thank you for nice conversation. - Vijay Mehta




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:39pm

Vijay...you have been doing a great job moderating this discussion board..keep up the good work.

Nilesh, you're quite a tough guy. Threatening lawsuits sometimes works just fine, but remember, the USA is the land of litigation. You're going to contact and pay a US based lawyer to file suit against somebody who posted a single message on an anonymous message board, a message that was nowhere near dangerous? Good luck...

If you have something to say, then say it without making empty threats....oh wait, you probably have already using one of your many alias usernames, since I highly doubt you just started monitoring this thread.




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:50pm

Here are few illegal doing of one of the swadhyayi MOTABHAI Chandrashi Jadeja involved in kiling of Pankaj Trivedi. Can some one translate the into english Please?? Are all so called Motabhai in real Khotabhai?? Where did they learn to snatch land from others? Is this topic included into swadhyay Parivar 101 teachings, or are they doing the same what KAVRAV did 5000 years ago!

As I understand back in June, 1992 There was a prime land in Padadhari. There was 750 Sq ft of prime land. Panchayat voted for 15x10 size cabins. Chandrasinh Jadeja, a Motabhai and Swadhyayi (who now in jail for Pankajbhai’s murder), applied under different names and got the land for 11 months. Now many years later he owns a complex valued at 40 Lakh Rupees!


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6th, 2006, 6:50pm

Dear Unbelievable,

Identity Theft is a crime.

Whoever is committing this crime - stop it or be prepared to face the music.

Let me repeat - post 9/11 - there is no such thing as 'anonymous'. Every thing can be tracked.

My suggestion to Vijaybhai is - please do not allow anonymous posting on this forum. Let people who are willing to write their name and who are willing to stand by what they write participate in this forum.

It will make this forum truly useful and beneficial to everyone.

- Nilesh
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 6th, 2006, 7:11pm

Nilesh,

The only reason most people are posting anonymously is that they don't want the same fate (for themselves and their families) as Pankaj Trivedi or the 10 others.

If the threat of physical or emotional backlash towards my family was not there, I would be the first to use my real name.

P.S Someone posting a message on an anonymous board using your name is not identity theft. Who says there aren't other Nilesh Sahita's out there?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 6th, 2006, 7:35pm

Can we list all trust that were and are operated under "swadyay Parivar" those currently in operation and those closed after filing bankruptcy (in this case the money or land was transfered to another trust owned by the owners of swadhyay parivar main trust or sold for profit). I want the location or the town name where the trust were registered or were just run.

Thanks

Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6th, 2006, 7:46pm

Brother Unbelievable,

I will be more than happy if you can find another Nilesh Sahita in the world smiley

Seriously speaking - posting message on my name is a serious matter and once again I request all indulging in such acts to think carefully before what they do.


on Jul 6th, 2006, 7:11pm, Guest-Unbelievable wrote:
Nilesh,

The only reason most people are posting anonymously is that they don't want the same fate (for themselves and their families) as Pankaj Trivedi or the 10 others.

If the threat of physical or emotional backlash towards my family was not there, I would be the first to use my real name.

P.S Someone posting a message on an anonymous board using your name is not identity theft. Who says there aren't other Nilesh Sahita's out there?

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:28pm



1.How about all the false cases filed against Pankajbhai which your so called 'Parivar' lost and got a stricture from High Court Judge for misusing the system? Any apology or slightest of remorse will show that you have some 'swadhyay' quality left.

2. For moral matters-Dadaji has more standing than anyone else. You are entitled to your opinion. However this is again a characteristic of a typical cult memeber who does not want to see any evil of a person for whom he has been brain-washed.

3.I have spoken to many villagers myself who go to swadhyay and they speak good about everybody who go to them with any religious pretext. That type of ignorance is what makes business of religion thrive in my beloved Gujarat. I have also spoken to villagers who go to Swaminarayan in Gujarat and they do not speak well about Swadhyay.

Today it will be your worth before you open your mouth and go to villages in Gujarat and find out what villagers are talking about Didi and her brand of Swadhyay.

I am only hoping that Gujarat Government does not succumb to greed(as some media have reported that crores of rupees bribes are offered to remove Didi's name from chargesheet) as I am sure that by now they have realized that there is nothing to fear from Didi and her blind faith follower like you.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:45pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Nilesh Sahita on Jul 6th, 2006, 8:59pm

1.How about all the false cases filed against Pankajbhai which your so called 'Parivar' lost and got a stricture from High Court Judge for misusing the system? Any apology or slightest of remorse will show that you have some 'swadhyay' quality left.

Please refer to the statements issued by Swadhyay Parivar in this matter.

2. For moral matters-Dadaji has more standing than anyone else. You are entitled to your opinion. However this is again a characteristic of a typical cult memeber who does not want to see any evil of a person for whom he has been brain-washed.

As I said before you are entitled to your opinion and so are we.

3. I have spoken to many villagers myself who go to swadhyay and they speak good about everybody who go to them with any religious pretext. That type of ignorance is what makes business of religion thrive in my beloved Gujarat. I have also spoken to villagers who go to Swaminarayan in Gujarat and they do not speak well about Swadhyay.

I do not want to go in to Swadhyay v/s Swaminarayan war here. They do what they think is best and we do what we think is best. This may not be zero sum game - may be society needs both.

It is clear to me that you have never put a foot in any Gujarat village in your lifetime. Let me tell you this - Swadhyay message has reached each and every village in Gujarat. Obviously some part of the population has picked it up and some part has not. For those people who are part of Swadhyay Parivar - this latest crisis has not affected them. For those who were not part of Parivar (for whatever reason and we respect their choice) - obviously this has given them one more reason to do so and that is fine with us.

4. Today it will be your worth before you open your mouth and go to villages in Gujarat and find out what villagers are talking about Didi and her brand of Swadhyay.

Do not give me Bull!$#@ of what villagers are talking about, OK? Instead of relying on cheapo Gujju media, it will be worthwhile for you to go to villages and check the situation yourself.

In any case - Swadhyay has never been afraid of what some section of society is talking about.

I remember that even back in 80's also there were Swadhyay Critics and there will always be sections of society which doesn't find Swadhyay acceptable because Swadhyay doesn't allow them to fulfill their personal ego. For e.g. if one goes to Swadhyay and do Swadhyay work for 10/20 years - no where his/her name is mentioned on the stage but even if someone give $1,000/- to local community, they are happy to announce his/her name on the stage. To some people this (prestige) gives more gratification than path that Dadaji has shown - and they should follow the path according to their level of development/understanding.

In Swadhyay one has to sublime their ego and work with everyone in the Yagniya spirit which is not everyone's cup of tea.

5. I am only hoping that Gujarat Government does not succumb to greed(as some media have reported that crores of rupees bribes are offered to remove Didi's name from chargesheet) as I am sure that by now they have realized that there is nothing to fear from Didi and her blind faith follower like you.

Hmmm.... crores of rupees bribes offered to remove Didi's name from chargesheet? Are you nuts? Do you think Indian state machinery and judiciary is Timbuktu state?

You can call me blind faith follower and I can call you blind faith critic and we can keep doing this namecalling until cows come home. I suspect you have not met many people who are in Swadhyay and you like to believe all of us in Swadhyay are because of blind faith follower. Well... I leave it for your wisdom to decide and in any case I and our Swadhyayees do not care about your certificate anyway.

I have said enough about what I wanted to stay and I am going to be away for few days. If time permitting I may revisit this forum after few days / weeks.

Thank you and May God bless us all.

Jay Yogeshwar.

PS - Vijaybhai once again thanks for your help. I have emailed you separately.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 6th, 2006, 9:06pm

Nileshbhai,

How about all the false cases filed against Pankajbhai which your so called 'Parivar' lost and got a stricture from High Court Judge for misusing the system? Any apology or slightest of remorse will show that you have some 'swadhyay' quality left.

Please refer to the statements issued by Swadhyay Parivar in this matter.

Before you go away for few days/weeks, Pl. post these statements by Swadhyay Parivar.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by OO7 on Jul 6th, 2006, 9:39pm

Does anyone know where is Jayshree Talwarkar? She was in Tamilnadu and supoosed to go to Gujarat. Is she going? It is raining hard here so I feel she may not come. I think she should make another foreign trip grin grin grin grin grin grin
you Dont know anything
Post by Kamal on Jul 6th, 2006, 11:37pm

dear Vijaybhai,

Just read below whatever you have posted......

Five areas of contention between Pankaj Trivedi and Didi.
According to Mahesh shah old Swadhyayee and good friend of Pankajbhai there were five main areas of disagreement.
1. If Swadhyay claims to rebuild 40,000 houses, where are this houses. Only 4-5,000 houses were rebuild.
2. Bhav Nirzar is a temple and should be accessible to any devotee.
3. Accounting of various trusts that hold funds from Swadhyay activities. What is the purpose of accumulating wealth?
4. Dada had promised all the money received from Templeton Award to use of Swadhyay activities, why it was diverted to family?
5. Love letters between Ashok Joshi and Didi - both were married at the time of letters


This is the proof that you dont know about Swadhyay. Why are wasting your time here. (see No.5)

Here, 99 % men (?) are against swadhyay. only 1% used to read you 'Bakvas' forum. and by your forum , 'Kai tuti sakvana nathi' (nothing will break). We have no any effects by your 'bakvas' . Anybody can understand You are all FAKE swadhyayee. Everybody from you tries to draw out Ego.

Brothers, Just stop this 'bakvas' and go to Indian Village and see the spirit of swadhyay, result of the swadhyay.

The aim of this forum is only to show Ego.

By your all post anybody can understand you are most egotistic.

You are only barking. and remember barking dog never hurt you.
Dear Kamal,
The five contention I have listed is from that article for those who can not read Gujarati.
This is the forum to discuss the Murder of Pankajbhai and assult (beating up) of more than 12 people. If you think this is Bakwas than we hope you wont come here anymore.
This 'ego' line is getting old as is the 'asking the people from village.' Ask the people from Padadhari who found out that one of the murder has a 40 lacs complex on land obtained illegally and he was a motabhai close to Didi.
Even if you have done everything you claim to do, that does not justify killing of maiming anyone disagreeing with you.
Many years ago, there were more than 700 people killed by Jim Jones in Guana, and few years ago 87 people burned to death in Waco. Texas. All these followers had what they thought God leading them. Of course he lead them to death. History is full of people who thought they had a Godly leader only to find out the truth later on. Sometimes too late!
We are simply curious - just as any good God loving Swadhyayee would be - what happened to 40,000 new houses that were to be built. Can anyone give us the address?
Why with every passing day more and more motabhai in India are found to be corrupt and using public land and money for their own purpose?
If the Swadhyay was as strong and pious as you guys claim why it did not stop Motabhai's (Khotabhai) from committing fraud, theft, assult and violence?
We are not interested in harming Swadhyayee movement but we are interested in giving a voice to those who want to speak up. Apprently speaking up in Swadhyay has dire consequenses.
'Kai Tuti Sakawana Nathi" line was used by Manishbhai who is enjoying the hospitality of prison system for past two weeks, it was used by these five goons who thought they had to commit murder to protect Swadhyay. If the movement is good it does not need any Gujdagiri to protect it. It should not need any Dhamaki and Dadagiri. It should not be afraid to listen to dissenting voices. Unfortunately, so far anyone speaking against party line has been threatened and punished.
Like it or not .. Pap no Dhado Futi Gayo Chhe. There comes a time when your sin catches up with you.
Good Bye and go find another forum where you can sing virtues of Didi and others - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got to Be Kidding on Jul 7th, 2006, 02:38am

Kamal, are you serious?

The truth doesn't really matter anymore - ego would drive one to prove that they are right. Do you really think it matters whether Pankaj Trivedi was correct or whether Didi is guilty of conspiring to kill him?

The damage is done. Over done.

Didi is hiding, Swadhyay is telling everyone around the world what to say, people are relating the situation with other religious wars likening Swadhyay to Krishna and Ram, the Pankaj Trivedi crowd is saying everything negative about Didi and Dada that they can come up with.

We are just going to sit around and whine that "you are a barking dog" or that "you don't know the truth" or that "Didi must be innocent" WHY? so that we can feel like we didn't waste our life by going to Swadhyay?

Yes, Swadhyay has been a tremendous influence in villages. By recognizing that the Swadhyay organization isn't perfect and that Didi may have flaws in her ability to lead, we are not reducing the value of Swadhyay.

This is not "all or nothing"

But the very fact that intelligent people are not willing to look at facts that suggest how desperate Swadhyay is to be in control shows us exactly how ridiculous Swadhyay is becoming.

Don't be a loyalist to the people, be a loyalist to the idea.

Respecting free speech is important, and the only 'bakvas' around here are those who believe everything they hear from Swadhyay as something that cannot be questioned.

I agree. If there is gangrene of the foot and you realize that foot is beyond repair. You must amputate the foot to save the rest of the body. Vast majority of Swadhyay is great. But if the gangrene is allowed to spread the bacteria and poison to rest of the body the whole body may suffer.
This forum is to encourage everyone who loves Swadhyay to constructively think and speak as to what are the different option the gangrene can be cured. What can be done so that few bad apples do not use name, fame and power of Swadhyay for their selfish reason. The way many of motabhai (khotabhai) have used their connection to Swadhyay will open eyes of many. Only thru ope dialogue a new more powerful movement will emerge. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 04:57am

True Believers or so called brain washed swadhyayi,

There is no way to educate true believers. They judge information by whether it agrees with what they already believe. (And this of course is by definition prejudice.) The right-wing of conservatism continues to provide true believers, and Political Correctness has given us a new generation of true believers. Islam is another prime example of true believers.....

None of these people want anyone to know what prejudice is. This is why prejudice is no longer talked about or taught to swadhyayee although they hear ad nauseum about racism. And since students are taught to reject the concept of evidence, and fooled in the name of GOD.

I was born and raised in a small village in Gujarat, so I know the psychology of poor and uneducated villagers. Most of them dont even know the meaning of psychology, their brains are been hijacked by mastermind Sadhu's and Dadaji's (grandfather's or big brother's) or Bhai's. Even if we get rid of dadaji's(grandfather's or big brother's) ideas off their mind there is another Didi(sister) or kaka(uncle) ready to take his place.

Read the Paragraph below its from swadhyay.org
http://swadhyay.org/krishi.htm

"It is the practice of collective farming of a single field (normally of three to five acres taken from poor villagers in the name of GOD transfered the land into trusts name and sold later, most of the farms used for "yogeshwar krishi" are sold, and poor villagers dont even know where the money has gone to) in a village by the villagers who each offer devotional labour, possibly for one or two days per cropping season. The resulting crop belongs to no one except God."

Which GOD?? Who is GOD?? Where the money goes?? and above all you canot ask questions to GOD, let him do whatever he wants to.

Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 7th, 2006, 05:24am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 02:38am, Guest-You Have Got to Be Kidding wrote:
Kamal, are you serious?


Yes, Swadhyay has been a tremendous influence in villages. By recognizing that the Swadhyay organization isn't perfect and that Didi may have flaws in her ability to lead, we are not reducing the value of Swadhyay.

This is not "all or nothing"

But the very fact that intelligent people are not willing to look at facts that suggest how desperate Swadhyay is to be in control shows us exactly how ridiculous Swadhyay is becoming.

Don't be a loyalist to the people, be a loyalist to the idea.



Wow...I cannot agree with you more..these paragraphs probably are the best written and to the point of any other message that exists in this thread. Again....Wow.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 7th, 2006, 05:28am

GUYS I WANT YOU TO DISCUSS IT HERE TOO, LET THE WORLD KNOW THE SINS...

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewforum.pbs?f=152

RAVI PATEL
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 05:48am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 05:28am, Guest-RAVI PATEL wrote:
GUYS I WANT YOU TO DISCUSS IT HERE TOO, LET THE WORLD KNOW THE SINS...

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewforum.pbs?f=152

RAVI PATEL


I think you have what is termed an unhealthy fixation. Where you not even good enough to become a krutishil ? was bhavpheri too daunting for you ?

Its not even about pankajbhai for you is it ?
Its more to do with pushing your own personnel crusade. Its all to abudnatley clear theres some thing missing in your life.


May you find peace if not in this life than the next.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by reality on Jul 7th, 2006, 06:11am

Hi,

It is not like that nobody know about Didi.

But, Lac of people still in Swadhyay. Why ?

They are not blind follower.

The reality is, Everybody from Swadhyay is Selffish.

Everybody sees their developement under swadhyay.

They dont care about your coments, they dont care about DIDI, they want to remain in swadhyay.

We know what is the foundation of this quarral, Two love letter.

TJust a few minutes ago you posted as Kamal and thought this forum is a Bakwas and now you can not keep away form it? Come and write here again? Why dont you go back to your prayers?
No you do not see anything. Foundation of quarrel is that many people dedicated their Tan Man and Dhan for a very long time thinking that Dada & Didi were embodiment of virtues and knowledge and decent human beings. They started suspecting otherwise, they started asking questions. That lead to "How dare you ask any question."
So same Pankajbhai who was addressed as a captain by Dada lovingly became a Rakshash.
Pankajbhai was not to be intimidated. He knew that there might be danger pursueing truth. He kept questioning, kept wanting Bhav Nirzar Mandir for all devotees. He must be getting close to the nerve center so after five years few people decided to kill him. He became such a big threat from nuisance.
Now that there is so much light on every aspect of Swadhyay, many of facts are coming out such as the Hitesh had illegally seized prime land in Padadhri and made a complex there worth 40 Lacs. You think his position as Motabhai helped him get this?

I hope you would not waste your time with all this Bakwas and people with ego!!!
Jai Yogeswar - Vijay Mehta












Then what ??????
Post by Kamal on Jul 7th, 2006, 06:29am

Yes, You are right and Didi may be wrong, then what huh?

you u believe Didi is killer and must be arrested and send to jail. Then what huhhuh


Re: Then what ??????
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 06:34am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 06:29am, Guest-Kamal wrote:
Yes, You are right and Didi may be wrong, then what huh?

you u believe Didi is killer and must be arrested and send to jail. Then what huhhuh



then the healing begins, by looking back at what is wrong on a national and kendra level. What the key elements that worked and which were good what they were and going back to them and refocusing on them.

The only way forward now is for Mrs talwaker to resign and then let people answer the finacial questions. Before moving forward. If that happens the parviar will be in a much stronger place in years to come.

As long as Mrs Talwaker is the head, these matters will keep cropping up and taking focus away from the actual good that the parivar does.

Didi must step down or come to terms that she is holding back the parivar. Resign resign resign......
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:08am

Dear Nileshbhai,

Before you go away for few days/weeks, Pl. post these statements by Swadhyay Parivar.

I believe your motabhai ( in a typical cult style) have asked you to stay away for few weeks as from whatI read in Akila, Didi and her 27 cronies are in big trouble.

Honestly, I think, Nileshbhai you are a good person but like many others still in Swadhyay you are too shocked at the turn of events on Pankajbhai's killing and finding Parivar members involved in it.
Jayshree finds out being a 'Don' has downside
Post by Ramki on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:41am

Jayshree loses sleep.. Will she be spending time in big house? Would government have guts to put noose around her neck?

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DADA was a 'Don' too but no one knew it!
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:41am

Dada was a smart manipulator and he spared no effort to crash any opposition during his life time. He had perfected the technique of Sham - Dam -Dand - Bhed and anyone trying to question him was swiftly given punishment that no one else would even dare repeat the mistake.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by GUEST on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:46am

We all should be focusing on the THE REAL ISSUES here.
Lets make sure that Late Pankajbhai's sacrifice does not go in vein.

I know that Swadhyayi people will not answer any questions in an HONEST and STARIGH FORWARD manner but they always try to use tactics such as "personal attacks", "character assasination", "lies",
"abusive language" etc to derail the discussion so these questions can be avoided.

Can you prove it to me that 100% of the money collected in USA for earthquake victims were sent to INDIA and used to BUILD houses?

Can you deny the FACT that the cash balance on DAY's books had been consistently inceasing for over a decade? What is DAY's current cash balance?

Can you tell us who gets the profits made by selling books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs?

Can you deny the FACT that "SHRADHDHA" trust exists and only Athvale family members are sole trustees in this trust?

Can you tell us how many different trusts Swadhyay has and who are the trustees?

Can you tell us how many crores Swadhyay has accumulated in different trusts?

Can you tell us the total value of land, including Bhav-Nirzar land that Swadhyay acquired?

Can you deny the FACT that questions are not allowed in any meetings and if someone dare to ask questions, he or she is intimidated to set an examples so other people do not even dare to ask questions in future?

Can you deny the FACT that brainwashing, manipulation and exploitation have been going on for years?

Can you deny the FACT that fabricated stories are feed to the innocent followers to potray Athvale as an "AVATAR"?

Can you deny the FACT that DAY's financial books were NEVER opened for the followers for inspection?

Can you deny the FACT that if someone writes a letter to DAY asking for the detailed information on earthquake donation issue, DAY's attorney replies and denies the request for information?

Can you deny the FACT that Shibirs and camps are used mainly for brainwashing and recruit more volunteers?

Can you deny the FACT that Dada's Putri-Moha is the same as DRUTRASHTRA's Putra-Moha and Dada's act of GADI-PRATHA establishment is fundamentally wrong and is betrayal of trust of unsuspecting followers?

Who pays for Didi's frequent trips overseas every year in summer when it is hot in INDIA?

Can you ADMIT that it is inappropriate that you use poor swadhyayis for FREE MARKETING, I mean LAV-FERI and Didi spends charity money collected as a result of hard work, dedication and bhav-samarpan of poor fellow swadhyayees?

Has Dada ever worked in his life? How did he managed his finances?

Has Didi or her husnabd ever worked? How do they manage their finance?

What kind of business Didi's husband is in?

Can you prove it to us that the drama "TUMHARI-AMRITA" was ever played by swadhyay?

Please answer these questions FIRST in CLEAR TERMS and a STRAIGHT FORWARD manner before I ask many more questions.


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Post by motabha on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:54am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:51am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:
so whats the point of asking ? . unless you happen to like the sound of your own voice, like some sort of broken record.


Great reply. As per swadhyay policy, we do not answer real questions but confuse people by telling rubbish.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 7th, 2006, 07:59am

Can you deny the FACT that swadhyay Motabhai's in Gujarat and Maharashtra were bain washed by Dada and Didi, who filed false cases in court against Pankaj Trivedi and others trying to expose the Land/Money making scandal Dadaji started in the name of GOD. Ultimately, resulted into death of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi by few swadhyayi's who were made to think they were doing God's deed. Whats different between Islamic Jihad and swadhyayi Jihad??

If the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi are compared to Mohmmad Atta (and others) who flew into WTC in new York, Swadhyayi leaders are no less then Osama Bin Ladin.

Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
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Post by Hindustani on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:01am

I agree with you. I hope swadhyay leaders will get punished by law. Lets see.
cover up to protect Bharat Bhatt
Post by RAVI PATELS DADA on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:02am

Murderers are hiding their whereabouts to protect big wigs in Swadhyay. Now that they have already admitted to committing murder why are they not telling the truth as to where exactly they all were in hours preceding the murder. Police strongly suspect they are trying to cover up big wigs in Swadhyay who apparently met them to give final instructions.

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:13am

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:15am

on Jul 6th, 2006, 1:25pm, Guest-Come ON Guys wrote:
I am detecting lots of messages from USA and also from India.

Where are the guys from UK

Have they worn 'BANGLES' & SAREES so that they are shy/frightened to come out and express their anger/view/opinion??

Or they think what's happening is all fine as long as it does not affect them.

Come on gyus..........at least ......be brave enough, to expree your solidarity.....

Didi will not kill you by doing so.



Well if they are wearing bangals and sarees, they are alsready expressing themselves you muppet
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:24am

Who are Yatin Oza and Reshmi jani? trying to defend the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Are they Brain wahed swadhyayi or mean lawyers wanting more money? See what the killers have to say "we are innocent, we are into police's trap only because of our negative image from the media"

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:30am

Yatin Oza is lawyer by profession and a politician by brain. I guess he is trying to defend the killers in order to get voted from swadhyayi's. He has already shown his way of politics by jumping from BJP to Congress...

http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/nov/28guj.htm

Also he is known as "Giant Killer" How appropriate for a lawyer to be known as Giant Killer and defend most famous murderers! - Vijay Mehta
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:31am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:24am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
Who are Yatin Oza and Reshmi jani? trying to defend the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Are they Brain wahed swadhyayi or mean lawyers wanting more money? See what the killers have to say "we are innocent, we are into police's trap only because of our negative image from the media"

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Well the police caving into solving a crime as quickly as they can due to media pressure never ever happens. Well not in your world. As long as the mob gets justice ..who cares about civil liberties....damn human rights....just put someone in jail and make us feel safe in our homes.




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hindustani on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:33am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:30am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
Yatin Oza is lawyer by profession and a politician by brain. I guess he is trying to defend the killers in order to get voted from swadhyayi's. He has already shown his way of politics by jumping from BJP to Congress...

http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/nov/28guj.htm


I thought killers of Pankaj Trivedi already admitted crime. I saw it on TV. Now what happened?
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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:39am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:33am, Guest-Hindustani wrote:
I thought killers of Pankaj Trivedi already admitted crime. I saw it on TV. Now what happened?


they admitted to the crime under duress
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Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:40am

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on Today at 09:30am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:Yatin Oza is lawyer by profession and a politician by brain. I guess he is trying to defend the killers in order to get voted from swadhyayi's. He has already shown his way of politics by jumping from BJP to Congress...

http://www.rediff.com/election/2002/nov/28guj.htm



I thought killers of Pankaj Trivedi already admitted crime. I saw it on TV. Now what happened?

May be the lawyer defend them did not see it!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by ravi patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:49am

"they admitted to the crime under Pressure"

May be they Murdered Mr. Pankaj Trivedi under Pressure, they might have not even knew that they were actually killing him.

Thanks
-Ravi
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Post by Hindustani on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:52am

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Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 7th, 2006, 09:00am

on Jul 7th, 2006, 08:52am, Guest-Hindustani wrote:
May be killers realised mistake they made and now talking as lawyer told them. Lets wait and watch now what happen next. I am sure Jayshree is keeping close watch on this case.


Well lets see the next time your beaten into a making a confession, lets see how strong your resolve is. kiss The police through their own incompetnace may have screwed up the case big time.
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Chitralekha on Jul 7th, 2006, 09:07am

I read inChitralekha too about corruption and misuse of power in swadhyay. Now atleast follwing media has written about swadhyay case and exposed them

1> Aarpar
2> Gujarat Samachar
3> Akila
4> mumbai Samachar
5> sandesh
6> Times Of India
7> Divya Bhaskar
8> Zee TV

Lets see if swadhyay leaders decide to take any action against them.
Root cause of this evil was the greatman himself
Post by Chitralekha on Jul 7th, 2006, 09:13am

Chitralekha did an expose of Swadhyay back in July 2002. Documenting as to what was going on behind the closed doors, how Dada transferred millions of rupees to his adopted daughter and suddenly all those long time dedicated Swadhyayees like Mahesh Shah and Rudhani etc became a target of 'hate campaign' Even Chitralekha took a big risk of standing up to the big bully. Link may not work, please see the images posted

http://www.chitralekha.com/content/Friday1.asp#3

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http://www.chitralekha.com/content/Friday1.asp#1

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 7th, 2006, 10:09am

1. People listed by Pankajbhai as potential killers are banned by court, not to leave India. Is this true?
2. Manish Savsani is in Jail. Does anybody have his photo behind the bars in Jail uniform?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sunil on Jul 7th, 2006, 10:28am

Check all the preachings of DADA & analyse his acts you will find them exactly opposite.So there are no opponents of DADA as he himself is his biggest opponent.
All the procedures of funds collection are devised ,applied & followed up by DADA why to blame DIDI onlyhuh
Before this present crises in DADA's reggime people like Haribhai Kothari,Dayhabhai Jani,Manibhai Amin etc. were tortured, threatened & excommunicated.They were called asuras & were also beaten by the then blind followers of DADA.

DADA is the mastermind behind all false stories like Japan Conference,Invitation of Mr.Compton,Vinoba etc.

He had copied other's books (Hindunche Samajrachna Shastra,Gita Tatwa Vimarsh,Geeta Purusharthprabhodini,Geeta Pravachans by Vinoba,Kuransar etc.He copied it To To but never mentioned their Names (Krudanyatahuh?) but the blind swadhyayi is forced to say after the Chintanika that all the thoughts are of DADA & nothing is mine.

So dear open your eyes, study the history, find out why all the old vetrens have left Swadhyaya.

If you want to continue Swadhaya nobody can stop you because Swadhyaya is Study of self & is not owened by greedy Athawales.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 11:28am

Sunil says.. "DADA is the mastermind behind all false stories like Japan Conference,Invitation of Mr.Compton,Vinoba etc."

I Truely agree with Sunil, not only that but some followers say that his leg was 300 years old and he is Avtar of Krishna.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got to Be Kidding on Jul 7th, 2006, 11:49am


Let us all take a step back for a second and wonder what we are out to do:

(1) Do we want Didi to admit to all of these things? Would that make everything better?

(2) Do we want all of the Swadhyay leadership to resign? Is that possible? All of these years we beamed about Swadhyay's structure-less structure and now that we don't like the way it works we scream treason?

(3) Do we want Swadhyay to disappear? Would that make us feel like we succeeded in bringing something down that was making us feel down?

Trying to make everyone believe that Didi is awful and she has cronies (who are intelligent people) is just as ignorant as what you fight.

Trying to make it seem like Pankaj Trivedi and crew are ideal martyrs is also just as ignorant - they don't have a spotless record of integrity in the language or methods they use.

Is it true that things in Swadhyay's operations and governance should be better? Absolutely.

Whether directly responsible or not, is Didi responsible? If a good leader, she should feel so (even if she has nothing to do with it).

Is all of Swadhyay a big hoax? Of course not. Use your own brain, you weren't duped by going to Swadhyay - you just feel like it now.

It is our philosophy as much as it is Didis or anyone else. Step and say something useful that we keep the best of Swadhyay intact and the worst of Swadhyay less damaging.








Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 7th, 2006, 11:51am

Avtar Of Krishna?
I think people should know the facts re" Kusumbahen" and "Kum kum Pagla"
Lord Krishna was known for paltonic love and not...............
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got To be Kidding on Jul 7th, 2006, 11:58am


Irish Robin Hood:

All confessions in India come with a beating; police brutality is tolerated and acceptable, it is not an excuse for a technicality to make it seem like this was a conspiracy.

Would a technicality vindicate Swadhyay/Swadhyayees from being party to the conflict with Pankaj Trivedi?

It doesn't matter whether they killed him or not. Say he was still alive: Is it acceptable to you that Swadhyayees wanted him dead?

Is it acceptable to you that die hard Swadhyayees will do anything (including deferring their own intellect) to prove Swadhyay's innocence? Are we puppets?

The problem isn't his murder, it is the escalation and obsession with this conflict that is ruining the essence of Swadhyay.




One more kendra is closed
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 12:53pm

Aaradhana School in Amadawad shuts down the Swadhyay at their property. They had given permission to conduct Swadhyay meeting under impression that it was for a good cause but after the arrest of several of prominent leaders they have decided not to allow Swadhyay meeting at their place. Article in Gujarati.

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060708/guj/gujarat/news3.html

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Shocking report by auditors..
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 12:55pm

Suryakant Mehta Institute of Charter Accounting has revealed sensational and damaging information.
They were auditors for project "Matsya Gandha" Basically there are four trusts under this project - Arnav Mandir, Agasti Pujan, Ratnakar Pujan, Arnan Pujan.

Matsya Gandha Project was started with a vision of upliftment of fisherman community. Expert fisherman and women were to work on fishing boat and the income generated was to be used for loan and scholarship of fisherman community. It was said that there will be 100 boats for this purpose.
But the real fact is..
There is not a SINGLE fishing boat under the name of any of these trusts. All fishing boats are under the name of one person (Swadhyay leader) and he is using them as his personal property. Not a single instance of loan or scholarship is evident in any of the four trusts. All these fishing boats are being used as commercial properteis but they have not paid any income tax.
They found no evidence of any prior audit of any of these trusts and if it was audited there is no evidence of any publication of it.
On Feb 27, 2004 it was announced at Tatognan Vidyapith after the Aarti that " We have 100 boats in Arabian sea in Gujarat and Maharashtra, in one more year we shall have 100 more."
Not a single trust has shown any income from fishing.
Charity commissioner, tax authorities and general public are entitled to know
Whose name are all these boats under?
What is the registration numbers?
Where is the office?
Who if anyone has audited accounts and where has it been filed?
Partial translation of sensation article in Gujarati. - Vijay Mehta

So it seems like poor fisherman thought they were helping community by fishing to help scholarship for their community but they were helping some Motabhai?

For full article in Gujarati go to:

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060708/guj/national/anu.html

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Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 2:56pm

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/c1.pdf

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/marinajare.pdf

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/c2.pdf

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/c3.pdf

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/c4.pdf

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/kankarichalo.pdf

http://www.aarpar.com/web%20246/pdf/newsium.pdf
Shrutiben's Interview
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 3:11pm

Pl. read Shrutiben's interview on Sandesh. When you are a victim of Mafia, victims often choose to stay quiet rather than seek justice. Same way Shrutiben and Himanshu did not have the courage to stand up and ask for justice. How much fear they must have to control their anger and frustration. This gives you some idea of what Swadhyay is as seen by those who really know it.

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Didi is the mastermind behind the murder - Shah
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 3:24pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Amit on Jul 7th, 2006, 5:05pm

Does any one have recorded interview of Didi which was aired on Star/DirecTV? I was asked by one swadhyayi to record today but I don't have STAR/DirecTV.
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Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 5:47pm

Translation of Didi's ( with two D's) interview on Star TV as given on Akila:

1. Me and Swadhyay Parivar is sorrowed by Pankaj Trivedi's death! However as matter is in court she refused to say anything more!

It is a brutal murder and we all know you ordered it.

2. Love letters are part of drama script.

Sure! You must be a very relaxed person to write drama script than to worry about how to instill 'sanskars' in millions of people.

3. Swadhyay Parivar have not lost its cool in spite of many incidents.

Sure! You never expected such a back-lash from Society and Media. It is not coolness! You have become speechless.

4. All our accounts are audited and hence there is no financial irregularities.

Sounds like audited accounts of 'Enron' to me!

5. I am not President of Parivar. I am part of it.

Sure. The same way Dawood is part of 'D' gang.

6. Swadhyayees are showing tremondous patience and unity.

They all are so shell -shocked. Because of her they are branded Goonda-Parivar by Sacchidanand. What unity she is talking about? That Swadhyayees are not talking against her? It is a false assumption.

The way she has spoken smells of 'understanding' between Gujarat Government and her.

Well, she can escape Gujarat Government but she will not escape God's anger for killing an innocent man.



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Post by Unbelievable on Jul 7th, 2006, 5:55pm

So true...karma's a b**ch, as they say...
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Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 7th, 2006, 6:52pm

The way she has spoken smells of 'understanding' between Gujarat Government and her.

Well, she can escape Gujarat Government but she will not escape God's anger for killing an innocent man.

Aagee agee deekho hota hain kya.....

I cheated on you,
YOU cheated on me
I can't believe we are still together,
how can this be?

I suppose to leave you,
you suppose to leave me.
But cheating on eachother didn't set us free.
Now we are here, screwing everybody.
No it doesn't hurt and we don't mind,
cuz that what they say, Beliving is blind.
So you honestly think this is true SWADHYAY or
just a MASS MOVEMENT? Beacause cheating on
eachother really proves alot.


-PUJYA DIDIJI
Heat is on!!!
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 7th, 2006, 7:02pm

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27 Motabhai's have been served summons. They had filed identical wrongful cases against Pankajbhai. Police is suspecting higher up in Swadhyay behind the murder.


Amadawad: Ex Swadhyay member Bhupendra Patel has written a letter to Chief High Court Judge and demanded justice. If not on Aug 1e has sent a copy of this letter to President of India, The prime minister, Ch he will start "fast until death" at Income Tax Circle.
Hief minister of Gujarat, Chief justice of supreme court of India and Governer of Gujarat.
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Based on the sensational information obtained from five people so far arrested f
or Pankajbhai's murder Police commissioner and DCP has met with Home Minister of Gujarat. On other hand rumors are flying that Didi might be on verge of getting a notice. Didi was said to have given a speech at Madhav Baugh in Mumbai on Friday July 7th.
27 Motabhai's in Gujarat have been told not to leave the country. (partial translation)


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Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 7th, 2006, 7:20pm


Mukhda Dekh Le DIDI jara darpan main......

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/pVm7Q6IxUt.As1NMvHdW/

The Greatest swadhyayi of all time.... Every swadhyayi musty listen this.

God Bless Us all.......

Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

To listen more songs from this great swadhyayi click this...

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/29/s/album.5581/
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 7:46pm

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_03.asp

Didi's show of Power. Will Gujarat Government be scared?

Didi said 'We need to continue Manushya Gaurav Work'.

Is she planning to make more people 'Krantikari' and 'Shahid' like Pankajbhai?

When will Police take action?
US Based Swadhyayee speaks...
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 7th, 2006, 7:54pm

US based swadhyayi blasts Gujarat Global in defense of Parivar

2006-06-27 23:50:54
Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

For last couple of days we have been receiving number of e mails and telephone calls about the activities of Swadhyay Parivar, both for and against. A day before, we received a letter which shows the approach of those who claim that there is nothing wrong with the Parivar and it is being wrongly dragged into a controversy involving the murder of a swadhyayi, Pankaj Trivedi.

We have nothing to say since the tone and tenor of the letter shows prejudiced and parochial approach which is very characteristic of followers of sects. What we have reported is already on our website. But to claim that only loyalists know the truth is to give a go by progressive and open minded outlook which is necessary for the healthy growth of anyone whether an individual or an organization.

We would like to quote Osho to describe the situation of the followers "In thousands of years we have made Gautam Buddha, the Buddha, Christ a Christian, but we have remained same!" Deification of a person or organization leads only to hypocrisy and all other associated evils. Here is an e mail Shreyas Patel of Bank of America Charlotte NC USA has sent to me the editor ofwww.gujaratglobal.com.


Since the death of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi you have published articles blaming and defaming the entire Swadhyaya Parivaar. You have not tried to verify your information or print it objectively. One would expect a newspaper to print only facts and not unduly prejudge. You have not taken into account a clean track record of Swadhyaya work and its service to people. Your articles have hurt all the members of Swadhyaya Parivaar and we are pained to understand the motive behind this. I am submitting this response aimed at answering some of the questions and clarifying facts.

Swadhyaya is a spiritual movement founded by Rev. Pandurang Shastri Athavale, fondly known as "Dadaji", which means elder brother. Born in 1920, Dadaji took a resolve to uplift human life through the means of self-introspection ('Swadhyaya'). He looked deeply into the problems that plague humanity. He noted that these problems were the result of alienation of man from his creator. His solution to these inherent issues, therefore, included the concept that we are all sons and daughters of the same god. Hence the Swadhyaya philosophy and work are based upon the belief that god is present in each of us and we are, as a result, related by this divine relationship. Dadaji has coined this concept as "the brotherhood of man under the fatherhood of God"; hence it is indeed a parivaar, a family, which now includes tens of millions.

It strongly emphasizes dignity of all human beings. It transcends the boundaries of caste, creed, and religion. It welcomes anyone to join unconditionally, without any membership requirements, and it allows any member the total freedom to leave at any time. It has brought about a multifaceted revolution encompassing all aspects of human life; these include spiritual, social, economical, emotional, and political elements. Dadaji calls this the five-colored revolution. This is a peaceful revolution that has been described by a prominent educator as "a silent yet singing revolution". It does not support, encourage or condone any violence. It has never solicited any money nor has it accepted funds from anyone who is not an active member.

Dadaji and Didiji have always preached and practiced love and unity of all. They have never sought any recognition, prestige or awards. Swadhyaya work has been studied by many research scholars, economists, politicians, and social thinkers. The United Nations (UN) has also taken a keen interest in this work. Many laurels and awards have been given to Dadaji and Didiji from around the globe, including the Sir John Templeton Award for Progress in Religion, the Ramon Magsaysay Award from the Phillipines, and the noteworthy Padma Vibhushan title from the government of India.

Dadaji single-handedly started his work by visiting the entire Indian subcontinent, along with many other areas of the world. It has transformed countless lives in tens of thousands of villages in India. Dadaji worked incessantly through his demise, which occurred in late 2003. During all these years of work, as Dadaji went from "heart-to-heart" and "hut-to-hut" in thousands of villages of India, Mrs. Dhanashree Talwalkar, Dadaji's daughter, was his constant companion. With her own efforts, love, and dedication, she has become the heart and soul of the "Swadhyaya parivaar". In his later years, Dadaji delegated the full responsibility of his work to Mrs. Talwalkar, affectionately known as "Didiji", which means "elder sister".

Unfortunately, when Dadaji delegated Didiji to take on the responsibility of the massive Swadhyaya work, there were a few members of the Swadhyaya family who did not accept this decision. Because of their longstanding relationship with Dadaji, they felt a sense of entitlement to this responsibility. Begrudged by the appointment of Didiji to take the responsibility, they and a few of their cohorts began a concerted effort to destroy Didiji's image and tarnish Dadaji's life.

The main purpose of these people, the "anti-Swadhyayees", was to usurp the control of the work. Once it was clear that this purpose would not be served, persons like Mr. Pankaj Trivedi set out to destroy the verywork they were once a part of.

Mr. Trivedi and a few others chose to engage in antagonistic activity and false accusations against Didiji and the Swadhyaya parivaar. They alleged that the Swadhyaya parivaar and Didiji asked for funds during the 2001 earthquake in Gujarat (a state in India). This is an entirely false statement. To begin with, Dadaji and Didiji have never solicited funds from anyone, directly or indirectly. They have also instilled this mentality in the entire Parivaar. In the aftermath of the earthquake in 2001, a total of 5058 houses were built through the efforts of 76 non-government organizations (NGOs). Of these, 4534 houses were built by the Swadhyaya Parivaar alone, according to a report by the United Nations Development Board. In addition, accusations that have been leveled at the management of trust funds of Swadhyaya Parivaar are completely unfounded.

Further efforts to damage Swadhyaya work led a few anti-Swadhyayees to allege to the home ministry of India's central government in 2002 that "Swadhyaya is a terrorist activity". In response, the Indian government's intelligence bureau conducted a thorough investigation in Swadhyayee villages throughout India. This investigation revealed absolutely no basis for the accusation. Other facet of anti-Swadhyaya propaganda has included the repeatedfiling of police cases against many devoted Swadhayees over the last five years. Police investigations have found each and every one of these complaints to be completely untrue and without merits.

The media has reported that Mr. Trivedi was a prominent Swadhyayee, that he donated 1.5 crore (15 million) rupees, and that Pujya Dadaji used to visit him at hishome often. All these reports are completely untrue. At the current time, it is the media's responsibility to report only the truth, instead of reporting and sensationalizing completely baseless allegations in an attempt to tarnish the image of Dadaji, Didiji, and Swadhyaya work. It is important to consider who benefits by misleading the police and by harassing the Swadhyaya Parivaar. In the end, it is society and devoted Swadhyayees who are hurt when attempts are made to tarnish the image of holy work such as Swadhyaya.



Link to lots of articles in English
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:03pm

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=swadhyay&btnG=Search+News
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:10pm

Aaj to Brahmin ki bhi hatya hoti hai........

Dur Kahin Kone mein Majhab Rota hain.............
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Post by Guest on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:19pm

Daes Liya (bite) Sare Desh Ko Jahrili Nagin (poisonous snake) Ne...........

Ghar Ko laga di Aag Ghar Ke Chirago ne..................

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:37pm

It is very important that future generations remember Pankajbhai's sacrifice and learn a lesson of not falling in a trap of any organized religion.

Please write to Government of Gujarat to dedicate a monumnet in the memory of "Krantikari Pankajbhai".

May be rename Ellisbridge to "Pankajbhai Trivedi Bridge."

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Post by Guest on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:53pm

I believe Swadhyay should start " Krantikari Pankajbhai Trivedi" Scholarship for needy students and open up a college and dedicate it to " Krantikari Pankajbhai Trivedi".

I am sure that even after doing that, crores of rupees will be available which can be used to build a charitabl hospital dedicated to Pankajbhai.

Shri Satya Sai Baba had been doing noble humanatarian work for decades and its time that Swadhyay learn some lessons on humanity and charity from this organization.
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Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 7th, 2006, 8:56pm

I think it will be a great disservice to soul of Pankajbhai if we go the route of naming any bridge or other monument after him.

All we know is that he wanted Society to know true face of Didi's brand of Swadhyay.

When Government of Gujarat does not listen to person of Swamiji's stature, I doubt if they will ever pursue justice for Pankajbhai's killer.

May be some investigative Journalist can find out real story behind tall claims of Didi's brand of Swadhyay, and issues which Pankajbhai have raised and reported elsewhere in this forum.

Only 'fourth Jagir (Press)' can take up this challenge and show the true face of Didi's brand of Swadhyay to Society.
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Gunawant Shah on Pankajbhai's Sahidi
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 7th, 2006, 10:10pm

Renowned philosopher and writer Gunawantbhai Shah appeals public to wake up. The degree of blind following in Swadhyay is a black mark against Hinduism. Back in 1992 he wrote "Blind faith manufacturing company unlimited is Swadhyay" Dada had put his image between Shiva and yogeswar and everyone would offer Aarti to DADA. He was the one to criticise this deification of Pandurang Athawale. How lacks of Swadhyayees can not see the difference between God and Pandurang and now Didi? No wonder this has given Didi an opportunity to do anything she pleases.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 8th, 2006, 04:25am

Aaj yeh shehar kaisee sanwar aayee hai,
Har taraf bikeree ek khaak nazar aayee hai!
rang lagee hai ye khoon-e-jiger (pankaj bhai)ki taaseer,
yaad jab aati hai to aankhe bhar aayee hai!!

ye aag har khafan ko jalaakar rakh karegi,
dhuvaan ek din teri galee(madhav bagh) me aayegi!
ek ek saans me yahaa behroopiya (khota bhai)mile hai,
ye sholey lipte rahee saneeha ka khabhar aayee hai!!

tumharee nakse-kadam ne sab ko gumraah kardiya,
kitna behtar ye kaary tha usko mitti me milaadiya!
kaise maafi milega bhagwan ko bhee parwaa na kiyaa,
sang-e-lehad pe tumne jhootee aansu bahaadiya!!






Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 8th, 2006, 05:54am

I hear that Gujrat Govt is in the process of changing the name of A'bad to either Pandurang Sastri Nagar or Pandurang Sastri Dham (as in Gnadhi Nagar / Gandhi Dham).

Is it true??

Prime reason given is that it is a tribute to DADA & its present leader. They have worked tremendously hard to uplift the communities of Gujarat and the whole state of Gujrat. and have succeeded in doing so.

After Gandhiji, its now DADA, the only person who can be said to deserve this tribute!

Although Gujrat has so many prominent Kathakars and is home to one of the most famous religious sect - Swaminarayan, but so far they have failed to match the sort of upliftment DADA gave to this state.

It is for this reason Ahmedabad will now have a new name.

Please share your hearsay here.

You have a great sense of humor or imagination! - Vijay Mehta


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Post by Unbelievable on Jul 8th, 2006, 06:43am

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Post by Karan on Jul 8th, 2006, 07:14am

Sunil posted a nice msg

Swadhyaya is not just to follow some one blindly
Swadhyaya's literal meaning is study, self-study

But at the same time a Swadhyayee should be cautious
Instrumental Devotion means .... its not anybody can use him atleast he should know that he is not getting victimised in an organised trap.

Now its the time to have a kind of transperancy in all trusts, The governement should work on it atleast Gujarat government.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 8th, 2006, 07:44am

Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Jayshree Talwalkar 'Didi' suddenly surfaced on Friday night in a TV News Channel where she spoke about some controversies and Swadhyay Parivar but refused to speak about the famous Pankaj Trivedi murder. She said that she was pained by the murder but avoided questions on the issue saying that the matter was sub-judicious.

Describing media reports as her character assassination she said that people who are against her and wanted to remove her were indulging in such activities. Didi who spoke for the first time 24 days after murder of Trivedi said that she was not the head of Swadhyay Parivar "I am a member of the Parivar. I, my family and the entire Swadhyay Parivar is sad over Trivedi's murder and we protest the incident. No individual has the power in Parivar but all the members work in co-operation", she said.

About funds in Pariver she said that the accounts of Parivar are audited regularly. People asking about Rs.2,000 crore should first ask NRIs where they have sent this money, Didi said in an irritating tone.

About her alleged love letters Didi said that they were letters about a project and her opponents had misused them. "I have not written any love letter to anyone", she said.

Furious over media reports Didi said that they are hammering Swadhyayis. They are misleading people. She appealed Swadhyayis to be tolerant and spread the message of peace. "Parivar members are brothers and sisters and I am one of them. I am not a saint", Didi reiterated

Parivar members are brothers and sisters and I am one of them. I am not a saint", Didi reiterated.

'We all know you are not a saint but you are not even a good human being'.

You shall be with 5 Parivar memebers in Jail for killing Pankajbhai.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 8th, 2006, 08:08am

"After Gandhiji, its now DADA, the only person who can be said to deserve this tribute!"

If Gandhiji is BAPU is he was DADA (most of Gujarati's following him blindly dont even know y he is called DADA) It means Big Brother in Marathi, they think it ment Grandfather.... lol
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Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 8th, 2006, 08:16am

"Swadhyaya is not just to follow some one blindly
Swadhyaya's literal meaning is study, self-study"

If it means self study! selfstudy could be done in the corner of ur room, bringing 10000 or 15000 people together for selfstudy!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 8th, 2006, 08:23am

It is a known fact in Madhav Baug Pathshala since 2001 that people are called from distance so when Didi gives her 'Bakwas' hall looks full.
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Post by An Observer on Jul 8th, 2006, 08:47am

I think Ravibahi & Unbelivable have missed my point.

Gujrat Govt is considering changing name of A'BAD.

No other state Govt is even thinking of doing this & why should they?

On of the reasons given is that the mass upliftmnet has taken place in Gujrat, not in Mumbai.

Therefore Guj Govt feels that this is the best tribute they can bestow on DADA.

This is what I have heard and may not be true.

Maharashtra state has not seen the so caled upliftment in its state. Its the Gujratis who have benefited from this movement and therefroe I think modi govt (sarkar) may be correct in thinking on this changes.

May be DIDI has MADE some FINANCIAL (or otherwise (promised to use her VOTE Bank) as part of POLITICAL deal to change the name.............who knows!

This is wild speculations.

I am simply asking if anyone has heard about this.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 8th, 2006, 09:13am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 8th, 2006, 09:18am

I think Didi is in the process of doing something like Sonia Gandhi, Bal Thackeray etc.

Denounce that she is dictator of Parivar. Appoint group of cronies till controversy dies down and control every thing from behind the curtain.

These group of cronies will later day come out and tell that since Dada have appointed you, you must take it over again!

This way she can fool her blind faith followers that she is Tyag ni Murti.

I hope before she succeds in doing so, Gujarat Government does something rather than renaming Ahemadabad as 'Andheri nagari' and CM as 'Gandu Raja'.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 09:20am

I have heard that all khotabhais are considering changing their last name to "Athvale".......

How many khotabhais call their REAL elder sister "Didi"?

How many khotabhais from US went to India for their parents "ASTHI-VISARJAN"?

How many khotabhais helped their needy relatives in India?

How many khotabhais who worked for FREE at MADHAV KENDRA farm had helped their relatives on their farms in India?

How many khotabhais went to see their relatives when they were in Hospital?

How many khotabhais went to attend a Birthday Party of their relatives in India?



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Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 8th, 2006, 09:23am

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DADAJI SAID
"BETI MAIN BHI INKA DADA HU, KAISA ULLU BANAYYA DEKH, KAHA DEKHNA AANA WALLA HAIN YEAH GORA INDIA MAIN ......JO LEKHKER DIYA INHONA MAAN LIYA"

DADA EK NUMBERI TO BETI DUS NUMBARI.....


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 09:31am

Lies, Lies and more Lies........

Most of the khotabhais had been feeding lies and fabricated stories to potray Athvale into an " AVATAR" for YEARS.

Some of the stories are so ridiculous that even any one with a half brain can tell that it is an outright lie.

One person told me a story about the Murti of Yogeshwar. Read this funny story.

Once, Yogeshwar Bhagavan appeared in Dada's dream and talked to him. The way Yogeshwar Bhagvan was standing in Dad's dream is exactly the same as the Murti of YOGESHWAR is made. Dada had called an expert artist to make the MURTI and described the pose that he saw in his dream.

While the artist was making the MURTI, Dada stopped him many times and corrected his mistakes. After so many iterations and trials, the final shape of the Murti was developed.

This person also claimed that no one in this world has an exact imagination of Yogeshwar as Dada had as he had seen Yogeshwar Bhagvan in his dream.

Propaganda is so powerful that any one can take an ordinary Pandu and trnsform him into an "AVATAR".


Like Mirza Galib said,

"Murkhon kin Kami Nahi Galib,

Ek dhundho Hajar Milte Hein.........."

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We shall rape you in front of ur Sasara - Swadhyay
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 8th, 2006, 10:59am

Jalgaon,
Retired professor S. K. Joshi shared terror on his family during a visit with Gujarat Samachar.
S. K. Joshi had worked with Dada and Swadhyay for more than two decades. Back in 1995 several tall and heavy men entered his house. In front of everyone including women in the house they told my daughter in law, "We shall rape you in front of your husband and your father in law. Tell your father in law to keep his mouth shut about Swadhyay."

One time Mr. Joshi was travelling in his car with his son and suddenly at one stop they found themselves surrounded by 8-10 men. Luckily his son used his quick judgement and steered his car away from this goons.
Article in Gujarati.


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Jagruti - staunch Swadhyayee are wondering
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:17am

Last night Didi finally gave an interview to media- setting was interview by a private channel at an undisclosed location.
She said that there is a conspiracy against Swadhyay. She has nothing to do with murder of Pankajbhai.
There is no financial irregularities in Swadhyay.
She is just another member of Swadhyay and everyone is equal in Swadhyay.
She is saddened by the death of Pankajbhai but she can not talk about it due to the legal process.
She appealed to all the Swadhyayees to stay focused.

Some of staunch Swadhyayees were totally disappointed that:
1. Interview was from an undisclosed location. Why?
2. If she is innocent, why she does not come out and say that she & other members of Swadhayay are willing to co-operate with poilice investigation in any way they can.
3. Why it took so long to come out and make a statement.
4. Why interview was given to a private channel.

It seems that many Swadhyayees are disappointed and now wondering as to what is being hidden? There is a possibility that of current members there will be two groups, one supporting current stratagy to "keep quiet and it will go away" and the other group supporting "those who do not have any thing to hide - hide nothing!"
Jagruti continues. Biggest challenge will come not from police and outsiders but from true Swadhyayees within.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:31am

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=814&cattype=NEWS

Swadhyay parivar has become goonda parivar: Sacchidanand

2006-07-06 10:05:42


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

At a meeting held in the city on "Religion Terrorism" number of leading personalities launched a scathing attack on Swadhyay Parivar and described its head, Didi, with a variety of adjectives like a tigress donning the skin of cow. These persons were of the view that the mafia of religious leaders was more dreadful than the underworld of Dawood.

Referring to the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi, Swami Sacchidanand said that Swadhyay Parivar had become goonda parivar. The fear of terror created by it can never be tolerated, he added. Pankaj Trivedi, a staunch critic of Didi , was murdered on June 15 and police have arrested five swadhyayis in this connection.

He said that the fault of Trivedi was just that he had sought details of account of the Parivar, a multi billion rupee voluntary organization founded by Pandurang Shastri. He also blasted the Modi government for not responding to the requests of Trivedi for protection though he had feared attack from members of Swadhyay parivar. He said people worshipped Didi as a holy cow, but in the skin of cow she is a tigress.

Noted activist Prakash N Shah said that the activity of spreading terror in the name of religion should be checked. He suggested that there should be a social audit of such organizations. Writer Rajnikant Joshi said Dada, founder of Parivar, was a good man but not a straight man.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:33am

Dear Vijay Bhai

Jagruthi will be there, atleast some "Yuwan" will think and an in-side revolt will be there. But what do you say this Khota Bhai will realise?
They may be forgot The Virtues which (said) will acquires by Swadhyay
1) Gratitude (Kritaznata) : Told to appreciate saints but they are busy in appreciating ****
2) Asmita (self-awareness): but unfortunatly they are not aware of their own ability, it was told in last shibir that you are a donkey ,who is carrying statue.
3)Brilliance (Tejaswita): He should not be a puppet but they feel Chamchagiri is not puppetism.
4)Boundless love: in this situation we dont want to talk about any Love!!!!
5)Samarpan(offering); yah its going on

so i think they wont change

Unlike you, I think there will be radical changes in Swadhyay. It may come by design or default. Now that more and more stories come out, true swadhyayee (majority of them) will suddenly wonder. This may prompt them to do one of two things. 1. Move away from Parivar and join some other group. 2. Be bold enough to address the irregularity and make parivar stronger.
At least in USA Parivar I have found that this bond and sense of common goal is extremely strong. How can one walk away from the family? I shall venture to predict that most of them will be in group 2 here. Currently they are behaving as if nothing has happened. But in their head and conscious the debate has started. Next, they will feel comfortable with discussing their feeling to nearest Swadhyayee friends followed by discussion with rest of them. Process will take time but it shall happen.
Of course now after being duped before the flow of money will slow down tremendously and when it start they shall demand voice in it.
For the Khotabhai's back home this was like Mafia. Too much power just by having the title. They will have to be thrown out by others to save the movement. I think process will take 1-2 years but it will bring accountability and Samaj seva back in the focus.
Unlike India, I shall venture to predict that it is much less likely that the Motabhai's abusing power here. With very small tight neat community, people do know who you really are. There are lot more ways for people to earn then to resort to deceit in this country.
I am sure other sampraday's are also looking at this and doing some introspection as how they can avoid same fate. I think devotees of other Sampraday's might develop courage to ask, what is being done with the money.
Sahid Sri Pankajbhai has served Hinduism as very few people in recent history has. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:58am

I agree with Karan. The puppets WILL NOT CHANGE.

They choose to poke in their own eyes and became BLIND FOLLOWERS, they are beyond repair.

If they were to wake up, they would have done so in past when countless newspapers and magazines published countless articles on all wrongdoings and when Justice B.J.Diwan resigned. But no, they THINK know Athvale more than Justice Diwan and Pankajbhai Trivedi.

The funny thing is that most of the swadhyayis have not even spent five minutes with Athvale, then how can they know him that well? The false image of an AVATAR in their BHAVUK mind is the result of years of Brainwashing, propaganda and manipulation.


We can only help people who are starting to develope "cataract" (Not blind yet) and have their cataract surgically (thru open discussion).

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It is much easier to be an Avatar by minimizing contact. Human being has weakness. It is much easier to hype someone up by edited videos and managed exposure to general public. Only the inner group knows real person. And you can keep inner group quiet because they have a vested interest in Avatar. I am impressed with how many staunch Swadhyayees are now asking questions, not openly of course. I think this is defininig moment in the life of Swadhyay. - Vijay Mehta
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Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 12:06pm

Maheshbhai Shah consoling Shrutiben Trivedi. Maheshbhai is concerned he might be next on the list.
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How to tell a spiritual movement from cult?
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 8th, 2006, 12:38pm

Here is an issue of Aar Paar. This may offend you if you are not able to handle the truth. Your motabhai may say 'they' are jealous of our success - the fact is no one has to be jealous of your success, if Swadhyay is indeed the movement of uplifting the human spirits we all are beneficiary of it being one of you. The motabhai may tell you not to pay attention to media - you need to wonder why all the media have tried to expose the wrongdoings or more important you may tell your motabhai -why not we publish our point by point rebuttal of all these concerns. If we have built houses why not make a website with the pictures of all those houses, roads, schools and hospitals. In this day and age it is not too expensive to put your information on network (and they have crores rupees sitting in several trust accounts) for everyone to see and decide for your self. Remember, the way mind control works is to avoid answering question and tell followers to have faith or shradhha in Dada. That is your cue to run out of that movement no matter how good it may feel you to belong to it at present. -Vijay Mehta

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mailesh on Jul 8th, 2006, 12:46pm

Vijaybhai,

First off, you have done a commendable job of creating and moderating this board.

This unfortunate event has exposed pariwar internals big time and am optimistic that this WILL trigger a change

First thing that comes to mind is the fact that now media and public in general know more and have more questions than the so called motabhai's actually know

Due to their blind follower mentality, they have never questioned their superiors and so on and now they will feel awkward facing members and outsiders. Once this questioning starts, the ball starts rolling

I doubt if someone in US can think, plan and pull off a criminal act against someone who asks questions as easily as it may be possible in India

Simple questions like

1. why the focus on 'others' and not 'me'
2. why the focus on numbers
3. why are some members more previlaged to inside information than others
4. what happened t the norm of taking joint decisions
5. why huge gatherings for events
6. Does a local motabhai ever question their superiors?
7. Who makes those large sankalps? Sankalps should be from within - when someone else tells me to achieve some number it is called target not sankalp
8. how can I access local financial accounts?


Answers:
1. Focus on others and not me: If there is not much good about me, I can distract you by talking bad about others like Pankajbhai, they are out to destroy us etc. It keeps focus away from me.
2. For some of them it was all about the numbers. Problem is that more they got more they wanted. Had they only taken out 10% of Bhagawanano Bhag no one would have ever been able to prove anything.
3. Motabhai's have invested more and are williing to do more for Swadhyay than Chhotabhai. They are willing to maime or kill anyone for parivar. If you are not that loyal why should you have the same privilege?
4. Joint decision: Trust me they are taking joint decision. But you and I are not at that level to be part of decision making. Remember humility is a virtue.
5. Large gatherings are good for morale and publicity. It impresses people in thinking - if so many people believe in it ... it must be great.
6. If you start questioning the superiors you are not right material to be a Motabhai in first place. And if you do, we need to make Asura out of you, You can not go back to Chhotabhai from Motabhai because now you know too much. Many of victims of violence had to suffer because they knew too much. Had they been ordinary Swadhyayee they could have been easily ignored as common ashuras. Loyalty and ability to understand without asking anyone is important qualifying characteristics for Motabhai.
7. There are some chosen devine among us and they help us by making Sankalps on our behalf. The mere fact that we joined the group without ever asking or questioning shows that we are not capable to making independent decision. They are just being helpful.
8. Forget asking for local accounts. They were simply forwarded to head quarter. Once you offer coconut to God you do not inquire what happens to it, do you?


I have a feeling that Swadhyayees from USA eventhough in numbers we may be miniscule compared to those in India, will be instrumental in providing leadership.
Living in this open society does change who we are. There is more courage to ask questions. We have learnt that open society is strength. We have witnessed Jim Jones and David Kuresh. We have seen financial or sexual scandals destroying prominent churches. Hopefully we have learned that you can not suppress disinformation too long once it starts coming.

I think at this time asking financial account will be taken as you being a traitor or Swadhyay destroyer (Ashura).
What you can do is to generate discussion as how in future we can establish credibility? What checks and balance do we place to prevent abuse by select few? At the end of the day, your future depends on credibility among young Swadhyayees. With all the horror stories that has come out and likely to come out let me tell you, your younger generation is confused and concerned. Their loyalty to what we fed them so far can only last so long.
Good luck. Keep us posted if you have any ideas or how your attempts are received by others. Remember, the spirit should be one of "I love Swadhyay there for I am willing to speak up" - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 12:56pm

Now people have all kind of question...

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I think now police have to open them eye..

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I have heard this theory too and it may make sense.

Dadaji worked all his life to start his projects. People show a man with ability to interpret Gita at the same time man with passion to uplift the poor and backward communities. Karma Yoga and Bhakti Yoga to gather is a strong combination. No acquisition of real estate in terms of Mandir basically made the expense side of balance sheet very small. Money grew, fame grew. He must have thought for a long time that this all can be turned over to some one with same passion.

Then came the aging, failiing health and amputation left him in hands of his daughter. She suddenly realizes the opportunity to step into his chair. She has to remove all good Swadhyayees surrounding him. The access to Dada is limited. Basically he is in "Nazar Ked" so only message Dada can get is what is approved by Didi. Tai would also like the power go to someone in family than outsider. Only the inner core can see the change. Because for millions of them all they see is the video that comes in mail.

Dada behaves in un-Dada like fashion and suddenly claims that Swadhayay belongs to him. Now all loyal Swadhyayees needs to be thrown out one by one. Some of them knew too much. So they became threat. One by one they were disgraced and thrown out. If they kept posing threat, they were threatened and to teach a lesson bones were broken.

Earthquake in Gujart proves to be a windfall. Large amount of donations flowing from all over, no need to account for it. Everyone at the top could get a piece of the pie as long as they keep the mouth shut. Few trouble makers need to be silenced.

Arrogance lead to mistakes. We can get away with anything. Police or Government and Media will think ten times before doing anything against us. Few people with broken bones became a lesson for many others who were thinking of speaking their mind. Well it all went well until...

Until one fateful day.. Pankajbhai Trivedi was brutally murdered. And suddenly 'Jan Prakop' is beyond anyone's expectation. Police was lucky to find a strong clue by one cell phone, he opens his mouth and now the amount of information that out is too much to cover it all up. Daily headlines exposing more and more stories. Many Swadhyayees start seeing a pattern. As much as they do not want to believe all these they have to admit that there are some problems.

The question is how this moves on from this point...
-Vijay Mehta


Would Didi run to USA if noose comes closer?
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 1:01pm

Didi might have avoided being questioned or arrested for this crime more than three years. But there is no statute of limitation on murder. So all her life she will have to worry, what if some evidence pops up? What if someone talks? There are many many crimes in history books where years after the crime the law catches up with you. Let us be patient and pray to God at the end justice may prevail and sacrifice of Panjakbhai does not go in vein.

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Na Muh Chhupake Jityo...
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 1:04pm

Didi has paid a price for Pankajbhai murder. Now she avoids limelight and media.

Na Muh Chhupake Jiyo
No Sar jhukake Jiyo
Jo paap kiye hai tumne
woh Karmoki Kimat chukake Jiyo.
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by sunil on Jul 8th, 2006, 1:16pm

Dear NRI Swadhyayees,
Please listen to what DIDItold to SAHARA SAMAY TV
She said we recd.Rs.1 crore & spent 1.5 crores for Kutch EQ relief.( I have seen this twice)

Now isn't this a lie? They have collected alltogether 37 crores +cash(only Yogeshwar knows the amount)
You still want to call her a Satyanishtha?

who siphoned the money?

Will you dare to ask your motabhais about this?

In an another reply on this forum today these blind fellows are still saying that the pariwar constructed 4534 concrete houses in Kutch when it is very clear to everybody (exceot their Blind counterparts in India)
that the pariwar has not constructed even a single house is this another example of Satyam Vada?

The Pariwar has become so proficient in lieing & so shameless that even after the murder of Pankajbhai they published a nivedan is all gujarati news papers on
19th June stating that they have constructed 5058 houses if this is Swadhyay then why someone should join or if has joined stay?

Earthquake Relief by Swadhyay Gujarati Article
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 8th, 2006, 3:34pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060625/guj/national/anu.html

How much money was collected by Swadhyay and how much was used for actual house building in Kutch area has been the biggest point of argument. Swadhyayees will point that they have built 4500 plus houses. While others will say that there is not a single house by Swadhyay! This Article looks at what could be the explanation. Gujarati article.
Partial translation to follow;

According to the letter by Pankajbhai Trivedi to Chief Minister of Gujarat DAY Trust, Chicago had deposited 2,4000,000 (2.4 Million Dollars( between 1978 to 2000. Due to the Gujarat Earthquake 3,890,000 (3.89 Million Dollars were collected from Swadhyay in USA) While Vinoo Sachania (Who was later beaten up) sent Two Crores from England.

On 6/24/2006 Dr. Rajesh Parikh said in response to a question that "Swadhyay Parivar has built 4534 houses in Kutch, and there is no doubt about it." When asked if he had seen personally this houses being built he said he has not. Than based on what is he making this statemet? In response Dr Parikh showed a report by UNDP and 2003 report by ILO (International Labor Organization), where it was mentioned that Swadhyay Parivar had built 4534 houses. Dr. Parikh was asked if Swadhayay has their report of all these houses? He responded that Swadhyay Parivar has a report of work performed at 112 villages and that report is in Mumbai and we are getting in Amadawad. But in this report we do not have details of work performed, just which village had how many houses is mentioned.

Sri Mansi Anand fron Navnirman office in Kutchchh, Bhuj explained that ILO report has no value since it is a copy of UNDP report. He explained that in June of 2001 when Prime Minister came to visit Kutchchh we asked all the organization to report of relief work. We put an ad in the paper asking everyone to supply the information. Based on what they reported we published those figures. We DID NOT CHECK ACCURACY OF ANY OF THESE FIGURES!
Based on the information received (that was never varified by anyone) we published reports. Few months later we published updated report again based on the information received. This way by 2003 we had published five reports.
September 2001 report had 75 organizations reporting. All of them combined reported 4272 houses while Swadhyay ALONE REPORTED 4534 HOUSES!
When questioned in this regard Bhav Sarjan Trust informed that they merely provided 'MATERIAL FOR CONSTRUCTION"
Abhiyan felt that if only material was provided than how many houses were built? were they earth quake proof? In contrast to all other organization Bhav Sarjan trust did not have any M U (? Memorandum of understanding) with GSDMA of Gujarat Government.
Based on all these facts mention of Bhav Sarjan Trusts was taken out of alphabetical order and placed last. And it was noted that this organization is working independently (polite way of saying that we can not varify facts)
Kutchchh Navnirman Abhiyan had asked for detail report from all the organization but Swadhyay did not provide this list. (I guess they believe that when right hand donates left should not know!). They had also asked them to provide with financial report of earth quake related activities (how much received and how much spent) but that was not provided.
Of note is the fact that In any Government report there is no mention of a SINGLE HOUSE BUILT BY BHAV SARJAN! COLLECTOR AND MAMLATDAR IN KUTCHCHH HAS REPORTED THAT BHAV SARJAN TRUST - SWADHYAY PARIVAR HAS NOT BUILT A SINGLE HOME.
According to Dr. Ramesh Parikh after the earthquake all the responsibility was managed by Sri Vasanbhai Aahir. According to Kutchchh Nirman Abhiyan Mr Aahir has been supplying all the information.
When Mr Aahir was asked on 6/24 he said all the Parivar had provided all the roofing material, wood, cement etc and laborers came from Maharashtra. When he was asked to give specifics he answered from moral high ground When a brother helps another brother in times of need, do we need to keep an accounthuh? When he was asked as to how come Swadhyay was able to build more houses than all other 75 combined in such a short period of time? He said "DADA" wanted us to build quickly so we did!!!
Basically what he is saying is trust me, if we say we built than we built. Of course we can not tell you which particular house we have built.




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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Fabricated Stoies about Dadaji on Jul 8th, 2006, 6:09pm


1)Dada had once gone to USA. Dada used shaving soap and brush to shave. During this visit, Dada forgot to take along with him, his shaving soap and brush. Dada was habituated to use shaving soap and brush and so he was un-comfortable. He mentioned it to one of the Motabhais of USA while they were driving on a trip to Ohio. They started looking for shaving soap and brush. They tried about 15 stores but could not find it. When they were passing through a small town, Dada pointed to a store and asked to inquire there for shaving soap and brush. Fortunately this time, it was available in the store.

The whole story seems like fabricated and this common incident was glorified and told to all swadhyayees of USA as and when chance came by one of this Motabhai. He used to tell, he did not believe in miracles, but narrated the story driving the point that Dada was Avatar - incarnation of Lord and hence he could tell where the shaving soap and brush was available?

Question: when followers were trying to find the brush at different places and if an AVATAR knew that they were not going to find it there, why he didn’t stop them in first place? An AVATAR can not adjust with the situation and use shaving cream instead?

2) The second incident is related to Anuts
I-VANDANA program in BHARUCH. One of the motabhai told fellow swadhyayees in a meeting that we don’t believe in miracles but since we are a FAMILY (What a Joke), he would like to share this incident. At the end of the program, NARMADA Maata changed the flow direction, the water level raised up to the stage where Dada was sitting, NARMADA Matta touched Dada’s feet and then slowly water level came down. I am sure you should have a video to prove this as you take video of every little thing and won’t forget to capture this “miracle”, right? (Swajan Re Juth Mat Bolo, Khuda Ke pas Jana Hein)

If you were an Avatar, would you choose failing health, amputation of leg because it was not treated in time and your followers in disarry after your death?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 8th, 2006, 6:12pm

"Last night Didi finally gave an interview to media- setting was interview by a private channel at an undisclosed location.
She said that there is a conspiracy against Swadhyay. She has nothing to do with murder of Pankajbhai."

DADI HAS BEEN TELIN HER FOLLOWERS TO STAY AWAY FROM THE MEDIA BECAUSE THEY LIE, IS SHE LYING TOO? lipsrsealed
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 8th, 2006, 6:30pm

DIDI re jhuuTh mat bolo, Yogeshwar ke paas jaanaa hai....
na "Yogeshwar Krishi
" hai naa "Matsyagandha" hai, vahaaN paidal hii jaanaa hai...... DIDI re jhuuTh mat bolo.....

tumhaare Zameen ka Gotala, yahiin rah jaaenge saare - 2
akaD kis baat ki DIDI
akaD kis baat ki DIDI, ye public ek din to jaan.ni hain...
DIDI re jhuuTh mat bolo, Yogeshwar ke paas jaanaa hai ...

bhalaa kiijai bhalaa hogaa, buraa kiijai buraa hogaa - 2
Gita rut rut ke kya hoga
Gita rut rut ke kya hogaa, yahiin sab kuchh chukaanaa hai
DIDI re jhuuTh mat bolo, Yogeshwar ke paas jaanaa hai ...

laDakapan khel mein khoyaa, javaanii niind bhar soyii - 2
Motappa dekh kar royii
Motappa dekh kar royii, vahii kissaa puraanaa hai
DIDI re jhuuTh mat bolo, Yogeshwar ke paas jaanaa hai
na haathii hai naa ghoDaa hai, vahaaN paidal hii jaanaa hai
DIDI re jhuuTh mat bolo, Yogeshwar ke paas jaanaa hai ...

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 6:41pm

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Swami Sachchidanandji asking pointed questions to Didi after her interview on Star TV.
50th Birthday Celebration Cancelled..
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 8th, 2006, 7:08pm

Didi was born July 12, 1957 and will enter 50th year on12th. They were planning for 10 Lack people celebration at Bhav Nirzar, but that has been cancelled.


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by SUGGESTIONS on Jul 8th, 2006, 7:16pm

I believe if Swadhyay honestly implement the following changes, it will serve its purpose and regain some of the lost credibility.

1) Implement AMNAI - the constituion of Swadhyay that Dada had crafted with the help of many devoted swadhyayis.

2) Didi should resign immediately and should not interfere in any financial matters or major decisions. A commitee of 11 people should take joint decisions, establish collective leadership and no absolute authority to an individual.

3) Implement TOTAL transparency, keep accounting books open for inspection to followers on a weekly basis.

4) Eevery Swadhyay Kendra should be self-supportive, meaning collect money only to cover hall rentals etc, NO MORE. Every kendra should keep their books open to the followers on a monthly basis.

5) Millions of dollars collected in countries like USA, UK, CANADA should be donated to a well reputed charity or used to build a "Senior Citizen facilities/assisted living centers for Indians".

6) Crores of rupees accumulated in India should be returned to the society in the form of charity to build schools, hospitals for less fortunate people.

7) Do not place Dada's picture next to GOD.

8) Do not sing or allow any bahv geets praising Athvale family.

9) Whoever wants to continue marketing (Bahv-feri), they don't need to get any directives from motabhais. Bhav-feri should not be an organized activity and should not emphasize on marketing.

10) No more birthday celebrations of Dada, Didi or Tai.

11) None of the Athvale family memebr will ever be given any leadership position in Swadhyay.

12) Any attempts by anyone to promote Vyakti-puja should be condemned and stopped.

13) The profit on books, picture frames, audio cassetts and CDs should NOT be more than 50% on top of the retail printed price plus freight.

14) No money generating PRAYOGs are needed and they ALL need to be dissolved immediately.

I know this is my wishful thinking but atleast I am doing my job as a citizen to make some suggestions.

May GOD offer everyone some strength and wisdom to fight against religious terrorism and corruption.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 8th, 2006, 8:51pm

Those 14 wishful thinkings are good enough. But, if Swadhyay cgoes on, and they continue to show the current videos of Pandurang, I don't think people, after such a media exposure, would respect it. At least to me all those words appear fake enough.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 9:29pm

Sunil wrote in his post and I quote, " Please listen to what DIDItold to SAHARA SAMAY TV.

She said we recd.Rs.1 crore & spent 1.5 crores for Kutch EQ relief."

I can CHALLANGE Didi on her claim that She received only Rs 1 Crore from overseas.

I know from USA alone more than 3 Crore rupees were sent to Swadhyay trust.

Can she prove me wrong?

Dear Guest,

In order to challenge Didi on this issue you might have to post your true identity, otherwise how would she go about taking your challenge?- Vijay Mehta

Ooops I wanted to hit the shoulder not the head
Post by Guest on Jul 8th, 2006, 9:33pm

Oops we hit the head instead of the shoulder! Story as told by those murderers. They make it sound like they just wanted to break his leg. However, you do not need five people and metal rod to do that. And if the instruction were to not to kill him than once the Pankajbhai fell after being hit on the head they would have stopped and not hit him more on his face. These men were programmed by their boss to kill Pankajbhai.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:31pm

Vijay,

I just finished reading some of your comments from the last two pages....you really do make some insightful remarks...

1) I agree that the foreign based Swadhyayees can potentially bring about change that is guided by reason and not emotion. I wonder how effective that will be given the current motabhai leadership of the USA (Amit Barot, Arjun Desai, etc) who typify the "just do as we say, and don't question us since we are closer to Dada/Didi than you" leadership style.

2) The problem with power is that it corrupts..I have seen too many good people adopt the above mentioned attitude the second they were appointed motabhai. This narrow mindedness seems to be a communicable disease, a disease that seems to prevent more progressive minded souls from even seeking leadership positions out of frustration with status quo.

3) The other thing that has frustrated me about Swadhyay is that there is often an unwillingness to intellectually expand beyond the Swadhyay sanctioned readings and pravachans and motabhai speeches. Whether you are in New York or Los Angeles, you will get the same rote answer handed down from above for any question you ask (it's like going to a Mall...same stores no matter where you are geographically). While that does result in some standardization, it can also hinder progress.

4) The solutions listed previously by someone else are pretty good, though a little idealistic. I think we have to start with good old fashioned accountability.


Thank you. I think due to all the shocking news that has come out and are going to come out for some time, this is as best a time for Swadhyayees as any to do some interospection. This is the time reform minded Swadhyayee need to step up and say, " we are willing to speak up to save what is closer to our heart." Lot of Khotabhai's are under the gun now and they will have to tone down their authorative attitude. If they do not show flexiblity there is a good possibility of a mass exodus. It might give rise to another Su-Swadhayay with all good aspects of original concept added with transparancy, accountability, variety of views on our spirituality and I am sure they will do well. From the feedback I am getting eventhough they are not speaking many Swadhyayee are waking up and ready to step up too.- Vijay Mehta

Tax Return for DAY Trust
Post by Other on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:31pm

Some interesting tidbits about money sent from US.

Actually, from DAY's 990 filings, $2.7 million was raised for the earthquake in 2001. As of June 2002, the HAD NOT SENT a penny to India.

If you would like to verify, you can inspect the 990 forms at www.guidestar.org:

http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?finId=100965982&npoId=543599&gotoNext=/reports/partners/guidestar/showDocuments.jsp

The fact is not that "xxx amount of money was sent to India", but that ""xxx amount of money was raised". The problem is that money earmarked for the earthquake has simply been added to DAY's unrestricted assets (as of June 2002).

It is likely that Didi is correct in saying that the trusts have been audited and that there is no illegal activity with money (maybe unethical, or not respectable) as of yet; Swadhyay has been guilty of hoarding money.

The real problem that seems to be reflected by everyone talking about it is the control of this money in non trustworthy hands + the amount of it = a serious possibility of misuse.

But it is only the possibility that is true at the moment, and the fact that they had not spent more than a fraction of what they raised for the earthquake (which is technically fraud, but the money has not been used for something else yet) - they may be guilty of lies to make their relief work sound better than it was (but so is every other Indian non-profit in the US).


Interesting information.
If you collect money for Earthquake relief and do not use it .. that is not only un ethical but illegal. When I tried to send a check to American Red Cross for Tsunami they told me that they have stopped collecting for that project so either I could donate to other projects or they shall send my money back.
Another interesting thing is this.. if they did not send any money from NRI how did they manage to build 4352 houses in Kutchchh, more than all other 75 organizations combined? - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by You Have Got to Be Kidding on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:41pm


Unbelievable:

Well said - Swadhyay, over time, has become increasingly insular and unwilling to take ideas or thoughts from other places (and Swadhyayees less willing to engage in activities in the broader community).

It is a serious progression towards narrow-mindedness and feeling that Swadhyay can provide everything one needs for self-development; Although the point of Bhakti-Pheri was to ensure that Swadhyayees had regular contact out of their context with people that thought differently, it has failed miserably at keeping humility and tolerance of others as a key quality.

This post at a blog is worth reading, I think it echoes much of what you are saying:

http://swadhyaya.blogspot.com/2006/07/someone-elses-fight.html

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 8th, 2006, 11:57pm

AYKM,

That post was absolutely brilliantly written (did you write it?)....everyone should check it out if they can..

Unbelievable
Someone else's fight.. by Love Swadhyay
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 9th, 2006, 12:16am

A brilliantly written piece by a Swadhyayee at
http://swadhyaya.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, July 05, 2006
Someone Else's Fight
By Love Swadhyay

The beauty of Swadhyay is its personal mandate; for most of its existence, the Swadhyay Parivar provided a powerful collective environment that nurtured Swadhyayees in our pursuit of self-development.

Yes, along the way there has always been an influence of human nature. Swadhyay utsavs and kendras always had a sprinkle of inequity: people who were ‘more dedicated’, people who were ‘close to Dadaji’, people who followed with ‘blind faith’, people who had ‘responsibility’, people who could ‘sing better’, etc. In the corners or at the lunch table after kendra, there was always argument to be started about whether Swadhyay was actually an "organization" and whether the "motabhais" were really just part of a hierarchical structure.

In retrospect, there is a sense of laughable nostalgia for those days. Swadhyay the "organization" was, at most, a necessary nuisance. We needed it to come together, but it was hardly in the way of the individual’s ability to practice Swadhyay in his/her own life. Swadhyay was an open concept: everyone was a Swadhyayee, regardless of Hindu sect or even religion. The environment was friendly and open to anyone who wanted to attend kendra, listen to pravachan, celebrate utsavs, attend programs, do bhakti pheri, or take responsibility for something. If you didn’t want to do more than come to kendra ever now and then, no one bothered.

That was then.

Somewhere along the way we started to define what it meant to be a Swadhyayee. We began to informally observe the regularity of Swadhyayee attendance at functions, only certain ‘grades’ of Swadhyayees (based on commitment) were allowed to attend certain programs/meetings, we had unsaid rules of what could be talked about and what couldn’t at what times, we quietly criticized those who participated in things outside of Swadhyay Parivar activities, and the process of taking responsibility became opaque and subjective. The ‘motabhais’ stayed the same, other ‘leaders’ were hand-picked loyalists, rumors spread about those who were relieved of their responsibilities, the children/wives of ‘responsible people’ were given special treatment and access to Dadaji or were given responsibility as sanchalaks at DAY youth camps, the ‘process’ began to trump the humanity of responsible Swadhyayees. A fair ‘system’ became widely known for nepotism rather than meritocracy. Human nature was no longer a laughable influence.

However, it was still pleasantly tolerable: the rapidly growing parivar and its organizational challenges did not prohibitively interfere with the individual ability to practice Swadhyay or attend kendra.

This is now.

As it turns out, the real challenges were yet to come. The abrupt removal, for whatever reason, of key people in Swadhyay’s inner council in India and an effort to ostracize those associated with them outside of India set the stage for serious transformation of the Swadhyay Parivar. The organization faced a real challenge to fractionalization and proactively reacted to control damage and get past the bitter power struggle that started it. However, for the first time, Swadhyay was faced with major criticism from an insider’s perspective - and took an understandable, but immature approach of "you are either with or with them" to dealing with Swadhyayees around the world.

It was clear in the reactions of Swadhyay leadership that the institution was deeply affected/threatened by the situation and they often introduced issues to innocent audiences to avoid any potential for major divisions within the parivar; however, a great series of mistakes emerged in attempting to coach Swadhyayees in what to believe/say and do. The availability information was on a need-to-know basis and rumors began to brew. Further, the participation of Swadhyay leadership in identifying "anti-Swadhyay" elements indicated a forced shift to recognizing Swadhyay as an ‘organization’ to which membership was be assessed. Not everyone was a Swadhyayee anymore. So started a definitive process of the Swadhyay Parivar taking ownership of the until-then universal philosophy of Swadhyay and what it meant to be a Swadhyayee.

A Fundamentalist approach to Swadhyay

Fundamentalism is not always a bad thing, but the term in many ways accurately reflects the narrow-minded / intolerant progression of Swadhyay's leadership style as it tried to regain total control of the Swadhyay Parivar. Over the last five years, it has been interesting to watch major shifts in the way Swadhyay ‘the organization’ operates. Numbers of attendees have become important. Publicity and politicians became part of the modus operandi of programs. Leaders have instructed Swadhyayees not to read emails from or interact with individuals who have a different view of current events in the Parivar. Free-thinking, well-intentioned Swadhyayees with no mailice towards Swadhyay have been ostracized and bad-mouthed in Swadhyay power circles. Commitment to Swadhyay is "measured" by kendra attendance. Deviant questions in meetings are publicly balked and inquisitive minds are humiliated in front of peers and behind closed doors.

Not encouraging free and critical thinking would seem completely against the basic tenets of the Swadhyay philosophy.

Swadhyay (the organization) was on high alert for people who had even reasonably legitimate questions about leadership, governance, or finances. Swadhyayees, under the consequence of banishment, defamation, and removal from social networks, are fearful of thinking critically or speaking their minds. The recent murder of Pankaj Trivedi, allegedly for his vocal opposition to Swadhyay leadership and governance raises serious questions of the institution’s current priorities. Has Swadhyay "the organization" and its processes become more important than respect for life (and the God within it) itself?

In recent times, open dialogue is not encouraged within the Parivar, perhaps because of the fear of losing control of its own follower base. After all, it is easier to tell people what to do than to create a process to hear them tell you what they think. From the perception of a serious threat from its critics, the institution has become more explicit in attempting to control who Swadhyayees meet, where their children go and what they do during summers, and most importantly - whether or not people can practice Swadhyay or call themselves Swadhyayees.

The Swadhyay Parivar is in a very delicate moment; As Swadhyayees, we should realize that the philosophy and its contribution to humanity is much bigger than petty human nature issues of power, money, and internal politics. The leadership should take humble steps to avoid escalating the divisiveness, regardless of the venomous actions of Swadhyay critics. Rather than coaching Swadhyayees to respond to criticism in unison, the Parivar should encourage Swadhyayees to ask questions, and the leadership should be genuine and sincere in the honesty of its responses.

Swadhyayees were once called "soldiers of God," which has in many ways become "soldiers of the "Swadhyay Parivar’s leadership." In so many ways, the Swadhyay "organization" no longer embodies the divine principles that Dadaji’s life and the Swadhyay philosophy represents. The leadership, it seems, does not represent God.

We just want to practice Swadhyay!

It is unfortunate that the entire Swadhyay Parivar has been dragged into a conflict that has nothing to with being a Swadhyayee. It is not our fight: we don’t go to Swadhyay to hear the latest power gossip or defend the actions of its leadership. The projection of irrelevant-to-being-a-Swadhyayee issues on Swadhyayees around the world has seeded doubt and encouraged narrow-minded divisiveness that has taken the focus away from the self-development that makes it so enriching. In places, it is even tearing apart families who fall on opposite sides of the Swadhyay divide.

The real Swadhyay is getting lost in the mess. Perhaps many Swadhyayees need to take a step back and remember what inspires us about Swadhyay to ensure that their actions are in the same spirit; the ‘organization’ may not be worth saving - but the concept and the philosophy are certainly worth the effort.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Other on Jul 9th, 2006, 12:29am

Vijaybhai,

Your Red Cross example is from recent intepretations of the law - internationally US orgs are responsible for where their money goes post 9/11 (Patriot Act), domestically it is slammed (i.e. Katrina) for misuse.

To answer your question: they very likely didn't build the houses.

Swadhyay was very active during the earthquake - there was much bhakti-pheri in Kutch and they did reach many people, but their own unwillingess to share data on consruction suggests that something isn't accurate about housing numbers.

I mean, all they have to do is show something conclusive, some verification, names of villages, receipts etc . ANYTHING to kill speculation - but they haven't, likely because they can't.

Suppose they did build the houses, if the only documentation is a self-filed report to Nav Nirman Abhiyan / UNDP, AND there is no record in their own files, I would seriously question their record keeping and the reliability of India's accounting systems.

All people need is some honesty and sharing of accounts. The stalemate is unnecessary.

The stalemate would be absolutely unnecessary unless they have something to hide. And may be they are worried that once they answer one question more will follow for which they may not have any answers.
Based on tight lip response to all the allegations and violent reaction to any one questioning for past five years, cloud of secrecy - I have a feeling that we might have touched the tip of the iceberg.- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Krantikari on Jul 9th, 2006, 11:24am

Look at this didi what's she saying again now ?

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 9th, 2006, 11:58am

July 9, 2006

Dr. Amrutlal J. Barot, President
DEVOTIONAL ASSOCIATES PF YOGESWAR
126 Sleepy Point Way
Suffolk, VA

Re: Your Non Profit above Organization Type 501© 3 Under USA
IRS Code. E.I. No. 36-3049407 and related Information

Dear Dr. Barot:

Jai Yogeswar.

1. I am Hindu and USA Citizen originally of Gujarat, India. It is humble
request to you to spare some of your valuable time from your busy schedule as medical doctor and clarify some serious matters and allegations against non profit organization, organized under USA Internal Revenue Service code 501©3.

2.You may be aware about various allegations about financial mismanagement in your non profit organization and murder of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, NRI from Ohio, USA on June 15, 2006 at Amdavad, India for his deferring views and accusations. At this stage whole matter is under police investigation and all have to wait for law to take it course. However whatever it may be you are urged to clarify some pertinent issues.

3.You are listed as President of DEVOTIONAL ASSOCIATES OF YOGESWAR, 1675 Brittany Lane, Hoffman, Estate, Illinois 60195,
Telephone: 1-847-358-2954.
E.I. Number: 36-3049407.

4 PER Income Tax return filed for period July 1, 2001 to June 30, 2002. This tax return was filed on November 22, 2003 and signed by your treasurer Harihar V. Patel. Was this prepared by C.P.A. (Certified Public Accountant) and if so kindly provide his name, address, telephone and email address?

5.Principal officers of DEVOTIONAL ASSOCIATES OF YOGESWAR listed are as follow.
A.Dr. AMRUTLAL J. BAROT, PRESIDENT
126 Sleepy Point Way
Suffolk, Virginia(VA), USA
B.DILIPKUMAR J. PATEL, SECRETARY
15906 Stone Haven, Houston, Texas (TX), USA
C. HARIHAR V. PATEL, TREASURER
187 Oak Mill Street, Addison, Illinois (Ill) 60601
Telephone: 1-630-782-6177
Above three are also listed as Board of Directors for this organization.

6. AS STATED BY YOU MISSION AND PROGRAMS OF THIS
NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION ARE AS FOLLOWS.
Mission
To educate and spread the religious teaching and philosophy of The Associates of Yogeshwar
Programs
a. Children Camp At:.
Atlanta, Metro Chicago, San Francisco, Detroit, New Jersey, Washington D.C. et al

b. Seminars & Lectures At:
Atlanta, Metro Chicago, Detroit San Francisco, New Jersey, Washington D C., Cleveland, Dallas, et al

7. It is alleged that your organization collected over $ 3,000,000.00, Three Million dollars to help victims of earth quake in Kutch, India in 2001/2002. It is also alleged that out of this funds several houses were
built and this number varies from 4000 to 44000 homes and none was built or very few were built?

8. As a President, You are the chief executive person in charge of this organization. And as such it is your obligation and fiduciary duty to response to various questions raised in this matter.

9. Following are the questions raised and you are the only one who can response, submit the facts and clarify the same.
A. How much funds was collected in USA in USA Dollars for kutch earthquake?
B. Was any receipt given to the donor and who kept accounting of the same?
C. How much fund was sent to rebuilt the houses or other needed help was sent in Kutch, India?
D. To Whom the money was sent?
E. How was it sent? Is there any record cancelled check or draft or mode of exchange to verify or substantiate the same?
F. To which individual the funds was sent and who has the accounting of that?
G. Do you verify that recipient in India has FCNR license issued by Government of India and if so what is that number?
H. Would you be kind to give places and photos where these houses were built?
I. Can you provide the contact person in India where one can go and actually see what is done?
J. Would you be wiling to submit your accounting for review and comments by independent qualified Certified Public accountant in USA at no cost to you?
K. How is your organization related to Swadhyaya of Sri Pandurang Athavlae of India?
L. How is your organization related to Mrs. Talvalkar also known as Didi?
M .Do above two in item K and L play any dominant roll or decision Making process as how this fund is being used? If so please advice As they are not listed as Board of Directors.

10. It is requested that you post your and response of your Secretary or Treasurer the reply to following web site and email address so all will know your side of the facts. It is believed that by letting both sides express their views, Dr. Vijay Mehta is doing superb job. His work
which is also on this site fairly well describes the various noble work of him.
a. Email:Vijayvip@aol.com
b. www.Vijaymehta.com

11. Barot, Amrutlal J., MD Neurology Consultants
3640 High Street, Suite 3C Portsmouth VA 23707
102-G Fairview Dr. Franklin VA 23851 (757) 569-9524
To expedite this mail is also sent to you at this address.

Thank you very much for your kind cooperation

Respectfully Submitted,

Hindu Gujrati

Cc: Messrs. Vijay Mehta, Texas, USA
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sunil on Jul 9th, 2006, 12:48pm

Regarding building of houses in Kutch by the Swadhyaya Pariwar (SP) please note following points.

1) The first edition of Coming Together (a joint venture of Kutch Nav Nirman Abhiyan + GSDMA + UNDP) was published on 3rd June 2001. In which it is stated that Bhav Vardhan Trust (SP) completed 4223 permananent shelter in 82 villages.
This means the (SP) constructed 4223 houses in less than 4 months. Any sensible and rational person will accept that in the disaster situation this is impossible.
However the blind Khotabhais may call this as Chamatkar made by AVATAR, The LORD OF THE LORDS PPP P V ATHAVALE. The blind Swadhayes may sing Bhavgeet discribing this Chamatkar.

2) In the second edition of Coming Together published on 3 rd Sept. 2001 it is stated that 4537 houses are complete.

3) In the 3rd edition published in Jan.2002 it is stated that the Bhavvardhan Trust is providing building material for 6000 houses out of which 4535 houses are complete. The Bhavvardhan Trust confirmed that they have not constructed the houses but have provided the material only.

4) As per the practise of the so called Arthshuchi Athavales they kept on hiding this fact and kept on blowing the trumpet that they built 4534 houses till 19th June 2006 (i .e even after the murder of Pankaj Trivedi)

5) In the 5th edition published in March 2003 it is stated that the SP collected 24 lacs of rupees and spent rs.6 lacs only (Six lacs only)
The ratio per house is rs. 132/-.
Perhaps they must have prepared the boards (in English) stating that this house is built by the Chamatkari Avatar PVA and have distributed them to the villagers as DADANU PRASAD.
Look at this act , even a hard criminal will feel ashamed of it.

6) To support point no 1 above please make a note that another NGO Bhojay Sarvodaya Trust could complete only 786 houses till Sept. 2001.

7) The Zilla Gram Vikas Agency vide their letter dtd 24/2/2006 confirmed that the Bhavvardhan Trust (SP) have not constructed any houses in Kutch.

8) Even going by another lie told by the Junior Athavale any body can understand that you cannot built 4534 houses in rupees 1.5 crores.

9) Lots of people have visited the Kutch after the E.Q why they did not noticed such a huge work done by the SP?

So it is crystal clear that no houses were built by the SP and the Swadhyayees.the NRIs and the public in general were fooled by them.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Swadhayaee on Jul 9th, 2006, 1:20pm

"Thank you. I think due to all the shocking news that has come out and are going to come out for some time, this is as best a time for Swadhyayees as any to do some interospection. This is the time reform minded Swadhyayee need to step up and say, " we are willing to speak up to save what is closer to our heart." Lot of Khotabhai's are under the gun now and they will have to tone down their authorative attitude. If they do not show flexiblity there is a good possibility of a mass exodus. It might give rise to another Su-Swadhayay with all good aspects of original concept added with transparancy, accountability, variety of views on our spirituality and I am sure they will do well. From the feedback I am getting eventhough they are not speaking many Swadhyayee are waking up and ready to step up too.- Vijay Mehta"

Sir,

I read with great interest what you have said above -

By starting this thread you have indeed done an excellent service and to some extent a courageous act (Didi might also target you!) but Sir let me tell you and also remind you that you are living in a "COOKOO'S LAND".

I am an existing Swadhyaee for last many years and have seen how the system works from its hay days to present time. You need to be a Swahayaee and a Krutisheel to understand the inner workings.

The Organization is complete autocratic and there is no room for airing views or democratic discussions or quality suggestions.

People who raise their slighest voice are excommnincated!

The message from Didi is very loud and clear: If you are not happy and do no like our way of workings, simply live. There are many people to fill your space.

In Swadhaya, Didi does not want people who are kind, soft hearted, spiritual minded, willing to accept true guiding principles of Swadhaya.

She & her cronies, (Motabhiais) are looking for "yes men" and not true thinkers or contributors to take the movement forward as Dada wanted it WHEN HE SAID BHAKTI IS A SOCIAL FORCE".

It seems this has become a Gunda Force in the name of Bhakti Force.

Remeber what Duryodhasn was like! I see no difference here.

This is why I use the pharase "Cookoo's Land" with no disrespect to you.

Secondly I wish to share my view on : "Satvic Dan" (charity giving).

I do not think any one should part with their hard earned $$$s and give to Swadhaya as there are so many places of need in India where you can donate yourself when you visit the country.

No doubt Dada has shown a way to keep aside 'x' share of your income for good causes.

What we have done is instead of giving to Swadhaya twice a year, I have opened a separate savings accoount. At Ramnavmi & Diwali, we as a family put our share into this account and when there is a large+meaningful sums in the account, this money is sent to the Ashram for the blind children in Rajkot.

My children have visited this palce and when they saw the young blind children they had tears in their eyes. This is another way of teaching the life realities to the children.

Therefore Swadhaya is not the only place to give money as it has lots & lots as per the reports from what Justice Diwan had said earlier.

Choose a palce where you can see the result of the money which is well spent for the benefit of the needy.

I can assure all, there are endless places in India, where by giving your money you can make a difference in people's lives.

Finally Satyam,

No point serving the sort of Notice to Dr Barot here in this forum.

Remmber 'ENRON' - SOME OF YOU FROM States can get together and send him a legal NOTICE under the USA charity laws.

This is how 'THE OFFICIALS' can be BROUGHT to ACCOUNT. But I see a problem here. You need evidence of any wrong doing.

Swadhaya works in such a way that it does not leave behind any trails of wrong doing, this becomes legally difficult to prove and it is for this reason Didi is laughing all the way.

Regards to all -

Hi Swadhyayee,

You are right when you say, since I have not been an active member of Swadhyay, I do not have deep perspective as you do.
You are wrong when you say, I am living in cuckoo's land. Sometime it is the person outside who can see things that you guys can not. Intimidation, fear of ex commucation, fear of physical safety of you and your family etc do play a role. But, but what I am suggesting is this..
With the advent of internet it is possible to reach golbal audience. Group of Swadhyayees are already meeting in Amadawad, Rajkot to discuss, opening of Bhav Nirzar. This is a good begining. It is like they have been held hostage for so long, it will take sometime to develop normal abhorance to lies and injustice. But it will happen.
With the current media focus on operation of Swadhyay more people are likely to start thinking and asking question to themselves.
If you had been a Swadhyayee, there must have been good aspects of that, otherwise you would not have stayed there. Think of all the good things it had to offer and see if you can carry it forward.
You are absolutely right when you do your Daan with your own hands. Writing a check is not a great act. No matter what Sampraday you belong to, you must ask yourself, why can't I do the charity with my own hands? YOU DO NOT NEED MIDDLE MEN TO DO THE CHARITY!
There is a difference between Motabhai's in India and in USA. I am just hoping that sizable number of them will get the back bone and do the right thing.
The feedback I am getting makes me more hopeful than I should be.
When you have to choose between Guru and Govind, you need to choose Govind, because your love for Guru was only because you thought he/she was leading toward Govind.
Let us see how the events unfold.
Satyamev Jayate
-Vijay Mehta







Purnimaben Pakwasa on Didi
Post by NRI EX SWDHYAYEE EX FOOL on Jul 9th, 2006, 1:53pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by EX NRI SWADHYAYEE EX FOOL on Jul 9th, 2006, 2:01pm

THE KHOTABHAIS DO NOT EORK AT MADHAVKENDRA ETC. ONLY COMMON SWADHYAYEES (FOOLS LIKE ME ) TOIL.

WHY DID SWADHYAY BOUGHT AND SOLD MADHAV KENDRA AND MADE TRMENDOUS PROFIT. WHO GOT THE COMMISSIONS FROM THE TRANSACTIONS. iS SWDHYAY.S ORIGINAL PHILOSOPHY IS TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH. WHY SWADHYAY BOUGHT SONY THEATRES. WHY DECENTRALISED KENDRAS WERE CENTRALISED INTO ONE IN CHICAGO. WHY STUDY CIRCLES WERE DISCONTINUED( REASO PEOPLE GATHER IN SMALL GROUPS AND MAY START ASKIN QUESTIONS.

WHY MANY MOTABHAIS WERE EXPELLED (THIS PHENOMENON IS NOT JUST IN iNDIA BUT ALSO IN uS.) TO NAME EX PELLED MOTABHAIS 1 JITUBHAI 2 DILIPBHAI OF HOUSTON 3 RASIK PARIKH AND MANY MORE
Chudasama is nabbed - Bhedia in Police Uniform
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 9th, 2006, 2:02pm

Shocking! Iron Rods which killed Pankajbhai found in policeman's house.

He is the same policeman who drives Didi around whenever she visits Ahemadabad.

When is Didi going to be arrested?

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=834&catype=NEWS

Swadhyayi Policeman arrested in Pankaj Trivedi Murder case

2006-07-09 22:46:57


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Ultimately, police have arrested its own man Ghanshyam Chudasama, former PA to Deputy Commissioner of Police A K Jadeja in connection with the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi in the city last month. Police is said to have found iron rods from the residence of Chudasama with which Trivedi was hit.

Chudasama who is also a swadhyayi was PA of the officer who is investigating the Trivedi murder case. His name first came out while police was going through the mobile phone records of some of the suspected swadhyayis in the sensational murder which has rocked the multi billion rupee voluntary organization Swadhyay Soon after the revelation of the name of Chudasama, he was transferred to police headquarters

Soon after the revelation of the name of Chudasama, he was transferred to police headquarters. No action was taken against him since mobile phone record was not sufficient to take action against him particularly when he was a member of Swadhyay parivar.

However, police got vital information about his involvement during the interrogation of five swadhyayis arrested in this case. Chudasama had made several telephone calls to Hitesh Chudasama, one of the persons arrested in this case. Chudasama who runs a catering service used to cater to police and a day after the murder of Trivedi he had even served at a meeting of police officers.

Its present head known as Didi is the centre of controversy that has raised a public debate in Gujarat and among swadhyayis about the organisation’s functioning. After about 20 days of the murder Didi made a television appearance last week. She talked about various issues but avoided any comment on Trivedi’s murder saying that matter was subjudice.

Police had earlier arrested five persons, two from Ahmedabad and three from Saurastra for the alleged murder of Trivedi near Ellisbridge Gymkhana on June 15. These persons are Mansing Arjan Vadera of Junagadh, Chandrasinh Manubha Jadeja of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Narubha Jadeja of Jamnagar and Dakshesh Hasmukhlal Shah and Hitesh Singh Ramesh Singh Chudasma both from Ahmedabad.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 9th, 2006, 2:16pm

Pankajbhai exposed 'Shraddha' Trust.

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060710/guj/national/news3.html
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Bharat Bhai Taiyar Ho Jao - Bulawa Aaya Hain
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 9th, 2006, 2:18pm

Bharat Bhatt the Motabhai of Gujarat is under microscope and likely to be arrested soon.

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Trust money used for Didi's posh lifestyle
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 9th, 2006, 2:27pm

Swadhyayees are told to pay for they own ticket and tiffin (meals) while on marketing trips for Swadhyay. But the supremo enjoys jet travel and posh life style from the trust funds. When would it open the eyes of followers?

Athvale family had been milking Shradhdha Trust for their own personal expenses.

Read Gujarat samachar article in Gujarati

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060710/guj/national/news3.html



Partial Translation:
Teachings in Swadhyay has been for even the poor Swadhyayee to pay for their own expenses when they go on Swadhyay business. But, it seems that those rules were for preaching masses but did not apply to Athavale family. Who says you must lead by example??

Pankajbhai had discovered shocking information that Shraddha Trust is paying for the living expenses of DADA, TAI, DIDI & her Husband. All the money for this purpose was from the donation received from Gujarat.

Pankajbhai also discovered that Trust was also paying rent for an apartment in Mumbai's posh area - Nepiansi Road - Paradise Apartmant (what an approprite name!). Interesting fact is that the apartment is owned by Dada's Wife Nirmala Tai. That means the trustee is paying herself rent for living in her own apartment!!! In 1996 Shraddha Trust paid 2,33,697 Rupees.

Shraddha Trust also pays for the servents for Didi's family. 1996 they paid 88,000 Rupees and in 2000 it went up to1.80,000 (Cost of living going up in paradise!) Shraddha Trust also paid for their personal bills such as electric bill, telephone bill, medical bills etc. in 1996 they paid 7,28,016 Rupees while in 2000 they paid 10,26,914 Rupees.

One more interesting fact - Roha in Maharashtra they built a new home for Pandurang Shashtri and expenses were paid by Shraddha Trusts. These building are personal properties then why does trust have to pay for these? Was the question Pankajbhai Trivedi was asking.

No wonder someone felt that Pankajbhai was too much of a threat that he needed to be silenced for ever!

I wonder what do Didi supporter have to say about this? I shall wait for response from Navinbhai.
The text in Red are my thoughts as I read the article - Vijay Mehta


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 9th, 2006, 2:29pm

July 9, 2006

The Organization is completely autocratic and there is no room for airing views or democratic discussions or quality suggestions. People who raise their slightest voice are excommunicated!

THANKS FOR YOUR VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. IF SWADHYAYA IS AUTOCRATIC ORGANZATION THERE IS NOTHNG WORNG, BUT THEY MUST SAY SO AND DO NOT HIDE?

Finally Satyam, No point serving the sort of Notice to Dr Barot here in this forum.
THIS IS NOT LEGAL NOTICE TO ANY ONE BUT JUST AN ATTEMPT TO GIVE THEM CHANCE TO VOICE THEIR VIEWS AND UNDERSTANDING. UNFORTUNATELY VYAKTI PUJA PREVAILS SO HIGH AMONG MNAY COMMUNITIES THAT THERE IS PROVERB IN HINDI WHICH SYAS THAT DUNIYA ZUKTI HAI ZUKANEWALA CHAHIYE. MANY EVEN EDUCATED FAIL TO UNDERSTAND IT AND FOLLOW BLINDLY UNDER THE NAME OF FAITH AND GOD.

OFCOURSE WE ARE ALL AWARE OF ENRON, AND WORLD COM WORLD. HOWEVER AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE ARE THEY TO DAY? DEAD OR BHIND BAR? NO DOUBT IT TOOK LONG TIME AND COST MILLONS OF TAX PAYERS DOLLARS TO LITIGATE ENRON AND WORLD COM LAW SUITS , BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE DESPITE THEIR HIGH POLITICAL CONNECTIONS, THEY LOST AND JUSTICE PREVAILED.
ONE CAN ARGUE THAT MR. KENNETH LAY DID NOT SUFFER DUE TO HIS DEATH, BUT THAT IS GOD’S WILL.

IN ADDIITON ONE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT LITIGATION BY AN INDIVIDUAL OR ANY ONE IN USA COURT IS EXPENSIVE AND COST PROHIBITIVE. LEGAL COST CAN RUN FROM $ 150.00 TO $ 500.00 PER HOUR?

HOWEVER IF SIGNIFICANT IRREGUALARITIES ARE NOTED YOU CAN REQUEST AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OF STATE OF ILLINOIS WHERE THE SAID CORPORATION IS REGISTERED TO INVESTIGATE?
HONORABLE LISA MADIGAN ESQ.
ILLINOIS STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL. WWW.ILLINOISATTORNEYGENERAL.GOV.
Chicago Main Office
100 West Randolph Street
Chicago, IL 60601
(312) 814-3000

YOU ARE PREFECTLY RIGHT AS THERE ARE SO MANY DESERVING INSTITUTION AND INDIVIDUAL WHO CAN USE GENUINE HELP IN INDIA AND EVEN HERE IN USA.

WHAT IS UNFORTUNATE ABOUT THIS IS THAT UNDER THE GUISE OF RELIGION THEY FOOLED THEIR DEVOTEES AND FILL THEIR OWN POCKETS THEM SELVES.
LIKE IT SAYS IN GUJARATI ” PAPNO GADO BHARAI JAI TYARE FUTI JAI CHHE.”
I HAVE FAITH THAT SOONER OR LATER ALL CRIMINALS WILL BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. PREVIOUS 3-4 YEARS CASES WHICH WERE CLOSED ARE NOW BEING REACTIVATED. THIS IS JUST START.

GOD BLESS AND GUIDE US ALL IN PROPER DIRECTION. REGARDS.

SATYAM



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 9th, 2006, 3:01pm

Good discussion so far on taking legal actions against DAY.
One thing I would like to point out is that there are so many Charity Watch organizations who would be willing to help us.
Chalo Ghansyam Chalo Jail ke Aur Chalo
Post by Guest on Jul 9th, 2006, 3:13pm

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=834&catype=NEWS



Chalo Ghansyam Chalo Jailke Paas Chalo

Chiththi (warrent)Aaye Aayi Hai Chiththi Aayi Hain


Swadhyayi Policeman arrested in Pankaj Trivedi Murder case

2006-07-09 22:46:57
Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Ultimately, police have arrested its own man Ghanshyam Chudasama, former PA to Deputy Commissioner of Police A K Jadeja in connection with the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi in the city last month. Police is said to have found iron rods from the residence of Chudasama with which Trivedi was hit.

Chudasama who is also a swadhyayi was PA of the officer who is investigating the Trivedi murder case. His name first came out while police was going through the mobile phone records of some of the suspected swadhyayis in the sensational murder which has rocked the multi billion rupee voluntary organization Swadhyay Soon after the revelation of the name of Chudasama, he was transferred to police headquarters

Soon after the revelation of the name of Chudasama, he was transferred to police headquarters. No action was taken against him since mobile phone record was not sufficient to take action against him particularly when he was a member of Swadhyay parivar.

However, police got vital information about his involvement during the interrogation of five swadhyayis arrested in this case. Chudasama had made several telephone calls to Hitesh Chudasama, one of the persons arrested in this case. Chudasama who runs a catering service used to cater to police and a day after the murder of Trivedi he had even served at a meeting of police officers.

Its present head known as Didi is the centre of controversy that has raised a public debate in Gujarat and among swadhyayis about the organisation’s functioning. After about 20 days of the murder Didi made a television appearance last week. She talked about various issues but avoided any comment on Trivedi’s murder saying that matter was subjudice.

Police had earlier arrested five persons, two from Ahmedabad and three from Saurastra for the alleged murder of Trivedi near Ellisbridge Gymkhana on June 15. These persons are Mansing Arjan Vadera of Junagadh, Chandrasinh Manubha Jadeja of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Narubha Jadeja of Jamnagar and Dakshesh Hasmukhlal Shah and Hitesh Singh Ramesh Singh Chudasma both from Ahmedabad.

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Motabhai likely to follow
Post by Guest on Jul 9th, 2006, 3:16pm

Latest news..Police is suspecting Ahmedabad's Motabhai.
(turned out they were right it was Bharat Bhatt - Motabhai of Gujarat)

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_05.asp

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Showcause to Investigate
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 9th, 2006, 3:48pm



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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 9th, 2006, 5:00pm

on Jul 9th, 2006, 3:48pm, Guest-Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai wrote:
News Item on Yahoo. Nothing new but just to show that every news media is covering the story.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060707/48/65pii.html


Swadhyay will deny these reports as usual. Where is jayshree btw?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 9th, 2006, 7:35pm

News papers in USA covering Pankajbhai's brutal murder!

www.gujarattimes.com

www.divyabhaskarusa.com

www.indiatribune.com

May be letter to Amit Barot can be published in one of these newspapers.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KK on Jul 9th, 2006, 7:42pm

Does any one have the CD recording of DIDI's close circuit shibir that was held recently in US? There was an article a few days back in Gujarat samachar that stated they had obtained a CD about this shibir - but there was no link to it.

I am curious to listen to it.

Thanks,
KK
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 9th, 2006, 8:20pm

Dear Vijay Bhai

"yeh bhansuri(flute) hi yaron, bichdee hi apne van se
Videsh se aarahee hai hawaa, vatan ki taraf khubi se"

Its good to know that the incident allerts in US media & its a good suggestion to print the letter to Barot in a US daily is more effective.

Now the great (secret) TV interview proved her a sub standard quality of leader-ship. The way she reacted to questions the interview deffinetly created a sort of confusion in the camp with in, there is no doubt at all.
Now its not the right time to tell that she is the part of parivar, cause she was projected her self as "Mata Bhawani, The Goddess".

Now she told to ask NRIs who gave crores, this statement gives a way to have an introspection, I think

and atlast a police Swadhyayee, he should get double punishment because he is Swadhyayee and also a police


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 9th, 2006, 8:26pm

India Tribune publishes it weeklt edition on Tuesdays.

If the letter to Amit Barot can reach India Tribune tomorrow morning, they will publish it in this week's edition.

Here is the link to India Tribune.

http://www.indiatribune.com/index.aspx

Here are email addresses of the editors.

prashant@indiatribune.com

rao@indiatribune.com

Also it an be published in India Abroad as well.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 9th, 2006, 8:31pm

Latest news:

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=192053

Cop’s ex-PA in police net

Didi associate Chudasama arranged for stay of other five; he was under suspicion from beginning, says DyCP

Express News Service

Ahmedabad, July 9: A former personal assistant of Deputy Commissioner of Police (Zone I) A K Jadeja and an ardent follower of Swadhyay Parivar, Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama, is the sixth man arrested in the Pankaj Trivedi murder case. City police on late Sunday night arrested Chudasama on charges of murder.

A K Jadeja said his former PA had been under suspicion from the beginning. ‘‘Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama was under suspicion since the beginning of the case. Friends of Trivedi who came to meet me at my office after the murder had told us that he was an ardent Swadhyayee and that he could be involved in the murder.’’

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Chudasama, 31, a resident of Shivalay Apartment in Satellite area, is considered to be very close to Swadhyay Parivar head Jayshree Talwalkar, popularly known as Didi.

Jadeja said that though Chudasama was under suspicion, they could not arrest him earlier in the absence of evidence.

On July 4, five Swadhyayees were arrested by city police from Ahmedabad and Saurashtra for allegedly executing the murder of Trivedi.

‘‘The five who are in police remand pointed towards Ghanshyamsinh’s involvement in the case on Sunday. We arrested him after he confessed to his involvement in the murder during interrogation,’’ Jadeja said.

According to Jadeja, Chudasama had made arragements for the stay of the five in Ahmedabad four days before the murder. “In fact, they had tried to attack Trivedi four days before June 15 also. Chudasama has been charged for committing murder as he was aware of the attack on Trivedi and helped in executing the same,’’ Jadeja said.

Meanwhile, the six accused are maintaining that they just wanted to hit Trivedi to teach him a lesson as he was damaging the reputation of Swadhyay Parivar and never intended to kill him. Jadeja did not venture more information saying interrogation of the arrested men was still on.

The other five in police custody are Chandrasinh Jadeja from Rozia village in Paddhari taluka of Rajkot, Hiteshsinh Chudasama from Vasna, Daxesh Shah from Maninagar and Bhupatsinh Jadeja and Mansinh Vadher from Rajkot city.

Meanwhile, the three pipes that Bhupatsinh used to attack Trivedi were recovered. While one of the pipes was recovered from an AUDA garden on the Sarkhej-Gandhinagar highway, two were recovered from Bhupatsinh’s residence in Rajkot. Police have also recovered a bag in which the pipes were kept and clothes which Bhupatsinh wore on June 15, the day Trivedi was attacked and killed.

Two police teams have been sent to Rajkot and Paddhari at the residences of Bhupatsinh Chudasama and Chandrasinh Jadeja and investigations are on.




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Shradhdha Trust on Jul 9th, 2006, 8:35pm

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Murder is not big issue in Gujarat
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:23am

Dear Vijay Bhai,

Did you remember the riots of Gujarat ?

I would like to ask question to Mr. Mehta why dont you start new forum for this people who killed by Modi's order and discuss that. Because here is only 1 death but It was thousand of death of innocent people.......

Pls..give me answer of this....

Hi Kamal,

Amadawad riots was a sad chapter in our history. What happened there was simply unbelievable and as you pointed out it was done with tacit approval from those in power.
Not only that but hundreds of thousands of moslem were in refugee camp for a long time and they lived in terror. I have a feeling that lots of gory details were left out by media on covering the event out of fear and intimidation.
If you wish you could start a new thread on it. Only problem is people have a short memory and many may have put this off the front burner.
As for my self I was ashamed to be a Gujarati when that happened. - Vijay Mehta


Check out article in English:

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=833&catype=NEWS








Gujarat overtake Bihar
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:35am

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Gujarati will also forget Pankaj bhai's murder
Post by kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:39am

That's why, Gujarati will forget about this pankaj bhai....and swadhyay will continue as it was.....Didi will be on her post........What you think ?
Answer is NO. The way one after another chapter is opening I doubt if Swadhyay can continue business as usual. I am actually worried that if the same angry Swadhyayee one day realize that they have been duped by Didi, will she need some protection from her own folks? - Vijay Mehta



About brainwashed people
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:46am

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Rastriya School in Rajkot puts and end to Swadhyay
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:51am

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060710/guj/gujarat/news2.html

Rashtriya School in Rajkot which has been home of Swadhyay activities for more than two decades has instructed to Swadhyay that they will not be allowed to conduct their activities at school effective immediately until Nov 06.

Based on the request from many citizens school official felt best course of action was to temporarily suspend the use of school facilities.



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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 01:01am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by JP on Jul 10th, 2006, 02:17am

Hi this is JP a journalist at Gujarat samachar in Ahmedabad who covers Swadhyay episode after Pankaj trivedi's murder here and working hard for it, witnessing every espect of this case right from the murder site. I am delighted to see my latest article about Shradhdha trust translted in English by Vijaybhai and presented to this forum. I am going to make one article soon about Pankaj trivedi's case in blogs and hopefully will try to contain all blogers feelings in that one.

I have audio c.d. of Didi's speech that I read one bloger wants to listen. Please add your i.d. to my messanger i.d. that is rockstarjaps@yahoo.com, come over chat when you fine me online and I will make you listen to her speech using voice chat. Record it at that time if possible and do try to broadcast it in podcast manner or by other means.

Thank you JP,

I must congratulate media for being brave and reporting. It must not be easy. Why don't you post her speech on Podbazaar and we can post a link here so everyone can hear? Keep us updated. - Vijay Mehta


is there any swadhyay like activity in india ?
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 02:21am

Hi Sir,

If you believe we should leave swadhyay and come in the row of opposer. Than, I whould like to ask , is there any activity in india ?


One thing, I strongly believe that DIDI will not give up her position. And no-one from swadhyay even ask to give up that, or even think to give up that.

You have seen nothing yet!!

I have a feeling that as the Kaubhand comes to light and people in power (Didi and Khotabhais) have to leave it is not going to be a pretty picture. When sheep is sinking the even rats run away from it.
For many years they may have been preparing for it. There will be lot of finger pointing, grouping and regrouping, no one can trust the other anymore! I am also concerned that the guys who committed the crime if they come out without serving time they may face threat from others for what they said in lock up. And if the average Swadhyayee get real angry God knows what can happen. People had passion for Swadhyay. They have invested so much. And for it to colapse would not be easy to digest and just move on. That is why I am hoping those selfless leaders who have nothing to hide might be planning as to how to gain back the control of this hijacked mission. It would be very interesting to watch how it plays out. But peaceful transfer of power is not one of likely scenario. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 10th, 2006, 02:24am

Dear Vijay Bhai

since 1986 to 2002 i was an active swadhyayee and if you leave 1972 bhavmilan samaaroh all these years are Glory days of swadhyaya we can say Thirth Raj Milan, Manushya Gourav Din(chowpaty and others), Raman Magsasay Award, Templeton Award etc.
I was involved in Prayog, Teerth yatra etc & i took part in Vidya Prem Vardhan Pariksha (4) also.But after 2002 i stopped immediatly after Patotsav, Thats the last time when i saw Dada and i understood Swadhyay is going in wrong track then i stopped to attend any Kendra.
Today morning i met one of my ex-collegue and still he is attending when i met him I asked him about the recent problems. Then he told me that "Dekho bahi aaj my yahan hoon to dada ke vajah se, didi kya kar rahee hai woh mujeh nahee malum bas dada ke vichar----

Then I asked him ok, if Dada vichar ( idealism) is not there then? Dada him self told in Ved Mantra that A real Swadhyayee will not go for vyakti poojan , he will go for Vichar poojan; if you are respecting the true idealism then we cant say this type of language its looks like a "Laachaari" and just i want to ask you how can we establish the true love towards Vichar ; its challange because majority swadhyayees sticks to this point only?




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 02:37am

Hi, Karanbhai,

I read your post that you are inactive right now.

I will have same situation like you. So I just want know that what r u doing right now ? Have you joined any organisation ? have u consult to any Baba ?

Exctly I just want to know that what I will do to keep my mind fresh after swadhyay ? What will I do by that my child learn Gita ? etc. etc.

Pls reply....
CHUDASAMA ARRESTED .. GETTING CLOSER TO DIDI
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Ghanshyam get 14 days of remand
Post by kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 03:01am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 10th, 2006, 04:32am

Silly question, but what is the Shrada trust and the background behind it. How did pankaj bhai get the details regarding the payments ?.

I know Presidents get their expenses paid and have certain allowances. But Didi made it clear she is not the President.

The wealth of Swadhyay Parivar is held in several trusts, with different trustees.
Shraddha Trust was formed in 1990. Four months after forming the trust it was decided that this trust will provide for all the expenses of Adhavale Family.
Pankajbhai smelled something was not right back five to six years ago so he started investigating from all sources, people he knew, information available. Also since he has been in high echelon of Swadhyay, he was better able to understand the facade behind this than anyone else.
He noticed that all other trusts' address was Nirmal Niketan while this was the only one with the address Mukund Mansion! It was his incessant digging of facts and presenting to the authorities that made him "must go" But smartest thing he did is he let so many people know about all these that facts would come out. Now that he is murdered that is exactly what has happened. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 10th, 2006, 04:52am

Dear Kamal,

Now my age is almost 49 and iam a lighting engineer
just iam giving you my back ground because iam curious of your age group, thats all

next now a days i read every day Dada ji pravachan and its better for you i think that you can sit with your family and read one page and discuss about that just like a studt-circle. me and my close friends are doing the same.

Morning after pratha-prardhana i will take 12th Adhyay for 10 days, 15th for 10 days and other any Adhyay for 10 days. Evining i read every day but weekly me and my friends (only 4 + me) will sit and discuss. Presently we are discussing "Tulsidal" and we are taking references from RK Srivastav's "Vital Connections".

I have 4 shibir notes we are taking some references from that also. Of course now there is a problem when we discuss about prayog and some other Bhav prasang then we cant put that much "bhav" like before but our group all 4 are understanding people and we are doing that.

next now we kept some wealth seperatly but still iam trying to get some idea to donate and Vijay Bhai site is giving a direction for that also.

So, please advise me if you have some thing

I truely believe that opportunity to do good deed is all around you. When it comes to writing a check to someone to do my deed I am very conservative. Earthquake, Katrina, Tsunami etc are exception. I think it changes us when we help someone ourselves and that is important. To me most of these so called charities are big business trying to dupe us and make money. I also highlight some people who are not God but use their personal wealth and time to do the job. I salute those people.
I strongly believe that you go to a Mandir just donate enough to support daily activities but real charity you do it your self. May be we shall start forum where people can post how they did it so others can learn from it.- Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 10th, 2006, 05:07am

Dear Ravi Bhai Patel

Where are you? after 8th july iam searching your postings, really we miss u
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 06:14am

Dear Karan and Kamal Bhai,

Am here but dont have anything so say as media and this discussion has already showeded out everything, Also I have been trying to discuss this issue with my family members who are core swadhyayi.

Did you remember the riots of Gujarat ?
yes, I do and have been remembering them since their origins. you have to know the history of roits in Ahmedabad and mentality of Muslims to discuss them in detail.... As Mr.Vijay Mehta said why dont u start a new Discussion for it.

Did you remember how many innocent people killed in this riots?
Its always inocents OR so called "Brave" who die in this kind of Roits. "BRAVE" Brain washed by community leaders.

Did you know who was the boss of this riots?
I donno who was the Boss but can surely say that in all previous Roits in Ahmedabad the Boss was Gangster Abdul Latif " Gangster Abdul Latif (Strong ISI and Dawood Ibrahim connections) contested the civic polls from five constituencies as an independent and won all five! They had to release him from sabarmati once he was elected. The fate of Ahmedabad was now in the hands of extremists.

http://www.geocities.com/indianfascism/fascism/ahmedabad_riot.htm

THIS WAS THE 1ST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF GUJARAT ROITS THAT MORE MUSLIMS DIED THEN HINDUS..... I AM AGAINST THE KILLING OF AN INNOCENT PERSON EITHER HE IS HINDU OR A MUSLIM, BUT YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM TO KNOW THE MUSLIM MENTALITY BETTER.

GOD BLESS US ALL

RAVI PATEL

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by sundeep shah on Jul 10th, 2006, 06:21am

I totaly agree with you ravi bhai, we gujarati's would never fight anyone or kill anyone unless we are pushed extremly to do so. May be thats the reason most Gujarati's dont even eat meat, we dont belive in killings. If we dont even have guts to kill an animal how can we kill a Human!

KURBANI KURBANI KURBANI, ALLAH KO PYARI HAIN KURBANI.....


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 06:34am

"THIS WAS THE 1ST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF GUJARAT ROITS THAT MORE MUSLIMS DIED THEN HINDUS....."

this is 100% true, who started the roits? I dont think that we Gujarati's would start something stupid like roits, we are only good at starting businesses. It has always been hindus dying we dont even have any wepons, muslims are supplied with wepons and bombs... its not all muslim people that are bad. Only few muslim start this all who are supported by pakistan ISI and its their benifit to do so or want to do illegal activited like selling drugs and wine in Gujarat. All the previous roits were so bad that Hindus living in kalupur, Dariyapur, Juhapura, Astodia, laldarwaja area moved on the other side of river. They always lived in fear, why dint media or world dint say anything then. Look at any part of world and what you will see is its always muslim people doing all terorist activites, its in their blood and religion. Even when USA is trying to help them in Afghanistan and Iraq, they kill the American soilders there.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 06:49am

Just like a brain washed swadhyayi or Motabhai would not think twice to file a false complain in court or kill someone trying to expose the Didi's and Dada's wrong doing, same way Muslims are motivated to terrorism because of the Koran (holy book of Islam) tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven is to die fighting in the cause of Allah. If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins.

http://www.citizensoldier.org/72virgins.html

Whats the reward a swadhyayi is promised by Didihuh

Any Idea!


Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 10th, 2006, 07:06am

Ravi...About Islam....I always thought it was interesting how you are asked to lead a pious, simple life on earth, and your reward when you get to heaven is one of sexual pleasure (ie a physical sense reward)? Never really understood that one...

JP....you are the first journalist that has posted here...we welcome all of your thoughts and observations on this forum....I am a non gujarati based in the US, so please do not hesitate to keep us informed of the happenings in Amdavad.

Vijay...have you gotten any backlash from the US based Swadhyay management for hosting this forum?

So far so good. When I meet the people we bahave as if nothing has happened. Many young members are shocked at the information and they are trying to gather information from all sources. - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 10th, 2006, 07:33am

on Jul 10th, 2006, 07:06am, Guest-Unbelievable wrote:
So far so good. When I meet the people we bahave as if nothing has happened. Many young members are shocked at the information and they are trying to gather information from all sources. - Vijay Mehta


Id like to see them (yuva)discuss what has happened in a dbt cheesy

Would love to see the sanchalaks spin doctor themselves out of that one.
Re: the interview on friday
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 10th, 2006, 07:36am

Was that an exclusive interview done on friday ? Why was the interviewer so rubbish.

What sort of deal was cut to get an exclusive interview. Its commonly known in western politcal media, that if you want to bury a story, you do it on a friday evening. Watch the west wing as a great source material for this.

Fewer people watch or read the news during the weekend.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 10th, 2006, 08:07am

Can any lawyer in Ahemadabad let us know, if inciting police employee to murder some body is 'anti-national' or not?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 08:17am

Where is Jayshree? Why she is still not questioned by police? I hope truth will comeout soon.

Please also note that swadhyay leaders attacked other 10 people too like Vinoo Sachaniya, Hitendra Gandhi etc. It clearly means that top head of swadhyay is behind all attacks and still she is roaming free. It is dangerous for everyone.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 08:41am

on Jul 9th, 2006, 8:20pm, Karan wrote:
Dear Vijay Bhai

"yeh bhansuri(flute) hi yaron, bichdee hi apne van se
Videsh se aarahee hai hawaa, vatan ki taraf khubi se"

Its good to know that the incident allerts in US media & its a good suggestion to print the letter to Barot in a US daily is more effective.

Now the great (secret) TV interview proved her a sub standard quality of leader-ship. The way she reacted to questions the interview deffinetly created a sort of confusion in the camp with in, there is no doubt at all.
Now its not the right time to tell that she is the part of parivar, cause she was projected her self as "Mata Bhawani, The Goddess".

Now she told to ask NRIs who gave crores, this statement gives a way to have an introspection, I think

and atlast a police Swadhyayee, he should get double punishment because he is Swadhyayee and also a police



Dear Karan, Why double punishment? Because he was swadhyayee? you think swadhyay going people should be better than others. I strongly disagree. Please do not compare people based on whether they go to swadhyay or not? It is a cheap swadhyay kind of mentality.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 10th, 2006, 09:33am

Dear Makwana sahab
Iam really sorry Ididnt mean it!!

But i remembered an incident when you raised the issue
once we went Ghadwal for bhakti pheri there i met a professor and his hobby Tracking also. He was a nice person, 3 days we was there. he never utter a word againist Swadghyay and what ever we are talking he used to listen carefully and he called all village people also. After 3 days when we are leaving that place ( that time we were new and over enthuastic) i asked him about his opinion to join in this activity ; then he told very calmly " Iam not aganist or Iam not skeptic, but the only thing Iam thinking that after dada will it go furthur i have still not clear about your systems.. but you dont think these all just do what you are doing"

I dont mean all swadhyayees are good but if you are holding Geeta for even 5min in a week i expect you should good

if you see that professor he is having a vision where as after doing 14,15 years also i couldnt able to see what is truth and what not!!

Iam really sorry in that sense and its good you have asked me thank you really
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makawana on Jul 10th, 2006, 09:51am

on Jul 10th, 2006, 09:33am, Karan wrote:
Dear Makwana sahab
Iam really sorry Ididnt mean it!!

But i remembered an incident when you raised the issue
once we went Ghadwal for bhakti pheri there i met a professor and his hobby Tracking also. He was a nice person, 3 days we was there. he never utter a word againist Swadghyay and what ever we are talking he used to listen carefully and he called all village people also. After 3 days when we are leaving that place ( that time we were new and over enthuastic) i asked him about his opinion to join in this activity ; then he told very calmly " Iam not aganist or Iam not skeptic, but the only thing Iam thinking that after dada will it go furthur i have still not clear about your systems.. but you dont think these all just do what you are doing"

I dont mean all swadhyayees are good but if you are holding Geeta for even 5min in a week i expect you should good

if you see that professor he is having a vision where as after doing 14,15 years also i couldnt able to see what is truth and what not!!

Iam really sorry in that sense and its good you have asked me thank you really


Dear Karan, Do not call me saheb. I am not swadhyayee and I never was as I do not believe in Vyakti pooja and moorti pooja. Well, but I know many swadhyayee who are really good people at heart. The point is swadhyay did not make them better people. They were always better. However, because of swadhyay they also developed some sort of ego in their behavior and they seem to be proud because they were swadhyayee.

In short, you do not even need Geeta or Koran to become good. Your parents , teachers at school always teach you good things and it is not necessary that it is must to read Geeta or go to swadhyay or swami narayan or any such cult to become a good person.

Anyway, it is really nice that many people here are working hard to expose swadhyay. I wish you and them good luck.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Japs on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:35am

Ghanshyam chudasma who was in police is ordered for 10 days remand by court today. Believe me, if everthing goes perfect, he will tell police he was ordered by DIDI to murder Pankajbhai.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:41am

on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:35am, Guest-Japs wrote:
Ghanshyam chudasma who was in police is ordered for 10 days remand by court today. Believe me, if everthing goes perfect, he will tell police he was ordered by DIDI to murder Pankajbhai.


Lets hope for the best. Lets see if Jayshree's name comes out. Believe me, It will then become a big political game and swadhyay has money power to win such games
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:45am

Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Gandhinagar MP and Leader of Opposition in the Parliament, L K Advani, will visit Ahmedabad on Tuesday on one day visit of the city. He will inaugurate Vasant Gajendra Gadkar overbridged near Shreyas crossing.



It will be interesting what Mr. Advani tells CM on whether to arrest true killer of Pankajbhai or not!

Swadhyay Don have threatened CM through Advani before!




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:47am

Justice J R Vora rejects the stay for remand against 5 accused in kiling of Mr Pankaj Trivedi, with a note saying "Not Before Me". Who is paying Mr Yatin Oza's legal fees, because he charges a lot Rs. 50,000 or more to represent his clients..

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:53am

"Swadhyay Don "DIDI" have threatened CM through Advani before!"

I hope Advani is not comming to Ahmedabad to cut a deal so that the swadhyay Don's name does not appear further in the investigation. lipsrsealed


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A Common hindustani on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:00am

on Jul 10th, 2006, 10:53am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
"Swadhyay Don "DIDI" have threatened CM through Advani before!"

I hope Advani is not comming to Ahmedabad to cut a deal so that the swadhyay Don's name does not appear further in the investigation. lipsrsealed


Well Ravi, I wont be surprised if it happens. Jayshree is smart and saswadhyay can provide a huge vote bank for advani's party. I just want to see "JADI" in jail. undecided
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:17am

On Zee news, Arjun Modhvadia, Opposition leader from Congress openly alleged that CM is playing games in not arresting 'Didi'.

He alleged that CM is playing Politics of Religion by first not providing protection to Pankajbhai and now by not arresting 'Didi'.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:43am

on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:17am, Guest-Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai wrote:
On Zee news, Arjun Modhvadia, Opposition leader from Congress openly alleged that CM is playing games in not arresting 'Didi'.

He alleged that CM is playing Politics of Religion by first not providing protection to Pankajbhai and now by not arresting 'Didi'.


I knew it. It is a political game now. Where is swah no adhyay.
Jayshee, are you listenening?
swadhyayies, are you watching and learning from it? OR still acting as if you are blind fololwers. Wake up guys... cry cry cry
poor judgement by Swadhyay Don
Post by Analyst on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:08pm

It seems Jayshree's master move of killing Pankajbhai backfired at her. She never thought there will be so much of investigation. Jayshree and few Khotabhais would never have thought about this. Poor vision or too much of confidence shown by Jayshree T.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:14pm

Mukhda dekh le jadi zara darpan main
Dekh le kitna punya hai kitna paap tere jeevan main

Khud ko dhoka de mat jadi
aachhe na hote kapat ke dhadhe
sada na chalta kisika natak duniya ke aangan main ..dekh le darpan main..

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 10th, 2006, 12:34pm

Dear Kamal -

In your message #595 you have asked a question whether there is another activity apart from Swadhaya??

The answer is resounding, YES.

If you have understood Dada's Geeta, I can assure you that you and your family will not find difficult to understand Shri Prabhupada's philosophy at the Hare Krishna Temple. If you are in Mumbai, there are two big temples to go to: (1) Juhu & (2) Chowpaty. If you go to ISKCON's site you will find a temple near where you live.

I will accept that its very difficult to understnad Prabhupada to start with but Dada has made our life easy by giving clarity about Geeta.

(For time being forget the facts which are now surfacing that Dada in the name of GOD, turned this Karya in to a multi billons rupees industy for his family- business in the name of religion, "Dharma Ne Namae Dhandho").

I understand that once you get used to studying philosophy, the real mind is in quest and here is your answer.

My only advice is, do not jump but take baby steps, one by one and slowly digest.

At the end of the day you will be interacting with the fellow human beings and as the saying goes: Where ever you go, CROWS are black everywhere!.

And also my advice is to continue to go to Swadhaya kendra regardless of the atmosphere. I know its not easy.

People may talk anything about Hare Krishna but let this not affect you.

Remember Lord Krishna's message: "One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well" (Text 6.5)


Godd luck & feel free to come bacl to me.

Regards - Hare Krishna.




Yogeswar Krushi great for Didi
Post by M on Jul 10th, 2006, 1:02pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060711/guj/national/news4.html

Dada should get an award for coming up with unique prayogs. One of his touted one was yogeswar krushi. Didi owns more than 30 farm houses thanks to yogeswar krushi. And with free labor of thousands of farmers her farms are probably most productive farms in India. If Didi would make this a public company, this would be the great investment.

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Enough evidence - not enough balls to arrest Didi
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 1:04pm

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060711/guj/gujarat/news7.html

There is enough evidence to arrest Didi, but the question remains - does the government have balls to do what needs to be done? Or their fear of vote bank will neuter them?


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 10th, 2006, 1:53pm

July 10, 2006

Gandhiji once said,
" A silent spectator of a crime is also responsible
and indirectly helping criminals by not
fighting against the crime."

Slowly but surely police is attempting to put to gather the sequence of events. It is very difficult task, but fundamental of investigation is that to protect one lie you have to dream or create 100 more lies and some where along the line you get caught lying and fall on your own face. No power in the world can stop the truth. It is said in Hindi that “ BHAGVANKE GHAR DER HAI ANDHER NAHI HAI.”
Despite one of the most powerful and resourceful post of the President of USA, Nixon has to admit the truth at the end and resign the presidency in disgrace.

As you can see in last 5 days the accused murderers has changed their stories three times? And now Mr. Ghanshyam P. Chudasam, Personal assistant cum Stenographer of D.S.P. Mr. A.K. Jadeja (Who is in charge of the investigation of murder of Pankaj Trivedi) is arrested, allegedly linking Mrs. Jayhsree Talvalkar also known as Didi to the whole episode of murder.

HOWEVER IT MUST BE CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE ARE ALL JUST ALLEGATIONS. NONE OF THE PERSON IS YET TRIED. SO THEY ARE ALL INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY IN COURT OF LAW.

IT DOES GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALL TO ADMIT THEIR GUILT OR INNOCENSE IF THEY WERE MISGUIDED OR BRAINWASHED BY OTHERS. IGNORANCE OF LAW IS NO EXCUSE, BUT WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEING AND SOMETIMES WE GET CARRIED AWAY BY GREED OF OTHERS.
THINGS CAN HAPPEN TO ALL. YOU MAY REECLL THAT LATE MR. JOHN CONNALY WAS GOVERNOR OF STATE OF TEXAS. HE WAS ALSO SECRETARY OF TREASURY DURING PRESIDENT REAGAN ADMINISTRATION. IT IS ALLEGED THAT AT TIME OF HIS DEATH HE WAS BANKRUPT WITH ONLY HOUSE LEFT TO SPENT HIS LAST DAYS.

ONE MAY READ BOOK CRIME AND PUNISHMENT. HUNGRY MAN STEALS A LOAF OF BREAD TO SATISFY HIS FEW DAYS HUNGER? IS HE GUILTY OF STEALING OR SOCIETY HAS TO TAKE THE BLAME?

CONTRARAILY PEOPLE LIKE ATHAVALE FAMILY WHO FOOLED ALL IN THEIR GREED IN NAME OF GOD & RELIGION AND COLLECTED CRORES OF RUPEES TO UPGRADE AND SATISFY THEIR LIVING STYLE AND STANDARDS AND MURDERED WHO OPPOSED THEM. LET YOU BE THE JUDGE?

Remember what mark Twain said. "I am opposed to millionaires... but it would be dangerous to offer me the position."

There are SEVERAL parts to this case.

1. Mismanagement of funds and operation of several Swadhyayee
trusts for which Mr. Pankaj Trivedi gave his life, as he was
relentlessly trying to expose the culprits. He made tremendous
sacrifice for truth and gave his life. This work of his must be
continued by all peace and God loving and true religious
person and expose the truth as it may be and wherever it falls.
This is going to be major task for all who truly believes in
truth and service to humanity, which is service to God, irrespective
of religion, creed, caste or country of origin.

2. Second part is to determine who were behind the murder of Mr
Pankaj Trivedi and related details. This will solve the legal issue of
punishing those who murdered Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Please
understand that solving this problem does not solve the significant
decay in the institution it self. It is alleged that there are over 1200
plus crores of rupees cash plus lot of valuable real estate.
12,000,000,000 INR
India Rupees = 261,235,411 USD i.e. 261 Million Dollars.
United States Dollars
1 INR = 0.0217696 USD 1 USD = 45.9356 INR
12,000,000,000 INR
India Rupees = 141,234,351.16 GBP. i.e 141 Million Gibraltor pounds
United Kingdom Pound
So you can see that it is huge amount by any stretch of
imagination. It is alleged that funds in Millions exists in USA and
UK.

3. Attack on Vinubhai Sanchani few years back. Master mind Mr.
Manish Savani is arrested and so are his associates. Just 3 years
ago this case was closed and no one was punished.

4. It is believed that Police has arrested the people involved in attack
on Mr. Rajubhai Shah in 2003.
a. Jaisukh Ram Avadia, Public works department engineer &
master mind in this attack.
b. Vishvadip Jagdevsingh Chudasama
c. Jagdish Bhupat Jadeja
d. Meramen DEvsi Solanki
e. Bharat Devdas Gohil
Law will takes it course and determine who were behind this.

5. Other Swadhyayees who have been victims of violence are:
a. Vinodbhai Sosani (Gajjar)
b. Satishbhai Patel
c. Haribhai Vaghasia
d. Industrialist Maehshbhai Shah
e. Rubhai Shah
f. Vinodbhai Viththalbhai Shah
g. Shankarbhai Thakkar
h. Satishbhai Rupani & family

6. Basically there are Government of Several countries are involved.
But roots are in India. Outside country there are other officers of
non profit organization.

a. USA Federal Government
b. United Kingdom Central Government.
c. Government of India, New Delhi
d. Government of State of Maharashtra where Swadhyay is head
quartered and where Mrs. Jayshree Talvlakar also known as
Didi resides.
e. Government of Gujarat, more specifically City of Amdavad
and Rajkot. It is difficult to understand why Police has to wait
for directives of the ruling government to arrest related
persons? Legislative body passes the law and it is the function
of the Police officers to enforce the laws. They do not need
any one’s approval to arrest person if he or she violates the
laws of the State? It is alleged that over 100 crores has been
given in one form or the other to BJP and police department
by Didi group to buy them out? Some where it was stated
that Mr. Advani advised Mr. Narendra Modi to expedite the
renewal of lease of Bhav Nirzar in favor of Didi? Why?

Can you imagine the main murderer serving luncheon very
next day of murder( June 16, 2006) to group of law
enforcement personnel in their very first important meeting
about this murder case at Amdavad?
Dear Mr. Narendra Modi this is happening in
your administration in your own city of
Amdavad? WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE? It is
known fact that you and your administration failed to provide anyprotection to Mr. Pankaj Trivedi?
Culprits had penetrated the system all the way to the top and
that is why they appear to be so confident Why is it
necessary for Police department to consult the home minister
to enforce the law which is already on the books. Can the
home minister can throw light on this?

7. It should be noted that laws of each country and state may be
different? Also Please note that all information collected must be
true and not here say or she says, he says or wishful thinking?
It must be the verifiable truth and must stand scrutiny and cross
examination of any legal authority including defendant’s attorneys.
So be extra careful and only give true facts. If the source cannot be
verified say so that this is based on information and belief.

8. First and foremost importance is to get copy of all letters sent by
late Mr. Pankaj Trivedi with following information.
a. Date the letter was sent or written, to whom sent and to
whom copied and number of pages and how it was sent?
Registered, Certified or over night carrier? If so the number of
the same.
b. Mrs. Shrutiben Pankajbhai Trivedi, wife of late Pankajbhai
may be able to help or guide on this?
c. Copy and all related details as what response was received
when and sent by whom, including date and number of
pages?
d. Name, Address, Telephone and email address of all the
following.
i. Internal Revenue Service, Division of revenue who has
jurisdiction over Chicago area non profit 501©
organization.
ii. Similar department in U.K.
iii. Income tax department of Government of India who
has jurisdiction on such institution.
iv. Name, Address, telephone and Email address of Charity
Commissioner of Mumbai, Amdavad and central Delhi
Government.
v. Institute of Charter Accountants in Delhi with specific
department of ethics and whom the complaint must be
filed. Also their local office in Mumbai and Amdavad?
vi. Name, address, Charity trust number and all related
information with name of all the officers of these trusts.
It is alleged that late Mr. Pandurang Athvale has over
40 such registered charity trusts? All related
information for all these trust should be obtained not
limited to the items in paragraph 6 which follows.
vii. Is any of these trust were audited by Income Tax
department or Sales tax departments and if so what
was their findings and copy of all such reports?

9. Information of Pandurang Athavale group controlled NON PROFIT
TRUSTS IN INDIA, UK, USA AND ANY OTHER COUNTRIES.

A Name of the Trust
B. Full address, telephone number and email address.
c. Under what laws of that area this non profit trust was
formed?
d. What date was it formed?
e. Who were the officers at time of forming?
f. Who are the current officers?
g. Copy of the last three years tax retrun files by each and every
such non profit organization?
h. Name of an individual accounting firm who files these tax
return with their full address, person in charge of this filing,
telephone number an email address.

10. As alleged on of such Sharddha was paying all cost related to
Athvale’s family? There ay me more such entities?

11. It is also alleged that Athavale’s group conducted business selling
fireworks items and many other money generating schemes and
pocketed the funds, defrauding Income Tax department, Sales tax
department and more the ordinary people. What is being done by
these government agencies?

12. There will be some cost involved and there must be some kind of
contributing format be devised. Whoever is in charge must publish
report each month and there must be complete transparency. May
be audience, others and Dr. Vijay Mehta can guide?

Once we have this important information than it can be explored as how to proceed further? Regards and God bless you and us all.


Chal Udjare Panchi Ke Ab Yeah Desh Huwa Begana -
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 10th, 2006, 2:13pm

Chal Udjare Panchike Ab Yeah Desh Huwa Bagana

http://bombaysamachar.com/new/details.asp?newsid=32821#headlines
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 2:25pm

on Jul 10th, 2006, 2:13pm, Guest-Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai wrote:
Motabhais fleeing Abroad!

http://bombaysamachar.com/new/details.asp?newsid=32821#headlines

Dear Vijaybhai,

You have mentioned some Navinbhai calling you. Is he one from India and is a Motabhai and now in USA?


does that mean Jayshree already left India? where is she? cry
Chudasama the fall guy Didi the Kingpin
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 10th, 2006, 5:18pm

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1740670,000900040003.htm


"While seeking Ghanshyam's remand we had argued that the accused had masterminded the killing of Trivedi who was clubbed to death on June 15 outside a private club here," public prosecutor NS Saini said.

"We told the court that stenographer was a staunch follower of the head of Swadhaya Parivar, Jayshree Talwalkar aka Didi, and had plotted the killing of Trivedi along with five members of the Parivar (who were arrested by the police last week)," Saini said.

"He had guided the killers (who hailed from different districts of the state) and had arranged their accommodation at a hotel in the city," he added.

The stenographer also used to be a special driver of the 'Didi' and used to drive her whenever she used to visit the city, the advocate said.

According to the police, Trivedi was killed for speaking out regarding the financial irregularities happening in the Parivar.

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The real kingpin is supremo Didi

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The Singapore connection
Post by MARUTI VAN on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:18pm


Listen to the threatening phone call from Nilesh to Vinoo Sachania. This will give you a good view of inner working of Swadhyay. Pay attention to his tone. When Vinoobhai did not recognize who he was talking to, he tells him "I have told you three times Gadheda I am Nilesh." Then he proceeds to say "enough from you. If you write anything about Swadhyay or Dada we will put you in every jail in India. We have already put Pankaj Trivedi in Rajkot jail (note how he uses the 'we' to take credit for Pankajbhai in jail. To their credit they did beat up Vinoobhai while he was in Jamnagar by sending a team of swadhyay gundas under the direction of Manish Savsani (Rajkot Motabhai). But the big question is, does this sound like a spiritual movement? Does this sound like religious parivar? Does this meet your criteria of social upliftment? Now that many of the leaders in Swdhyay has been exposed - Dr Bathani for pedophilia- Asmita for stealing the money from old ladies - Manish Savsani for orchestrating Vinoobhai attack - Bharat Bhatt for presiding over Pankaj Trivedi murder- Do you not see a pattern that leads all the way up to the top??

http://www.zshare.net/audio/6503210809097f14//

Here is the police report filed by Vinoo Sachania for this threatening phone call

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According to news item published by Akila, the MARUTI VAN used by the murderers has a SINGAPORE connection.
Very Interesting..........


http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html

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Nilesh Shahita the Motabhai from Singapore threatens Pankajbhai by email on October 30, 2005. But Pankajbhai goes on to win the case of 'Asubh Patrika"
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:22pm

The family members of swadhyayis arrested and interrogated for Pankajbhai's muredr are mad at Didi as she didn't even called them or contact them to show sympathy....

Har bure Kam ka Anjam Bura he Yaro...............

Read Akila,

http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:30pm

Today, I saw a FAT lady in Burkha comming out from Air India at Newark International Airport in New Jersey, I suspect she could be Didiji, does anyone know for sure if she got converted to Islam??

Metropolitan Court Judge TV Joshi remanded accused Ghanshyam Patuba Chudasama (31), who worked as a stenographer at the city police commissioner's office, to 10-day police custody after police sought a remand period of 15 days.

The stenographer also used to be a special driver of the 'Didi' and used to drive her whenever she used to visit the city of Ahmedabad, the advocate said.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1740670,000900040003.htm

Thanks GOD "Yogeshwar bhagwaan" for helping us find the killers of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Inside Story...... "Didiji has around Rs. 2000 Crore in Swiss Bank and is ready to spend them all if someone can help her out of this Trouble" lets wait and see who is her KARAN.

Would it be L K Advani?? he has already been accused of trying to favour her in past. Advani see u tomorrow in Ahmedabad lipsrsealed

-Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:32pm

Many Swadhyay Kendras, bhakti-feri and Kendra's for Bahen are closed and more are cloing down rapidly.

The parents are not eltting kids go to Swadhyay Kendra.

Read AKila,

http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html

You can FOOL some people all the time, all the people some time but you can not fool all the people all the time.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:41pm

on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:22pm, Guest-Guest wrote:
The family members of swadhyayis arrested and interrogated for Pankajbhai's muredr are mad at Didi as she didn't even called them or contact them to show sympathy....

Har bure Kam ka Anjam Bura he Yaro...............

Read Akila,

http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html


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Bure kaam ka bura natijaa
Kyon bhai chacha (Pandurang)
arre haan bhatiji (Jadi)
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:42pm

Top cop's PA held in NRI murderAdd to Clippings
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AHMEDABAD: Ghanshyamsinh Chudasama, personal assistant to deputy commissioner of police (zone 1) AK Jadeja, was arrested by city police on Sunday evening for his involvement in the sensational murder of NRI Pankaj Trivedi on June 15. Jadeja was supervising the investigation into Trivedi's murder.

Senior police officials said many more arrests would soon follow. Chudasama has been booked for murder and criminal conspiracy. "We have strong evidence against him and arrested him under section 302 and 120 (b) of the IPC," said PK Jha, Ahmedabad additional commissioner of police. Chudasama's arrest is the sixth in the case.

Chudasama has confessed before the cops and also led them to a shop in Rajkot from where the baseball bat used to kill Trivedi was purchased. He has also helped the cops recover an iron rod used in the murder. It was buried in a public garden in Thaltej.

Police say Chudasama, a member of the Swadhyay Parivar, had planned the murder, chosen the killers and provided logistical support to the assailants. Taking advantage of his proximity to senior officers investigating the case, Chudasama had even 'leaked' critical information about the investigation.

Chudasama's name came up during interrogation of those arrested earlier. Jha claimed that police have strong evidence against 16 others. "More arrests will be made within the next 24 hours," he said.

Chudasama was one of the prime suspects in the case. He was suddenly transferred to the Ahmedabad police headquarters a few days after Trivedi's murder as officials found out he had made several phone calls to other Swadhyayis immediately after the murder.

According to Jha, Chudasama was one of the main persons to have planned the murder about three months ago. "He was also involved in the recce before the murder and was in touch with prominent Swadhyayis," Jha said, without divulging the names.

When asked if other 'prominent Swadhyayis' would include the head of the Parivar, Jayshree Talwarker -- better known as Didi -- Jha said, "I do not deny this possibility."

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:47pm

Akila reports Didi's main men "Ghanshyam Chudasama" tried to bribe Rs 5 Crore to Ellisbridge police inspector N K Rathod and ACP R S Chudasama to coverup kiling of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Where did he get such a large sum of money from? He has also been accused of filing false cases against other's trying to expose swadhyay Money and Land Scandal.

Dada amara aava sav na luta teva....... , Tomorrow is Guru Purnima, dont we all need a Guru like him!

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by satyam on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:51pm

Is there any way further information or copy of this 200 page report can be obtained as stated below?.

Pankajbhai smelled something was not right back five to six years ago in Shradhha Trust so he started investigating from all sources, people he knew, information available. Also since he has been in high echelon of Swadhyay, he was better able to understand the facade behind this than anyone else. He noticed that all other trusts' address was Nirmal Niketan while this was the only one with the address Mukund Mansion! It was his incessant digging of facts and presenting to the authorities that made him "must go" But smartest thing he did is he let so many people know about all these that facts would come out. Now that he is murdered that is exactly what has happened. - Vijay Mehta

PARIMAL DABHI Posted online: Sunday, June 18, 2006 Indian Express News paper.
AHMEDABAD, JUNE 17

On Thursday night, Pankaj Trivedi, an NRI, was clubbed to death by some men outside the Ellisbridge Gymkhana here. Two years ago, Trivedi had written to Chief Minister Narendra Modi saying there was a threat to his life from the “leadership of Swadhyay Parivar” because he had been exposing their “illegal activities.” And that his letter may be treated as a “dying declaration” in case he was killed.

Trivedi claimed in the letter that a 200-page report on mismanagement of trust property, misuse of earthquake relief funds, and use of Trust property for personal purposes, had been sent to the state government calling for protection to Parivar members who had turned whistleblowers.

Asked about the letter and the report, the Officer on Special Duty in the Chief Minister’s Office said, “This is a very sensitive issue and we would not like to comment.”

-PARIMAL DABHI & PALAK NANDI



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by IRS on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:58pm

Anyone can send a complaint to Internal revenue Service against any non profit organization, 501-c-3 at this address:

I.R.S.- EO Classification,
4910 Dal.
1100 Commerce Street,
Dallas, TX - 75242-1198

You can pay Trinute to Krantikari pankajbhai by writing to I.R.S.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramu Goli on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:06pm

on Jul 10th, 2006, 6:58pm, Guest-IRS wrote:
Anyone can send a complaint to Internal revenue Service against any non profit organization, 501-c-3 at this address:

I.R.S.- EO Classification,
4910 Dal.
1100 Commerce Street,
Dallas, TX - 75242-1198

You can pay Trinute to Krantikari pankajbhai by writing to I.R.S.



what is the name of swadhyay org in usa? We must complain. Please let us know under which name swadhyay operate in usa?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:19pm

Swadhyay is registered as a Church with Internal Revenue Service under " DEVOTIONAL ASSOCIATES OF YOGESHWAR".

Its Tax I.D. Number with I.R.S. is 36-3049407

D.A.Y's address is:

Devotional Associates of Yogeshwar,
1675 Brittany Lane,
Hoffman Estates, IL-60195

Remember, Pankjabhai sacrificed his for principles, can't we spend few minutes and write to I.R.S.?

If everyone on this forum prefer a letter drafted and posted here, I can do so. Please let me know.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramu Goli on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:23pm

on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:19pm, Guest-Guest wrote:
Swadhyay is registered as a Church with Internal Revenue Service under " DEVOTIONAL ASSOCIATES OF YOGESHWAR".

Its Tax I.D. Number with I.R.S. is 36-3049407

D.A.Y's address is:

Devotional Associates of Yogeshwar,
1675 Brittany Lane,
Hoffman Estates, IL-60195

Remember, Pankjabhai sacrificed his for principles, can't we spend few minutes and write to I.R.S.?

If everyone on this forum prefer a letter drafted and posted here, I can do so. Please let me know.



Please do so if you can. I appreciate your effort. Believe me, I will post letter from my side for sure.
Darshan Do Ghansyam Meri Ankhiya Pyasire..
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:30pm

Darshan do Ghanshyam Meri Ankhiya Pyasee Re..
Murderer and top swadhyayee hides behind the hood to shield his identity. Please remove the Naquab and let us see the real face of Swadhyay.


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:35pm

I didn't know that Jayshree Didi had also her fingers in Machining work and diamond cutting polshihing?

I am sure there is more to come, may be hotel business, travel agency, golf course, and God knows how many more businesses.

How can we find out if she has an account with a SWISS BANK or not?

Read Akila,

http://www.akilanews.com/defualt.html

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 10th, 2006, 7:46pm

Here is the picture of Ghanshyam Chudasama, the main men accused for killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. Lets hope that he gives the name of BRAIN after all this.
Link not working

1. He has admitted being a master mind behind murder.
He lead the police to murder weapon and place where murder weapon was bought from.
He provided logistic support.
He tried to bribe officers 5 Crore Rupees to ignor the murder case - question is how did he get the money? This was not a crime of passion but well planned murder, where Chudasama being close to Jadeja had secret information about the investigation and he also had the access to key players in investigation - so he could bribe them.
I think money trail will lead to higher ups - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BOOKS on Jul 10th, 2006, 8:46pm

I have a old list of Swadhyay books from USA. I do not have the suggested printed price in RUPEES for some of these books but if someone can list it here, we can compare it against what they are charging in US$ and see how much PROFIT they have been making for years.

Please copy this list and place price in rupees side by side and add a colum for % of profit mragin.

Anand Laheri - $ 2.75
Annapurnaastrotram - $ 3.00
Asha Pantha Atat Karm - $ 5.00
Bharatiya Adarsh Jivan - $ 1.00
Bilva Patra - $ 5.50
Chaitanya - $ 17.00
Dadhiti - $ 57.00
Daivyaparadhakashamanstrort - $ 3.00
Dashavatar - $ 5.00
Ganga Laheri -$ 6.00
Geeta Pathey - $ 3.00
Geetamrutam - $ 12.00
Geeta Na Panchpran - $ 1.25
Ishavasyam - $ 5.00
Jiv Bhavana - $ 0.30
Jivan Tirth - $ 4.00
Jivana man Shu Khute Chhe- $ 0.50...Paiso khute chhe..Ha Ha
Kavya Vinod - $ 0.50
Madhurastakam - $ 2.50
Murti Puja - $ 2.50...I thought Dada did not do Parn Prathistha at Bhav-Nirzar....Ha Ha
Nirgosh - $ 17.50
Prathana Priti Big - $ 6.50
Prathana Small - $ 2.50
Rushi Smaran - $ 3.50..You are no where close to Rushi, Mr. Athvale
Sanskruti Chintan - $ 4.00
Sanskruti Pujan - $ 5.50
Sanskrutik Vichardhara - $ 3.00
Shradhdha Part One - $ 4.50
Shradhdha Part Two - $ 4.50
Shri Krishna Jivan Darshan - $ 6.00
Shri Krishnastakam - $ 3.50
Shri Suktan - $ 6.00
shri Valmiki Ramayan - $ 5.00
Swadhyay Geetmala Part One- $ 3.50... Birdavali of Athvale Family..Ha Ha
Prayog Darshanam - $ 4.00 ...See how cunning Athvale was..this is a double whammy....make money thru Prayogs and also thru selling books on these money making Prayogs.......
Tulsidal - $ 5.00
Ved Sar Shivstav - $ 3.00
Vijigishu Jivanvad - $ 3.00
Vyas Vichar - $ 21.00
Dawn of Divinity - $ 3.00
Eternal Ectacy - $ 4.00..Rememeber the drug Ectasy....Religion is an OPIUM..How True!
Homage to Saints - $ 5.00 Not to you Mr. Athvale
Light that Leads - $ 4.00 ...THIS CAN'T BE TRUE AS YOU HAVE converted open minded, free thinkers into your BLIND FOLLOWERS.
The System - $ 8.00
Trikal Sndhya - $ 3.00..This is not Athvale's creation, it is a colection of our centuries old prayers.
Valmiki Ramayan Drashan - $ 6.00
Vachanam Tav - $ 7.50

4 pictures, 8x 10 size - $ 8.00

CD Amrutam Gamay - $ 10.00

grin
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 10th, 2006, 9:33pm

Ghanshyam masterminded murder of swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi

2006-07-11 06:58:56


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Ghanshyam Chudasama, former PA to Deputy Commissioner of Police A K Jadeja, is said to have admitted before police that he had masterminded the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi in the city last month. Ghanshyam who was arrested by police yesterday was produced before a Magistrate who remanded him to police custody for ten days till Julyu 20. Five other swadhyayis were arrested before him in this connection.Police is said to have found iron rods from the residence of Chudasama with which Trivedi was hit.

Chudasama who is also a swadhyayi was PA of the officer who is investigating the Trivedi murder case. His name first came out while police was going through the mobile phone records of some of the suspected swadhyayis in the sensational murder which has rocked the multi billion rupee voluntary organization Swadhyay.

Ghanshyam, the mastermind in the murder of Trivedi had formed an eight member team to eliminate Trivedi. He is very close to Didi, the head of the Parivar a voluntary organization founded by Pandurang Shastri. He hatched the conspiracy with Chandrasinh Jadeja during Kshatriya Sammelan six months back.

In the remand application in the Court, the police have mentioned three others whose names have appeared for the first time in the case which has created sensation in the Parivary which has its members worldwide. These persons are Chandrakant Daki, Bharatsinh Jadeja and Jasubhai. Ghanshyam Jadeja had sponsored the stay of the fourt in Sabarmati before the crime.

During the four days, these four persons did recce of Trivedi’s murder. On that day Chandrasinh, Bhupatsinh, Mansinh, Chandrakanth, Jasubhai and Bharatsinh had come in a Tata Sumo. They were joined by Hitesh and Daxesh.

It has come out that the initial plan was to murder Trivedi infront of Rajpath Club, but the assailants could not find proper time to accomplish the task. Ghanshyam who masterminded the murder was keeping a track of police investigation. It was only on June 18 when his name first came to surface on the basis of mobile telephone printouts of some persons involved that police got hint of his involvement and he was transferred.

Its present head known as Didi is the centre of controversy that has raised a public debate in Gujarat and among swadhyayis about the organisation’s functioning. After about 20 days of the murder Didi made a television appearance last week. She talked about various issues but avoided any comment on Trivedi’s murder saying that matter was subjudice. These persons are Mansing Arjan Vadera of Junagadh, Chandrasinh Manubha Jadeja of Rajkot, Bhupatsinh Narubha Jadeja of Jamnagar and Dakshesh Hasmukhlal Shah and Hitesh Singh Ramesh Singh Chudasma both from Ahmedabad.

To whom we should trust ?
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:16pm

Vijay Bhai,

When I brows swadhyayee.org, the website of Jagrut parivar, Opposer of DIDI, I found the list of False Guru.

I shockd when there is a Swami Sacchidanand shortlisted in false Guru.

Now-a-days, Everybody knows that, Swamiji stand against the DIDI and here picture is different....


Now, tell me, Vijay bhai, to whom can I trust. Who is wrong, Jagrut Parivar or Swadhyay Parivar.

It may be like, either Swamiji comes to media to become famous, it was his stunt or Jagrut Parivar may have some problem because they think only negatively (proof of this link )

Go to...http://www.swadhyayee.org/swadhyay/falsegurus.html



Swami Sacchidanand
(1) Does not believe in reincarnation.
[For example, personally heard him in one of his audio cassettes that he doubts the concept of
reincarnation. He said there may be or may not be reincarnation (punar janma).
In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna himself mentions (more than 10 times) that there is
reincarnation. What more proof does the Swamiji need?]

(2) Does not believe in the lilas performed by Lord Ram and Lord Krishna
mentioned in the scriptures like Ramayan and Bhagavat Puran.
[For example, his book titled "Shu Ishwar Avatar Le Chhe?"
(Actually we don't recommend you read this book. For a sincere spiritual person this book is
poison.) All genuine saints like Sri Vallabhacharya, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Sri Sahajanand
Swami, and others, accepted these lilas and encouraged their disciples to do the same.]

(3) Does not believe in (or makes fun of ) naam jap and kirtan.
[For example, personally heard him criticizing kirtan in his pravachan. All genuine Vedic scriptures
and saints recommend naam jap and kirtan. Great saints like Sri Vallabhacharya, Sri Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu, Sri Sahajanand Swami, and others


Vijay Bhai, Can you clear me about this .....
So what is your point?
Are you trying to say that just because of the fact that he does not believe in reincarnation, leela and Kirtan it makes him any less of a saint?

Who do you trust?
You trust your common sense!
Just because someone has a website saying Panduran Shastri, Didi or Swami Sachchidanand are false guru do not make them false.
But, if you learn their teaching and watch their behavior and your common sense tell you they are false than they are false for you.

Before you become a good hindu you have to be a good human being. There is no evidence that all the leela etc actually happened. It may be the way to explain principles of life to common men & Women.
So what is important is to learn the principles we can apply in daily life.
-Vijay Mehta

Positive or Negative
Post by Kamal on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:23pm

Vijay Bhai,

Someone told , we should be always be positive to live happily........


I have read entire website, www.swadhyayee.org

One thing, I have noted that this website is one of the best example of negative thoughts. There are no any positive point in this website.........

About Swami Sacchidanand also......

So, Which is best for our life, to be positive or to be negative ?

That website is not about the negative thoughts but place for you to go and look at hundreds of documents available for you to look at it for yourself. I am sure not all of the documents there are completely true - it may be the pointof view. But, if you read enough you might see a pattern.

By the way i have deleted the link to sanskrit documents they do not have anything to do with what we are talking about.

To put the picture you need to click on image icon (4th from left in lower row. Than in place of URL you need to paste URL and image will be posted.- Vijay Mehta



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 11th, 2006, 06:36am

http://www.indiatribune.com/popuparticle.aspx?Article_ID=3766
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 11th, 2006, 06:38am

Here is the NEW photo of Ghanshyam Chudasama, Didi's right hand and personal body guard in Ahmedabad, he use to drive Didiji around whenever she visited Ahmedabad/Gujarat. He is accused of planning and providing logistic support in the killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, So now its clear that the murder of Mr. Trivedi was well planned in advance. Lets hope he confesses everything in front of a Judge and brings out the master mind behind all this. Police also linked him to previous filing of false cases against ex-swadhyayee trying to expose dada's and dadi's money scandal.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:07am

What shall be disturbing to many Swadhayees still defending(!) Didi is in spite of being so close to Didi, Ghanshyam can plan Pankajbhai's murder for six months.

One tries to be pious in presence of a truly spiritual person or even a person with good character.

Assuming his mental level is that of a cult member, planning Pankajbhai's murder can only have originated from person Ghanshyam was guarding or driving around.
Happy or not so happy birthday
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:23am

Bharat Bahtt is arrested at 5:15pm IST
Ref; Akila

Breaking News:

Bharat Bhatt has been arrested!
At 5.15 PM police have arrested Bharat Bhatt.
I am sure few people can argue that no one has been convicted of the murder yet.
But, it is obvious that this was a well planned crime and it extended to the hightest contacts of Didi.
All Swadhyayees who are truely committed to the principles of Geeta, need to ask how long are they going to keep facade of "innocent till proven guilty"
Congratulations to Amdawad police - you have worked under most adverse circumstances and have contributed to exposing this crime. This was not a random murder, but had they succeeded in this one only God knows how damaging this would have been.
By the way to day is the day Didi is entering her big '50'. It was supposed to be a celebration of 10 lack people at Bhav Nirzar. But "brahm hatya' has taken the toll in less than one month.
They have asked for ten days of spreading message of swadhyay instead. But, I wonder if that would be a good idea at this time, how many would really want to do it? Even if they tried and go talk to public - would they be talking about headlines or spirituality?

Bhagawanke Ghar Der Hain Andher Nahin Hain. - Vijay Mehta


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Pankajbhai's Letter to Bharat Bhatt and Didi
Post by Guest on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:44am

Arrest of Bharat Bhatt was a critical mile stone in Pankajbhai Trivedi murder. He was not an ordinary man. In Swadhyay Parivar Maharasthra may be a hiding place for the vast amout of wealth or hiding place for supremos, Gujarat is where their most of their man power and money power comes from.

Bharat Bhatt was the Motabhai in charge of this biggest cash cow. He was also the guy who tremendously benefited by making money by selling the fireworks or rakhi etc. He is in the inner circle of confidants who spoke to Didi in London within minutes of the murder (mission accomplished!)

Here is the detail letter Pankajbhai wrote to Bharat Bhatt on October 21, 2001 respectfully expressing all his concerns.



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Bharat Bhatt falls in Police hands
Post by Satyam on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:49am

Bharatsingh Jadeja now in Amdawad and Bharat Bhatt arrest raise hope for critical information may come out.

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Anyone allowing their facilities to be used for Swadhyay needs to get an statement that they had nothing to do with Pankajbhai Murder.
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Police looking for Chandrakant Dabhi - now gone for under ground Bhaktipheri!!!
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 08:15am

Let us have the address of Pankajbhai and names of all family members.
We will send condolence cards thru Post Office (not e-mail)
Re: To whom we should trust ?
Post by M Makwana on Jul 11th, 2006, 08:44am

on Jul 10th, 2006, 11:16pm, Guest-Kamal wrote:
Vijay Bhai,

When I brows swadhyayee.org, the website of Jagrut parivar, Opposer of DIDI, I found the list of False Guru.

I shockd when there is a Swami Sacchidanand shortlisted in false Guru.

Now-a-days, Everybody knows that, Swamiji stand against the DIDI and here picture is different....


Now, tell me, Vijay bhai, to whom can I trust. Who is wrong, Jagrut Parivar or Swadhyay Parivar.

It may be like, either Swamiji comes to media to become famous, it was his stunt or Jagrut Parivar may have some problem because they think only negatively (proof of this link )

Go to...http://www.swadhyayee.org/swadhyay/falsegurus.html



Swami Sacchidanand
(1) Does not believe in reincarnation.
[For example, personally heard him in one of his audio cassettes that he doubts the concept of
reincarnation. He said there may be or may not be reincarnation (punar janma).
In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna himself mentions (more than 10 times) that there is
reincarnation. What more proof does the Swamiji need?]

(2) Does not believe in the lilas performed by Lord Ram and Lord Krishna
mentioned in the scriptures like Ramayan and Bhagavat Puran.
[For example, his book titled "Shu Ishwar Avatar Le Chhe?"
(Actually we don't recommend you read this book. For a sincere spiritual person this book is
poison.) All genuine saints like Sri Vallabhacharya, Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Sri Sahajanand
Swami, and others, accepted these lilas and encouraged their disciples to do the same.]

(3) Does not believe in (or makes fun of ) naam jap and kirtan.
[For example, personally heard him criticizing kirtan in his pravachan. All genuine Vedic scriptures
and saints recommend naam jap and kirtan. Great saints like Sri Vallabhacharya, Sri Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu, Sri Sahajanand Swami, and others


Vijay Bhai, Can you clear me about this .....
So what is your point?
Are you trying to say that just because of the fact that he does not believe in reincarnation, leela and Kirtan it makes him any less of a saint?

Who do you trust?
You trust your common sense!
Just because someone has a website saying Panduran Shastri, Didi or Swami Sachchidanand are false guru do not make them false.
But, if you learn their teaching and watch their behavior and your common sense tell you they are false than they are false for you.

Before you become a good hindu you have to be a good human being. There is no evidence that all the leela etc actually happened. It may be the way to explain principles of life to common men & Women.
So what is important is to learn the principles we can apply in daily life.
-Vijay Mehta

Dear Kamal, you are funny. I never read swami sachhidanand books but myself and many of my friends do not believe in 3 points you mentioned just like sachhidanand. So it means we all are false people and out opinion does not count. Everyone is entitled to have their own thinking and I agree with thoughts of sachhidanand here.

Please do not divert the discussion.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by GUEST on Jul 11th, 2006, 09:32am

Bharat Bhatt and one more arrested in Pankaj Trivedi murder case

2006-07-11 20:11:43


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

City police investigating the murder of NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi today arrested another swadhyayi, Bharat Bhatt of Ahmedabad. Another person Bharat Jadeja was arrested in Rajkot and is expected to be brought to Ahmedabad late in the night.

Bharat Bhatt whose arrest was imminent was rounded up from his residence in Maninagar area of the city. Bharat Bhatt along with Ghanshyam Chudasma used to accompany Didi the head of Swadhyay Parivar whenever she visited Ahmedabad. Ghanshyam used to drive her car.

Police yesterday arrested Ghanshyam who was PA to DCP A K Jadeja. Ghanshyam had master minded the conspiracy to murder NRI Swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi near Ellisbridge Gymkhana on June 15.

Police arrested Bharatsinh Jadeja from Rajkot. His name was first disclosed in police submission in the court during the hearing of application of police remand of Ghanshyam Chudasma. Another person Chandrakant Daki whose name also appeared for the first time is missing.

With this, eight persons have been arrested in this case.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 11th, 2006, 09:34am

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/regionalnews/mehsananews_02.asp

Very inspiring article of Swami and his Disciple.

Swami Sacchidanand is also of same stature and what I have heard is that he also collects crores of rupees but spends it all for public good.

It is this 'Nirbhayata' that have made him 'Muthi uchero Manav'.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:00am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 07:49am, Guest-Satyam wrote:

July 12, 2006

Honorable & Pujniya Guruji:

Ranchhoddas Bapu
Virag Muniji
Morari Bapu
Hariharnadas Maharaj
Swami Vivekanand
Sri Chandra Bhagwan
Pramukh Swami Maharaj
Manharlal Maharaj
Jagdish Bapu
Hariharan Bapu
Dongere Maharaj
Bhole Babaji
Pandurang Dada
OSho
Bajrnagdas Bapa
Mahant Sri Ramkishhordasji Maharaj
Mauni Baba
Jalaram Bapu
Asharam Bapu
Karandas Bapu
Sumirandas Bapu
Bholeram Bapu
Haricharandas Bapu
Above list courtesy of Akila Paper dated July 10, 2006.

Sahprem Namsate to you all. Being Hindu I have highest respect for all of you for choosing noble way of life. To day is very auspicious day especially between Guru like you and Disciple or Shishya like us. It is said that one who removes ignorance and throws light on truth is Guru. Shishya pays her due and respect to their Gurus to day. In our religion Guru is highly respected even more than God.

Most of you are aware of murder of Mr.Pankaj Trivedi on June 15, 2006 in Amdavad for having deferring view with head of Swadhyaya group specifically Mrs. Dhanashree Talvalkar also known as Didi. The case is under investigation and many allegations are made. However any person is innocent until found guilt in court of law.

What is puzzling and bothering to us ordinary person is complete silence of all of you to a point that no one has expressed any sympathy for his family or sent any
message of condolences to his family. Nor any of you have made any comment about this murder for the benefit of general public?
Why? Or do you follow three monkeys story. See No evil, Speak no evil and listen no evil? Like late Mahatma Gandhi. True humanitarian said the following.
" A silent spectator of a crime is also responsible
and indirectly helping criminals by not
fighting against the crime."
Your comments or response in any public format you chose will be most sincerely appreciated by entire Human communities and you all owe it to your self.
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It is our humble request to all of you to send this to any of the news paper as follows and to all Gurus listed here or not for their timely response. Thank you most sincerely for your kindness.

.
Gujarat Samachar,
Sandesh,
Akila,
Divya Bhaskar
Mumbai Samachar
India Tribune,
India Abroad
Times of India,
Indian Express
Hindu
And others you may see fit or overlooked here.

Regards,

Respectfully Submitted,

Satyam



I guess this so called Bapu's and Guru's are or might be themself worried about their own scandals, what are they going to comment on DIDI's wrong doing.

Only a Bold Speaker like Swami Sacchidanand have shown courage, Is the GOD inside other Guru's dead?

There might be few questions in our guru's head as I think.

1. What are the risks if I speak up? Guru's might think they will be fired if they speak up on a controversial subject. Yes, it happens but it is rare. You may be labeled 'disloyal to your GURU'S community'; but you may also be seen as courageous. Many times, the view will be colored by point number one: who gains by you speaking up? Its Pankajbhai's soul, Here we have Mr. Pankajbhai's soul watching them all from heaven.

2. Why dont Guru's speak up? Potential for fraud, fear of Guru's getting exposed to their scandal? Possible loss of life? Jail time? Loss of a night's sleep? Review this question from your personal point of view and the organization's point of view.

3. When is the best time to communicate? If in a group that is open, seeks all opinions, etc., then express your thoughts in the meeting or group. One-on-one conversation (away from the group) may be the best option. Guru's may write an email or call a press reporter of they are afraid to speak up in public.

Guru's show some courage, or you have become like politicians too?

- Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Thanks GOD, I never blindly followed any Guru's but I do listen to them ... My Guru's have always been my teachers, parents and grand parents.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:04am

Its really a good work done by Amdawad police Now the concentration comes in the inner circle, with Bharat Bhatt arrest no one can dare to deney the pariwar invovement in this incident. Now its the turn of Law, let us see how it works? Atlast if this form believes God then please keep it in mind that its the God's angerness after Pankaj Bhai murder and now Law and Politician has to work for justice Ibelieve no body can stop this and atleast there will be a peace in the soul of pankaj bhai
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:08am

Threre are 6-7 bomb blasts in Bombay from Bhynder to Borivli, Kndivli, Kahr, Santa Cruz and Bandra.
One 6:15 pm train at Bandra is blasted off.
Wait for more news.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:17am

Dr. Vijaybhai has put a very good point in his earlier comment re hanshyam Chudasama, "the money trail will lead us to ........."
A Police Dept stenographer possessing Five Crore rupeea to bribe someone! Amazing.......
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sad news on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:32am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:08am, Guest-An Observer wrote:
Threre are 6-7 bomb blasts in Bombay from Bhynder to Borivli, Kndivli, Kahr, Santa Cruz and Bandra.
One 6:15 pm train at Bandra is blasted off.
Wait for more news.

It is such a sad event and still peple fight in the name of religion.

however, it could be a good news for non profit org like swadhyay as they can ask for money for help and make more money out of it. I am sure Jayshree is waiting for another earth quake or tsunami somewhere in India and preferably in Gujarat or Mumbai.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 11th, 2006, 11:49am

Read an article in India Tribune.

http://indiatribune.com/popuparticle.aspx?Article_ID=3766
TODAY IS JAYASHREE DIDI'S BIRTHDAY
Post by Japs on Jul 11th, 2006, 12:48pm

Hey guys today is Jayshree didi's birthday. Here in Gujarat when Swadhyay people announced in their inner circle to celebrate this bday like every year by planting trees, there were nagative feedbacks as Swadhyayee people were reluctant to celebrate her bday. So Motabhais gave a message to these swadhyayee that it is not that 12th July is didi's birthday but it is that on this day Tatvgyan vidyapeeth was established in Mumbai and to celbrate it's 50th birthday we will plant trees. So swadhyayees agreed thus to celebrate 12th July on this point of Tatvagyan vidyapeeth celebration.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:34pm

Oh! they became ready? They are so naive, foolish?
Just 15 days back it was announced that it is her 50th birthday.
These Motabhais should be ashamed of their being men.
They just act like the Kuttas of Jayshree.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:36pm

Has any one carefully read today's "AKILA" ?? (issue of 11 July 2006)

Judging by its tone, I think the paper may have switched its side towards Didi.

I do not know how many cororers of Rs may have been exchanged.

Read for yourself tody's issue and judge!"
undecided
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:41pm

I am sorry for losing my temper and calling them Ku....s.
But these Motabhais still carry on the practice of telling lies to anyway complete the project they have been given.
And.........after completing it, they will announce it as her "50th birthday" project.
can we know the names of these Motabhai?
Motabhai is Khotabhai - Bhavpheri is Lavpheri
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:50pm

Motabhai are Khotabhai
Bhavpheri is Lavpheri
our blog is featured in Gujarat Samachar

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Doing Great Job on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:50pm

he is doing realy good job been long time on this vijayuncle.com
Giving us all kind of inforamtion what's going on right now and which way he thinking

Look at this video's
http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay
And now he is on news paper..u can read on gujaratsamachar.com
Click on this link and read last part u will see his name

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news11.html

Keep it up Ravi..We are wating for some more videos

Thanks
Krantikari

Ravi,
We are going to award you "True Swadhyayee of this Forum Award!
Good Job. Keep up your pursuit for the truth. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 11th, 2006, 2:00pm

on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:41pm, Guest-An Observer wrote:
I am sorry for losing my temper and calling them Ku....s.
But these Motabhais still carry on the practice of telling lies to anyway complete the project they have been given.
And.........after completing it, they will announce it as her "50th birthday" project.
can we know the names of these Motabhai?


So who is at fault? Khotas or swadhyayes who still believe them? I guess India need more educated people rather than religious and bliand faith type of people cry cry
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 11th, 2006, 2:05pm

on Jul 11th, 2006, 1:50pm, Guest-Ravi Doing Great Job wrote:
he is doing realy good job been long time on this vijayuncle.com
Giving us all kind of inforamtion what's going on right now and which way he thinking

Look at this video's
http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay
And now he is on news paper..u can read on gujaratsamachar.com
Click on this link and read last part u will see his name

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news11.html

Keep it up Ravi..We are wating for some more videos

Thanks
Krantikari


Good job Ravi, We are with you.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Hema Malini on Jul 11th, 2006, 2:42pm

on Jul 11th, 2006, 2:05pm, Guest-M Makwana wrote:
Good job Ravi, We are with you.


Good Job Rravibhai....u doing really good job for our indian people

Why u not make some more videos and post it
Because people don't like to read they like to watch ...

Just do it don't worry we are with u

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Beware of GURUs on Jul 11th, 2006, 3:29pm

Characteristics of a Destructive Cult:
1. Authoritarian pyramid structure with authority at the top

2. Charismatic or messianic leader(s) (Messianic meaning they either say they are God OR that they alone can interpret the scriptures the way God intended.....the leaders are self-appointed.)

3. Deception in recruitment and/or fund raising

4. Isolation from society -- not necessarily physical isolation like on some compound in Waco, but this can be psychological isolation -- the rest of the world is not saved, not Christian, not transformed (whatever) -- the only valid source of feedback and information is the group

5. Use of mind control techniques (we use Dr. Robert Jay Lifton's criteria from chapter 22 of his book "Thought Reform & the Psychology of Totalism" to compare whether the eight psychological and social methods he lists are present in the group at question)

Mileu Control: Control of the environment and communication within the environment

Mystical Manipulation: Seeks to promote specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that it appears to have arisen spontaneously from within the environment, while it actually has been orchestrated totalist leaders claim to be agents chosen by God, history, or some supernatural force, to carry out the mystical imperative the "principles" (God-centered or otherwise) can be put forcibly and claimed exclusively, so that the cult and its beliefs become the only true path to salvation (or enlightenment)

Demand for Purity: The world becomes sharply divided into the pure and the impure, the absolutely good (the group/ideology) and the absolutely evil (everything outside the group) one must continually change or conform to the group "norm"; tendencies towards guilt and shame are used as emotional levers for the group's controlling and manipulative influences

Confession: Cultic confession is carried beyond its ordinary religious, legal and therapeutic expressions to the point of becoming a cult in itself sessions in which one confesses to one's sin are accompanied by patterns of criticism and self-criticism, generally transpiring within small groups with an active and dynamic thrust toward personal change

Sacred Science: The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic doctrine or ideology, holding it as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence questioning or criticizing those basic assumptions is prohibited a reverence is demanded for the ideology/doctrine, the originators of the ideology/doctrine, the present bearers of the ideology/doctrine offers considerable security to young people because it greatly simplifies the world and answers a contemporary need to combine a sacred set of dogmatic principles with a claim to a science embodying the truth about human behavior and human psychology

Loading the Language: Words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or phrase

Doctrine Over Person: If one questions the beliefs of the group or the leaders of the group, one is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to even question -- it is always "turned around" on them and the questioner/criticizer is questioned rather than the questions answered directly the underlying assumption is that doctrine/ideology is ultimately more valid, true and real than any aspect of actual human character or human experience and one must subject one's experience to that "truth" the experience of contradiction can be immediately associated with guilt one is made to feel that doubts are reflections of one's own evil when doubt arises, conflicts become intense

Dispensing of Existence: Since the group has an absolute or totalist vision of truth, those who are not in the group are bound up in evil, are not enlightened, are not saved, and do not have the right to exist; impediments to legitimate being must be pushed away or destroyed one outside the group may always receive their right of existence by joining the group; fear manipulation -- if one leaves this group, one leaves God or loses their salvation/transformation, or something bad will happen to them; the group is the "elite", outsiders are "of the world", "evil", "unenlightened", etc


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Krantikari on Jul 11th, 2006, 3:53pm

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_05.asp

We going to have party now....because of they have find out one more Kotabhai in this case

Clik on that link

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 11th, 2006, 4:01pm

In Gujarat some people are thinking of starting a solid
MOVEMENT to ask for the account of the income of "Krushi Utpadan Neepaj".
If our farmers will realize they are being cheated, they will open the eyes of the fishermen too.
Half the battle is won there only.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 11th, 2006, 5:32pm

How the trail will eventually lead to Mafia.

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_16.asp
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 11th, 2006, 6:54pm

Akila reports that Bharat Bhatt the Master Mind Behind Mr. Pankaj Trived's Murder ! How many of you think its true, If that was true, why did he call Didiji the same night Mr. Trivedi was murdered ...... Why was Didi in constant touch with him?? Is there something more going on behind the curtain, Akila please open your eyes and mind before naming Bharat bhatt a "Master Mind", I guess he's just a puppet. Let's wait and see what he has to say, will he spek the truth or he will try to camouflage the wrong doing of his Guru and give her a gift of Guru Purnima? ...... What did he talk with Didi the night Mr. trivedi was murdered?? Did he call to give her a message that the work is done! We all now know what the work was ....


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 11th, 2006, 8:59pm

Dus Bahane Kar Ke Le gai Vitt (money)...................

1. Yogeshwar Krishi - Exploitation of poor farmers

2. Matsya-Gandha - Exploitation of poor fishermen

3. Shubhag - Exploitation of any swadhyayi

4. Yantra-mandir - Exploitation of machinist

5. Heera-Mandir - Exploitation of Diamond cutters

6. Bhav-Samapran - Lav -Samarpan

7. Fire Cracker Sale - Swadhyay also into seasonal business...How about selling watermelon as well?

8. Books - Whopping Profit Margin of around 2500%

9. Audio CD - Huge profit margin as well

10. Picture frame - Selling picture of Dada and also making money, double whammy

Dus Bahane Kar Ke Le gai Vitt (money)...................


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 11th, 2006, 9:28pm

What a shame!

Today US swadhyay pariwar met at kendra level in the evening to offer prayer to Dadaji on GuruPoornima

Mean khotabhai's after the prayer were trying to see if the local pariwar was intact or not. And without any base claimed that all the news items were paid advertisements

Basically they are trying to see if more Pankaj Trivedi's are incubating or not

They don't realize that people are simply awaiting a judjement in this case and a mass exodus will follow


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:00pm

on Jul 11th, 2006, 9:28pm, Guest-Guest wrote:
What a shame!

Today US swadhyay pariwar met at kendra level in the evening to offer prayer to Dadaji on GuruPoornima

Mean khotabhai's after the prayer were trying to see if the local pariwar was intact or not. And without any base claimed that all the news items were paid advertisements

Basically they are trying to see if more Pankaj Trivedi's are incubating or not

They don't realize that people are simply awaiting a judjement in this case and a mass exodus will follow


Which place in usa u r talking abt? anyway, it does not matter
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:07pm

Makwana,

I was refering to NJ

Tomorrow, folks are to gather to celebrate 'Madhav Vrund' (a fancy name for Didi's birthday celebration) by planting 5 plants in backyard and worship it till 19th october (Dada's birthday). They believe Yogeshwar will shower blessing if they worship from birthday to birthday!

Also, this friday there will a big gathering to brainwash folks who did not go for Archirayan by telling them wonderful (false) stories about what happened in Rameswaram

Bunch of liars trying to tame a herd of sheep - how long will they deny the fact
Why you have deleted my post ??????
Post by Kamal on Jul 11th, 2006, 10:28pm

Vijay bhai,

Now, I can understand about you.

You have deleted my previous posts.

You want to hide your negative points. and shows negative of others. Is it fair ?

I believe that how much Jagrut Parivar responsible for current swadhyay Issue is 10 times to DIDI.

Not only Didi is reposible for the bad condition of our Parivar but also Jagrut Parivar.

God will never forgive you, brother.

Why are you doing all this ?

One side you are telling to everybody that swami Sacchidanand is false Guru..Beware of him.......and other side you support him......how's that !!!!!!!

Brothers, first of all you should go to the front of the mirror and see mud in you. Remove that and than speak against somebody.........

Kamalbhai,
The posts that get deleted does not have anything to do with if they are pro Did or anti Didi.
If you post the same linke someone already had done it - that post goes.
If you have blank post - that post goes.
If your post talkes about things not really connected to Pankajbhai's murder - it might go (Like someone started ranting and raving about Modi) not because it is not a good topic but because that topic does not belong here.
I am not pro Sachchidanand or Anti Sachchidanand- I am just happy that he spoke up in public forum without fear of death.
Our forum was mentioned in Akila article along with many comments by Ravi Patel - that is great. But I can not take credit for this forum - the credit belongs to all those who woked hard and posted relevant information.
My job is to keep this post clean enough so it does not overflow with usedless posts. - It is a dirty job but someone has to do it. Thank you for understanding.
Please stay on subjcet - please do not repeat information - please contribute your thoughts

I am deleteing your post on bombay blast and false guru they are repeatation or wrong location.
Vijay Mehta








Perfect Man..
Post by Kamal on Jul 11th, 2006, 11:35pm

In this world , there is no any perfect man....

man those you looks good but he might have atleast one Negative things.

Have you examined bad things in Jagrut Parivar.......?

Jagrut Parivar always shows negative things of others ? like Swami Scchidanand....!!!!!

Have heard the story of half glass of water ?

'tame nathi manta k swadhyay ni badnaami ma DIDI to javabadar chhe pan vadhu javabdar Jagrut Parivar chhe'

'Billi (Jagrut parivar) - Billi (swdhayay parivar) ni ladai ma bandar favi gaya'


"Chhelle to Nuksan kone thavanu ? Na tamne k Na Didi ne "

well,

'Bhagvan badhu joi rahyo chhe '










Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 12:48am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 11:22pm, Guest-Kamal wrote:
Hi All,

Is this not reallity huhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuhhuh??


http://www.swadhyayee.org/swadhyay/falsegurus.html


Can you believe Jagrut Parivar is wrong.......or Right......?



Jagrut Parivar is wrong and venomous, I agree. That doesn't make everything better - it does not justify the murder of Pankaj Trivedi, the nepotism and ego of the Swadhyay leadership, the poor governance of Swadhyay institutions, or anything else.

If we are strong, we will be able to withstand false accusations - it is only if they are true that things escalate.

If Jagrut Parivar is responsible for 90% of this crisis (which is questionable, it is weak to blame it on others) we are still responsible for 10%. That is 10% more than should be acceptable.



beaware of religious brokers
Post by An athestic on Jul 12th, 2006, 01:36am

I do not belive in God. ans so, i do not belive in this religious brokers. only i belive in is form a good society and belive in our childrens who are future of this society.
the history says, even the present days are witnesses that terrirsom starts with religions.
i been reading few comments of this forum and read many articals about pankajbhai and his murder and gives me satisfaction that great... i am not part of any of this sect, religion or follower of any tom, fool, harry. i like to see my own foot print and do not want to follow somebody's.
in this case i do not have right to write about this incident but being a social person or to form a good society i would say please do not listen or do not follow this idiots. they are nothing but your brain washer.

I like one of the earlier comment about all babas, bapus and gurus who are quiet and not speaking a word about this incident. because if they do then they are trapped. the only one came out and he seems like politician. he said "he was about to go to hunger strik if no victims were found". he saw someone's gas is light up so started cooking his own Khichhdi.

swa-parivar:
i thought they do not collect any money for any reason how come they have unaccounted money. the pity part is pankajbhai who had been in this activity for many years how come he realize very late that there is so much money and it is unorgenized.
many news artical writes that pankajbhai was involved with this activity for many years and had many foreign trips with the older man "dada". the way pankajbhai has collected and has presents all documents and proofs, anyone can say he was a smart guy. being a smart guy he never before suspected the older man's view? or may be he thoughts that the older man was allright but the present lady is not. then why he wanted all account to be match which is engaged with the older man and he was part of it.
Guys we all have a soft corner after dead person because we all are emotional fools. this case is littel bit fishy. may be the guy wanted to have all money control or he was't or stoped paid by the lady.
It is always says in gujarati that:

FUND tya BUND.

Swadhayayee: i read their site and seems like another hopeless or BUND people who seems like kicked out of big chunk of FUND.
And now they are bastards too. because they are kicked out of their old family and nobody claims who is father of this mission. i did not read about pankajbhai's involvement in this site. if he was part of this site then from me it is clear-cut that they all are after money.

please please please do not think that by writing this i favour the swa-parivar. very early i gave my introduction and i will stick with what i belive. the only thing i know that they all are same.

Vijaybhai thank you very much for this oppertunity.
Re: TODAY IS JAYASHREE DIDI'S BIRTHDAY
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 12th, 2006, 03:39am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 12:48pm, Guest-Japs wrote:
Hey guys today is Jayshree didi's birthday. Here in Gujarat when Swadhyay people announced in their inner circle to celebrate this bday like every year by planting trees, there were nagative feedbacks as Swadhyayee people were reluctant to celebrate her bday. So Motabhais gave a message to these swadhyayee that it is not that 12th July is didi's birthday but it is that on this day Tatvgyan vidyapeeth was established in Mumbai and to celbrate it's 50th birthday we will plant trees. So swadhyayees agreed thus to celebrate 12th July on this point of Tatvagyan vidyapeeth celebration.



Okay so what year was vidyapeeth created. I hope it was 51 years ago and that Mrs Tallwalkers birth on that date was just a coinincidence. If not well it makes a mokery of the theme of keeping your ego in check.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 12th, 2006, 03:55am

Dear I R H,

So many things changed. Study Circles stopped, Group gatherings almost finished. DBT no more....Then yesterday when they met to put the plants on this b'day why not a change?

every year we listen that 8million plants planted : but where are these all plants going ; what ever it may be There was a series of bomb blasts in Mumbai (Gangotri)
a responsible group should not bother to take a decession that its a national tragedy and we will go to every hospital or 2families go to one victim ; after all 190+620 almost 800 victims ; The Parivar should take a decisssion like that ; am I wrong?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 04:48am

Another Politician speaking in Favour of Didiji to get swadhyay votes? Its Dr. Chandrikaben Chudasama (I hope she is not related to another chudasama involved in murder). She blames the opposition govenment (she is from congress and BJP is currently running the state) for the murder of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi because they dint provide security to Pankajbhai and thus he was killed, why does not she see the pre-planned well executed mureder plan? She also praises Dadaji for reaching 1000's in remote villages and bringing them together and teaching them about Ramanayan and Mahabharata.
For your kind information Dr Chandrikaben the villagers knew Ramanayan and Mahabharata well before Dadaji reached there, may be thats the reason Villagers are more polite and humble then people living in Cities. It has been their way of life since last 5000-6000 years. Dadaji knew well the psychology of poor and innocent Villagers, they would do anything in the name of and for GOD. May be thats the reason Dadaji started in the name of GOD "Jay Yogeshwar" which he has a COPYRIGHT for http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60282 and himself tried to become GOD.
Dr. Chandrikaben please read this and let me know if he was really working for upliftment of poors or his own upliftment.

http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60282
http://www.swadhyay.org/krishi.htm

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What a political thing to say for Dr Chandrikaben Chudasama.
The fact is...
1. There are series of crimes against ex swadhyayee by staunch Swadhyayees including murder. This crimes are well planned and protected by high police workers. (Executed in Mafia style to create fear and covered up by police & government in the past)
2. There is vast amount of wealth in various trusts.
3. Swadhayay has refused to point out single home out of 4500 they claimed they built in Kutchchh. There is a credible evidence of siphoning of funds collected for humanatarian purpose being used as personal wealth.
4. Ghanshyam Chudasama offered Five Crore Rupees to close this case, where did he get this much money from?

And only thing our elected leader is concerned

1. Is to blame government for not providin protection? How about congratulating them for finding four who did it, finding the murder weapon, finding a police officer who was the link?
2. you also say it is not fair to mal align a female? IF the female is a Rakshasi under the skin of a cow she needs to be taken in police custody just as fast as a man.
3. The criminal element she is talking about is the current leadership and group of staunch Swadhyayee.
4. Why does she not ask for a thorough and quick audit of all financial activities of Swadhyay and the case will resolve much faster. Once this is done millions of dedicated Swadhyayees can go back to work building our society.
5. Chandrikaben you need to discolse any association you might have with Didi so we can understand your comments.
6. Why are you making this a battle of sexes. This is the war between people who have hijacked a mission to a personal empire and now trying to control in a Mafia style. Regardless of gender of the leader crime is a crime.- Vijay Mehta

Yogeswar Krushi - dupe innocent farmers
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 04:53am

Dear Chandrikaben and others,

Please read this and you will know for sure how Dadaji helped poors and villagers in the name of GOD. Its in Gujarati

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news10.html

- Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
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Time to reopen Satish Rudani Assult Case
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 12th, 2006, 05:44am

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Re: beaware of religious brokers
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 05:54am

Response to An athestic #692

I was born and raised in a village, so I was made to belive that there is GOD and he is always watching us and our good and bad deeds. If we do good we will go to Heaven and if bad deeds will go to hell. I personally think that there is some force running this show, and thus I do belive in GOD, because logically without a creator there can not be creation, By observing the nature you will find how intelligently god has created humanbeings, animals, plants, birds etc The internal functioning of these creations is amazing and what science could so far reveal is very minimal. You will also find that there is purpose for everything in this world. When the baby is born, mother's mammery glands get activated to feed it. In egg, white and yellow substances maynot be for making omlette but the food for the chick till it comes out and can eat its food on its own. Flowers are given colours to facilitate pollination, and may not be to make you feel happy., as an additional inducement, honey is also provided in ceratin flowers to attract the bees.You are given power of taste to your tongue so that you will eat and power to digest the food you have eaten so that you continue to live to complete your purpose of your living .To give you rest, when darkness envelops on setting of the sun , your brain produces melatonin to induce sleep. You do not get sex urge immediately after your birth but has to wait until you attain certain physical maturity. So observe the nature, you will find the existence of the supreme power who intelligently control everything through its laws. Hydrogen combined with oxygen(H2O) always makes water and not fire though both the gases are inflammable. The earth does not change itscourse or speed of its revolution around the sun as it pleases If you can prove something what is proven becomes within the limit of your knowledge, but GOD is beyond your knowledge and trying to know him with your physical mind is trying to measure the waters of the ocean with the help of a small cup. So how can I prove? You may call the supreme power whatever name you like, but its existence can not be denied by any rational humanbeing.. As regards the miseries of the world, human mind has tried to explain, but probabaly the more rational explanation is the law of karma believed by us hindus. I have seen dead person's soul "Atma" or bhoot entering into a living persons body and talking about past and present. So, if there is bad "evil" there is GOD.

IT WAS ME WHO COMMENTED ABOUT ALL POLITICIANS, babas, bapus and gurus who are quiet and not speaking a word about this incident.

Many news artical writes that pankajbhai was involved with this activity for many years and had many foreign trips with the older man "dada". the way pankajbhai has collected and has presents all documents and proofs, anyone can say he was a smart guy. being a smart guy he never before suspected the older man's view? He might have suspected him but Dada's grip on this organization was so strong that no one would have noticed him. (Even after so much is out there and he is killed you dont belive Mr Pankajbhai. He has been trying to expose this all since 1999) Some blind followers in Swadhyay have been made to belive with fabricated stories that Dadaji was somekind of "AVTAR of GOD". Even till the day Mr. Pankaj Trivedi was killed I thought he was just trying to expose Dada and Didi because he dint get his share of wealth, thats what lots of people thought too.

But now the truth is out there and I truly respect Mr. Pankajbhai Trivedi the brave man with Great Heart, because you really need a lot of courage to say anything against someone,already protraited himself to his 1000's of followers as AVTAR OF GOD. Someone who has lots of Money, Power, Connections and Followers. Swadhyay followers collectively filed 100's of false cases in court against him, was physically and mentally harassed, still he fought against all odds. Can you or me have guts to do this?? I ask this to everyone reading this discussion.

Guys we all have a soft corner after "dead person" because we all are emotional fools. Now, both the person are dead (Dadaji and Pankajbhai) whom do you have soft corner for? As 1000's of blind followers of swadhyay were emotionally brain washed in the name of GOD, not one had guts or even say anything against their god Dadaji. But the guys who opposed Dadaji's work were named "evil" and it was ok to get rid of evil in order for dadaji's work to continue. Few fools thought that were getting rid of evil and thus killed a Brave man.

This is my thinking its upto you to decide whats right and whats wrong.... because GOD have given you brain too and ability to think. God Bless you.


I am not against Dadaji / Didiji, this are just my views.
-Ravi Patel
ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 06:14am

The killers have acknowledged killing of Mr. Pankajbhai Tivedi, and thus the trail has lead the police to arrest Mr Bharat Bhatt. The pictures of killers are all over news then whats the meaning of having them parade in front of the Guard who saw the killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi?? Can the guard still remember the killers after 30 days or if he forgot he could still look up their faces in Newspaper and refresh his memory.... Please place your views !

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 06:28am

What Pankajbhai showed to the world is that as a 'Swadhyayee', you will not get a single rupee from Athavale family managed trusts, whether you are a earthquake victim, poor farmer, Adivasi, Hira-Ghashu, fisherman, middle class urbanite(who is trying desperately to make two ends meet) or even when you kill somebody for them.

What we are seeing is that non-swadhyayees like lawyers(filing wrong cases against Pankajbhai), politicians, auditors, charity commissioners and policeman(or policemen) will get lot of money from Athavale family to cover up their sins.

What Pankajbhai have done is that he has proved it to the world that Athavale family run Swadhayay is a big scandal and for a coverup they can go to any extent including killing people.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 12th, 2006, 06:32am

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 06:57am

on Jul 12th, 2006, 06:32am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:
They have confessed under duress, lets see how that fares in a court of law.


If they would have confessed it under duress, the trail would have not lead the cops to arrest others involved. They seem to have realize the mistake they made and are cooperating with the cops, or may be the lawyers might push them to lie in front of a Judge, to get the "swadhyay Parivar" out of this. Police have also recovered the evidence and the tools used to murder Mr. Pankaj Trivedi by them. I guess the Jury is convinced, now lets see what the judge has to say!

choor chahee kitna hi chalak kyo na ho, koi na koi saboot to chood hi jata hain.

-Ravi Patel

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Would Villagers rise and ask about Yogeswar Krushi
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 07:19am

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news3.html

Gujarat Samachar reports "Villagers might ask for account of money collected by swadhyay parivar in the name of Yogeshwar krishi"

Since 1970 Swadhyay Parivar had undertaken a project called Yogeshwar Krishi ( Farms of God ). It is the practice of collective farming of a single field (normally of three to five acres) in a village by the villagers who each offer devotional labour, possibly for one or two days per cropping season. The resulting crop belongs to no one except God.

The benefits of the harvest are redistributed in the village for common good as well as individual need not as loan or charity, but as divine grace (prasad) NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPANED ANY OF THE VILLAGES INSTEAD IN SOME VILLAGES THE LAND USED FOR THIS "YOGESHWAR KRISHI" PROJECT HAS ALSO BEEN SOLD BY THE SWADHYAY TRUST. POOR AND UNEDUCATED FARMERS ARE ALWAYS KEPT IN DARK.
The recipient (Dadaji) is under no obligation to repay it and definitely no interest has to be paid on such sums.

This Money is deposited in swadhyay Trust, whose sole owner is now Didiji. FARMERS ARE EAGER TO NOW KNOW, What happend to all this money acculated in those trust as the condition of villages are same, and not even a single Rupee is spend in upliftment of the villages and the villagers.

As the scandal exposes their eyes are opening too.

http://www.swadhyay.org/krishi.htm


- Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 12th, 2006, 07:22am

In fact, the culprits are usually cowards. When questioned alone they normally break down. Since they have worked as puppets, they do not even know the full story or the plan. In order to save the self they always tell the truth. There is no need of durace.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 07:50am

Pankajbhai is the one who have taught us how to sustain 'duress' and still be 'nirbhay'.

Cowards like Didi and her motabhai will now see what 'duress' is.
why do you need five people ?
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:03am

Another stupid question.

but why did it take five people to kill one man, who was cleary no kung fu fighter type.

Also was there a bhavgeet and pratna and chintan done before, after or during the murder.

Cant belive it takes five khystria to kill one man..... The whole thing seems as though they planned to be caught . Very unpfofessional and unorganised.

Why use five people when one would have done ?

Have they found dna eveidenc on the iron rod that was used as the murder weapon ?

Why would the stenographer make such easy and stupid mistakes. Did he have no idea how the police work. Why did he have phone records that also helped implicate him.

'Stupid Answer'

Pankajbhai is not killed at all! It was all 'leela' of Didi and her henchmen to expose 'Mafia' elements in religion.


Why five people?
May be if one or two get cold feet at the moment others can take over.
May be to provide logistic and moral support. One or two may be watching others may carry out the act.
May be brain storming.. what to do if there is a love bird couple and they might watch us.
Pankajbhai was tall and in good physical shape and if he had been able to inflict the wound on assailant they would have some explaining to do .. so the force has to come from behind and had to be brutal. With five one or two may engage him in conversation from front and the rest can hit him from back.
May be everyone wanted to get brownie point from supremo - to prove their allegiance and in future they can rip some benefit.
Who knows...
From my point "More the merrier" may be one or two weak ones will open their mouth wide"
Thank you Yogeswar for their stupidity!
-Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:26am

Gujarat Global Article in English

http://www.gujaratglobal.com/nextSub.php?id=847&catype=NEWS


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Bharat Bhatt who was arrested yesterday in connection with murder of NRI Swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi was today remanded to police custody for eight days. In its remand application Police said that Bhatt would be taken for lie detector and narco brain mapping test. Another accused Bharat singh Jadeja who was arrested yesterday from Rajkot was remanded for three days.

Bharat Bhatt is known as Motabhai in parivar and is very close to Jayshree Talvalkar popularly known as Didi. According to police, he was in constant touch with two other accused Ghanshyamsingh and Hitesh, on the day of murder. Police have obtained print outs of mobile phone of the three. Didi had also rung up Bharat Bhatt after the murder.

Police had demanded 15 days remand for the two but metropolitan magistrate Tushar Joshi sanctioned eight days for Bhatt and three days for Jadeja.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:30am

This is very interesting.

When you read gujarat global article 'ads by google' shows up following:

"FBI is hiring"
"Religious Conflict"
"Intelligence Degree"
"Nuclear Terrorism"
"Anti-terrorism Training".

Do any one think FBI is also investigating?




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:40am

Dear Vijaybhai,

Nice and befitting reply to Chandriaka Chudasama. I suggest we should publish your follwoing reply to her in the same newspaper which printed her rubbish article.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:41am

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Keeping the forum clean
Post by Zombie on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:47am

Would the reader (as well as writer) of this forum do anything or just keep discussing the matter? There is no point in rewriting who said what, it seems the time to do something!

Hi Zombie,

I do delete lots of junk post when either they are not just repeatition or junk or do not talk about subject matter or outright obnoxious. If you do come across that need deleting please email me the post number and name of poster and I shall try to clean up. Thank you.
Also for many people, if you do not have substantial to say than it is ok to come and read what is happening.

We welcome your suggestion as to what anyone can do?
- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:51am

Robin Hood -

Are you seriously thinking this "confession out of duress" line that you keep giving has an validity in India? Do you know anything about the Indian police and court system? Small-time theives get beat until they return goods....

Confession out of duress or not, they did turn over a BURIED murder weapon, you think that came as a premonition?

It doesn't matter - the "duress" argument, even if it gets them off, doesn't change the hard evidence that they killed him.

Stop digging for something to make you feel like Swadhyayees haven't done it..... because even if they haven't, they wanted to - and that is just as bad.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:56am

How can that be a fair system if you are beaten into confession. Theres a good chance that if it was me I would confess to anything just to stop the beating. As I reackon most people would.

If the world comes to a place where you are arrested for your thoughts. Then your welocme to it. Im sure that is not the world that Pankajbhai would have wanted to live in as well.

You can make someone confess under diuress but can not take you where the murder weapon is or where was it brought from?
Even if the confession is thrown out in court, there is a lot of associated information the criminal provides that makes police job easy. That is why sometimes in India crime is solved much faster than in USA. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Police on Jul 12th, 2006, 08:59am

Theere were enough proofs against the killers. they were not beaten. At the same time they were not professional killers so planning was also not very good. Anyway crime is crime and they will be punished.
Ghansyam the planner and executioner
Post by Police on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:07am

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news1.html

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Keep your challange to yourself
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:20am

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news3.html

This is most funny.

To do this one needs to go to villages. Who is going to go to villages? Swami Satchidanand? Ravi Patel or Vijay Mehta?

The reason why Swadhyay will defeat its enemies any day because Swadhyayees put their skin in what they believe in whereas likes of Ravi Patel and Vijay Mehta can only type few messages on Internet and likes of Swami (!) Satchinand can call a meeting in Andhjan (Blind man) Mandal association, give a fiery speech and go home.

This is our open challenge to M/s Ravi Patel, Vijay Mehta & co. - come & visit our Yogeshwar Krushi / Amrutalayam villages and try telling our brothers/sisters who is right and who is not.


Hi Swadhyayee,
How can you give open challange when you do not tell us your name phone number and address? You expect us to come to your village and roam around looking for you?
At no point in time have I got anything less than respect for all you Swadhyayee out there doing the wonderful work.
Our concerns are (one more time)
1. Krushi Kheti becoming Didi Kheti - profits being diverted from your hard labor.
2. Matsya Gandha has a smell of Didi - boats are in name of person and profits are going for maintainance of Adhavale family.
3. Our concern is five crore Rupees that Ghanshayam Chudasama offerd to close the Pankaj Trivedi case. Where did he get the money from?
4. Our concern is Gundagiri, Dadagiri, Murder and Mafia Raaj under the name of Religion. Some people have Hijacked our religion.
5. I am sure we can find some reporter to visit and take a picture of ten houses that Swadhyay built after the earthquake. Since you have built more than 4500 it should not be hard to find ten. Or did you have amnesia and forgot all the addresses.
Keep your challange to yourself.
Your enemy is not Vijay Mehta or Ravi Patel, but someone who has made a fool of you for so long. Pray to Yogeswar to give you Satbudhhi - Tamaso Ma Jyotirgmayah!
Common people WILL wake up and wake up soon.
I admit I have never been to one of the villages you talk about and I do not pray as much as you do, but I know right from wrong - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:25am

This is our open challenge to M/s Ravi Patel, Vijay Mehta & co. - come & visit our Yogeshwar Krushi / Amrutalayam villages and try telling our brothers/sisters who is right and who is not.


Do you have list of Yogeshwar Krushi/Amrutalayam villages where we can visit?

Re: Agitation in Villages
Post by Police on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:33am

on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:20am, Guest-Swadhyayee wrote:
http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news3.html

This is most funny.

To do this one needs to go to villages. Who is going to go to villages? Swami Satchidanand? Ravi Patel or Vijay Mehta?

The reason why Swadhyay will defeat its enemies any day because Swadhyayees put their skin in what they believe in whereas likes of Ravi Patel and Vijay Mehta can only type few messages on Internet and likes of Swami (!) Satchinand can call a meeting in Andhjan (Blind man) Mandal association, give a fiery speech and go home.

This is our open challenge to M/s Ravi Patel, Vijay Mehta & co. - come & visit our Yogeshwar Krushi / Amrutalayam villages and try telling our brothers/sisters who is right and who is not.


As of now Bharat Bhatt is arrested along with many other swadhyayes. They all accepted their crime and that is the truth. Please think about who is next in the list?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:35am

Dear,

Any thought on why Gujarat Home Minister Amit Shah has to go and meet swami scaaidanand in his Ashram for an hour?? what did they discuss? Will the cops put full stop to their investigation and declare Mr. Bharat Bhatt a Master Mind? Why are Cops in such a hurry to do so? What did Bharat Bhatt and Didi discuss on phone the day Mr. Pankaj Trivedi was murdered? What if Bharat Bhatt during his 10 day remand confesses that Didi was after this all? Any motive behind Pankajbhai's killing? What if Didiji is really the master mind and Bharat bhai covers her up. If they could kill someone just because that person was trying to expose Didi's or Swadhyay's Scandals, just imagine what else can they do to cover her up.


Any Suggestions welcome!

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- Ravi Patel

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Re: Agitation in Villages
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:46am

on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:20am, Guest-Swadhyayee wrote:
http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news3.html

This is most funny.

To do this one needs to go to villages. Who is going to go to villages? Swami Satchidanand? Ravi Patel or Vijay Mehta?

The reason why Swadhyay will defeat its enemies any day because Swadhyayees put their skin in what they believe in whereas likes of Ravi Patel and Vijay Mehta can only type few messages on Internet and likes of Swami (!) Satchinand can call a meeting in Andhjan (Blind man) Mandal association, give a fiery speech and go home.

This is our open challenge to M/s Ravi Patel, Vijay Mehta & co. - come & visit our Yogeshwar Krushi / Amrutalayam villages and try telling our brothers/sisters who is right and who is not.



I am Farmer by Birth and have lived 1/2 of my life in villages. So brother, dont teach me what is faming and what are villages. I am well aware of all dhongi bapa's and dada's, who come to villages and fool innocent farmers in the name of GOD.

If you can read Gujarati please read this, and lot of it has already been exposed here.
http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060712/guj/gujarat/news10.html

Since 1970 Swadhyay Parivar had undertaken a project called Yogeshwar Krishi ( Farms of God ). It is the practice of collective farming of a single field (normally of three to five acres) in a village by the villagers who each offer devotional labour, possibly for one or two days per cropping season. The resulting crop belongs to no one except God.

The benefits of the harvest are redistributed in the village for common good as well as individual need not as loan or charity, but as divine grace (prasad) NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS HAPPANED ANY OF THE VILLAGES INSTEAD IN SOME VILLAGES THE LAND USED FOR THIS "YOGESHWAR KRISHI" PROJECT HAS ALSO BEEN SOLD BY THE SWADHYAY TRUST. POOR AND UNEDUCATED FARMERS ARE ALWAYS KEPT IN DARK.
The recipient (Dadaji) is under no obligation to repay it and definitely no interest has to be paid on such sums.

This Money is deposited in swadhyay Trust, whose sole owner is now Didiji. FARMERS ARE EAGER TO NOW KNOW, What happend to all this money acculated in those trust as the condition of villages are same, and not even a single Rupee is spend in upliftment of the villages and the villagers.

As the scandal exposes their eyes are opening too.

http://www.swadhyay.org/krishi.htm




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 12th, 2006, 10:08am

Where is /jayshree? Is she in India (Mumbai)? or is she hiding again?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by swadhyayee on Jul 12th, 2006, 10:13am

on Jul 12th, 2006, 10:08am, Guest-M Makwana wrote:
Where is /jayshree? Is she in India (Mumbai)? or is she hiding again?


May be trying to BUY politicians and cops involved in investigation so that her name does not surf on the TOP or as "Master Mind". Poor Bharat Bhatt I feel sorry for him... I wish he stays away from Dada and Didi in his next Avtar.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:03am

The police department needs to investigate if any of these politicinas were bribed, who make public statements defending Didi and Swadhyay.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:41am

Robin Hood,

Who said anything about a fair system? Just telling you that the idea of "duress" means a whole lot less in India than it does in America or wherever you are.

It is acceptable in India.
Invited to Texas
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:44am

on Jul 12th, 2006, 09:25am, Guest-Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai wrote:
This is our open challenge to M/s Ravi Patel, Vijay Mehta & co. - come & visit our Yogeshwar Krushi / Amrutalayam villages and try telling our brothers/sisters who is right and who is not.


Do you have list of Yogeshwar Krushi/Amrutalayam villages where we can visit?


Yeah...so they can get beaten up too? Keep Dreaming...
I have an idea, why don't you come to the US and try telling them, in an intellectual debate, that THEY're wrong if you feel so strongly about it.

Why can't you come to Texas. We have a sizable Swadhyayee in this area. You can do a presentation to all of us and update about the activities in villages. - Vijay Mehta





Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Irish Robin Hood on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:45am

on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:41am, Guest-guest wrote:
Robin Hood,

Who said anything about a fair system? Just telling you that the idea of "duress" means a whole lot less in India than it does in America or wherever you are.

It is acceptable in India.

Bharat Bhatt is guilty and he should be punished. If JAyshree is proved guilty, she should be punished too.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:50am

on Jul 11th, 2006, 3:29pm, Guest-Beware of GURUs wrote:
Characteristics of a Destructive Cult:
1. Authoritarian pyramid structure with authority at the top

2. Charismatic or messianic leader(s) (Messianic meaning they either say they are God OR that they alone can interpret the scriptures the way God intended.....the leaders are self-appointed.)

etc...



The problem with these kind of descriptions is that they can be attributed to even established religions (ie Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, even Judaism). In my opinion, the only thing separating mainstream organized religion from "cultic" ones is the number of followers and years in existence.

Maybe that is why there is such a big push to increase numbers in Swadhyay...a way to gain legitimacy.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 12th, 2006, 12:55pm

on Jul 12th, 2006, 11:44am, Guest-Unbelievable wrote:
Yeah...so they can get beaten up too? Keep Dreaming...
I have an idea, why don't you come to the US and try telling them, in an intellectual debate, that THEY're wrong if you feel so strongly about it.



Wait a second, beaten up or killed. Please clarify. grin
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:02pm

Nileshbhai,

Interesting to see you lose your cool. For being a prominent Swadhyayee, it is disappointing to see you mix a sense of spokesperson and anger in the same post. We must stay calm and composed and persevere through this period of venomous criticism.

I agree with you completely about the bashing that is happening on this forum, I think it is out of control and much of it is irresponsible verbal spew. Doesn't anyone who speaks have a sense of responsibility to ensuring there is legitimacy to what they say?

However, there are legitimate questions, and it seems ridiculous that Swadhyay leaders around the world are trying to insinuate that this is some sort of conspiracy to frame Swadhyay.

I have heard (in the US):

(1) Pankaj Trivedi hired goons to rough him up and setup Swadhyay and it all went wrong

(2) The Anti-Swadhyay crowd paid off the media to only print negative stuff, that the damage control motabhai mission that was in Ahmedabad last week was told that there were "orders from above" to only write negative stuff about Swadhyay

(3) The situation is suspicious - why would Pankaj Trivedi be walking around with documents condeming Swadhyay unless he wanted them to be found?

Stay in search of the truth and the false garbage that is on this forum should not bother us - but don't lose sight of the truth because a bunch of loose mouths have made the water murky.

Don't devalue the real issues that are in-between the defensive Swadhyayee position and the viscious attacks of those who criticize.

A murder did happen, it seems quite obviously in the name of Swadhyay. We should not be able to justify such a thing.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by sATYAM on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:07pm

July 12, 2006

Mr. Amitbhai Anilchandra Shah Email: mos.ome@gujratgov.in
Home Minister,
Police, Housing, Border, Security, Jails, Probation, Excise, Home & Transport
Government of State of Gujarat
Gandhinagar, 382017 Gujarat State, India

Gujarat State, Non Resident Gujarati’s Foundation 079-23238278/80/81
Government of Gujarat Email: nrgf@nri-gujarat.com
Block 16- 3rd floor, Udhyog Bhavan,
Gandhinagar 382017, Gujarat State, India
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Cc: S. G. Mankad, Chief Secretary
H. Adhia, Principal Secretary to CM. Hon. Narendra Modi
Dhiren Avasia, Director of Electronic Media
O.P. Singh, P.A. to Hon CM Narendra Modi
Tammay Mehta, P.A. to Hon CM Narendra Modi
Dinesh Thakur, P.A. to Hon CM Narendra Modi

Re: Murder of Pankaj Trivedi and associated matters

Dear Honorable Mr. Shah:

Sahprem namaste to all of you. Both India and USA are greatest democracy in the world. You are home minister of one such state whose many people are residing in USA and as such has keen interest in this matter. Keeping politics aside, your position gives you an excellent and life time opportunity to expose the truth whatever it may be and be brave and happy with your own conscience and whatever God or religion you believe in.
You are in charge of various departments such as Police, Housing, Border, Security, Jails, Probation, Excise, and Home & Transport.

On information and belief that late Mr. Pankaj Trviedi has advised the Government of Gujarat and asked their protection. For whatever reason it was not done and government failed to meet its obligation. So to day he is gone.

Some of the so called master mind, had cozy relationship with your administration and one was the P.A. of D.C.P who was investigating the case. They are Messrs. Bharat Bhatt, Ghanshyam Chudasama, and others. and all of them are under police custody as of this writing.

On information and belief that you personally visited Swami Sacchidanandji and had about one hour discussion about this matter with him. Based on this meeting, it is alleged that your Police department believes that the case of murder of Pankaj Trivedi is resolved. All related persons are arrested except Jasubhai Jadeja and Chandrkant Daki..
Do you dare to imply that this is the end of it and your investigation in this matter?
If so most respectfully sir, you are totally mistaken and misguided for whatever reason. As stated before your position gives you an excellent opportunity to expose the truth and be hero and provide real service to the People of Gujarat. You are well aware of the great teaching of all religions and humanism and that is that we came on this earth with nothing and will leave this earth with nothing. Only our good deeds will survive and people will remember them.

Many like Messrs Vinu Sanchania, Mahesh Shah has suffered and Pankaj Trivedi gave his life for the truth. You probably know more about it than any of us general public.

Amitbhai, we humbly urge you be brave and true to your God and go before general public and people who elected you and tell the truth. You will be doing your self and people who elected you a big favor. Same applies to Honorable CM Narendra Modi. So in short the ball is in your court. YOU MUST DO THIS ON YOUR OWN WITHOUT ANY ONE ASKING YOU? IT IS YOUR SOLEMN DUTY WHEN YOU TOOK OATH OF YOUR OFFICE.

You are human and well aware that sooner or later truth will come out. That is something no one to date has been able to hide in the world. President Nixon was the President of the richest nation in the world, had the most powerful position and all kinds of resources at his hand, and yet he can not hide the simple truth of robbery and has to resign in disgrace.

So Bhai Saheb, Vadil, Uncle or brother, whatever category you all may be, this is our humble request to fully complete the investigation and let the chip falls wherever the truth is. We pray almighty God that he gives you all the courage to do so and if you do all of us have your full heartily support and most sincere appreciation.

God bless you all and gives you wisdom to guide you in proper direction in this difficult time.

Like late Mahatma Gandhi said," A silent spectator of a crime is also responsible and indirectly helping criminals by not fighting against the crime."

Dear Dr. Mehta:

Would you be kind to forward this to Government of Gujarat and personnel listed above? Thank you. very kindly for your cooperation.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:23pm

This is a shameless statement and you put your name also "Swadhyayee" but sorry my friend you are a coward. when these brain washed so called *****yayees will understand the truth. your statement looks like a chamchaa of some Khotabhai and you want to impress him, then how come you will tell your self a swadhyayee when you dont know what is right & what is wrong!!!!!!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mangela on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:29pm

on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:23pm, Karan wrote:
This is a shameless statement and you put your name also "Swadhyayee" but sorry my friend you are a coward. when these brain washed so called *****yayees will understand the truth. your statement looks like a chamchaa of some Khotabhai and you want to impress him, then how come you will tell your self a swadhyayee when you dont know what is right & what is wrong!!!!!!


All motabhais are not khotabhais. They are just bhai (Goon). They act like bhai.. bole to apun ke saath panga nahi lene ka kya...
Bharat Bhatt - Rags to Riches .. Height to Ditches
Post by Name does not matter on Jul 12th, 2006, 1:44pm


Bharat Bhatt - from Rags to Ritches and may be now from Heights to Ditches!

Bharat Bhatt started as an ordinary cleark and rose to the position of highest operating officer in Gujarat.
He is said to be a small time builder but since he became a leader is said to be doing very well.
He proved his ability to manag finances so well that all the projects in Gujarat had to go thru him. He was present at every case against Pankajbhai. Now is he willing to be a fall guy? - Vijay Mehta

Article in Gujarati

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http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060713/guj/gujarat/news5.html
Three more fanatic Swadhyayees questioned
Post by KING on Jul 12th, 2006, 2:10pm

Read Sandesh special on Swadhyay Parivar. Wish someome can copy and post it here.


http://www.sandesh.com/middle.htm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Makwana on Jul 12th, 2006, 2:12pm

Chandrika Chudasama is funny. In short, she says that we need to support Jayshree as she is a female. Does she mean that even if female commits crmie, she should not be punished. You are really funny...
Chandtika, could you please let us know your basic qualification?

Mafia Boss lose sleep when main guy is arrested
Post by KING on Jul 12th, 2006, 2:13pm

Can someone copy and paste this news from Divyabhaskar?

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_03.asp

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Police is getting closer to the Supermo Didi
Post by M Makwana on Jul 12th, 2006, 2:22pm

http://bombaysamachar.com/new/details.asp?newsid=32981#headlines

Bhrat Bhatt is in trouble. He has to under go lie detector test now?

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 3:13pm

Rajubhai Shah, Editor of Aaj Tak in Rajkot, who was attacked before was miraculously saved. Read Akila.

Accident looks very suspicious. Can Police investigate that?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satya on Jul 12th, 2006, 3:15pm

Jayshree called Bharat Bhatt within 20 minutes or so after murder of Pankaj Trivedi.
How did she come to know?

Now that Bharat Bhai and Ghanshyam Bhai are enjoying hospitality of Amdawad police, don't you think Didi needs to visit them to provide spiritual support? I wonder, if she has even bothered to call and ask them how they are doing huh- Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satya on Jul 12th, 2006, 3:18pm



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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 3:46pm

Rajubhai Shah published article against 'Kshtriya Sammelan', three years back and was attacked.

Case was reopened after Pankajbhai's brutal murder.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 4:03pm

Article on Rajubhai Shah's attack.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/060703/48/65lds.html
Bharat Bhatt - Motabhai or Motogundo
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 4:19pm

Bharatbhai Bhatt pious motabhai/Swadhyayee during the day but in reality a nasty character. Having made crores rupees from Swadhyay business he was the one to be seen at each trial of Pankajbhai. He was involved in planning of murder, He is the one who gave the news to Didi within minutes and like a morbid murder he even video taped the funeral procession of his victim. May be he is a psychopath with no remorse.
Under whose instructions?


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1742578.cms

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by NoCult on Jul 12th, 2006, 4:31pm

How Cults Seduce

http://www.plan-b.biz/pdf/How_Cults_Seduce.pdf

They defined how cults work here are some of them that matches Swadyaya modus operandi:

Only those committed and close to the core are fully in the know
Outsiders are kept largely in the dark
Only those inside know the truth. Outsiders should not be listened to
Members have privileged information
Communication is intimate, extensive and frequent
Outsiders are often fed a completely different story
Cults know that treating everyone the same means making no-one feels special or motivated. They make pyramid
Cults keep people very busy (too busy to stop and think)
Cults are fuelled by commitments of time, money, activities…
Cults tend to be personality cults
The leaders’ story is the story of the cult, their word is law
Access to the leader is an exclusive reward to the higher ups
Cults have their own vocabulary, way of speaking
Arbitrary restrictions and rules, oddities and experiences reinforce a way of life “through the looking glass”

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They defined 4 characteristics of cults: Here are swadhyay parallels:

Cult: Cults, unlike most modern social phenomena, have a closed boundary.
Swadhyay: Or a new person, it takes more then one year to penetrate into core swadhyayee krutisheel group.

Cult: You can’t “walk in”. There is a definite process to joining.
Swadhyay: To be krutisheel you have to be regular kendra attendee. You need to accompany old swadhyayee to go for bhavferi or bhaktiferi.

Cult: Cults program what members think and do.
Swadhyay: Yes, you can see that all swadhyayees behave same, as directed by Dada

Cult: Cults are a parallel social universe with their own rituals, relationship structures and experiences.
Swadhyay: Active swadhyayee krutisheel is so much engaged in the swadhyay that he almost loses contact with non-swadhyayee friends and relatives.


Notice how typical Motabhai will answer
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 12th, 2006, 4:58pm

Hi Swadhyayee,
How can you give open challange when you do not tell us your name phone number and address? You expect us to come to your village and roam around looking for you?
At no point in time have I got anything less than respect for all you Swadhyayee out there doing the wonderful work.
Our concerns are (one more time)
1. Krushi Kheti becoming Didi Kheti - profits being diverted from your hard labor.
2. Matsya Gandha has a smell of Didi - boats are in name of person and profits are going for maintainance of Adhavale family.
3. Our concern is five crore Rupees that Ghanshayam Chudasama offerd to close the Pankaj Trivedi case. Where did he get the money from?
4. Our concern is Gundagiri, Dadagiri, Murder and Mafia Raaj under the name of Religion. Some people have Hijacked our religion.
5. I am sure we can find some reporter to visit and take a picture of ten houses that Swadhyay built after the earthquake. Since you have built more than 4500 it should not be hard to find ten. Or did you have amnesia and forgot all the addresses.
Keep your challange to yourself.
Your enemy is not Vijay Mehta or Ravi Patel, but someone who has made a fool of you for so long. Pray to Yogeswar to give you Satbudhhi - Tamaso Ma Jyotirgmayah!
Common people WILL wake up and wake up soon.
I admit I have never been to one of the villages you talk about and I do not pray as much as you do, but I know right from wrong - Vijay Mehta


This is what a motabhai would say read the response below.- Notice, instead of addressing any issue they just repeat the same song and dance like a broken record and hope that people won't get it.

So all the evidence presented here is nothing but mudslinging!
Reporters who do the job are Chepo reporters!
Unless one has spent time in Swadhyay he can not understand that looting the money and killing Pankajbhai was wrong!
On other allegation - go to court and prove it (means if it has not been proven in the court than we have not done it)
If we raise issue than we have swollen brains and Swadhyay is not about the money but love and trust (Why is Didi sitting on crores of Rupees?)


Dear Vijaybhai,
#1 "Krushi Kheti" - there is no such thing - you can't get even basic facts right. In any case if there is any wrongdoing in "Yogeshwar Krushi" go to Court and prove your accusations.

#2 "Matsya Gandha" - if there is any wrongdoing, go to Court and prove it.

#3 Five crores rupees offered by Ghanshyan Chudasama etc. - go to Court and prove it.

#4 Gundagiri / Dadagiri etc. - interestingly enough not even single case is proven in the court despite multiple complaints in the past.

#5 Earthquake villages - If there is any wrongdoing, go to Court and prove it. The onus is on the people making accusations to prove the accusations.

Thanks for admitting that you have never been to any Swadhyay village, you have never been part of Swadhyay at any point in your life - and yet you are so naive to sit on the fence and shout "this is wrong, that is wrong etc.". Sorry pal - you have no credentials as far as Swadhyay is concerned.

Let me also tell you this - these Gujju reporters' credibility is ZILCH. We all know they are paid peanuts. Dada and his Swadhyayees went from village to village, heart to heart, hut to hut and has build Swadhyay Parivar. Dada did not consult Cheapo Gujju reporters / columnists as to what/how he should build Swadhyay Parivar.

At the end of the day - people with swollen brain forget that money/financial affair is a very tiny part of what Swadhyay Parivar does. Swadhyay is about establishing love, trust and relationship with fellow human being.

It is these cheapo reporters v/s Swadhyay Parivar and time will tell who will win. The first round in 2001/02 was won by Swadhyay Parivar and so will be the subsequent rounds.

At the end of the day - people like yourself are good enough for writing on Internet forums - nothing more, nothing less.

I rest my case here and I wish you happiness in mudslinging.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:15pm

At the end of the day - people with swollen brain forget that money/financial affair is a very tiny part of what Swadhyay Parivar does. Swadhyay is about establishing love, trust and relationship with fellow human being.

Swadhyay is about establishing love, trust and relationship with fellow human being.

With Didi's brand of swadhyay it is establishing cult and mafia type operation and kill people like Pankajbhai when they ask about money/financial affairs.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:32pm

Icecream Party when Pankajbhai was arrested!

http://bombaysamachar.com/new/details.asp?newsid=32985#headlines

On June 15 th was there alcohol party?

Police needs to investigate how Didi and her henchmen celebrated brutal murder of Pankajbhai.
Re: Keep your challange to yourself
Post by M Makwana on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:43pm

on Jul 12th, 2006, 5:42pm, Guest-M Makwana wrote:

Vijay bhai, you can't blame all swadhyayee if few motabhias like bharat bhatt etc and jayshree is involved in murder.

You are absolutely right. We should not blame 90 plus percent of grassroot Swadhyayees for the deeds of 1-2 percent of bad ones. And I have been very clear about it all along.
Only problem is, when we talk about Bharat Bhatt, Manish Savsani, Ghanshyam Chudasama or Didi - all one hundred percent take it as personal insult.
I am wondering why instead of thinking that there must be some fire where the smoke is coming from they repeat party line. In the post above the writer is still waiting for proof for DADAGIRI. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 6:16pm

Swadhyayee -

Quit trying to hide behind the courts and defaming Gujarati reporters; This isn't a war that needs to be "won". An neither side of your war are the Pandavas - all are cheating and lying to serve their own interests (including your potshots).

Swadhyay need not be bashed, but some recognition that a murder has been committed, and many people have been beaten along the way for no other reason than disagreement with Swadhyay should be there.

Do you deny that as well? Or do you support the beating and killing? Is that an acceptable action in the name of Swadhyay?


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 6:22pm

Swadhyay is a PYRAMID scheme, plain and simple.

The top leader has few agents per area and it is unwritten mutually beneficial understanding to reap rest 99% of bhavuk followers and live a lavish lifestyle.

Check out how the life style of Manish Savsani, Bharat Bhatt etc improved once they made to the leadership role.

There are media reports about black money loaned to the builder lobby and who knows where else.

Anyone who believes in GOD won't even think about running this business. I am convinced that these people DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD. Do not expect ant honesty or decency from them otherwise you will be disappointed.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KING on Jul 12th, 2006, 6:26pm

Check out this news in Times Of India. Wish we had a picture of Bharat Bhatt in hand cuffs.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1742578.cms

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RAJKOT/AHMEDABAD: The police on Tuesday arrested Bharat Bhatt, a prominent member of the Swadhyay Parivar of Ahmedabad, in connection with NRI Pankaj Trivedi murder case.

Police said that Bhatt is a close associate of Jayshree Talwalker aka Didi, and that she had called up Bhatt from London to inquire about Trivedi, hours after his murder.

Bhatt was arrested, said police, after his name cropped up during the interrogation of five assailants who were arrested earlier. Additional commissioner of police PK Jha, said, "Bhatt has been arrested on the basis of strong evidence against him.

We have booked him under sections 302 and 120 (b) — for homicide and conspiracy." While most police investigators remained tight-lipped on the issue, sources said that Saurashtrabased Bharatsinh Jadeja was also arrested later on Tuesday, in the same case.

Jadeja is the eighth person to be arrested in the case. A police source indicated that one more accused was likely to be nabbed from Saurashtra.

Jadeja was one of the three new names that had surfaced for the first time on Monday, when police produced another accused Ghanshyansinh Chudasma, before a lower court here.

Chudasma, the personal assistant of deputy commissioner of police AK Jadeja, is accused of masterminding the murder. In Chudasma's remand application, police spoke of eight assailants instead of five, as cops had claimed earlier.

Bhatt, a prime suspect in Trivedi's murder, was one of the several persons, including Didi, whom Trivedi had suspected would get him killed. Trivedi had mentioned these names in several letters he had written to top police, government and judicial authorities earlier.

Police say that Bhatt was the motivator in all legal suits filed against Trivedi in several courts in Gujarat. "Bhatt had also got Trivedi's last rituals video-taped with malafide intentions," said police sources.

"After the recent HC judgment pronounced in Trivedi's favour, Bhatt had contacted Chudasma. The duo, along with Ahmedabadbased Hiteshsinh Chudasma plotted Trivedi's murder.

Chudasma called up Bhatt soon after the murder," deputy commissioner of police, A K Jadeja said. Police also claimed that they have recovered the Maruti van and Tata Sumo used by the accused on the day of murder.

Bhatt has been 'grilled' by police twice earlier. With his arrest, speculations are rife that police may soon summon Didi for questioning. Jha, when asked about the possibility, said, "I don't rule it out."

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by JASMIN on Jul 12th, 2006, 6:59pm

Court ordered 8 days remand for Swadhyay MOTABHAI Bharat Bhatt from Ahmedabad.

Bharat Bhatt remanded to police custody

2006-07-12 19:46:27


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Bharat Bhatt who was arrested yesterday in connection with murder of NRI Swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi was today remanded to police custody for eight days. In its remand application Police said that Bhatt would be taken for lie detector and narco brain mapping test. Another accused Bharat singh Jadeja who was arrested yesterday from Rajkot was remanded for three days.

Bharat Bhatt is known as Motabhai in parivar and is very close to Jayshree Talvalkar popularly known as Didi. According to police, he was in constant touch with two other accused Ghanshyamsingh and Hitesh, on the day of murder. Police have obtained print outs of mobile phone of the three. Didi had also rung up Bharat Bhatt after the murder.

Police had demanded 15 days remand for the two but metropolitan magistrate Tushar Joshi sanctioned eight days for Bhatt and three days for Jadeja.

Bharat Bhatt with mask on and with Didi
Post by Guest on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:03pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Swadhyayee on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:09pm

Do not twist the facts. The fact is that Swadhyay Parivar condemns the murder and want to to see the culprits punished. Till the time it is decided and proved in the court who exactly is culprit - reserve your judgement. Violence in any form for any cause is not acceptable. If M/s Bharat Bhatt & other Swadhyayees carried out the violent act - they should be punished. But they are innocent until proven guilty.

The most stupid thing is that people are using this incidence to take potshots at Swadhyay for other matters (e..g earthquake fund) - the same allegations have been recycled.

For any moral matters - it is our word/work v/s yours - we can discuss/debate until the cows come home and still may not agree. For any legal matter - let the court decide what/who is right and what/who is not.

You think if Ghanshyam Chudasama can lead the police to murder weapon and the source of baseball bat - he is still innocent. Do you not see the logical connection?
I got news for you in regards to your work in earthquake - we do not have to wait till the cows come home - it is matter of time when government agencies will start asking question in India / USA and GB
Yogeshawer Krushi will be made accountable by villagers themselves. - Vijay Mehta


? Brainwahed?
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:30pm


Oh Brain washed Swadhyayee,

I feel sorry for the their family of people arrested in the killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi, like you they might have even thought they were doing something good by killing Pankaj Trivedi.

Brain Washing is not happening in this forum, but we have already seen a real example of it by the acts of Motabhai Bharat Bhatt and others arrested in the killing of Mr. Pankaj Trivedi. There cannot be a better example of BrainWashing then what we have been seeing in recent days! The cops in Ahmedabad are trying their best to prove the legitimacy ...

Jai Shree Krishna..... The biggest lie Dadai told to his followers was "Krishna Bhagwaan and Yogeshwar were the same" If that was true why would he or Swadhyay Parivar COPYRIGHT the image of Yogeshwar?

http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60282

I have heard (in the US):

(1) Pankaj Trivedi hired goons to rough him up and setup Swadhyay and it all went wrong

WHERE AND FROM WHOM DID YOU HEAR THIS FROM?? WAS IT FROM SOME BRAINWASHED MOTABHAI? I GUESS HE HIRED BHARAT BHATT AND THE GANG TO KILL HIM TOO, THEY JUST HAPPANED TO BE IN SWADHYAY. PLEASE USE YOUR LITTLE BRAIN IF ITS STILL NOT HIJACKED BY SOMEONE......

(2) The Anti-Swadhyay crowd paid off the media to only print negative stuff, that the damage control motabhai mission that was in Ahmedabad last week was told that there were "orders from above" to only write negative stuff about Swadhyay

"orders from above" I GUESS JAYSHREE DIDI MIGHT HAVE ORDERED IT TO GET RID OF MOTABHAI BHARAT BHATT & MANISH SAVSANI ?

(3) The situation is suspicious - why would Pankaj Trivedi be walking around with documents condeming Swadhyay unless he wanted them to be found?

YES, HE WAS TRYING TO EXPOSE THE SWADHYAY SCANDAL FOR LONG?? BUT NO ONE INCLUDING ME TRUSTED THIS BRAVE MAN.....

Stay in search of the truth and the false garbage that is on this forum should not bother us - but don't lose sight of the truth because a bunch of loose mouths have made the water murky.

THE COPS HAVE REACHED HALF WAY TO THE TRUTH....

Don't devalue the real issues that are in-between the defensive Swadhyayee position and the viscious attacks of those who criticize.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS??

A murder did happen, it seems quite obviously in the name of Swadhyay. We should not be able to justify such a thing.

AND WHO COMMITED IT? THIS IS THE REAL ISSUE

NOW, ONLY THE GOD KNOWS HOW MANY MORE BRAINWASHED LIKE MOTABHAI BHARAT BHATT AND YOU ARE THERE IN SWADHYAY.

WILL MY RELIGION TURN LIKE ISLAM TOO?


- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com


Key characters
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 12th, 2006, 7:56pm


Here is the brief synopsis of all the key players so far.
One common theme among all these is that all of them are staunch Swadhyayee and currently they are under suspicion of murder or assult in the name of Swadhyay.

Manish Savsani: Motabhai from Rajkot. Who has not been implicated in this murder but due to this murder they reopened the Vinoo Sachania case. His was the first arrest and the message from Police department that no more they were going to cover up crime like in the past.

Pankaj Trivedi Murder:
Primary assailants:
Chandrasinh Jadeja (Rajkot)
Bhupat Sinh Jadeja (Rajkot)
Mansinh Wadher (Rajkot)
Watching at the time of murder
Dakshesh Shah (Amadawad)
Hitesh Chudasama (Amadawad)

Waiting in the Van at the time of murder were:
Bhartsinh Jadeja (Rajkot)
Jashubha Jadeja (Rajkot)
Chandrakant Daki (Rajkot still at large, he is the one who drove the van)

Ghansyam Chudasama (Amadawad) Stenographer for DSP with inside information. He got transferred to the Ellisbridge area to help with the murder. He is said to buy officers out with five crore rupees. He lead the police to murder weapon and the source of baseball bat. Ghansyambhai is very close to Didi and serves as her body guard and driver when Didi is in Gujarat. He has direct contact with Didi. He claimed to be suicidal and is kept under suicide watch in jail.

Bharat Bhatt (Amadawad) Respected motabhai and chief financial officer for all the projects in Gujarat. He has been after Pankajbhai the whole time. He attended practically every hearing. He was said to be very frustrated when high court threw out the Swadhyay case against Pankajbhai and that was the time he decided to teach Pankajbhai a lesson. He was in constant touch with the Murder team and was informed within minutes. When he was told about the murder he said, "Jay Yogeswar!" Bharatbhai is said to have some heart condition. Arrest of Bharatbhai would have been unimaginable a month ago. Large number of Swadhyayees have hard time believing that Bharatbhai could be a criminal and they showed up in large amount at the court hearing.

Didi - Jayshree Talwarkar, biologically niece to Dada but she was adopted daughter. In his final years Dada did a 180 degree turnaound, moved away from constitution they had drafted and declared Didi as the next in line. This seems to be single important point in Swadhyay where many old devotees were taken aback. There are theoris floating that due to ill health and amputation Dada was basically 'Nazarked' by Didi and her innercircle. Who later on took over the control of the vast empire. At this time there is no proof this but it does make a logical explanation of Dadaji's behavior in last few years of his life.
Didi's name has been mentioned from the moment Pankajbhai died. Pankajbhai had written letters to everyone he knew stating that he will be killed and in that case Killer will be .. among others.. Didi and Bharat Bhatt. However, with Didi's stature police up to this moment has not even questioned her. Didi was in London at the time of murder but came to South India to attend function in south India.
She has avoided public appearance except for brief appearance at Madhav Baugh, where she claimed innocence. She gave an interview on private channel from undisclosed location. Even the inner Swadhyayees were dismayed by her performance.
Currently official Swadhyay position is, "We are innocent, nothing is proven yet, there is no need to talk about financial irregularities - go to court and prove it"

It is rumored that police has collected enough evidence to now question Didi.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:07pm


Is 'Swadhayee' willing to write after few days that :If M/S Jayshree Talwalkar and her company(as in 'D' company) carried out the violent act-they will be punished?

Or in order to be 'Motabhai' this 'Swadhyayee' will execute few more incidents like Pankajbhai and stay assured that every thing will be taken care of in Court of Law.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:11pm

[quote author=Guest-Guest link=board=Religions&num=1150555879&start=749#49 date=1152752628]I can not post this image of Bharat Bhatt escorted by cops.

Photo of Bharat bhatt not visible due to change in link address.- vijay mehta



'Manushya nu Gaurav Hano ke Khoon Karo atle Modhu Kalu thai J'

'Shame, Shame, Shame'.
High court rejects Defense Appeal
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:19pm


HC rejects appeal of five arrested in Pankaj Trivedi murder case

2006-07-13 07:43:35


Gujarat Global News Network, Ahmedabad

Gujarat High Court has rejected the appeal five persons had filed in the sensation NRI swadhyayi Pankaj Trivedi murder case. They had challenged their police custody on the ground that they were arrested on flimsy grounds like telephone call records.

These five persons were the first to be arrested in the case in which the rebel swadhyayi was murdered near Ellisbridge Gymkhana on June 15. They arrested on July 4. Of these two are from Ahmedabad and the rest from Rajkot, Jamnagar and Junagadh districts of Saurastra region of Gujarat.

Sustained interrogation of these persons has led to the arrest of three more who are also in the police custody. Police have also recovered iron rods with which Trivedi was hit.

The five who had moved the HC court are Hitesh Chudasama, Daxesh Shah, Chandrasinh Jadeja Bharatsinh Jadeja and Mansinh Vadher. Police claims that the entire crime was masterminded by Ghanshyam Chudasama, former PA of DCP A K Jadeja, who is also in police custody.



Bharat Bhatt a gundo or motabhai?
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:24pm

Birthday Celebrations of Athavale Family with all the publicity surrounding Pankajbhai's Murder, Swadhyayees are not in mood to celebrate the Birthday of Didi

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Bharat Bhatt- 'Bali no Bakro'?

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060713/guj/gujarat/news5.html

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060713/guj/gujarat/news13.html

Chandrasinh Jadeja on Dada's Teaching(!)
Chandrasinh Jadeja, one of the assailant explained to the police that according to Dada wood does not make weapons. So when he hit Pankajbhai with baseball bat made of wood, he did not consider tht to be a weapon!!!

http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060713/guj/gujarat/news14.html


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by GUEST on Jul 12th, 2006, 8:25pm

The Givernment of Gujarat should declare Pankajbhai's murder day as " MANUSHYA ADHAPATAN DAY".
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 12th, 2006, 9:03pm

Swadhyay do celebrate pandurang's and jayshree's bday. Do they celebrate Tai's birthday too? Could anyone here please let me know?
Do they celebrate Suvrat's bday too or still there few more years to go before thay start doing so?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by poker on Jul 13th, 2006, 01:06am

Let's hope Bharat bhatt name DIDI soon as a matermind in his remand.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 13th, 2006, 02:01am

"In his final years Dada did a 180 degree turnaound, moved away from constitution they had drafted and declared Didi as the next in line. This seems to be single important point in Swadhyay where many old devotees were taken aback. There are theoris floating that due to ill health and amputation Dada was basically 'Nazarked' by Didi and her innercircle. Who later on took over the control of the vast empire. At this time there is no proof this but it does make a logical explanation of Dadaji's behavior in last few years of his life."

When Dada was in his last few years, after he had a pacemaker installed, had both legs amputated, I believe the medical term used for him was "white matter ischemic disease leading to dementia." Vijay, you are a medical doctor....if he can have vascular problems in his heart and legs on top of his diabetes, wouldn't the same problems in his brain be reasonable?
Is there hard proof of this....I'm sure any of the motabhais out there can easily corroborate this, especially the ones that are MDs (ie Amit Barot, etc).
Alternatively, there must be medical records from his numerous hospital visits.

-Unbelievable

Hi Unbelievable,

Diabetes damages blood vessels to every part of the body including the brain. I am sure many people - the innner circle must have known a lot more about failing mental health. However, if you open your mouth you get shot down.
It is not uncommon for even the person in best physical shape to become a child like and lose the judgement. Nancy Reagan did a great job of keeping President Reagan nealy two decades out of public eye. Once you have dementia your brain is not able to function. It would be interesting to see some medical records. But it does explain why the events unfolded as it did - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 13th, 2006, 04:55am

Question:

Does a person who is brain washed know that he is brainwashed?

Answer:

No. That simple realization is the beginning of mental freedom.

ARE YOU A FREE THINKER OR ARE YOU SPOON FED YOUR OPINIONS BY THE POWERS THAT BE? TAKE THE TEST.

1) Do you stand by your convictions, or do you routinely change your opinions when you find out that most people think the opposite way?

2) Do you research things yourself, or do you trust others to do the work for you?

3) Do you fall for the statistics, "experts", and official opinions quoted by others without checking these sources out?

4) Do you feel that you have to quote these same sources whenever you say anything? Does it make you feel uncomfortable just to state an opinion simply because you personally believe it?

5) Do you believe that the majority is always correct, and because of this, it is advantageous to see how most people act before you make your decisions?

WHAT IS BRAINWASHING?

Brainwashing, also known as thought reform or re-education, is the application of coercive techniques to change the beliefs or behavior of one or more people usually for political or religious purposes. Whether any techniques at all exist that will actually work to change thought and behavior to the degree that the term "brainwashing" connotes is a controversial and at times hotly debated question.

Many people have come to use the terms "brainwashing" or "mind control" to explain the otherwise intuitively puzzling success of some methodologies for the religious conversion of inductees to new religious movements (including cults).

The term "brainwashing" is not widely used in psychology and other sciences, because of its vagueness and history of being used in propaganda, not to mention its association with hysterical fears of people being taken over by foreign ideologies. It is often more helpful to analyze "brainwashing" as a combination of manipulations to promote persuasion and attitude change, propaganda, coercion, capture-bonding, and restriction of access to neutral sources of information. Note that many of these techniques are more subtly used (usually unconsciously) by advertisers, governments, schools, parents and peers, so the aura of exoticism around "brainwashing" is undeserved. At the same time, nuanced forms of indoctrination and propaganda in religious, political and commercial venues may occasion wider and deeper impacts than do outright coercive tactics. Mirroring George Orwell's doublespeak, strategists of indoctrination and propaganda frequently disguise themselves as promoters of freedom and liberation.

Thought reform is the alteration of a person's basic attitudes and beliefs by outside manipulation. The term usually relates closely to brainwashing and mind control.


I REQUEST ALL BRAINWASHED SWADHYAYEE TO READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT, AND NOT TAKE ANY COLLECTIVE STUPID ACTION LIKE MOTABHAI BHARAT BHATT AND OTHERS DID.

DOES GITA OR HINDUISM TEACH US THIS??

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LOOK AT THIS PICTURE AND IT WILL TELL YOU A LOT.....

- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 13th, 2006, 05:14am

Dear,

Any thought on why Gujarat Home Minister Amit Shah has to go and meet swami scaaidanand in his Ashram for an hour?? what did they discuss? Will the cops put full stop to their investigation and declare Mr. Bharat Bhatt a Master Mind? Why are Cops in such a hurry to do so? What did Bharat Bhatt and Didi discuss on phone the day Mr. Pankaj Trivedi was murdered? What if Bharat Bhatt during his 10 day remand confesses that Didi was after this all? Any motive behind Pankajbhai's killing? What if Didiji is really the master mind and Bharat bhai covers her up. If they could kill someone just because that person was trying to expose Didi's or Swadhyay's Scandals, just imagine what else can they do to cover her up.

MOTABHAI BHARAT BHATT IS UNDER REMAND, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HE NAMED DIDIJI OR SOMEONE ELSE TO BE BEHIND THIS TOO? WHO BRAINWASHED HIM AND THE OTHERS? HOW MANY BRAINWASHED LIKE HIM ARE THERE IN SWADHYAY?

Any Suggestions welcome!

- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com


Hi Ravi,

According to the news report Amit Shah spent an hour with Swami Sachchidanand assuring that investigation will go on as high as it needed to go. And government was going to get to the root of these events. I seriously doubt if Bharat Bhatt knowingly will admit any thing that will lead to others. However he may under the pressure give out some information that may prove a vital link. And if he is mentally exhausted he might provide some clues to financial irregularities. Basically all transection in Gujarat were under his control.
If Ghanshyam Chudasama becomes depressed and suicidal he may open his mouth too. - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Kamal on Jul 13th, 2006, 05:38am

Was Arjun also brainwashed by Lord Krishna when he left 'Gandiva' ?


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Samir Solanki on Jul 13th, 2006, 05:51am

Ravibhai,

It seems you have done good research on swadhyay parivar, all your questions are logical and you dont even seem prejudice towards dada or didi. I have a few questions for you, I hope you will answer them.

As per your discussion it seems that you are a strong beliver in GOD, they why do u oppose dadaji?

Few of my friends came to my house for Bhavferi and when I tried to ask them their opinion on Mr Pankajbhai's mureder they tried to ignore it. Even they did not say anything when I asked them about Dada putting Didi incharge after his dead, because as per his teaching it seems that Dada did not belived in gadi-pratha, but he belived in bhav-samarpan (emotions -leave) ..... I guess that is to ignore all material and emotional things that come accross and offer yourself to GOD. Why could he himself did not do Bhav-samarpan? why couldnt he leave MOH (affection and emotions) for his daughter and wealth that he accumulated, and made her incharge. why dint he practice, what he preached?

I have been reading this discussion once a day and seeing your videos, am somewhat convinced that Mr Pankaj Trivedi was a true and brave man, whom swadhyay parivar tried to portait as an EVIL... They have Brainwashed 10000's of their followers against him to file false cases in court... which he already won and when nothing worked finally killed him.

Thanks for opening my eyes. Great Job by you and Mr Vijay Mehta.

samir


Awakenning or Brainwash....
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 13th, 2006, 06:13am

Yes, he as you say was Brainwashed too, but was brainwashed to fight for the Truth and Injustice, his own family members (Kvras) did to then (Pandavs).

Thats what exactly I am trying to explain to todays Arjun's (swadhyayi) they could not speak against their own, they are in the same dilemma Arjun was.

I ask Lord Krishna to brainwash them again and bring them from darkness to light...

I think people need to understand difference between "Brainwash" and "Awakenning" Brainwash is when you follow what someone wants you to do and ignor your own conscious. Arjun was in a quandry, when he was facing his mentor Dronacharya, Bhism, and his own cousins.
Awakenning is when some one clarifies the pictures for you so you can follow the need of your conscious. Awakenning is wonderful. Brainwash is bad news.
Average Swadhyayee is at this time facing "Dharmakshtra - Kurukshetra, when they have to acknowledge that Pankajbhai's murder was a well planned act by people connected to highest level of Swadhyay for the purpose of silencing him. What could they be hiding that is so bad that they have to go to this extent? Now if your conscious is still awake it does not take much to come to conclusion. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 13th, 2006, 07:13am


who is suvrat ??
Didi was not blessed with any biological offspring inspite of devine blessings and all the attempts. So next in line for Athawale dynasty is Suvrat - who is a young nephew of Didi. - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 13th, 2006, 07:19am

Very Very Good Msg Ravi,

A NICE Msg FOR " SWADHYAYEE ARJUN" - This is an Award winning Msg of this forum
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 13th, 2006, 07:47am

on Jul 13th, 2006, 01:06am, Guest-poker wrote:
Let's hope Bharat bhatt name DIDI soon as a matermind in his remand.


from Where To Where?
Dear Vijay Bhai ..
---Before 20 years when we were new in Swadhyay that time i used to take Dada's book to my office and used to read in my free time; one day motabhai visited me in office and whaen he saw the book with me he told we should not read book in office hrs because we are atking salary for 8hrs i think am i right?- then i was proud of my involvement with Swadhyay !!
--When i heard that Dada when ever goes out of town he will do shave himself but when he comes back he will call his barber and give his share of money, just keeping up Manu's Varnaashrma; of course i was proud!!
-- for each & every activity Teerth Yatra, Bhav pheri, proyog, pareeksha every thing have its own glory really we were proud to be part of it!!!!!!
--Now we are hearing & seeing so many activities closed (particularly non-comm like study ciricle), Y-Krishi land sold, Matsya Gandha registered on personel names, Land disputes, Fund disputes, in extent one Swadhyayee wrote that if you can prove in court, and atlast beatings and Murder, no ethics, no values some times values can share bu thieves also but no principles
-- Vilay Bhai & Ravi bhai we want this old glory to back again, please let this forum work for that

Trying to get the old glory and feeling of Parivar back is the main mission of this forum. I am sure some motabhai see this forum as attack on Swadhyay, but it is NOT.
If Swadhyay was some criminal operation and was falling apart I would not waste my time discussing the issue. The problem we face is the fact that Swadhyay as a movement had way of converting ordinary people into social reformet. It did have the discipline. Any such organization needs a strong leadership structure to sustain the momentum.
I agree that it can not run on whims of few people. As the organization grows they have to meet the challange of making sure that it stays on course.
In case of Swadhyay I see Dada started out as a visionary man who knew how to connect to millions of people and transform them. Unfortunately, his will power died long before his body. This gave oppertunity to Didi and her inner circle to take over the control of the empire. (by this time it became financial empire with cash inflow to match any successful corporation).
They successfully managed to change constitution and assume devine power.
In this process many leaders who were shocked had to make a choice. Many of them went in wishful thinking that everything will turn out OK just focus on the Swadhyay work. They are like Bhism of Mahabharat- good hearted people who felt that they had to be loyal to Dada and they could not hear the message from Krishna within them. I am sure many of them to day are looking back and regretting the decision.
Then there were few bold ones like Vinoo Sachania and Pankaj Trivedi, who refused to keep ears and mouth shut. They knew fully well what they were up against. They were harassed and intimidated. Beaten and even killed.
One thing Didi underestimated is the fact the Pankajbhai had done a grand job of documenting all his concerns so when they killed him they crossed the line.
Even the strongest Mafia in USA learned that if you kill a policemen you invite your own death. "Gharodi Marawani Thai Tyare Waghri Wade Jay" It is a matter of fate that they so overestimated their power and so underestimated the response from polioce, media, people. Bhagawanke Ghar Der Hain Andher Nahin Hain.
I am sure if they can turn back the clock all the leaders would never try to even think of killing Pankajbhai.
What would I do if I were Swadhyayee?
That is a good question, I have often wondered about that.
I think the smart thing to do is to know when to talk and who to talk. Internet is a great place for you to annonymously express your views. You may create new e mail account and send out relevant portion of views form this and many other forums to all the people you know. You might even start conversation with them as if you got the same email and how you felt about it. Soon you will come to know who else if feeling the same way. As the number of people with the same feeling reach critical concentration like 20-30 percent it may be time to bring it up to rest of the group.

You must make sure that you do not forget the great things about Swadhayay. At the same time you have a new attitude that you can do swadhyay without people siphoning your money or controlling what you can say, read, think or talk. It is a slow process but can be accomplished in 6 months. Everytime there is unfairness you should be willing to speak. For example if there was a discussion about earthquake - it is proper to say "I believe that if we collected money for earthquake it should be used for that purpose" or if we have built 4500 houses we should be able to tell every one where they are. etc.
Good luck- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 13th, 2006, 07:56am

Ravibhai,

It seems you have done good research on swadhyay parivar, all your questions are logical and you dont even seem prejudice towards dada or didi. I have a few questions for you, I hope you will answer them.

As per your discussion it seems that you are a strong beliver in GOD, they why do u oppose dadaji?


I DO BELIVE IN GOD A LOT (PLEASE SEE Reply #693)

SAMIR, WHAT I HAVE DONE IS USED MY COMMON SENSE, I AM NOT HEAR TO SHADOW DADAJI OR DIDIJI AS AN EVIL. I AM 100% SURE WHAT DADAJI STARTED WAS A NOBLE WORK, BUT WHAT I SEE TODAY WITHIN SWADHYAY MOVEMENT CANNOT BE A IDEA OF NOBLE PERSON. TODAY, I SEE SOME CONFLICT BETWEEN HIS PREACHINGS AND HIS ACTS. THE BIGGEST OF ALL IS WHY DID HE TRY TO SUPPRESS THE THINKING OF HIS FOLLOWERS, BUT AS IN GITA KRISHNA BHAGWAAN TRIES TO ENLIGHTEN ARJUN.

Few of my friends came to my house for Bhavferi and when I tried to ask them their opinion on Mr Pankajbhai's mureder they tried to ignore it. Even they did not say anything when I asked them about Dada putting Didi incharge after his dead, because as per his teaching it seems that Dada did not belived in gadi-pratha, but he belived in bhav-samarpan (emotions -leave) ..... I guess that is to ignore all material and emotional things that come accross and offer yourself to GOD. Why could he himself did not do Bhav-samarpan? why couldnt he leave MOH (affection and emotions) for his daughter and wealth that he accumulated, and made her incharge. why dint he practice, what he preached?

I CHALLANGE ANY SWADHYAYI IF HE CAN ANSWER THIS! I MYSELF DONT HAVE ANY ANSWER TO IT, ONLY DADA OR DADI COULD ANSWER THIS.

WHENEVER I TRIED TO RAISE MR. PANKAJBHAI'S ALLEGATIONS FOR SWADHYAY PARIVAR AND THE LEADER, THE SWADHYAYEE USE TO SAY "HE IS AFTER MONEY, HE IS DOING THIS ALL BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET HIS SHARE OF MONEY"

BUT AFTER HIS DEATH AND POLICE INVESTIGATION THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. WE ALL KNOW WHO ARE LIAR'S AND WHO BRAINWASHED THE FOLLOWERS TO KILL PANKAJBHAI.

I have been reading this discussion once a day and seeing your videos, am somewhat convinced that Mr Pankaj Trivedi was a true and brave man, whom swadhyay parivar tried to portait as an EVIL... They have Brainwashed 10000's of their followers against him to file false cases in court... which he already won and when nothing worked finally killed him.

Thanks for opening my eyes. Great Job by you and Mr Vijay Mehta.

THANK YOU VIJAY BHAI FOR YOUR DISCUSSION

- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 08:00am

Ravi,

I am amazed at your passion and analysis of facts and phiolosophies/current practices. It is unfortunate in an overall sense but I completely agree with you

I think swadhyayees are in a big dilema - to speak up or not to.

On one hand they see that the investigation is unpeeling ominous things which is questioning their very basic faith and on other hand they don't want to be singled out and eventually be targetted for disgrace, insult and even violence

Khotabhai's are all out to identify who all are with them, on the fence or against them and who is migrating from one area to other - they are using every opportunity to mention that swadhyay is facing a crisis and all swadhyayees should be united. MEDIA HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY OPPONENTS! and all such BS

What is your advise to such swadhyayees who are now sceptic about this whole thing??

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 08:28am

Great post Ravi.

If I had to summarize it in one sentence........

TRUTH IS GOD.....ISHWAR SATYA HAI, SATYA HI SHIV HAIN.

DON'T JUST SAY IT EVERYDAY LIKE A ROBOT, BUT TRY TO PRACTICE IT IN REAL LIFE.

IF YOU HAVE NO PASSION OR DESIRE TO FIND THE TRUTH, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND GODhuh??


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Swadhyay Communication Network
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 13th, 2006, 08:31am

Without any newspaper, radio or television the communication from top to grassroots is carried out very efficiently. And millions of dedicated and devoted members are responsible for it.

Newpaper ad may be 500 rupees per square inch
Radio time may be 5000 rupees per minute.
TV Time may be 30,000 rupees per minute
Dedicated workers - Priceless!

While we talk a lot about all the wealth accumulated in different trust funds, the real wealth of Swadhyay is the devotion of millions of people. Unfortunately, with current events that fund is likely to take a free fall.

Can you imagine, if all these resources were used for real upliftment what can be achieved?


Article in Akila on7/13 describing communication in Swadhyay - link not functioning

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 13th, 2006, 08:44am

on Jul 13th, 2006, 08:00am, Guest-Guest wrote:
Ravi,

I am amazed at your passion and analysis of facts and phiolosophies/current practices. It is unfortunate in an overall sense but I completely agree with you

I think swadhyayees are in a big dilema - to speak up or not to.

On one hand they see that the investigation is unpeeling ominous things which is questioning their very basic faith and on other hand they don't want to be singled out and eventually be targetted for disgrace, insult and even violence

Khotabhai's are all out to identify who all are with them, on the fence or against them and who is migrating from one area to other - they are using every opportunity to mention that swadhyay is facing a crisis and all swadhyayees should be united. MEDIA HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY OPPONENTS! and all such BS

What is your advise to such swadhyayees who are now sceptic about this whole thing??


MEDIA HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY OPPONENTS!

WERE MOTABHAI BHARAT BHATT AND OTHERS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING OF MR. PANKAJ TRIVEDI PURCHASED BY OPPONENTS TOO? AM JUST EAGER TO HEAR SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THIS FOR HER..... I DOUBT SHE WOULD SAY THIS TOO ATLAST IN ORDER TO FOOL HER BLIND FOLLOWERS.

IF SWADHYAY IS IN REAL SELF-STUDY, YOU CAN DO IT IN THE CORNER OF YOUR ROOM, OR IS IT GATHERING OR MASS MOVEMENT TO SHOW THE FORCE? LOVE YOUR REAL BROTHERS, SISTERS AND RELATIVES.... I AM SURE THEY NEED YOU MORE THEN ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE.


MY ADVICE IS "TOUGH DECISION"

There's this tough decision I (SWADHYAYI) have to make
I might end up losing my family (SWADYAY PARIVAR), and we all will be at stake,
If I let her come back home (HEART) with so much hate,
She began to make another false accusation, while crying
while faking, while trying to put more bad icing on the cake,
There's not much more I can do, or take.
I love her, but don't understand her,
It might be a big mistake, 'cause she says, she's nice,
All the while she acts like a sneaky snake,
and if she doesn't get her way, her anger grows into a earthquake,
My eyes are wide awake,
She wants everything her way,
If not she tells more tall tale lies,
Then why does she want to come back home to stay?

VIJAY BHAI YOU PLEASE TRY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION TOO!

- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

IF YOU STILL HAVE DOUBT LOOK AT THIS PICTURE
KRISHNA BHAGWAAN MIGHT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:04am

--"When i heard that Dada when ever goes out of town he will do shave himself but when he comes back he will call his barber and give his share of money"

Why did he shave himself in USA? Any of the Motabhais would have willingly and obediently become his "Hajaam".
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:07am

ADVICE TO OUR DADIJI :

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."


Vase samajdar ko ishara kafi hai ..... good luck Didiji, Bhagwaan ka naam per logo ko ullu bannane walla aaj khud hi ullu ban gayee, kyo ki Bhawaan ki lathi main awaz nahi hoti.........

Jay Shree Krishna

- Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Krantikari and Jagrut Swadhyayee Pankajbhai
Post by Well done Pankajbhai on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:07am

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Hey folks , discussion here is uncompleted without Pankajbhai 's photo....................Somebody please download it from this photo blog http://flickr.com/photos/japanpathak
Click over his photo and again click on all sizes option so that you will have big size picture , paste it here on this discussion board

WDP
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:09am

The best way to make people "SEE and ACCEPT" the TRUTH is to BRING TRUTH in FRONT of BLIND FOLLOWERS repeatedly and effectively.

I have yet to meet a single person who is brainwadhed and has realized or admitted that he is brainwashed.

It takes little longer to UNDO all the brainwashing that had been going on for YEARS and DECADES. We need lots of patience. Media will certain try to bring out the TRUTH and as this murder case proceeds. more and more scandals will come out for sure.

We need to be considerate to the BLIND FOLLOWERS and treat them like a doctor would treat the patient.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ramu Goli on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:15am

Where is Jayshree btw? Could anyone please let us know?
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:39am

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PANKAJ TRIVEDI - THE TRUE SWADHYAYI HERO, ABHIMANYU
HE FOUGHT HIS OWN FOR THE TRUTH

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 13th, 2006, 09:50am


I hate to say it, but I don't think any of this would have happened if Dada's life was not prolonged to the extent it was....

I think that is absolutely true. When your mind goes much before body, everyone can take advantage of you. With modern medicine it is not hard to keep the body alive long after the fully functioning brain is gone. So a powerful leader becomes a child at the mercy of those who take care of them. - Vijay Mehta.
Sins of Brother
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:21am

Ghanshyambhai Chudasama has a brother who is police subinspector for Gandhinagar police. He apprantly knew about involvement of Ghanshyam in murder but did not report it. It is a crime for policeman to cover up murder, so he is in trouble too. What a dielemma - your brother commits murder, do you report him or be a good brother?

Paying price for "Bhai's " Pap - Sins of Brother!


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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:41am


VIJAY UNCLE, What is your advise to such swadhyayees who are now skeptic about this whole thing??

Please see my response # 767 to Karan

Ask Khotabhai; If the media was to be bought Swadhyay has much larger fund than the fans of Jagrut parivar or Pankajbhai's family. Why don't we outbid them?
Remember on June 14, 2006 Swadhyay had so much power in police, government and in the bank and also in media that 95 percent people would not even dream of saying any thing negative about them in Gujarat.
It was this power that made them think they were invincible. It was that Ahankar that made them come with this stupid plan of getting rid of Pankajbhai and now they are paying heavy price.
What every one needs to do is to listen to everything Motabhais have to say and read everything that is available in news and forums and then use your own common sense and ask what seems to be making more sense.
Remember when any one asks you not to read or talk basically they are saying "you are too stupid to be trusted when you open your mouth or your ears" if that is the case follow them. If not do the right thing. smiley
Good luck - Vijay Mehta

If you hate Gujarat Police wait till IRS comes
Post by KING on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:00am

"Intermediate sanctions" were enacted in 1998 to give the IRS tools to use against individuals who abuse tax-exempt status for personal gain. There are other items in the FAQ that discuss intermediate sanctions more generally (see http://www.nonpriofits.org/npofaq/18/13.html).

Stephen C. Nill wrote to CharityLaw (see http://www.charitychannel.com) on January 25, 2001:

A nonprofit organization has brought suit to recover certain funds that were transferred to a disqualified person without adequate consideration. That matter will be in trial in a state court shortly. Defendants are the person who received the excess benefit and the board members who approved it.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:38am

The IRS itself has a detailed website.

To find information about the rules and procedures for nonprofits on the IRS website, use the official term -- "exempt organizations." A great useful starting point for looking up this information on the IRS website is at

http://www.irs.gov/eo

The IRS also offers an email service that forwards updates on policies about exempt organizations and changes to the EO section of the IRS website. To learn about this service and how to subscribe, visit http://www.irs.gov/charities/page/0,,id=130596,00.html

The "Internal Revenue Manual" is online; Part 7 has detailed guidance on many questions relating to nonprofits. See http://www.irs.gov/irm/part7/index.html

Most discussions of "nonprofits" focus on "public charities" (recognized under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code) and "private foundations" (also recognized under 501(c)(3) but required to follow different rules in important areas of their operations). There are many other types of exempt organizations permitted under federal law; for an introduction to the full range, see the FAQ item at http://www.nonprofits.org/npofaq/16/08.html


Swadhyay
Post by A Non Swadyaeee on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:39am

I Have learnt in the swadhai kendra for 3 years in the early eighties. I learnt under Yogini Aunty (Wife of Ramdas Gandhi) She is and was a great teacher.and said to be very close to DADA but even then I found some thing missing. I have since not attended any Swadhyay related activities. I have My Immedieate cousins who are Inspid Swadhyais and were the ones who always said that I was a non Beliver and a nastik if I did not belive in the then GREAT DADA. Then I only felt that God is from within and should not be professed or forced upon. The said INSPID followers of Swadhyay are now targeted as criminilas and the are fearing for their life for obvious reasons I would not like to take their names. But it for all to see that where the movement called Swadhaya is leading to. But still I believe we should take the good from the bad and do what our heart says what is right or wrong.

This was something from the heart

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Who can benefit from a nonprof on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:42am

Who can benefit from a nonprofit's activities?

Nonprofits are restricted to public purposes and may not be used as a source of private gain.

Someone wrote in usnonprofit-l (in July 1994):

Non-profits are organizations and no individual or group is supposed to benefit financially from the activities of the organization.

Putnam Barber answered:

I think this comment would be stronger if it said that no-one involved in the organization is supposed to benefit /personally/ from its activities. The issue is confused because we use the word "benefit" for so many purposes in talking about nonprofits (no-one objects, do they, to the "employee benefits package"?).

Because the issue is confused, observers have tended to follow the language of the IRS code and speak technically of "a prohibition against private inurement." /Inurement/ is a an old-fashioned word for getting used to something. We've seen it in the common phrase "become inured to" a wrong. It's been extended in this special context to mean something like "enjoyment of ill-gotten gains."

The lawyers, accountants and tax-agents have struggled mightily trying to come up with clear and consistent standards in this area but is much confusion and dispute still. In my state (Washington), most nonprofit corporations are (1) not allowed to have stockholders and (2) "no part of" their "income" may be distributed to "members, directors or officers."

I know this thought is not what the original comment was pointing at, but it's still important to recognize that /of course/ individuals (people who get scholarships from foundations, for example) and groups (apple growers who benefit from the work of the Apple Commission, for another example) "benefit financially" from the work of nonprofits. The prohibition on "private inurement" is designed to bar an organization from using tax-exempt (donated!) income exclusively to grant scholarships to the children of its board members, or to prevent suppliers from taking control of a trade association and controlling the selection of printers, insurance companies, etc., so that only the suppliers who are in on the deal can get the association's business.

I believe a major part of the difficulty that infects this whole discussion is that people tend to go at it "negatively" -- trying to describe what is /not/ permitted -- rather than affirmatively focusing on the goal.

What is supposed to happen is that a group of people get together with some public-spirited purpose and agree to marshal resources from among themselves and the wider community to be used to address that goal. Laws and regulations get into the story at three points:

1. States allow people to form nonprofit corporations because it's useful to all of us to make it easier for people to work together in this public-spirited way. We don't have to worry too much about exactly what they're doing or how they go about it as long as its their own money they're using and all of it goes to the public purpose.

2. Many state governments (though not all) and the federal government have over the years identified some "public-spirited purposes" as being worthy of further encouragement. Encouragement -- tax-exemptions and other benefits -- is given only to organizations which qualify. The rules for qualifying are often complicated and obscure. In Washington, there are 33,000 regular nonprofit corporations; 7,000 organizations (4,500 of them churches) have qualified for exemption from state-and-local property taxes.

If you're interested in this topic in detail, NYU School of Law will send you for $9.50 a 120-page compendium of "Privileges and Exemptions Enjoyed by Nonprofit Organizations." Write room 205, 110 W 3rd St, NY, NY 10012. More than half of most pages in this useful book is used for references to laws, regulations and other sources.

3. If the organization solicits donations from the public, most states and the federal government get involved in (a) encouraging some sorts of donations to some sorts of organizations and (b) protecting donors from some kinds of scams and rip-offs.

The familiar "section 501(c)(3)" is a reference to the section of the IRS code that allows certain organizations ("religious, charitable, scientific or educational" organizations, in the language of 1894 that survives to this day) to pass on to their donors a further benefit: the right to deduct the amount of the donation when calculating their /personal/ income taxes ("subject", of course, "to other provisions of the law").

Many states have laws that regulate "charitable solicitations" and try to ensure that organizations seeking donations from the public will do so in ethical ways and use the proceeds for public-spirited purposes. Whether or not an organization has been recognized by the IRS under section 501(c)(3), it is worth checking with /state/ authorities to be sure all the rules are understood and followed /before/ planning any serious fund-raising efforts that depend on soliciting donations from individuals.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by PUBLIC INTEREST WATCH ORG on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:50am

Very good resources on I.R.S and tax exepmt 501-c-3 organizations.

http://www.publicinterestwatch.org/

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by PUBLIC INTEREST WATCH ORG on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:51am

Very good info on non profit tax exempt 501-c-3 org and I.R.S.

http://www.publicinterestwatch.org/



When IRS comes knocking they want answers
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:03pm

'DAY' under scrutiny


IRS Ka Bulawa Aaya Hain
Muze Sabse Bade Ghar Jana Hain

I always thought IRS was a villain until now....

NRI donors are getting in the act (finally!)

NRI donors have asked the Internal Revenue Service to look into the allegations that nearly 2.5 Million dollars were collected from USA in response to Gujarat Earthquake of 2001 by Devotional Association of Yogeswar ( a non profit organization).

NRI who donated generously for this purpose has informed Mr. Howard Molin, a special agent from Criminal Investigation Division of Internal Revenue Service.

They complained that these funds were not used for the stated purpose nor is there any evidence of transfer of this funds to India for the relief work.

They pointed out to Mr. Molin that since the time of donation there has been no accounting of the funds. Looking at the form 990 filed by DAY it is obvious that the funds collected for earthquake has never been transferred to India. The agency in charge of disaster management in Gujarat has no record of any relief activities by the group.

Not only that but they have murdered NRI Pankaj Trivedi of Ohio while he was in India, for asking questions. At this time senior workers of Swadhyay are in police custody for the murder.

Group of donors have appealed to the IRS to look into the management of funds. (Partially translated)

All the motabhais who has been challenging us to prove that there was fraud must be happy now because we shall have resolution of this issue. - Vijay Mehta



http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060714/guj/gujarat/news1.html

Pankajbhai, your fight shall not go in vain!

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Non profits in the News on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:05pm

Non profits in the News

On July 2, 2006, the Tampa Tribune ran "Charity Watchdog Critical of Shriners' Endowment" by Alan Snel and Mary Shedden. It described how the Shriners are able to spend so much of their budget on program expenses and so little on fundraising because they rely on the individual Shriners in their Temples to raise money at no cost for them. From the article:

"The American Institute of Philanthropy gave the Shriners an "F" for maintaining such a high amount of money in the bank, said Daniel Borochoff, the institute's founder. Any charity that has more than five years' worth of budget spending in the bank gets an automatic "F," he said. "Most nonprofits have limited charitable resources. Most nonprofits can barely meet their budgets," Borochoff said. "It's not that they're a horrible group, but [having all the money in the bank] is a poor basis to be asking people for money." According to the article, "if Shriners relied on only its endowment and its returns, it could run its hospitals for the next 13 years without another cent of fundraising."

I wonder what they would give to earthquake relief effort by Swadhyay (F-)? - Vijay Mehta

Constant communications btwn Didi & Bharat Bhatt
Post by M Makwana on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:08pm

Bharat Bhatt was in contact with two other murderers Ghansyambhai and Hiteshbhai on his mobile before and after the murder. According to him he received a phone call from Didi who was in London within few minutes of murder. Apparently Didi asked him if Pankajbhai was murdered? Bharat Bhatt refused to elaborate further about the content of that conversation.

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by DAY under scrutiny on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:09pm

Good job. One important thing that is not mentioned in the complaint is the TOTAL CONTROL of one person/one family. This will disqualify them as a tax exempt organization and I.R.S. will penalize them big time.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:11pm

This is English translation of previous article in Gujarati.
Swadhyaya has excellent net work of internal communication.
The message is sent from Nirmal Niketan, Mumbai to following three different locations.
1. a. Nandniketan-Rajkot,
b. Bhav Nirzar-Amdavad, and
c. Parth Priti-Vadodara
d. Above three places are known as “ SANGHAT”.

2. Each Sanghat has 3 or 4 Motabhai. Under this Sanghat is
Taluka Kendra aka Center.
3. Like Rajkot has 8 Talukas. Each Taluka has 3-4 Motabhai.
4. There are about 25 Villages under Taluka known as Patti.
Each Patti has 3-4 main workers or Motabhai.
5. In addition they use the public blackboard in village to
advise Swadhyayees.
So they have excellent and dedicated staff of Net work. So within a short time information from Central office in Mumbai gets dissipated to all Swadhyayees.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO SEND THE DISCUSION IN THIS FORUM TO THEM OR TO GET THEIR RESPONSE? OR TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE ADVISING THEIR DEVOTEES ABOUT THE SUBJECT MATTER. AT LEAST WE WILL KNOW WHAT THERE THINKING IS?

IT IS AMAZING THAT NO PUBLIC FIGURE OR POLITICIAN OR ANY RELIGIOUS GURU SAYS ANYHTING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? DOES IT PROVES THAT THE HANDS OF DIDI ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE? IT IS SHAME THAT PERSON RESPECTED YESTERDAY AS REVERNED HEAD OF THE GROUP HAS TO GO IN HIDING.

HUMBLE AND PERSONAL APEAL TO MR. BHARATBHAI BHATT. BHARATBHAI, BE BRAVE AND TELL THE TRUTH AND BE CONTENT WITH TRUE GOD AND TRUTH. YOU WILL BE DOING GREAT SERVICE NOT ONLY TO YOUR SELF, YOUR FAMILY AND ALL WHO REPSECTED YOU AND TO YOUR GOD. GOD KNOWS ALL ANY WAY.
YOU ARE DUPED AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE BY BRAINWASHING. NOW IS THE TIME TO CLEAN UP THE MESH AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY PERSON. GOD BLESS YOU AND PRAY THAT HE GUIDES YOU IN RIGHT DIRECTION.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by DAY 2002 ACCOUNTS USA on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:13pm

Devotional Association of Yogeswar .. Tax return from 1998 to 2002 check out for yourself and look at the balance at the end of 2000 and end of 2002. Can this be due to windfall from earthquake? - Vijay Mehta

http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?finId=100965982&npoId=543599&gotoNext=/reports/partners/guidestar/showDocuments.jsp

Click on the above link to see the accounts for yourself -
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sunil on Jul 13th, 2006, 12:28pm

Interesting discussion about SP (Swadhyay Parivar) is going on.
Firstly we also should open our eyes.When such a situation arises in SP u will find following categories of people
a)No body fm SP is wrong allthe allegations are baseless
b)Fault of the deciples eg.Motabhais etc. & not of D1 or D2.
c)Fault of D2 & not of D1.
d)Partial fault of D1 & major of D2.
Majority of the people who are currently in SP will be ready to accept b & c.
Even majority of the critics are in catagory d.
With this frame of mind we are trying to find out what is to be done & how.
It is clear that some sympathy for D1 exists, & till the time it exists rational thinking is not possible as we will
always try to bring back the good times in the context of D1.
What is required is firstly is to understand D1.
His behavior pattern right from the begining is suspicious. He was clerely behind money,then fame.For this he required people.So he stuided what will attract people.That is why the lies of Japan, Radhakrishnan,Ayachakwrata,Aakashwrutti etc.started.
To attract the so called intellectuals & educated class
copying of the thoughts & books started ( witout mentioning the original names).The lies were told with such a mastery & confidence that people never doubted him.
So the basis of Swadhyaya is false.
What appeares to be good was already there in practice & the new which was added proved to be disastrous in the long run.
We must go beyond D1 to the originators such as Satawalekar,Balshastri Hardas,Vinoba Bhave & then to the thoughts of all the Saints viz. Dnyaneshwar,Tukaram,Ramdasswami,Narsi Mehata & many such realy divine souls.Study their life & literature
analyse the huge amount of work done by them without any expectation. Then compare it with what we were told to do & we were doing asuuming it is divine work.
this will lead us to understand the basics of Bhakti & Adhyatma & will help us to be Satwik & Eeshwarnistha.
We say Bhakti is A Social Force but for that Bhakti Is is the basic condition the above exercise will help us to be real bhaktas the social force will come automatically.

So basically you are saying that we were duped from very begining. But D1 was very good about covering it up so no one could question but once he left things changed and now the faults are visible?
Good theory - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 13th, 2006, 1:11pm

Congratulations, Dr. Vijaybhai!
By starting this website you have given enough exposure to this worthy case of Pankajbhai. Your effort has provided an opportunity to many people to disclose some personal matters and express their opinions fearlessly We could come to learn the greed and even grief of certain staunch Swdhyayees. I am proud of Samir Solanki for courageously expressing his gratitude for self realization by visiting your website, and leaving the cult. Your matured opinions are very valuable and thought-provoking.

Even with your busy schedule of a full-time job, Bone-Marrow Drive and constant counseling to the Desi youngsters, you are doing a great social service here by opening the eyes of all of us.
May God give you enough strength to successfully finish all your projects.

Thank you - Vijay Mehta
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by 2002 ACCOUNTS on Jul 13th, 2006, 1:24pm

Vijaybhai,

It would help if the link (showing Accounts as above) is forwarded to all Editors of all the News papers in India/USA & UK. Especially those who have shown courage to EXPOSE the other side of Swadhaya.

Once, these details are published, the people in the villages will start to belive that news papers are right and Didi and her prpoganda machine is wrong!

With Lord Krishna's grace these blind faith followers will come to their senses and lets hope that they will not take part in money generating projects run by Didi & her cronies.

If Police in UK can consider interviewing PM Mr Blair for "cash for Peerages" why police is not considering interviewing Didi for such a brutal killing, commited by her henchmen?

Thank you. All you have to do is to send the following link in every email you send out. And send the link to all the news paper editors. When they read all the information here they can come to their own conclusions. By the way 'Akila' Indiai also had an article about our forum and Ravi Patel. So more and more people from India are also accessing our site. Keep up the good work. Keep it clean. - Vijay Mehta

http://vmehta.conforums3.com/index.cgi?board=Religions&action=display&num=1150555879


Police scared to arrest Didi
Post by An Observer on Jul 13th, 2006, 1:41pm

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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 13th, 2006, 1:52pm

Possible points for well worded letter to highlight the truth.

1. USA stands for life, liberty and pursuit of Justice.

2. How Swadhyay leader with her henchmen have made mockery of these principles by killing Pankajbhai, attacking innocent people ( and thus violating their liberty) and making mockery of justice by filing wrongful cases against Pankajbhai in India.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by IRS REGULATIONS on Jul 13th, 2006, 2:03pm

A well worded letter to I.R.S. and to the newspapers in USA, should elaboarate in detail how D.A.Y. is violating the I.R.S. requirements for a tax exempt 501-c-3 organization.

I.R.S.Publication 557
Facts and circumstances. The determination of whether a person has substantial influence over the affairs of an organization is based on all the facts and circumstances. Facts and circumstances that show a person has substantial influence over the affairs of an organization include, but are not limited to, the following.
• The person founded the organization.

• The person is a substantial contributor to the organization under the section 507(d)(2)(A) definition, only taking into account contributions to the organization for the past 5 years.
• The person's compensation is primarily based on revenues derived from activities of the organization that the person controls. (All the expenses of Adhavale family is paid by the organization)

• The person has or shares authority to control or determine a substantial portion of the organization's capital expenditures, operating budget, or compensation for employees. (Didi has in her possession undated signed resignation letter from every trustee)

• The person manages a discrete segment or activity of the organization that represents a substantial portion of the activities, assets, income, or expenses of the organization, as compared to the organization as a whole.

• The person owns a controlling interest (measured by either vote or value) in a corporation, partnership, or trust that is a disqualified person.
• The person is a non-stock organization controlled directly or indirectly by one or more disqualified persons.
Churches. Although a church, its integrated auxiliaries, or a convention or association of churches is not required to file Form 1023 to be exempt from federal income tax or to receive tax deductible contributions, the organization may find it advantageous to obtain recognition of exemption. In this event, you should submit information showing that your organization is a church, synagogue, association or convention of churches, religious order, or religious organization that is an integral part of a church, and that it is engaged in carrying out the function of a church.
In determining whether an admittedly religious organization is also a church, the IRS does not accept any and every assertion that the organization is a church. Because beliefs and practices vary so widely, there is no single definition of the word church for tax purposes. The IRS considers the facts and circumstances of each organization applying for church status.
Integrated auxiliaries. An organization is an integrated auxiliary of a church if all the following are true.
1. The organization is described both in sections 501(c)(3) and 509(a)(1), 509(a)(2), or 509(a)(3).
2. It is affiliated with a church or a convention or association of churches.
3. It is internally supported. An organization is internally supported unless both of the following are true.
a. It offers admissions, goods, services or facilities for sale, other than on an incidental basis, to the general public (except goods, services, or facilities sold at a nominal charge or for a small part of the cost).
b. It normally gets more than 50% of its support from a combination of governmental sources, public solicitation of contributions, and receipts from the sale of admissions, goods, performance of services, or furnishing of facilities in activities that are not unrelated trades or businesses.

Note.
In order for an organization (including a church and religious organization) to qualify for tax exemption, no part of its net earnings may inure to any individual.
Although an individual is entitled to a charitable deduction for contributions to a church, the assignment or similar transfer of compensation for personal services to a church generally does not relieve a taxpayer of federal income tax liability on the compensation, regardless of the motivation behind the transfer.

Life Cycle of a Public Charity - Jeopardizing Exemption

A section 501(c)(3) organization will jeopardize its exemption if ceases to be operated exclusively for exempt purposes. An organization will be operated exclusively for exempt purposes only if it engages primarily in activities that accomplish the exempt purposes specified in section 501(c)(3). An organization will not be so regarded if more than an insubstantial part of its activities does not further an exempt purpose. A 501(c)(3) organization:

must absolutely refrain from participating in the political campaigns of candidates for local, state, or federal office
must restrict its lobbying activities to an insubstantial part of its total activities
must ensure that its earnings do not inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual
must not operate for the benefit of private interests such as those of its founder, the founder's family, its shareholders or persons controlled by such interests
must not operate for the primary purpose of conducting a trade or business that is not related to its exempt purpose, such as a school's operation of a factory
may not have purposes or activities that are illegal or violate fundamental public policy.
In addition to loss of the organization's section 501(c)(3) exempt status, activities constituting inurement may result in the imposition of penalty excise taxes on individuals benefiting from excess benefit transactions.



Proof of independent control. An organization is permitted to establish to the satisfaction of the IRS that disqualified persons do not directly or indirectly control it. For example, in the case of a religious organization operated in connection with a church, the fact that the majority of the organization's governing body is composed of lay persons who are substantial contributors to the organization will not disqualify the organization under section 509(a)(3) if a representative of the church, such as a bishop or other official, has control over the policies and decisions of the organization.

Inurement/Private Benefit - Charitable Organizations

A section 501(c)(3) organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, such as the creator or the creator's family, shareholders of the organization, other designated individuals, or persons controlled directly or indirectly by such private interests. No part of the net earnings of a section 501(c)(3) organization may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.
A private shareholder or individual is a person having a personal and private interest in the activities of the organization.


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by An Observer on Jul 13th, 2006, 2:06pm

We should be very careful in drafting the report. It should be based on reliable figures and subtantial enough to incite questions from American public, investigation from IRS, and revocation of Templeton Award by its authority.
Secret of prosperity - Swadhyay way
Post by Vijay Mehta on Jul 13th, 2006, 3:08pm

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Article in Gujarati Samachar describes how Swadhyay made money in very unconventional but efficient way.

On October 19, 2000 there was a Sheet Vandana program on the banks of Narmada River in Bharuch District. Swadhyay had bought thousand of plastic chairs for that program. Once program was over, Dada was asked as to what to do with the chairs. Dada's solution distribute them.

So all the villagers were given and option of buying a chair as Prasad for 280 to 360 rupees. Because the demand was more than supply, motabhai went to local stores and bought more chairs at half the price! No receipt, no accounting, profit hi profit - Jay Bhogeswar!

This process repeats at nearly every event. Even the cloath used for Tal Patri is sold as Prasad and poor and ignorant devotees pay double the going price for all of this.

The sweets and fireworks during diwali celebrations, Rakhi during Raksha bandhan, and Patang (kite) during Uttaran were money makers. All the expenses were charged to the trusts and income only God knows where it went. What a marketing!

I am begining to understand, how if I were to be a motabhai I would not like Pankaj Trivedi to open his mouth!

Dada must have been genious! - Vijay Mehta


Gujarati Article:
http://www.gujaratsamachar.com/gsa/20060714/guj/gujarat/news3.html

Fatal and Stupid Intervention
Post by India Todya Article on Jul 13th, 2006, 3:12pm



http://www.indiatoday.com/itoday/20060710/web.html

An NRI who questions the use of funds by a prominent religious sect in Gujarat gets beaten to death. India Today's
By: Uday Mahurkar looks at the inside story.


Politics of succession, especially when it concerns a Rs 1,000-crore empire, can prove fatal. For Pankaj Trivedi, 52, an NRI who questioned the use of funds by the Swadhyay Parivar�a sect devoted to spreading Lord Krishna's teachings�it resulted in his being beaten to death as he emerged from the Ellisbridge Gymkhana Club in Ahmedabad on June 15.

His killers used a baseball bat and sticks. The manner and the timing of the gruesome murder suggest that it was the act of a section of Swadhyay Parivar workers loyal to Jayshree Talwalkar alias Didi, 49. Talwalkar is the successor to Magsaysay and Templeton award winning Bhagwad Gita preacher, Pandurang Athavale, who founded the Swadhyay Parivar, which ranks as one of the foremost socio-religious movements of India. Based on the message of Gita, the Swadhyay movement has many achievements to its credit when it comes to welfare of poor communities like fishermen, Vaghris, Aghris and Kolis.

Trivedi who had challenged Swadhyay movement's current leadership on the issue of lacking fiscal transparency and autocratic functioning, wrote a letter to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi in 2004, informing him about the threat to his life from the Parivar. Trivedi's son, Himanshu, who rushed to Ahmedabad from Ohio State in the US along with his mother, Shruti, following his father's murder, said in his police statement that his father often used to talk about the threat to his life from Talwalkar loyalists. Incidentally, Talwalkar had gone to the US for a long vacation in the third week of May and around the same time Trivedi had left the US for India. Even on the day of the murder, Talwalkar, who lives in Mumbai, was abroad. The police claims that it has come across strong evidence that the killing was executed by a group of Swadhyayis from Saurashtra and that it was very close to zeroing on a prominent Swadhyayi of Saurashtra.

Investigations have revealed that some Swadhyayis from Saurashtra had used base ball bats while attacking a rebel in the past.
It has also been found that Talwalkar had a long telephonic conversation from London with a close confident in Ahmedabad soon after Trivedi was murdered. The police summoned around 25 members of the Parivar for questioning. A reward of Rs 1 lakh to any one providing clues about the killers has been announced. The whispers regarding misuse of funds had started doing rounds towards the tail end of Athavale's life after he anointed Talwalkar, his niece, as his spiritual successor six years ago. The step put Talwalkar in charge of funds and property worth nearly Rs 1,000 crore attached to more than 30 trusts set up by Athavale and his followers.

A rebel group of Athavale's followers had already begun questioning his decision to anoint the controversial Talwalkar. The first thing she did after becoming head of the movement was to remove some old and reliable trustees from several cash-rich trusts she inherited. This, they had claimed, was in contravention to what Athavale had preached all his life. The struggle had also begun drifting into physical violence at that time. With Trivedi's murder the rebels have got another reason to point an accusing finger at the Swadhyay leadership.


The Parivar has to come clean on many issues. Like for instance, its possession of Bhavnirjar complex, a 34-acre government land in Ahmedabad valued around Rs 300 to 400 crore. The lease terms on which the land was granted to the Parivar expired four years ago and the government has not renewed it as the Parivar had violated several lease conditions.

Known for her opulent lifestyle, Talwalkar has under her control many trusts like Tatvagan Vidyapith, Sanskruti Vistarak Sangh and Gyan Vistarak Sangh, which get donations from devotess all over the world. She is known to be fond of expensive sarees and perfumes, something hardly beftting the head of a socio-religious movement which preaches simplicity and harmony.

Trivedi had collected documents regarding alleged misuse of funds meant for the victims of Gujarat earthquake and even written letters to various authorities about it. He had filed a complaint with the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India pointing out accounting irregularities in the trusts and accusing the auditor of helping the trustees in money laundering. The Institute had admitted the complaint.

In 2002, when the loyalists closed the Temple of Lord Yogeshwar located in the Bhavnirjhar complex of the Swadhyay Parivar in Ahmedabad in the name of threat from terrorists, Trivedi had gone to the high court and forced the loyalists to open it. The Parivar countered by getting their rural supporters to file criminal complaints against him. However, Trivedi filed a petition in the high court which quashed all the complaints. Later the Supreme Court also rejected their pleas. Interestingly of the 25 people police has interrogated so far, many were those who had filed false criminal complaints against Trivedi even though they didn't know him. "We will probe on whose behest these complaints were filed by people who didn't even know him," N.K. Rathod, a police official.

In the US too, Trivedi was constantly harassed. In a letter written to an official of the US Secret Service (USS) as late as on May 19, 2006, Trivedi had complained that he was harassed by a team of officials of the USS on false charges that he was a threat to President George Bush. It was the handiwork of the powerful supporters of Talwalkar in the US, he had alleged demanding security cover in the US since he perceived physical threat from Talwalkar and her supporters. He had also sought a probe into the false complaint against him. Echoeing the 2004 letter to Modi, he had written, "If anything happens to me or my family JayshreeTalwalkar and her husband Srinivas Talwalkar should be held responsible." N.R. Sheth, former director of the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad, a former admirer of the Swadhyay movement who had planned a book to portray the Swadhyay movement as an alternative to socialism and capitalism, says, "Talwalkar should take full responsibility for Trivedi's murder in the light of the evidence that has surfaced so far. Trivedi was a selfless moral crusader who had brought before the people at large the questionable facts about those who run the Swadhyay movement. He was a thorn in the path of Talwalkar and her supporters." "In Trivedi's killing there is a message for all of us which warns us that if we don't keep quiet we will pay with our lives," says Jagdish Shah, a businessman who joined hands with Trivedi against Talwalkar. However, Dr Rajesh Parikh, a supporter of Didi in Ahmedabad, says, "No member of the Swadhyay movement can ever imagine committing such an act. We sympathise with Trivedi's family and supporters and implore the police to trace the killers to clear this atmosphere of mistrust." Regarding the charges of irregularities that Trivedi had repeatedly made, Parikh says, "These were motivated and totally false."


A large advertisement eugolising the Swadhyay Parivar's role in moral upliftment of the society, Talwalkar's great contribution in it and underlining the innocence of the loyalmember of the Swadhyay movement can ever imagine committing such an act. We sympathise with Trivedi's family and supporters and implore the police to trace the killers to clear this atmosphere of mistrust." Regarding the charges of irregularities that Trivedi had repeatedly made, Parikh says, "These were motivated and totally false." Trivedi's murder has again brought into sharp focus the issue of drift in religious movements after attainment of spiritual height and popularity.

This is a great article by Uday Mahurkar, it was written before the police made the arrest. However, it was no secret who killed Pankajbhai from the moment the news came out. Only question was, would the police and government look the other way like before or they will pursue the criminal elements in our society. We are still waiting the answers three years later. - Vijay Mehta


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DAY expenses for Children's Camps
Post by An observer on Jul 13th, 2006, 4:25pm

Upon looking at the IRS returns posted here one interesting fact came into light - DAY officers showed children's camp expenses for the year 2001, 2002 to be between $500,000 to $700,000 almost every year does small budget children's camps every year costed that much eventhough they collected money for every camp from each participants!!! Wow!!! rolleyes
I hope this money is not diverted somewhere else... go ask for the facts from your so called MO(KHO)TABHAIs!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:45pm

yes, DAY collects actuals for all major activities like BSK camp, youth camp and Thanks Giving Milan. None of these should have been represented as NET expense
Re: DAY expenses for Children's Camps
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:48pm

FYI...just so we have our facts straight

The camps cost around 400-500 per head for two weeks, which actually is extremely reasonable in terms of sleepaway camps (which can run thousands per week at some places). All facilities fees, food (three meals plus snacks), field trips to amusement parks with transportation, were all included.

What was impressive to me was that they were also pretty good about sending a refund for "excess" back to each camper's parent at the end of camp. Not sure if they still do that.

Did they subsidize the cost of camp from the Bhav Samarpans?


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Unbelievable on Jul 13th, 2006, 5:53pm

Actually, come to think of it

$500 x 1000 kids is half a million dollars.
Seems reasonable...

Vijay, you brought up another good point.... I understood that Matsyagandha and Yogeshwar Krushi involved individuals donating their particular skills for God. Finances aside, it makes sense.

From that, how does Swadhyayee business executives, doctors, and computer software engineers selling Firecrackers and Rakhis tap into this efficiency? What were we trying to prove? Never really got it....

It would be if all the participants came for free. But they do pay registration fee along with each kendra contributing and volunteers providing services- Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Paying Tribute to Pankajbhai on Jul 13th, 2006, 6:03pm

N.R. Sheth, former director of the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad, a former admirer of the Swadhyay movement who had planned a book to portray the Swadhyay movement as an alternative to socialism and capitalism, says, "Talwalkar should take full responsibility for Trivedi's murder in the light of the evidence that has surfaced so far. Trivedi was a selfless moral crusader who had brought before the people at large the questionable facts about those who run the Swadhyay movement. He was a thorn in the path of Talwalkar and her supporters." "In Trivedi's killing there is a message for all of us which warns us that if we don't keep quiet we will pay with our lives," says Jagdish Shah, a businessman who joined hands with Trivedi against Talwalkar.

Pankajbhai, we will always remember you as a selfless moral crusader and you epitomized best in all of us.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 13th, 2006, 6:52pm

The web site gives the tax returns for year 1998 to 2001. Does any one has tax returer of 2003, 2003, 2004 and 2005?
2001 Tax return lists the following as Officers in Part V.
Dr. Amrutlal J. Barot, as President
126 Sleepy point Road
Suffolk, VA

Dilipkumar I. Patel, Secretary
15906 Stonehaven, Houstn, Texas

Harihar V. Patel, Treasurer, He signed the tax return
187 Oak Mill Street, Addison, Illinois

Address of the Non Profit corporation is
Devotional Associates of Yogeswar
1675 Brittany Lane
Hoffman Estates, IL 60195

Some one mentioned it is the address of Mr. Desai?
Who are the currrent officers? E.I. Number is 36-3049407. Thanks.




Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 7:15pm

Read Divya Bhaskar...

http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/newsfromgujarat/newsfromahmedabad/ahmedabadnews_15.asp

I noticed something very interesting in this news item. Police is saying the owners of Tata Sumo and Maruti Van may be used as a " witness" if their direct involvement is not found.

I wonder how credible/trustworthy these witnesses will be.

Also on one hand police is saying that investigation is almost over and they have solved the case but issued a summons to Mahadev Mangle but not Jayshree Talwalkar.

What can we make of this?

grin
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 13th, 2006, 7:58pm


N.R. Sheth, former director of the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad, a former admirer of the Swadhyay movement who had planned a book to portray the Swadhyay movement as an alternative to socialism and capitalism, says, "Talwalkar should take full responsibility for Trivedi's murder in the light of the evidence that has surfaced so far. Trivedi was a selfless moral crusader who had brought before the people at large the questionable facts about those who run the Swadhyay movement. He was a thorn in the path of Talwalkar and her supporters."

CAN SOMEONE FORWARD THE LINK TO THIS DISCUSSION TO MR N.R. Sheth, former director of the Indian Institute of Management, Ahmedabad

IF POSSIBLE INVITE HIM TO DISCUSS WITH US, SO HE CAN ANSWER FEW QUESTIONS HERE TOO.

- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:00pm

Ravibhai,

We are all waiting eagerly for your next video on " lav-feri".

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:07pm

Here is an FAQ page from IRS website.....

Disaster Relief FAQ # A-6

What kind of records must a charity maintain to document its relief activities?

An organization must maintain adequate records that show the amounts paid, the purpose of the payments, and information to establish that distributions were made to meet charitable purposes and victims’ needs. Documentation should include:

a complete description of the assistance
cost of the assistance
the purpose for which the assistance was given
the charity's objective criteria for disbursing assistance under each program
how the recipients were selected
the name, address, and amount distributed to each recipient (but see below regarding short-term emergency assistance)
any relationship between the recipient and officers, directors, or key employees of or substantial contributors to the organization
the composition of the selection committee approving assistance
A charitable organization that is distributing short-term emergency assistance should maintain the documentation noted above except for records of the name, address, and amount distributed to each recipient. Instead, organizations providing short-term emergency assistance should maintain records that describe the date, place, and estimated number of victims assisted. Examples of such short-term emergency aid would include blankets, hot meals, crisis shelter, electric fans, coats, hats, and gloves.

DAY would be in violation if funds were collected for Earthquake relief and not accounted in above manner

Re: Secret of prosperity - Swadhyay way
Post by Independent Observer on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:18pm

Dear Vijaybhai,

Before you write messages - it may be worthwhile for you to do some fact varifications.

There was no such program as 'Sheet Vandana' much less on Oct 19, 2000.

Gujju reporters are not particularly known for thorough research before they write not sure if you just want to rely on them
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:19pm

Ravibhai made a very good suggestion about inviting N.R. Sheth on this forum. I would like to take it to one step forward. How about having a video conference or we ask them questions via emails and when they answer those questions, someone video tape it and post in on youtube website.

Any thoughts?

cheesy
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 9:59pm

found 3 EO's with word Yogeshwar on GuideStar site - so its not just in India, even here there may be more trusts to manage LAV SAMARPAN

GuideStar Basic Results
(3 organizations found)
Refine Search | New Search
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Search Criteria: yogeshwar
Devotional Associates of Yogeshwar
San Jose, CA 95135
Contributions are deductible, as provided by law
NTEE Code: X70 (Hindu)
Devotional Associates of Yogeshwar
Hoffman Est, IL 60195
Contributions are deductible, as provided by law
A form 990 is available for this organization
NTEE Code: X70 (Hindu)
Shree Yogeshwar Charitable Foundation Inc
Kissimee, FL 34742
Contributions are deductible, as provided by law
A form 990 is available for this organization
NTEE Code: T22 (Private Independent Foundations)
Search Criteria: yogeshwar

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 13th, 2006, 10:13pm

Wow - found another Swadhyay related trust - SUBHAG

They milked more than US$ 70,000 in the name of KRUTIBHAKTI

SUBHAG USA INC
c/o Ashwin N Desai 4441 Williamsburg Court
Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

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GENERAL INFORMATION

Who We Are
Operate on a devotional cooperative basis to support charitable programs humanitarian, educational & spiritual efforts.


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This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.

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NTEE Code
T70—Fund Raising Organizations That Cross Categories includes Community Funds/Trusts and Federated Giving Programs) e.g. United Way

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Ruling Year: 1996
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MISSION AND PROGRAMS
Mission
Operate on a devotional cooperative basis to support charitable programs humanitarian, educational & spiritual efforts.

Programs
Computer classes, light inspection, packaging & assembly work 400+ people worked selflessly on a devotional cooperative basis to support charitable, humanitarian, educational efforts area to area sale of merchandise 400+ people worked selflessly on a devotional cooperative basis to support charitable, humanitarian, educational efforts. Donated $41500 in 2004 to support charitable, humanitarian & human upliftment efforts.
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FORM 990 AND EDOCS
Forms 990 from the IRS:
2004 Form 990
2003 Form 990
2001 Form 990
2000 Form 990
1999 Form 990
1998 Form 990
Additional Documents from the Organization:
None Available

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KAMAL on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:35pm

Dear Vijay Sir,

I have read your forum for last 1 month. I have read all the comments posted by you and Mr. Ravibhai & other wounded guys by swadhyayees.

I accept some of the facts about DIDI's nature what you wrote.

But some of the comments written by you about swadhyay activities and DADA are absuletly false.

Many comments itself shows that you have not deep knowledge of swadhyay. You had never tried to understand Swadhyay. that is true.

Everybody wants to satisfy their ego by whatever way.

About Asiti Vandana in News paper.......We can understand that who had written this either they dont know about swadhyay or he taken a money to print such thing.

My lovely Brothers,

I have one request to all of you that Dont become Eagle.

Because........." Gidhad Jitni bhi unchai pe ho, par Usaki Najar hamensa sade (stale) hu a mash (meat) par hi hoti hai " . There are many positive things in swadhyay, discuss that.......why only negative......


And......"Jab Gidhad ki mot aati hai to vo shahar ki aur bhagta hai"..................


And Narsinh Mehta told...."Vaishnav Jan to tene re kahiye re, Je ninda kare na koi ni re "

Dear Dr. Saheb, "Aa forum no main hetu fakt Ninda j karvano lage chhe" . Can you believe that ?

Because you are not able to do whatever you wrote here....that's why ...........

Hi Kamal,

Thanks for your comments. I am sure therea are lots of things printed in media and written are not true. Looks like you are familiar with Swadhyay activities.

1. Is this true that chairs, clothes for tal patri, sweet, fire crackers and kite are sold?
2. If they are sold don't you think there is a possibility that someone can put profit in their pocket and bills can be paid by trust?
3. If the money raised by selling chair etc was deposited in trust fund it should show as income right?
4. Do you think if someone sells plastic chair for 280 to 360 rupees and gets is from store at half the price - is this Dharma. or do you think we are taking advantage of the "bhakti' people have and making money?
5. You are right when "Gidhadh ki maut aati hain to Waghriwad jaati hain" Can this apply to Bharat bhai and other leaders who committed blunder by getting assotiated with the heinous crime?
6. If you have concrete stories about how Swadhyay is great and I am sure it is, I encourage to post it, rather than name calling.
7. According to Income tax return they had 500,000 dollars for children camp. But according to parents they stayed in college dorms, fed indian food cooked by volunteers and parents paid for the camp and additional money was raised from kendras. Volunteers provided their services for free. Than how come nearly 300 - 500 dollar per child expense on income tax return?
Thank you for participating in debate.
One more time the purpose is not to destroy Swadhyay but to reform it. I personally know so many Swadhyayee that I have tremendous respect for. They are a group of devoted and dedicated human beings. The forum is to expose truth.. and if that leads us to some dirty laundry we shall wash it, rather than hide it. Only after you acknowledge you have a problem you can fix it. What has happened is definitely wrong. No real swadhyayee can stand for
Murder of Pankajbhai.
Assult of many others.
Taking money for earthquake and not using it.
Using every event in Swadhyay for making money - this is not a corporation for making money but it is a Parivar who collectively create wealth to be used for Humanatarian purpose (not for Athavale family few chosen motabhais)
- Vijay Mehta









Filing with charity commissioner in UK
Post by IRH on Jul 14th, 2006, 04:10am

Documents from UK Charity Commission filing.
- Vijay Mehta


http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showcharity.asp?regno=280019&submit=Run+Search

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 04:55am

on Jul 13th, 2006, 11:35pm, Guest-KAMAL wrote:
Dear Vijay Sir,

I have read your forum for last 1 month. I have read all the comments posted by you and Mr. Ravibhai & other wounded guys by swadhyayees.

I accept some of the facts about DIDI's nature what you wrote.

But some of the comments written by you about swadhyay activities and DADA are absuletly false.

Many comments itself shows that you have not deep knowledge of swadhyay. You had never tried to understand Swadhyay. that is true.

Everybody wants to satisfy their ego by whatever way.

About Asiti Vandana in News paper.......We can understand that who had written this either they dont know about swadhyay or he taken a money to print such thing.

My lovely Brothers,

I have one request to all of you that Dont become Eagle.

Because........." Gidhad Jitni bhi unchai pe ho, par Usaki Najar hamensa sade (stale) hu a mash (meat) par hi hoti hai " . There are many positive things in swadhyay, discuss that.......why only negative......


And......"Jab Gidhad ki mot aati hai to vo shahar ki aur bhagta hai"..................


And Narsinh Mehta told...."Vaishnav Jan to tene re kahiye re, Je ninda kare na koi ni re "

Dear Dr. Saheb, "Aa forum no main hetu fakt Ninda j karvano lage chhe" . Can you believe that ?

Because you are not able to do whatever you wrote here....that's why ...........

My lovely Brothers,

I have one request to all of you that Dont become Eagle.

Because........." Gidhad Jitni bhi unchai pe ho, par Usaki Najar hamensa sade (stale) hu a mash (meat) par hi hoti hai " . There are many positive things in swadhyay, discuss that.......why only negative......
Kamalbhai, We only looked at positive thing about swadhyay till the date and never dare to talk or speak out in front of other swadhyayi. Even if you spoke it was worthless, We were always been kept in illusion, even Dada himself use to say "waato to aa logo karee jamne kaam na karvu hoi" He always tried to supress people's views and ideas and made them like a Robot, who ever spoke was either portrait as EVIL or enemy of society. If expression of ideas were freely allowed in swadhyay, Pankajbhai would be alive today, Bharat Bhatt and the gang would not be in Jail and no one including me would dare to say a word against swadhyay movement. Sade (stale) hu a mash (meat) did you mean to say swadhyayi who are stale! or the whole swadhyay parivar?. Even if you cant see the truth after pankajbhai's death and the guys involved, there is no othe way to explain you.


And......"Jab Gidhad ki mot aati hai to vo shahar ki aur bhagta hai"..................
Aur jaab DIDI ki mot aati hain to woh Pankajbhai ka Khun karvati hain?


And Narsinh Mehta told...."Vaishnav Jan to tene re kahiye re, Je ninda kare na koi ni re "

This is what Narsinh Mehta told........ vaishNav jan to tene kahiye je
piid paraayii jaaNe re
........... He who knows the troubles of others is a true "Vaishnav" (by which
the poet implies the perfect human being... open your eyes and try to know the trouble of Mr. Pankajbhai's family, and I am 90% sure no one in your house of family ever tried to fight for truth.... "kutri (female dog) na bol ma waagh (tiger) na bachiya na peda thai".... The problem is Some people take the path that is easiest to trod. They make no effort to fight for the Truth)...... here is the link to the BHAJAN please read it http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~navin/india/songs/isongs/3/359.html



Dear Dr. Saheb, "Aa forum no main hetu fakt Ninda j karvano lage chhe" . Can you believe that ?
saru lakhva javu kashu baki rakhyu hoi to lakhya nee.... Pankaj trivedi nu mot khali ek wakti nu mot nathi kamal bhai, its death of all people who are bold and have strength to fight for the truth

Because you are not able to do whatever you wrote here....that's why ...........

Jai Shree Krishna

- Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A angry human on Jul 14th, 2006, 05:10am

My dear Devipujak Yuvan and others,
I attend Swadhyaya in USA. I have not been asked to contribute any money to any activities. I go tot he Kendra and listen to the Pravachan. I read the articles on www.swadhyayee.org It is interesting to read all these.
I do have some questions which I have no answers to and I am not sure who can answer it or to whom should I ask.
But I will write them here...
1. Who pays for air tickets or transportation of "Motabhai" in the USA? I live in Michigan and our previous Motabhai used to live in California and used to come to Michigan atleast once a month. Who paid for his tickets? He was also "Motabhai" for Ohio, Kentucky and few other states. He must be goig there too.. So who paid the tickets?
2. If the truth is that there is no mishandling of funds then why not to publish the accounts information for the trusts? According to some published reports or some websites, YogeshwarKrushi helps Swadhyay to collect over 1 crore Rupee which is almost $ 250,000. If this is going on for 10 years then it is 2.5 Million US $ and that too without counting interest. This is income from only one activity. According to reports, there are over hundred trusts.. Why not Nirmal Niketan publish the list of all trusts and the assets holdingshuh
3. Why does Didi not come out and talk to media and investigators? If you are innocent then you do not have to worry. But then if there is so much smoke then there must be something there.. too....
I agree it was and is a noble idea on which this activity was started.. But lately I feel it has strayed fromits original intended path. In Florida where I used to live before, a question was asked to my son who was 15 then.. He was asked whom does the Yogeshwar love more? Dada or Arjun and then the Sanchalak went on to prove that Yogeshwar (Krishna Bhagawan) loves Dada more because God had to give direction to Arjun to do right and to make him understand and make him realize to follow the God but Dada followed the path on his own.. Now that is too much..
I have heard many times that Dada is a recarnation of the Vishnu Bhagawan and he is the 10th Avatar... who was to come to save the humanity..
Also I had asked why do we put Dada's picture in line with the God? (That question was asked when he was well and alive) and I was answered that because he is a Guru and Guru is equivalent to the God.

I hope the truth comes out and this mud slinging stops....

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 05:11am

The truth is most of the Swadhyayi are like RAVAN they are always chanting HOLY verses, but doing the act of SITA HARAN ........ aab RAM hi janee kya hoga anzam tera!

ITS NOT IMPORTAND HOW MUCH YOU EAT (to know about Vedas and Gita) , ITS IMPORTAND HOW MUCH YOU DIGEST (will you fight for truth or have guts to do so?).

- Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by BRAINWASHED on Jul 14th, 2006, 05:14am

KAMAL,

Why are you keep coming back to this forum if you don't want to read the truth about Swadhyay?

We know what is RIGHT and what is WRONG, unlike you.

The word EGO had been used by Dada and his puppets for so long for whoever oppose or ask anything. This is a very old tactic to hide the truth and label your opponents as egoistic.

We now know EXACTLY what Swadhyay is ALL ABOUT and why IT HAD FAILED in its claim of Human-Upliftment. In fact Didi only cares about her continued Financial-Upliftment and expansion of Swadhyay so she can use the money to BUY politiicans, cops and other officers. She wants to expand Swadhyay so she can use the BLIND FOLLOWERS like yourself as a "Vote Bank".

Kamal, are you changing your name againhuhhuhhuh

Bahot Pahle se Un kadamo Kin Aahat Jan Lete Hai...

Tuje Aei Trueswadhyayi1 hum door se Pehchan Lete Hai......

Go fly a kite and Take care..............
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 14th, 2006, 05:20am

Khavu (to eat) is human's PRAKRUTI....

Khavdavavu (to offer food to someone) is SANSKRUTI...This applies to some humanatarian organizations doing noble charity work for pooe people.

KOI NU KHAI JAVU ( to steal someone else's food) is VIKRUTI.....Swadhyay falls into this category.

wink
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Kamal on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:08am

What is soultion of that, only, do swadhyay......

I never stop to do swadhyay even after DIDI arrested and go to jail. I dont care........

I concentrate only in Lord Krishna and my family member. I love Krishna and holy book Gita.

I am too much selffish............

Kamal you must be the very first Swadhyayee to admit if didi goes to jail! Looks like you are getting some light after all. Once you dissociate yourself from criminal leaders you will be OK. - Vijay Mehta
Time pass
Post by kamal on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:15am

Dear Ravi,

I am doing with this forum same as what you are doing .....only time pass...........

because , neither you or I can do anything. Didi never give up her position if we shout from Internet because You guys all from USA and DIDI in India.

Let us left everything to god.....he will judge what to do ............






Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:28am

Dear kamal
Nobody stops you continue Swadhyay i dont think in this forum any one opposes Swadhyay but all are apreciates right swadhyay ; you your self telling that "even didi goes to jail i dont care" why you have a feeling that Didi will goes to jail? because you know her since 4years. thats fine
in 1990 people feel that to talk againist Swadhyay is a sin and now also if you talk any thing againist swadhyay is a sin; but Swadhyay leadership to take care that the charm and pavtrata to be maintained but some how it failed drastiacally.
then there are two choices one either you stay as a blind follower or react as a real swadhyayee
so, what you will prefer??
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:33am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:02am, Guest-Kamal wrote:
Hi Ravibhai,

I am only passing my time with this forum.

By your statement, there may not any effect on me.

I know everything about DIDI for 4 years. I have full faith in God. There were many incident by what I might be out from swadhyay like you.

I have full faith in god that there will be good solution.

In this modern world, I seen many people who are non-swadhyayee walked on bad way. Their family are not balenced. They can not live happily.

I have many non-swadhyayee friends. I know why they denied to come in swadhyay. Because of their bad habits like Smoking, Afair with girls, drinking, went to the prostitute etc. etc. They afraid to come with such character.

I know some person who stoped to come in swadhyay only because they diverted his life to above mentioned habits.(at least one).

And many more people who still denied to come in swadhyay from my society. When I examined their business, I reallise that they will never come in swadhyay.

Butterfly never enter to fire.

I have also many friends in USA. I know about their character. They never keep control themselft and used to go to the prostitute ( 20$ and 150$) , smoking, drinking.

I have also heard many story about Patels (owner of the Motels), their other business after business. They hire prostitute occassionally for fun.


Can you tell me is this life huhhuh........

I dont want to blame on anybody character, but this is reallity, that you know already.


Hi Ravibhai,

I am only passing my time with this forum.
ATLEAST YOU HAVE GUTS TO SEE THE TRUTH.

By your statement, there may not any effect on me.
I KNEW THAT.

I know everything about DIDI for 4 years. I have full faith in God. There were many incident by what I might be out from swadhyay like you.
I AM A TRUE SWADHYAYI, AND THIS IS RESULT OF IT. SWADHYAY IS STUDY OF ONESELF NOT KNOWING DIDI FOR 4 YEARS, THANKS GOD FOR KEEPING ME ON THE RIGHT PATH.

I have full faith in god that there will be good solution.
GOOD TO KNOW YOU HAVE FAITH IN GOD, I THOUGHT YOU ONLY HAD FAITH IN DIDI AND SHE WAS YOUR GOD.

In this modern world, I seen many people who are non-swadhyayee walked on bad way. Their family are not balenced. They can not live happily.
NON-SWADHYAYEE YOU MEAN WHO ARE NOT WITH DIDI'S BRAND OF "SWADHYAY PARIVAR"? OR WHO DO NOT EVALUATE THEIR INNER BHAGWAAN, WHO DO NOT STAND UP FOR TRUTH? SO, YOU AGREE YOU FAMILY WASNT BALANCED UNTIL YOU JOINED DIDI'S BRAND OF "SWADHYAY PARIVAR"? IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THAT I DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM, UNTIL YOU END UP IN JAIL LIKE MOTABHAI BHARAT BHATT AND THE GANG.

I have many non-swadhyayee friends. I know why they denied to come in swadhyay. Because of their bad habits like Smoking, Afair with girls, drinking, went to the prostitute etc. etc. They afraid to come with such character.
I HEARD DADAJI GOT AIDS THATS THE REASON HIS LEGS WERE CUT?? IS IT TRUE? DID HE GO TO PROSTITUTE? OR "SWADHYAY PARIVAR" IT SELF IS A BIG FAMILY OF PROSTITUITES?

I know some person who stoped to come in swadhyay only because they diverted his life to above mentioned habits.(at least one).
BECAUSE THEY REALISED THE TRUTH, THAT SO CALLED "SWADHYAY PARIVAR" IS JUST LIKE A HEARD OF SHEEPS.... THAT ONLY KNOWS TO SAY BAAAAAAAA... BAAAA

And many more people who still denied to come in swadhyay from my society. When I examined their business, I reallise that they will never come in swadhyay.
MAY BE THEY ARE TURE SWADHYAYI, NOT DHONGI LIKE DIDI.

Butterfly never enter to fire.
THEN WHO DOES?

I have also many friends in USA. I know about their character. They never keep control themselft and used to go to the prostitute ( 20$ and 150$) , smoking, drinking.
THATS THE REASON DIDI LOVES TO COME TO OUR MOTEL'S A LOT IN USA, THEN HELPING POOR AND NEEDY IN INDIA. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD.

I have also heard many story about Patels (owner of the Motels), their other business after business. They hire prostitute occassionally for fun.
SURE IF SHE IS HEALTHY LIKE DIDIJI WHY NOT PUT HER TO WORK


Can you tell me is this life ........
ASK YOUR DIDI? SORRY, NOT YOUR REAL SISTER.

I dont want to blame on anybody character, but this is reallity, that you know already.
DO YOU KNOW THE REALITY NOW?

SORRY KAMALBHAI, JUST GOT EMOTIONALLY PULLED AWAY LIKE YOU.

- RAVI PATEL

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Open Mind on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:39am

I have few questions.. I am not sure where and how can I find answers to them.. I will appreciate anyone helping me to get the answers.
1. How many trusts are there actually? When were they established? Who are the trustees? How much assetts does each trust have?
2. Why the accounts of these trusts are not shown to public?
3. I have heard a lot about Resp. Dada's trip to Japan. What is the truth?
4. How the activities in the foreign countries are funded? Who pays for them? Who pays for Didi and other people's transportation? Who pays for transportation of the Motabhai's from place to place?
5. Are some of the quotes and ideas used by Dada copied from other people? If so why do Swadhyaya people call it their unique idea?

Can anyone provide the details? Can anyone provide facts with proofshuh
Re: Time pass
Post by RAVI PATEL on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:41am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:15am, Guest-kamal wrote:
Dear Ravi,

I am doing with this forum same as what you are doing .....only time pass...........

because , neither you or I can do anything. Didi never give up her position if we shout from Internet because You guys all from USA and DIDI in India.

Let us left everything to god.....he will judge what to do ............


Dear Ravi,

I am doing with this forum same as what you are doing .....only time pass...........

KAMALBHAI, I AM NOT DOING TIMEPASS, BUT DOING DIL NI WAAT.

because , neither you or I can do anything. Didi never give up her position if we shout from Internet because You guys all from USA and DIDI in India.

YES MAY BE AS YOU SAY, NOT HERE, BUT UP THERE SHE IS HAVE NO PLACE TO SIT. I GUESS IF SHE IS TRUE SWADHYAYI SHE ALREADY KNOWS THAT BY NOW.


Let us left everything to god.....he will judge what to do ............

I GUESS WE ARE SEEING HIS JUDGEMENT, DONT YOU?

- RAVI PATEL
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Truth seeker on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:43am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:02am, Guest-Kamal wrote:
Hi Ravibhai,

I am only passing my time with this forum.

By your statement, there may not any effect on me.

I know everything about DIDI for 4 years. I have full faith in God. There were many incident by what I might be out from swadhyay like you.

I have full faith in god that there will be good solution.

In this modern world, I seen many people who are non-swadhyayee walked on bad way. Their family are not balenced. They can not live happily.

I have many non-swadhyayee friends. I know why they denied to come in swadhyay. Because of their bad habits like Smoking, Afair with girls, drinking, went to the prostitute etc. etc. They afraid to come with such character.

I know some person who stoped to come in swadhyay only because they diverted his life to above mentioned habits.(at least one).

And many more people who still denied to come in swadhyay from my society. When I examined their business, I reallise that they will never come in swadhyay.

Butterfly never enter to fire.

I have also many friends in USA. I know about their character. They never keep control themselft and used to go to the prostitute ( 20$ and 150$) , smoking, drinking.

I have also heard many story about Patels (owner of the Motels), their other business after business. They hire prostitute occassionally for fun.


Can you tell me is this life huhhuh........

I dont want to blame on anybody character, but this is reallity, that you know already.











I am a motel owner and Patel.. Who gave you a right to make a universal statement? You can not say what you said about Motel owners or Patels.. You can not generalize.. What would you feel if I generalize the whole Swadhayay Pariwar and say if one of the swadhayayee is culprit or murderer then all of them are..
If you were as intelligent as you thought you are then you will not have made such baseless absurd comments..
I feel you owe an apology.
Nothing wrong in apologizing for your mistakes

I agree. I used to be a motel owner too. The fact that Kamal is making some broad generalization shows his level of thinking. No reflection on Motel owners and Patels. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Samir Solanki on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:55am

WOW Ravi bhai,

Your statement summarize everything i am trying to explain to this so called swadhyayee...

SWADHYAY IS NOT A BRAND, ITS A WAY OF LIFE ....

What Dada and Didi did was made it a brand, do they take trademark for it?? As I already know now thay have copyright to "Yogeshwar Bhagwan" picture they are busy marketing. Nice business of selling GOD. What a cheap bastards they are... Most of the people they fooled might not even know a difference between a Trademark and a Copyright!

http://indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=60282

samir
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Truth Seeker on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:59am

Kamalbhai,
What you are suggesting is that you have been involved with Swadhaya for last 4 years.. Am I right?
Or you suggesting that you know Did personally on 1 on 1 basis for last four years?
Also, I find it difficult to read the offensive language used by Kamalbhai on his post.
What makes him think that he is a saviour?
I also have heard that it was told at meetings/Shibirs in USA in the year 2003 that swadhayayees should not mingle with other people. They should cancel all their other assignments and contacts and get fully involved in the swadhayay activities.

We salute the Guard...
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:17am

Ramesh Nathuram Vishvakarma.... A True Swadhyayi?

THE GUARD AT ELISBRIDGE CLUB IDENTIFIES EVERYONE INVOLVED IN KILLING OF MR. PANKAJ TRIVEDI IN FRONT OF MAMLATDAR. A BRAVE MEN Ramesh Nathuram Vishvakarma

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- RAVI PATE

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Guest on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:20am

True - message given was that 'HAR SHAM DADA KE NAAM' forget everything else and dedicate EVERY evening to DADA'S work

Even for attending recent Archirayan in India, folks were told - JUST BUY TICKET FIRST AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FALL IN PLACE

DON'T WORRY ABOUT FAMILY - THEY CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOU

DON'T WORRY ABOUT YOUR MANAGER - IT IS NOT HE WHO GIVES YOU THE JOB IT IS YOGESHWAR BHAGWAAN

DO OVERTIME OR WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SAVE FOR THIS TRIP - EVEN IF IT MEANS YOU HAVE TO SKIP ANY AND ALL ACTIVITIES

THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO BE WITH DADA - IF I AM CONNECTED WITH DADA I MUST GO

Probably someone forgot that Dada's Ashes were brought to US and all had paid their respects then


Re: We salute the Guard...
Post by samir solanki on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:29am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:17am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
Ramesh Nathuram Vishvakarma.... A True Swadhyayi?

THE GUARD AT ELISBRIDGE CLUB IDENTIFIES EVERYONE INVOLVED IN KILLING OF MR. PANKAJ TRIVEDI IN FRONT OF MAMLATDAR. A BRAVE MEN Ramesh Nathuram Vishvakarma

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- RAVI PATE

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com


If you are a press reporter reading this,we need you to write few good words on this courageous and brave man Ramesh Nathuram Vishvakarma. can you print a photo of him too. we are tired of seeing criminals in news!

samir
Re: We salute the Guard...
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:50am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:29am, Guest-samir solanki wrote:
If you are a press reporter reading this,we need you to write few good words on this courageous and brave man Ramesh Nathuram Vishvakarma. can you print a photo of him too. we are tired of seeing criminals in news!

samir


Please dont print his photo, I dont think he wants to get assualted by low life people.
Re: We salute the Guard...
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:07am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 07:50am, Guest-the irish robin hood wrote:
Please dont print his photo, I dont think he wants to get assualted by low life people.


If he was worried about being assualted, he would have not identified those killers, and by the name he goes he seems to be BHIYYA from Uttar Pradesh. And bhiyya's are not afraid of didi's .... the company he works for Panther Security is capable of handling Didi's mafia followers.

Again God Bless him and his family.

- Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com

Re: We salute the Guard...
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:12am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:07am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
If he was worried about being assualted, he would have not identified those killers, and by the name he goes he seems to be BHIYYA from Uttar Pradesh. And bhiyya's are not afraid of didi's .... the company he works for Panther Security is capable of handling Didi's mafia followers.

Again God Bless him and his family.

- Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com


are you implying that all of didis (swadyahy) followers are the mafia.

A Very strange claim to make from someone who claims to be impartial. Theres no bias in that sort of comment is there ?


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by M Makwana on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:20am

BTW, where is Jayshreee? Too chuppi hai kanhahuh Swadhyayis tadpate yanha
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by KING on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:20am

Bharat Bhatt revealed more names of people with involvement from BOMBAY. Read AKILA.

It would be better if some one can copy and paste it here. For some reason, I can not do that.

http://www.akilaindia.com/1407/news_html/main19.html
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Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:27am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 06:43am, Guest-Truth seeker wrote:
I agree. I used to be a motel owner too. The fact that Kamal is making some broad generalization shows his level of thinking. No reflection on Motel owners and Patels. - Vijay Mehta


But there also been some broad generalization of the followers of Swadyahay..... getting confused now huh

Get unconfused..
Vast majority of Swadhyayee are good people, doing what they think is God's work. Unforutnately they trusted the Dada and Didi so much they never questioned them.
Some (Very few Motabhais) and Didi found a way to become rich from these trusting Swadhyayee so they hijacked the operation.
Pankajbhai and party were commited to expose fraud.
Just like in Mafia .. you come when you want to but you do not leave until we let u leave. Any insider wanted to get out was at risk. This created intimidation and fear. I am sure many of those motabhais knew there was something wrong but dare not speak up or else get in trouble.
Now that game is exposed .. it is a matter of time when more people come out and tell the truth.
Nothing confusing about this my brother.
For centuries smart ones have figured out how to milk the others. Only thing is there they did under the name of Yogeswar - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mahesh Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 08:35am

All the swadhyayees must answer the following questionshuh? In order to prosper, you must look both sides…positive and negative….. you can only eliminate the negative side, if you look at negative side ….but if you keep ignoring the negative side then it will not help you. Have you ever tried to ask the questions to DIDI and Motabhaishuh They will not answer it but they will say that “people are falsely accusing them… If you are true then why don’t you come out and answer the following questionshuh??

1) DIDI wrote love letter to Ajay Joshi and she is saying that it was a drama project for Swadhayay. Ok. Let’s say it was a Drama Project for Swadhaya…then tell me what kind of project it was that required to write Love Letterhuh If it was a project why was Rao saheb name written in that love letterhuh If DIDI has guts to
2) Swadhyay Pariwar collected Carors of Ruppes from USA and UK to built houses in Earthquake Prone Region in Gujarat / Kutch. First, Swadhyay Pariwar said that they have built 40 Thousand Houses and later they said that they built 4 thousand houses. Then again they said they have distributed some stuff to built houses. If they have realy built any house why it doesn’t show in Gujarat Government Reporthuh Why it doesn’t show in Kutch Collector’s office report?? They said that it was noted by United Nations Reports. But, United Nations says what ever Swadhyay’s motabhai told them. If they have built any houses then why don’t they show the bills, where they spend the moneyhuh
3) Swadhyay Pariwar says that DADA has never asked for any helphuh Well, DADA requested government to give Bhavnirzer Land for lease?? Why dada had to go to government and request for 250 carors land for lease of Ruppees 5huh? Isn’t that if you get multi carors rupees thing just for five rupees considered as getting it freehuh? Yes, Dada has got land for free from Gujarat Government. And DADA claims in GITA SANDESH …”do not get anything for free”. Yet DADA is getting stuff for free.
4) Swadhyay Pariwar says that DADA never ran for any FAME (Kirti)…wow…. What a big lie?? You know in order to get Award like Magsasay and other you have to do lobbing and you have to claim that you have done such and such work so you can get the award. If DADA has not ran for fame why he had to do lobbing and claim that he has done some work in order to get Awardhuh
5) Yogeswar krushi and all other project, money were collected and 2/3 of its part were send to Mumbai and never used. All those money were put in bank and only DIDI and Her Husband authorize to use those money. These are poor people’s money and it will bother DIDI and whole Swadhyay Pariwar a lot, if it is not used correctly. Swadhyay Pariwar says that this money are used for upliftment of the villages ….if this is true then why don’t you show me atleast 10 villages were these money has made a big difference…. If money are used properly then it should have made the difference in lots of village since these money are collected for more than 40 years.
6) After Pankaj Trivedi’s Murdar ….Swadhyay Pariwar was saying that Swadhyay Pariwar can not be involved in such act and they are blamed for wrong reason. Now you can see that who are involvedhuh No. 2 in Swadhayay..Bharat Bhatt is involved in this case and All who murdered Pankaj Trivedi were Swadhyayees. So you can see all Swadhyay Pariwar does is to lie …lie ….lie and lie.
7) All other cases Vinu Sanchani, Satish Rudhani and Mahesh Bhatt’s cases …who were involvedhuh? Swadhyayees….
8) You can see Bharat Bhatt and other Swadhyayees ..who are involved in various cases are Swadhyayees for more than 20 and some are 30 years with Swadhyay…if Swadhyay Pariwar is saying that they are making men a better human being then if people like Bharat Bhatt who are in Swadhyay for more then 30 years …why they are involved in Murder Casehuh May be murders are called better human beings in Swadhyay.
9) Swadhyay Pariwar says that they do not blame and counter blame….Again lie… Who filed court cases against Pankaj Trivedi…more than 17 cases were filed by Swadhyayees against Pankaj Trivedihuh May be this is not blaming but this is completely harassing a good human being like Pankaj Trivedi.
10) All old Swadhyayees like Mahesh Bhatt and Pankaj Trivedi were kicked out from Swadhyay because they were raising questions about Swadhyay’s wrong doings… they were kicked out from Swadhyay by saying that Pankaj Trivedi and others were looking for money from Swadhyay and looking for SATTA. Isn’t that opposite… DIDI is looking for Money and SATTA. That is completely true that DIDI is looking for Poor Farmers and Poor Fishermen’s money for her luxurious life. If DIDI is hard working then why she is getting fat and fat ..day by day….may be she is doing hard work of getting into run for “Heaviest person in the world championship”… isn’t there any championship like that …make one and DIDI will be the winner…

I have many more questions for Swadhyayees…but I guess these are enough to prove them wrong. “Swadhyay is a Dangerous Cult”

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Sunil on Jul 14th, 2006, 09:29am

To OPEN MIND
Some of the books copied by DADA are

Hindunche Samaj Rachna Shastra By G.M. Joshi.

Geeta tatwa Vimarsh By S.M.Mate

Geeta Purusharth Prabodini By S.D.Satawalekar

Lots of material copied from the books of a vary famous Marati writer & orator Balshastri Hardas.
The modus operandi was DADA will read in Marathi
talk in Hindi & publish in Gujarathi then once the dust settles translate it to Hindi or marathi.

Many of the books are written by Haribhai Kothari.
have you ever heard DADA giving a pravachana in English ( without reading) if not why?

Was he learned enough to guide/ teach Philosophy in USA ? When one of the Prof. asked DADA about Existancialisam he was dumbfound.

Regarding Japan you can read on Swadhyayee.org.
Whatever written there is true & can be substaciated.

Even the Tatwadnyan Vidyapeeth is built on a donated land & by donated money,do not go by what SP talks about Radha Krisnan's visit & bla blas.All are fabricated stories.Can any SP member show me any thing written by Radhakrishnan,Vinoba,Mr.Compton etc. if not why?

The original name of T.V. was G.P.Sonawala Resedential
College & in its pamphlet it is written that expenses of this college are met with voluntary donations. A classic
example of indicative demand & inducement for donation. (Ayachawrata as defined By DADA & believed by many)

The earlier you understand the true nature of DADA the better is your future.Just do one thing ,think opposite to what DADA preached & you will find that he behaved like that.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by the irish robin hood on Jul 14th, 2006, 09:56am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 09:37am, Guest-M Makwana wrote:
But not when they are in jail. grin


Well if you were in her postion, would you add further fuel to the media $hit storm that she is facing.

The last thing she would want is pictures of her near a jail or police station. Best thing is to wait out the storm and then blame it on a rouge element. Say she was sorry for the death and for all the families involved. then say its Time to move on and carry on gods work.

Let the healing process begin. etc etc.

If she is involved she will be praying that those in jail have an accident thuse keeping their voices silent forver. Or if she part of some sort of mafia, the families of those accused will have a freindly visit in the near future.

The motabhais will keep a tighter control on all kendras and divert everyone attention as much as possible, by focusing on the positive aspects and what the kendra has achived.

Its all about damage control from now on .

If I were in her place and if I were innocent of all the charges of financial mismanagement and violence. I would grab this oppertunity to discuss the accomplishment of my Parivar and put on my website all the pictures of houses I built, and account for all the money used for God's work. I would even go and support my followers who might have done wrong thing out of loyalty to me. They do need my spiritual support now more than ever. I would go and talk to their families too.
This could be great recruiting tool for Swadhyay - lot of people who had no idea about Swadhyay are now finding out about it. As a matter of fact I learned more good things about Swadhyay Parivar in last one month than all my life.
But this is
If I were innocent of involvement in violence and if there was no financial mismanagement!!
- Vijay Mehta

Was DADA a Bhagwan or Inshan ?
Post by Guest on Jul 14th, 2006, 10:23am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 09:29am, Sunil wrote:
To OPEN MIND
Some of the books copied by DADA are

Hindunche Samaj Rachna Shastra By G.M. Joshi.

Geeta tatwa Vimarsh By S.M.Mate

Geeta Purusharth Prabodini By S.D.Satawalekar

Lots of material copied from the books of a vary famous Marati writer & orator Balshastri Hardas.
The modus operandi was DADA will read in Marathi
talk in Hindi & publish in Gujarathi then once the dust settles translate it to Hindi or marathi.

Many of the books are written by Haribhai Kothari.
have you ever heard DADA giving a pravachana in English ( without reading) if not why?

Was he learned enough to guide/ teach Philosophy in USA ? When one of the Prof. asked DADA about Existancialisam he was dumbfound.

Regarding Japan you can read on Swadhyayee.org.
Whatever written there is true & can be substaciated.

Even the Tatwadnyan Vidyapeeth is built on a donated land & by donated money,do not go by what SP talks about Radha Krisnan's visit & bla blas.All are fabricated stories.Can any SP member show me any thing written by Radhakrishnan,Vinoba,Mr.Compton etc. if not why?

The original name of T.V. was G.P.Sonawala Resedential
College & in its pamphlet it is written that expenses of this college are met with voluntary donations. A classic
example of indicative demand & inducement for donation. (Ayachawrata as defined By DADA & believed by many)

The earlier you understand the true nature of DADA the better is your future.Just do one thing ,think opposite to what DADA preached & you will find that he behaved like that.


What is the point of trying to discredit Dada? The ideas that Dada presented in one place were / are still revolutionary. Everything he taught was already in the Geeta, Vedas, Upanishads - none of it was original.. BUT.. how he taught it and was able to make it catch on fire around the world with people like us was magical. My life is better for it, and I owe it to him, lies or not. (that does not make me a party to whatever you speculate).

However, that does not change the fact that there is a lot wrong with the Parivar's governing structure now... it can and should be solved, but not at the expense of Swadhyay's thought and contribution to society.

I used to think just like you. Dada is gone and what is the point of discrediting him?
However, someone in earlier post explained that unless you see the whole scheme from very begining you can not see the truth.
There are lots of projects DADA initiated that attracted millions of followers were done under the assumption that DADA being trustworthy would use all the wealth for those who are in need, DADA has no personal attachment etc. Now that we find out that the true story may be different.
Didi and other staunch supporters are using the respect for DADA as the weapon against those who wish to question. DADA was an AVATAR so we can not question him.
If DADA was an AVATAR he would not have written script of his life to lose the legs to the amputaion, run the heart with pacemaker, lose the brain power before the body etc. He would not have written a script where his followers like Bharat Bhatt will be in Jail.
We have to first recognize that DADA was highly intelligent and wonderful orator and motivator. He knew how to get masses to rise to higher lever. But at the end of the day he was HUMAN - just like others he may have few flaws.
Until you accept this Didi will use DADA's name to cover up all ther doing - after all she has genes from DADA and DADA appointed her to position. - Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Karan on Jul 14th, 2006, 10:43am

Dear Sunil,
I heard that "Trikal Sandhya" is the part of Gayathri.
But Gayathri means Gayathri Ramayana, a guiding principle for Ramayan and Mahabharata. Maharshi Valmiki starts with the first syllable of the Gayatri Mantra and the 24 letters interspers the 24,000 versus and this was sung by Luv & Kush.

If its true it was never mentioned in any shibir that "TRIKAL SANDHYA" is the part of Gayathri and it was told by Valmiki that to pray three times in a day.

Is it true? I want to know any one in the forum can clarify this? , because Dada pravachan is there "Valmiki Ramayana Dharshan" but it was never mentioned!!!!!
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 14th, 2006, 10:56am

The police investigation has reached upto Motabhai Bharat Bhatt, Manish Saswani etc. Itmust go all the way to the top and expose wherever it leads to?

It also appears that there is corruption or favoritism involved at highest level. This is believed due to following related news.

1. Mr. Adwani central figure of BJP Delhi called Mr. Narendra Modi, CM of Gujrat State, to review and approve the lease of Bhav Nirzar?

2. Why no regulatory agency took any steps and Pankaj Trivedi has to give his life to expose the truth.

3. Operation modum of Messrs, Bharat Bhatt,Ghanshyam Chudasama, Manish Sasvani and all associates was such that they believed that they can get anything done in government and they were beyond he law. It was stated some where that Bharat Bhatt has connection with all current ministers and if you want o get anything done contact Mr. Bharat Bhatt.

4. How can man of such caliber plan murder under direct rule of Government which is in Amdavad?

5. Why they afraid to arrest and question Mrs. Dhanshree Talvalkar ( Also known as Didi) ? If she has the truth why is she hiding?

6. We have more than adequate exchange of views and now the matter goes to the court?

7. To explore and expose the truth Vijaybhai we should start talking about what questions should be asked to all accused by the prosecutors and what questions must be put forth before the related corrupt ministers and government officers?

8. Remember that Defendants hired some of the top notch team of 12 lawyers and may retain more in future. Many in our community are now in legal profession in USA and UK. No doubt the laws of India may be different but basic fundamentals may be the same.
9. May be some one can explain how the legal system works in India? Can prosecutor make deal with one of the accused who will cooperate with the prosecutor and cooperate with him to expose the truth and in return he gets leniency in punishment?

10. Educating USA members about Indian legal and court system may be helpful?

11. We may want to make email and full address directory of all related parties who may be involved in this case so there can be transparency in our communication.

12. Last but not the least it is believed that how we all perform will greatly influence the future of our children in this country and Hindu religion per se? It may be taken as CULT by those who has no idea of various religions. I was in Florida when 9/11 happened. Wife of the president of one of the top 100 fortune one hundred company made a comment that she is sorry to hear that our guys did this? Most respectfully I suggested to her that her information is not correct. We are Hindu. She said that she did no know that we are different from Muslim? She though all mid easterners and asians are alike except chinese. Mind you she has Ph,D. from state of Michigan. Many who are so blessed that they do not have to know how the other world lives or who they are? It is not their fault. That is why we all came here to advance our selves.

Let us keep up the noble work. It may take some time, but God will be with us as it is path of Truth.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Curious Soul on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:14am

I am one of those in USA who attends Swadhayay on every Sunday. I have not been there for last month and a half as I have been travelling on business. I stumped on the websire www.swadhayayee.org and from there I got the link to this website.
I would say a few things...
1. It is really sad that a person was murdered. There is no excuse for this horrible time. But many of the intelligent people who are reading this answer me one question.. Can you blame the leader of the family for something that a family member did? If in fact any leader of the family was involved or was aware of the horrible act of killing a human being then he/she must be brought to justice.
2. It is not anyone's business what the familly does. If you or I do not agree with their scheme and rules then we can always walk away. No one is forcing me to to go listen to Resp. Dada's pravachans. I go there on my own.
3. No one has ever yet asked me for a penny. No one has ever asked me for any Bhav Samarpan or donation or volunteer contribution.
4. Like any other activities, there may be some bad and rough people but that does not mean all the Swadhyayis are bad. if we do that then I guess we have to say all Swaminarayan Sadhus are bad and are involved in sex scandles. BUT you and I both know that it is not true. There are lot more good Swaminarayan Sadhus then bad sadhus and same way there are lot more true devotees of God then not.. So let us focus on what is good and not on what is bad.
5. I agree some "BIG SHOT" or leader of the Swadhayay Pariwar must comeforth and say what is the truth. They must disclose all the assets and all the pertaining information. If Didi is true follower of our beloved Dada then she should not hide herself behind this smoke screen or be in silence mode. She must denounce the barbaric act of murder and shoud disassociate herself and the Swadhayay Pariwas from the act. She also must speak to media and to the police and other agencies who are investigating the murder. She must provide all the help and support needed to help the judicial system to catch the culprits.
6. She can "resign" from her post as the Head of the Pariwar and follow what Resp. Dada had in mind in 1980's.. which is to have the constitution to rule the pariwar..
7. Are any "Motabhais" reading this? Does anyone have any answers to any thing asked here?
8. I do not care about the personal life of Didi or about money, I go to listen to Resp. Dada and his phylosophy.His some examples are so great that It sinks in my brain right away. I go there so my kids can learn Indian Culture. I go there because they have not asked for any donations yet. I can surely say that the involvement in swadhayay has helped my family and me. but then again I could have gone to Swaminarayan or to Pushti Marg or to the ISKON and I might have faced the same results... that I learn new thing about my culture and even my kids know a bit about India and our culture,...
Jai Shree Krishna....
Thank you curious soul,

1. Can we blame the head of family for the actions of few?
On surface answer is no. In a large parivar of millions there is no way we can blame the head for wrong doings of few.
However, Pankajbhai's case was different. He was challanging the head of the organization - Didi knew of all the phony cases against him by top workers. Bharat Bhatt was Didi's right hand man in Gujarat; Ghanshyam Chudasama was the body guard and driver for Didi during her visit to Gujarat. The violence against people asking question is going on for more than six years. In every case the victim were those who were questioning financial mismanagement. High Court ruled that Swadhyay was wrong in abusing justice system by filing identical cases at different locations. Didi if she wished could have publicly asked followers to ignore the dissenters. But she said " we should be prepared to lose our blood for swadhyay." Read all the posts and you will see a pattern.
2. Not anyone's business what family does:
Well it is everyones business when Mafia style murder is committed and police officer is involved, politicians are intimidated. Gundaraj is bad for the health of society be it from Doud Ibrahim or Big D.
3. Not all Swadhyayee are bad:
You are absolutely right. Swadhyayee are good people who have been lead to trust and believe by charismatic Dada. So was Jim Jones and David Koresh. Any time the liberty to think individually, speak your mind, discuss your concerns are blocked you got a situation which should be everyone's business.
When you collect 2.5 Million dollars for Earthquake and can not give address of even ten houses that you built - that is everyone's business.
4. Didi should resign:
I agree either she steps up to the plate and show leadership quality under adverse circumstances or if she loves DADA hand over the leadeship to many other capable well meaning Swadhyayees. DADA had drafted a constitution to that effect anyways. Question is .. if the titanic is sinking would she take the corrective action to rescue it or because of her personal need let it go down?
5. I agree with you to me what love letters she may have wrote had no relevance to me. Even her personal life style - expensive taste etc are no concern of any of us - except she has no source of income, trust are paying the rent on the apartment she owns, workers at her house, utilities and shopping. The question does arise if this is the proper use of donors money?
6. My advise to you will be "Please continue going regularly. If your kids are learning our culture and religion take them too. We need more swadhyayees who are willing to talk and listen.
7. Jay Shree Krishna - as we stand in Kurukshetra give us wisdom to see Dharma from Adharma and help us be on the side of Dharma just as you were in Mahabharat!- Vijay Mehta


Yogeshwar bhagwaan speaks for the 1st time
Post by Krishna Yogeshwar on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:21am

oh swadhyayee,

the war is being fought between good and evil, you all already know who is good and who is evil. why are cops going towards mumbai? there is nothing you are going to find. My creator and copyright holders are innocent people just trying to fool those who were in search of me. So, if you want to get me, its through them only just be their blind followers and dont listen to what news media says, They are bunch of liars. They were good when they were writting good about my creators.

so please dont listen to anyone, close your eyes and think about me... do you see big fat body? she is the one responsible for everything, go and catch her if you have guts.

jay yogeshwar
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:45am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:14am, Guest-Curious Soul wrote:
I am one of those in USA who attends Swadhayay on every Sunday. I have not been there for last month and a half as I have been travelling on business. I stumped on the websire www.swadhayayee.org and from there I got the link to this website.
I would say a few things...
1. It is really sad that a person was murdered. There is no excuse for this horrible time. But many of the intelligent people who are reading this answer me one question.. Can you blame the leader of the family for something that a family member did? If in fact any leader of the family was involved or was aware of the horrible act of killing a human being then he/she must be brought to justice.
2. It is not anyone's business what the familly does. If you or I do not agree with their scheme and rules then we can always walk away. No one is forcing me to to go listen to Resp. Dada's pravachans. I go there on my own.
3. No one has ever yet asked me for a penny. No one has ever asked me for any Bhav Samarpan or donation or volunteer contribution.
4. Like any other activities, there may be some bad and rough people but that does not mean all the Swadhyayis are bad. if we do that then I guess we have to say all Swaminarayan Sadhus are bad and are involved in sex scandles. BUT you and I both know that it is not true. There are lot more good Swaminarayan Sadhus then bad sadhus and same way there are lot more true devotees of God then not.. So let us focus on what is good and not on what is bad.
5. I agree some "BIG SHOT" or leader of the Swadhayay Pariwar must comeforth and say what is the truth. They must disclose all the assets and all the pertaining information. If Didi is true follower of our beloved Dada then she should not hide herself behind this smoke screen or be in silence mode. She must denounce the barbaric act of murder and shoud disassociate herself and the Swadhayay Pariwas from the act. She also must speak to media and to the police and other agencies who are investigating the murder. She must provide all the help and support needed to help the judicial system to catch the culprits.
6. She can "resign" from her post as the Head of the Pariwar and follow what Resp. Dada had in mind in 1980's.. which is to have the constitution to rule the pariwar..
7. Are any "Motabhais" reading this? Does anyone have any answers to any thing asked here?
8. I do not care about the personal life of Didi or about money, I go to listen to Resp. Dada and his phylosophy.His some examples are so great that It sinks in my brain right away. I go there so my kids can learn Indian Culture. I go there because they have not asked for any donations yet. I can surely say that the involvement in swadhayay has helped my family and me. but then again I could have gone to Swaminarayan or to Pushti Marg or to the ISKON and I might have faced the same results... that I learn new thing about my culture and even my kids know a bit about India and our culture,...
Jai Shree Krishna....


Dear Motabhai,

you seem to be talking logic here we are not against swadhyayi or swadhyay movement. We are only against those who are brainwashing innocent people like Bharat bhatt and others who are involved in killing of Pankaj bhai. Why would Bharat bhai or Chudasama bhai kill Pankaj bhai?? what were they going to gain or loose if he lives or dies..... was there someone behind scene who provoked few so called true belivers to file 100's of false cases in 15-20 different courts against Pankaj bhai. who was he or she?? when lost in court, ultimately made a plan to get rid of him.

Thanks GOD they got caught, or the true story Pankaj bhai wanted to expose would always be burried with his death.

Just think for a second, what if Pankajbhai was your Brother, Father, Uncle or any way related to you. Even if not related isnt we being human our duty to let the world know the truth?

Think from your heart and reply

Jay shree Krishna

-Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com


NOTE : Swadhyay is not Family, its a movement and in movement Leaders are always responsible. Why is India government always looking for Dawood Ibrahim, does he himself commit any crime? NO, its always his henchman, the same could be said about Osama Bin Ladin.
Hi Ravi,

I did not think that was written by Motabhai. I think he may be one of the casual visitor to Swadhyay. And I can see how from his point of view it looks ok. He has not gone for Bhav feri or donated large amount yet. May be we need for more people like him to go to Swadhyay to tip the balance of Tamasho Ma Jyotirgamayah!
- Vijay Mehta

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by samir solanki on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:51am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:45am, Guest-Ravi Patel wrote:
Dear Motabhai,

you seem to be talking logic here we are not against swadhyayi or swadhyay movement. We are only against those who are brainwashing innocent people like Bharat bhatt and others who are involved in killing of Pankaj bhai. Why would Bharat bhai or Chudasama bhai kill Pankaj bhai?? what were they going to gain or loose if he lives or dies..... was there someone behind scene who provoked few so called true belivers to file 100's of false cases in 15-20 different courts against Pankaj bhai. who was he or she?? when lost in court, ultimately made a plan to get rid of him.

Thanks GOD they got caught, or the true story Pankaj bhai wanted to expose would always be burried with his death.

Just think for a second, what if Pankajbhai was your Brother, Father, Uncle or any way related to you. Even if not related isnt we being human our duty to let the world know the truth?

Think from your heart and reply

Jay shree Krishna

-Ravi Patel

ravi_patel_usa@yahoo.com


NOTE : Swadhyay is not Family, its a movement and in movement Leaders are always responsible. Why is India government always looking for Dawood Ibrahim, does he himself commit any crime? NO, its always his henchman, the same could be said about Osama Bin Ladin.


Osama Bin Ladin is the best example, he is always brainwashing guys in name of religion. why doent he himself go and blow himself up if he loves Allah so much. Same is said for DIDI too? why did you provoked Bharat bhai, Chudasama bhai and others to kill Pankaj bhai? you should be in jail not them.

gujarat police go and catch that jadi

samir
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by navin shah on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:56am

on Jul 14th, 2006, 11:14am, Guest-Curious Soul wrote:
I am one of those in USA who attends Swadhayay on every Sunday. I have not been there for last month and a half as I have been travelling on business. I stumped on the websire www.swadhayayee.org and from there I got the link to this website.
I would say a few things...
1. It is really sad that a person was murdered. There is no excuse for this horrible time. But many of the intelligent people who are reading this answer me one question.. Can you blame the leader of the family for something that a family member did? If in fact any leader of the family was involved or was aware of the horrible act of killing a human being then he/she must be brought to justice.
2. It is not anyone's business what the familly does. If you or I do not agree with their scheme and rules then we can always walk away. No one is forcing me to to go listen to Resp. Dada's pravachans. I go there on my own.
3. No one has ever yet asked me for a penny. No one has ever asked me for any Bhav Samarpan or donation or volunteer contribution.
4. Like any other activities, there may be some bad and rough people but that does not mean all the Swadhyayis are bad. if we do that then I guess we have to say all Swaminarayan Sadhus are bad and are involved in sex scandles. BUT you and I both know that it is not true. There are lot more good Swaminarayan Sadhus then bad sadhus and same way there are lot more true devotees of God then not.. So let us focus on what is good and not on what is bad.
5. I agree some "BIG SHOT" or leader of the Swadhayay Pariwar must comeforth and say what is the truth. They must disclose all the assets and all the pertaining information. If Didi is true follower of our beloved Dada then she should not hide herself behind this smoke screen or be in silence mode. She must denounce the barbaric act of murder and shoud disassociate herself and the Swadhayay Pariwas from the act. She also must speak to media and to the police and other agencies who are investigating the murder. She must provide all the help and support needed to help the judicial system to catch the culprits.
6. She can "resign" from her post as the Head of the Pariwar and follow what Resp. Dada had in mind in 1980's.. which is to have the constitution to rule the pariwar..
7. Are any "Motabhais" reading this? Does anyone have any answers to any thing asked here?
8. I do not care about the personal life of Didi or about money, I go to listen to Resp. Dada and his phylosophy.His some examples are so great that It sinks in my brain right away. I go there so my kids can learn Indian Culture. I go there because they have not asked for any donations yet. I can surely say that the involvement in swadhayay has helped my family and me. but then again I could have gone to Swaminarayan or to Pushti Marg or to the ISKON and I might have faced the same results... that I learn new thing about my culture and even my kids know a bit about India and our culture,...
Jai Shree Krishna....


Can you blame the leader of the family for something that a family member did?

which leader you are talking about? If its Jayshree the fat bitch, she just claimed in and interview that she is not a leader of your family..... do you still trust her??

she is the biggest joke in hinduism, trying to make peace loving hindus into a barbarians.

Navin shah
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Reply to Ravi from Curious on Jul 14th, 2006, 12:17pm

Well. I understand whatyou mean. I would be crushed if Pankajbhai was my father, brother or son or relative. I am saying that we must punish the culprits. Was Didi aware of the plot? Was any of the MOTABHAI in Gujarat or Maharastra or in the whole world was aware of this plot? If Didi was not aware and the plan was formed and executed by some local fanatic person then you can not blame the leadersfor the actions of such fanatic stupid brainless person. But on the other hand if any "HIGHER UP" in the Swadhayaya was aware of this plot then he/she is also a criminal and must be brought to justice.
I do not think it is right to call any one by any other name. There is no place for a foul language in this one or any forum. We all are human and we must learn to respect other human beings and their thoughts. If we can not do that then there is no difference between us and the murderers of Pankajbhai...
Let us stop the name calling...
If the people who are opposing resp. Dada are true in their claims then we must say one thing about him and the people who surronded him.. We must say that they were able to fool many intelectuals for a long period of time. He has some magic or charisma that people believed him.. Atleast give him credit for that.
I am not sure about you all. But I have been to Swaminaray Temples, ISKON and Chaitanya Mission as well along with attending Swadhayay Activities and I have found a more frendier atmosphere and more family oriented atmosphere at Swadhayay functions.
My kids actually did understood meaning of slokas and meaning of different rituals and there was no demand for any money at any of the swadhyay functions. There was complusory/mendatory fees for kids to attend Bal VIhar at Chinmaya Mission. At Swaminarayan Temple and at ISKON Temple they always asked for donations.
It is True Experience. I am not defending or opposing anything but just stating the facts.


Please see post # 879 response.
If you read lot of information posted here you will see that this is not a randome violence out of emotion. This was a well planned murder meant to intimidate all the dissenters. Unfortunately, this backfired and the media and people's outrage was not anticipated.
You are what we call on a visitor visa when you go to Swadhyay. That is why their job is to impress you with all the good things that go on for free. Once you get to be Bhav Feri etc you will see that you become the part of this empire and situation changes. Frankly knowing how you are able to think and express your views individually would most likely disqualify you from going higher up.
I agree with you, we need to remain civil, open minded, no name calling, Dada was a very charismatic and creative energy what he did is not done by anyone I know of in terms of different programs and how he was able to motivate and inspire millions. Only regret I have is he could not let go of Moh and Maya or else who could have changed our society. - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Ravi Patel on Jul 14th, 2006, 12:43pm

on Jul 14th, 2006, 12:17pm, Guest-Reply to Ravi from Curious wrote:
Well. I understand whatyou mean. I would be crushed if Pankajbhai was my father, brother or son or relative. I am saying that we must punish the culprits. Was Didi aware of the plot? Was any of the MOTABHAI in Gujarat or Maharastra or in the whole world was aware of this plot? If Didi was not aware and the plan was formed and executed by some local fanatic person then you can not blame the leadersfor the actions of such fanatic stupid brainless person. But on the other hand if any "HIGHER UP" in the Swadhayaya was aware of this plot then he/she is also a criminal and must be brought to justice.
I do not think it is right to call any one by any other name. There is no place for a foul language in this one or any forum. We all are human and we must learn to respect other human beings and their thoughts. If we can not do that then there is no difference between us and the murderers of Pankajbhai...
Let us stop the name calling...
If the people who are opposing resp. Dada are true in their claims then we must say one thing about him and the people who surronded him.. We must say that they were able to fool many intelectuals for a long period of time. He has some magic or charisma that people believed him.. Atleast give him credit for that.
I am not sure about you all. But I have been to Swaminaray Temples, ISKON and Chaitanya Mission as well along with attending Swadhayay Activities and I have found a more frendier atmosphere and more family oriented atmosphere at Swadhayay functions.
My kids actually did understood meaning of slokas and meaning of different rituals and there was no demand for any money at any of the swadhyay functions. There was complusory/mendatory fees for kids to attend Bal VIhar at Chinmaya Mission. At Swaminarayan Temple and at ISKON Temple they always asked for donations.
It is True Experience. I am not defending or opposing anything but just stating the facts.


Dear sir,

I dont even care who takes money and who does not. Dont we all need money? some people make it easy way and some hard.

swaminarayan's ask for donation and swadhyayi's do Prayog ...... I hope you know what that is? you can read this forum and you will know how swadhyay leaders made their money. I guess its better to ask then to steal. But leave that all a side.

it isnt worth talking .... aavjo am done for the day.

jay shree krishna

- Ravi Patel

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http://www.youtube.com/user/swadhyay

please watch my video and my views are there. sorry if I hurt your feelings in anyway.
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Post by M Makwana on Jul 14th, 2006, 12:58pm

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Re: who killed Pankaj Trivedi
Post by Umesh Talati on Jul 14th, 2006, 12:58pm

What is the deal with people calling Jayshree "didi"? Does she deserve our respect as a didi? I doubt that. ATo me it will always be Jayshree irrespective of Pankaj Trivedi's murder.
I want to know what has she done for the Pariwar or humanity that she deserves this respect? Just because a few thousand people want to address her as "didi" why should the rest of the world do that? So please it is Jayshree, and if you are a Gujju you can add ben.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Pankaj Bhatt on Jul 14th, 2006, 1:30pm

Swaminarayan Sampraday asks donation to built temples, schools and hospitals ...also they built houses for the earthquake victims.....you can see lots of Swaminarayan Temples,schools, gurukuls and hospitals..whereas Swadhyay people collects donation using verious Prayogs but never uses those money for any good purpose. Swadhayay Pariwar is putting their money in Banks and mutual funds to collect interest on it. Is that a good use of people's donationhuh Swadhyay pariwar collected money and only DIDI and her husband decides where to use those money. Swadhayay Priwar collected money to help earthquake victims but they are using those money for fat DIDI's luxurious life.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyam on Jul 14th, 2006, 1:40pm

Reply #885 on: Today at 12:56pm »


This is in response which is in italic type and underlined to above letter.
on Today at 12:14pm, Guest-Curious Soul wrote:
I am one of those in USA who attends Swadhayay on every Sunday. I have not been there for last month and a half as I have been travelling on business. I stumped on the websire www.swadhayayee.org and from there I got the link to this website.
Thanks for your comments.
I would say a few things...
1. It is really sad that a person was murdered. There is no excuse for this horrible time. But many of the intelligent people who are reading this answer me one question.. Can you blame the leader of the family for something that a family member did? If in fact any leader of the family was involved or was aware of the horrible act of killing a human being then he/she must be brought to justice.

You are absolutely correct that no one should be blamed for error of family member. But time will tell that truth may turn out different. Question for you? Why is Mrs. Talvalkar hiding away from People and Police if she is not involved? Guilt by association?
2. It is not anyone's business what the familly does. If you or I do not agree with their scheme and rules then we can always walk away. No one is forcing me to to go listen to Resp. Dada's pravachans. I go there on my own. Sir you are wrong. In such institution it does become every ones business when you are using money of others?
3. No one has ever yet asked me for a penny. No one has ever asked me for any Bhav Samarpan or donation or volunteer contribution.
Sir that is marketing technique. I am sure you are familiar with free gifts to attract clients and than fool them. Simple question for you? Are not they obligated for full true accounting and transparency? How do you justify all mismanagement and exploitation of public money? Are you of the opinion that you steel things and than say I do not know my right hand did it? Please use your common sense?

4. Like any other activities, there may be some bad and rough people but that does not mean all the Swadhyayis are bad. if we do that then I guess we have to say all Swaminarayan Sadhus are bad and are involved in sex scandles. BUT you and I both know that it is not true. There are lot more good Swaminarayan Sadhus then bad sadhus and same way there are lot more true devotees of God then not.. So let us focus on what is good and not on what is bad.
Again to my knowledge this is the first scandal of this proportion, I have ever come across in name of Hindu religion. May be biography of Bharat Bhatt from his birth to date may educate you about Dada and his associates and his crooked operating style in name of religion.


5. I agree some "BIG SHOT" or leader of the Swadhayay Pariwar must comeforth and say what is the truth. They must disclose all the assets and all the pertaining information. If Didi is true follower of our beloved Dada then she should not hide herself behind this smoke screen or be in silence mode. She must denounce the barbaric act of murder and shoud disassociate herself and the Swadhayay Pariwas from the act. She also must speak to media and to the police and other agencies who are investigating the murder. She must provide all the help and support needed to help the judicial system to catch the culprits. Thanks for your appropriate comments. Fact is, that has not happened almost after 30 days, except per telephone conversation from Didi (UK) to Bharat on night of June 15, 2006 she confirmed the murder of Pankaj Trivedi per Bharat Bhatt. Also you may be interested to know that it has been alleged that Mr. Ghanshyam Chudasama telephoned Didi in UK and informed her of murder of Pankaj Trivedi.

I am sure that in UK if some one is accused of wrong doing first they do is resign from their post and than let law take it course. Instead Didi and her top associates went into Vandvas and hiding from public.
I do not recall seeing it any medium that there was any sorrow expressed or message of condolences sent to the family of Pankaj Trivedi by any swadhyayee leaders?
Mind you Pankaj Trivedi was swadhyayee for 25 years. Sir please search your own conscience?

6. She can "resign" from her post as the Head of the Pariwar and follow what Resp. Dada had in mind in 1980's.. which is to have the constitution to rule the pariwar.. Sir fact counts and you know now what are the facts and allegations? Wishful and misguided thinking do not count or matter.
7. Are any "Motabhais" reading this? Does anyone have any answers to any thing asked here?

None to my knowledge?

8. I do not care about the personal life of Didi or about money, I go to listen to Resp. Dada and his phylosophy.His some examples are so great that It sinks in my brain right away. I go there so my kids can learn Indian Culture. I go there because they have not asked for any donations yet. I can surely say that the involvement in swadhayay has helped my family and me. but then again I could have gone to Swaminarayan or to Pushti Marg or to the ISKON and I might have faced the same results... that I learn new thing about my culture and even my kids know a bit about India and our culture,...
Sir you have right to do as you please. Most respectfully I may defer with you if our children should be taught this culture of greed, murder and corruption? That is not our culture and I am sure you know it. God bless you and your family. Jai Shree Krishna


Jai Shree Krishna....



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Satyajit Bandhu on Jul 14th, 2006, 1:41pm

Increase in Swadhyay does not mean god is accepting DIDI. KAURAV SENA "KAURAVA'S ARMY" was bigger than PANDAVA's ARMY in MAHABHARATA...but it does not mean that KAURAVA was on right side.

THERE were several devils who were powerful..almost equal to GOD's power. But they can not be called GOD or take GOD's space even though there are more followers of those Devils than the followers of GOD.

All Swadhyayees are brain washed ...they can not see the truth. They are just blindly following like sheeps and goats.... you can see BHARAT BHATT is involved in PANKAJ Trivedi's murder case...but still there are some sheeps and goats in Swadhyay, who are blindly thinking Bharat Bhatt and DIDI as a good person..
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by satyam on Jul 14th, 2006, 1:45pm

This is in response which is in italic type and underlined to above letter.
on Today at 12:14pm, Guest-Curious Soul wrote:
1.Thanks for your comments.
.

2.You are absolutely correct that no one should be blamed for error of family member. But time will tell that truth may turn out different. Question for you? Why is Mrs. Talvalkar hiding away from People and Police if she is not involved? Guilt by association?
3 Sir you are wrong. In such institution it does become every ones business when you are using money of others?

4. Sir that is marketing technique. I am sure you are familiar with free gifts to attract clients and than fool them. Simple question for you? Are not they obligated for full true accounting and transparency? How do you justify all mismanagement and exploitation of public money? Are you of the opinion that you steel things and than say I do not know my right hand did it? Please use your common sense?

Again to my knowledge this is the first scandal of this proportion, I have ever come across in name of Hindu religion. May be biography of Bharat Bhatt from his birth to date may educate you about Dada and his associates and his crooked operating style in name of religion.


5 Thanks for your appropriate comments. Fact is, that has not happened almost after 30 days, except per telephone conversation from Didi (UK) to Bharat on night of June 15, 2006 she confirmed the murder of Pankaj Trivedi per Bharat Bhatt. Also you may be interested to know that it has been alleged that Mr. Ghanshyam Chudasama telephoned Didi in UK and informed her of murder of Pankaj Trivedi.

I am sure that in UK if some one is accused of wrong doing first they do is resign from their post and than let law take it course. Instead Didi and her top associates went into Vandvas and hiding from public.

I do not recall seeing it any medium that there was any sorrow expressed or message of condolences sent to the family of Pankaj Trivedi by any swadhyayee leaders?
Mind you Pankaj Trivedi was swadhyayee for 25 years. Sir please search your own conscience?

6. Sir fact counts and you know now what are the facts and allegations? Wishful and misguided thinking do not count or matter.

7. None to my knowledge?

8. Sir you have right to do as you please. Most respectfully I may defer with you if our children should be taught this culture of greed, murder and corruption? That is not our culture and I am sure you know it. God bless you and your family. Jai Shree Krishna







Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by A confused Swadhyayi ACES on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:02pm

61 pages of posts is quite difficult to read through.

But it felt good to know that I am not the only one pained. A day or two after the murder I did do a lot of independent study on the web. Found something very distrubing. Mis-facts being published by the parivar dates even as back as 1957.

Plagarism (copy-cat) is definitely a hallmark of Swadhyay pravachans. You can see copies of pravachan / books just picked from older authors.

The bhav-pheri and bhakti-pheri prayogs have been "revived" by swadhyay but had originally been introduced in the exact same form by Vallabhacharya. No credit goes to him.

For guru purnima (Vyasa's b'day) we spend 2 mins talking about Vyas and 30 mins about Dadaji.

Swadhhay for a long time has been giving a very articulate and premeditated message thro' the krutisheels. In fact after reading the posts on Swadhayee.org, I felt like I was really sucked into a well-orchestrated act.

But the big questions is:

1) Only the top management may be concieted. Who knows. That truth may never be open very soon.

2) The grass-root swadhyayis are so selfless and motivated. You see Geeta in action in them.

3) Dadaji's pravachans and prayogs do make you think? That is if you allow your mind to rebel and think?

4) It does create a vision of the bigger existance?

5) It does attempt to attack the typical cynicism we all develop through just "living". The problem is that the constant brainwashing and orchestrated emotionally driven events can stop your brain to work.

So while rational religion can definitely be seen in Swadhyay, if not alert, the same rationality can be erased via brainwashing.

Organized religion time and again has demonstrated to be like a river. You go to Gangotri and Varanasi, you won't believe it is the same Ganga.

What I believe is that Mr. Trivedi was definitely trying to expose some truth. But was it for some bigger vested interest?

Among all such unanswered questions, unclear agendas and confusion: I ask---

Budhi or Shradha (Intelligence or Devotion?)

How does one create the balance?

If I question too much, I will never believe anything to be a part of it and experience.

If I don't question, I may be sucked into a belief system which is miles from the truth and driven by vested interests.

How much is too much?

- Aces
Thank you Aces.

I am thinking of making new forum from selected ones from this one so a new comer can get relevant information. Everyone would please email me the message number you think are most relevant - may be we shall choose less than 10 percent. This are the ones if you read you can get up the speed. Email to me at
vijayvip@aol.com title your email - relevant postings, Thank you - Vijay Mehta


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Extracts DAYUK on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:10pm

Financial Year Start Financial Year End Gross Income Total Expenditure
01 Jun 1998 31 May 1999 £263,682 £54,826
01 Jun 1999 31 May 2000 £349,267 £48,635
01 Jun 2000 31 May 2001 £310,097 £66,342
01 Jun 2001 31 May 2002 £330,481 £89,153
01 Jun 2002 31 May 2003 £261,305 £148,818
01 Jun 2003 31 May 2004 £275,668 £111,427
01 Jun 2004 31 May 2005 £286,375 £45,355

Trustees List Of Trustees

You can see that as of 31 May 2005, UK-DYA has the £286,375.00 in their account -

By the way on what did they spend £45,535??

Quite a good amount!

Can someone pass this info to Indian Newspapers including India Today?



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by For UK DAY Accounts on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:15pm


Click & visit below the site to see the accounts for yourself.

This link can be passed over to the Indian press for them to prin tthese details -


http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showcharity.asp?regno=280019&submit=Run+Search

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by exJuJo on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:15pm

One of old swadhyayee who was key person in editing Dada's books and used to be one of the guy communicating to media after big swadhyay program told me this story.

This is about 13 years ago. He and other few swadhyayees were requested by Dada to prepare bal sanskar kendra material for a project. After working on this project for 6 months they visited Dada to show their work. Dada was very pleased to see their work. Didi was there too. When these guys left Dada, Didi came behind them and told them on their face "Forget it, this project will not be executed, give me all the papers.". These guys were stunned. They said that Dada just sanctioned it. Didi told them, "We do not have to do all the things Dada says!"

That was the day they found out that Didi is overriding Dada. 13 years ago!!!

Didi also intervened in writting Amnay. And killed it.



Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by exJuJo on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:19pm

Swadhyayees are often repetatively told that - if you can not do good for swadhyaya is ok, but never do anything that would harm this great cultural work, it is god's work. Almost all the swadhyayee krutisheels are brainwashed by this instruction.

This is the main reason why old swadhyayees that are now confused are not able to speak up.
Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by exJuJo on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:27pm

One of the USA krutisheel swadhyayee asked questions in the core meeting which was organized for clarifying misunderstandings(?) in swadhyay in 2001. Almost all the khotabhai's were very angry with him. After that he was under constant watch. He was ex-communicated. He went to Canada for sight seeing. He knew one swadhyay family very intimately in Canada. They called him to stay with them for few days. A few days before his visit, host swadhyayee got phone call from Canada's top khotabhai that, "do not allow him in you house! He is ex-swadhyayee!". How did khotabhai in Canada found about this ex-swadhyayee's movements? It is said that Didi has placed hundreds of spys all over the places.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by exJuJo on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:32pm

This story was told by one of the tatvagyan vidyapeeth (tvp) ex-student.

When Didi came to USA, He attended one of the meeting. There were few other tvp ex-students. They meet each other. One of the tvp ex-student took him in the corner and told him that it is the time that we need to repay for what we got in tvp. Didi is creating a army of trusted tvp youngesters who can do spying. I am alerady recuited. I will recruit you also!


Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by exJuJo on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:37pm

I heard from a ex-motabhai that it the Tai (Dada's wife) who insisted on giving power to Didi. On that matter Dada, Didi and Tai has war like discussion in tatvagyan vidyapeeth. They 3 were in temple (which is above the ground) and discussion was so loud, because of their angry mood, that all the people standing below could here it.

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Raju Guide on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:44pm


This is very true. On top of her appointed 'spies', each and every socalled krutishil of a typicle kendra is ever ready to spy on you as every such 'chamcha' at local level in USA gets an approving nod from the Khotabhais and a chance to get in in the inner circle. In such inner circles all members behave like, so to speak - 'ek bijana mohnman thunke chhe'. This is easy for the new and rich krutishils. They are brought to the forefront very quickly. Later on, they make big 'bhav samarpan' also.

I know of one such krutishil. Because of his money, he is made a kotabhai of a brand new kendra in less than 3 years.

Raju

Re: Krantikari Pankajbhai pays ultimate price
Post by Mukesh on Jul 14th, 2006, 3:47pm

This is reproduction of message on yahoo public group on Nov. 2, 2002.

May be Dr. Amit Barot can answer if Dada was given right treatment.

Was DADA Senile in last years of his life?


Yes, it is true that time & again these big questions comes to our mind that 'what has happened to Dada?' 'How he has become like this?' 'How he is so senile and what could have caued this sudden
deterioration of his health?' 'Why was he not treated rightly at right times?' Otherwise, how such an highly intelligent individual can lose his memory who use to remember almost anything he read or could call anyone by name whom he has talked to even once many years
ago? We all were in awe of Dada's great memory and the way he takes us on our internal spiritual journeys through his pravachanas. Today as we hear him in in his pravachanas we see that this is not the same
Dada. He has poor physical control, he is very inconsistent and several other unusual symptoms are intriguing.

Therefore, what is thought by Mr.ab_notso_cd is logical and credible. The stark contradiction in Dada of good old days of swadhyay and Dada as he is since last few years is very puzzling to all. We are shocked to see 'how Dada can do this?', 'how he can support all evil
that didi has perpetuated on this divine activity?'

What has caused this degeneration of Dada's health, physically, mentally & intellectually? It is true that Dada has diabetes and heart problems but how can he lose his balance and an acute sense of discrimination (vivek)?

It can be safely said that this must be the part of Didi's grand conspiracy plan to takeover all the power, wealth, name & fame of swadhyay. This can happen only if she succeeds in getting Dada's support to whatever she does. She went about achieving this by
making Dada's presence merely 'physical' and killing the real Dada and his spirit. This can be said as long term, persistent clinical abuse of Dada by didi. What we see of Dada today is the result of this years of clinical abuse unleashed on him by didi.

We all thought that Dada is getting the best treatment for his physical problems. However, the fact is, it was always puzzling to see why Dada is always rushed to US for one or other treatment wherein the best facilities and Doctors are available in mumbai. No one, not even the motabhais who were close to Dada knew the medicines bening given to dada. Every decision regarding the course of Dada's treatment was taken by didi and didi alone. At pathashala, People
always used to wonder why Dada looks more sick whenever he returns from US after a paticular course of treatment. At times, even Dada's personal Doctor was refused the medicines that were being given to
Dada under the guise of treating one or other disease. It is very convenient for her to